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I know, I know...another one of those either/or threads that keep popping up lately.

Here's the rub: Accepted to VCU. To complicate things, though, I am on the "High priority" (their words, not mine)wait list at Jefferson. Although, I'm not accepted there yet, I keep wondering, "What if?"

I live in Delaware, and Jefferson is considered our state medical school, which means I would receive a modest amount of tuition assistance if I went there, knocking my tuition down to ~$30,000/year. As an OOS at VCU I will be paying ~$37,500/year. (Actually, does anyone know if I would be eligible for in-state tuition after a year of my family living in Virginia??? I somehow doubt it, but that would be great info to have)

I am also married, so if I go to Jefferson, then my wife wouldn't have to leave her job, which pays comfortably, and my daughter would still be near the grandparents. If we move to Richmond, then my wife has to do the job search thing, and there will be no family support such as baby sitting. I guess that VCU represents a lot more uncertainty for my family situation than Jefferson does, but then again, I haven't been accepted by Jefferson and don't really know if I will be.

I really loved both schools. I think either one would be a wonderful choice. I guess my question is, what would you do? I need some help generating a pro and con list for Jefferson and VCU. I would love to hear different viewpoints on the schools, as well as viewpoints on Richmond vs. Philadelphia as a place to live.
 
If you get into Jefferson, all signs point there.

If not, you have no dilemma.

-Gut Shot, VCU (ahem, MCV) class of '05
 
You know.....I'm so tired of SDN moderators deciding to move threads to so-called more appropriate categories. As if I didn't consider whether to post my thread in the pre-allo before creating it.

If I want an opinion on one school vs. another, it seems more "appropriate" to me that you get this opinion from people who are already students at these schools. Thus, I placed my thread in the allopathic and not pre-allo because this is what made more sense if I wanted informed information on the subject.

SDN used to be a very free forum a few years ago. Lately it reminds me of the way the Bush administration has been active in censoring the media in our country. We have all these moderators, or "gatekeepers" deciding which information needs to be out here and which doesn't, but I ask "Who are you to decide for the rest of us?"

You guys move our threads to low-traffic areas, or to areas where people will be less interested in responding. You close threads that you feel offer nothing to the forum, especially anything remotely disagreeable in tone. This is a very slippery slope. Don't have much time to say more, but I'm going to revisit this subject in a later thread because I truly feel that a public forum is not a place for gatekeepers. Especially on the internet where a higher degree of freedom of speech is to be tolerated and expected.
 

SDN used to be a very free forum a few years ago. Lately it reminds me of the way the Bush administration has been active in censoring the media in our country.
We have all these moderators, or "gatekeepers" deciding which information needs to be out here and which doesn't, but I ask "Who are you to decide for the rest of us?"


Riiiigggght... I am so glad you decided to grace us with that remark. You made an ingenious association that in no way made you sound like a *****.

Now on to your actual question, you don't even have a decision to make at this point. If you get into Jefferson, sure, go there. Otherwise you might want to start looking into living in Richmond.
 
Riiiigggght... I am so glad you decided to grace us with that remark. You made an ingenious association that in no way made you sound like a *****.

You're avatar is quite apt, Instatewaiter, since you are obviously a slow child.

Sorry if political analogies somehow pass over your head, but you might try watching the news or (dare I say) READ it now and then. Maybe then you, too, can contribute intelligently to discussions rather than making sophmoric insults. You really show your class, or lack thereof, as is evidenced by your other posts on SDN.
 
You're avatar is quite apt, Instatewaiter, since you are obviously a slow child.

Sorry if political analogies somehow pass over your head, but you might try watching the news or (dare I say) READ it now and then. Maybe then you, too, can contribute intelligently to discussions rather than making sophmoric insults. You really show your class, or lack thereof, as is evidenced by your other posts on SDN.

Ummm, bulls@it, buddy.

Instatewaiter is one of the best regulars on this forum. What other posts on SDN show his "lack of class?"
 
The allopathic forum is for allopathic students, not for students who would like opinions from allopathic students. The allopathic students who are interested in responding to these type threads check out the pre-allo forum. It doesn't really matter where you wanted the thread. What matters is where the thread belongs, and that is decidely pre-allo, as choosing a medical school is a pre-allo concern.

Edit: Case in point, I am an allopathic student and decided to investigate this thread to see if I had anything useful to add. Turns out I did, but not in the way I expected.

Edit 2: Sophomoric is missing an o in your post MedSchoolFool. If you are going to insult someone, at least have the decency to spell the insult correctly.
 
SDN used to be a very free forum a few years ago. Lately it reminds me of the way the Bush administration has been active in censoring the media in our country. We have all these moderators, or "gatekeepers" deciding which information needs to be out here and which doesn't, but I ask "Who are you to decide for the rest of us?"

How is moving a thread to a more appropriate forum anything like censorship? Pre-allo is a more appropriate place for your question because you are a pre-med student. The allo forum is for allopathic students. Plenty of allopathic students read this forum. You don't need to post in the allo forum if you are looking for opinions from allopathic students.

Oh, and my thoughts before you started ad homineming everyone: Go to Jefferson if you get in there. Cheaper bills and easier on your wife. Easy decision in my mind. Good luck.👍
 
What matters is where the thread belongs, and that is decidely pre-allo, as choosing a medical school is a pre-allo concern.

While I guess these types of threads do belong in pre-allo, I will admit that I don't think that posting these types of threads in pre-allo is very useful. Invariably, someone will post "Go to School A" without any further comment. Someone else will say, "I go to School A for undergrad and I love it here!!! There are so many fun things to do here, and the teachers are really nice - I'm sure that it will be exactly the same in the med school! And I volunteer in the hospital's ER, and the doctors all seem so friendly!!" And then someone else will chime in and say "Go to school B because I want your spot at school A!!!" And finally someone will point out the, according to USNews, School B is ranked above School A, as if USNews is the Bible of medical school admissions. This will then spark an argument on how useless USNews rankings really are, and things just go downhill from there.

Not very useful. But I suppose that this is more of a pre-allo issue, so.... (And, to be fair, I don't know how much more edifying the discussion would be over in the allo forum, either.)

OP: Being on the high-priority waitlist at Jeff is not a guarantee that you'll get in. I'm not sure how much waitlist movement there has been yet, but I get the impression from other SDNers that it's not much so far. I would spend this time getting ready to move to VCU. If Jefferson were to accept you later, it would be easy for you to suddenly change plans and attend Jeff, since you already live in the area and have job here, etc. Until then, I wouldn't waste too much time worrying about hypotheticals.
 
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While I guess these types of threads do belong in pre-allo, I will admit that I don't think that posting these types of threads in pre-allo is very useful.

I have seen these conversations play out many times. However, in allo these threads get largely ignored and serve only to clutter that forum needlessly. I remember when half the threads would be things like that, and simply it isn't the place for them. Ultimately no one is very good at choosing a school for someone else.

/End thread derail.
 
You're avatar is quite apt, Instatewaiter, since you are obviously a slow child.

Despite your rather pathetic attempt to insult me, I will field any questions you have about Richmond or VCU/MCV. I grew up in Richmond and am now technically a rising second year at MCV.


I mean seriously... that was the best you could do?
 
everyone just needs to calm down. If you are a current student at VCU or Jeff, just post your opinion. I think thats all the poster is looking for. Im a rising m2 at vcu and know nothing about Jeff so here are my thoughts about VCU:

Pros:
- class 8-12
- basic science first yr, organ systems second yr
- friendly/diverse/down to earth student body
- DR. COSTANZO!! course director for physio (teaches the renal block) and also runs our board review classes/advising for second yr (Costanzo wrote the BRS physio book and is also a reviewer for First Aid)
- courses second yr taught by MDs
- see wide variety of cases (even those most only see in textbooks) at MCV Hospital which serves very large urban area
- chance to complete 3rd/4th yr at INOVA Fairfax Hospital
- You are usually never taking more than two classes at one time (you take anatomy and neuro all by themselves). Exams are usually every two wks and you will take exams for both subjects on the same day (so you will be given a booklet with both exams and have 3-4 hrs to complete them, taking as much of the allotted time as you need on each one)
- grading is Honors=92, High Pass = 86, Pass is usually 70 and above. our averages run around 85

Cons:
- Richmond doesnt have too much of a nightlife (as for clubbing, there are about 3 spots that we regularly go to...there are plenty of bars tho)
- OOS tuition
- the teaching during first yr is mainly by phDs and quite frankly there weren't too many standout lecturers
- the lecturers can tend to stray away from material you would see in Board Review books so you might find yourself memorizing lots of trivial details that will never be of any use to you after that exam (im sure this is common of most med schools tho)
- you must have a car since your preceptor (3 hrs/ every other Wed) may be anywhere from 10 min - 1.5 hrs away.

the major selling point for me was the student body. The people here are really great. good luck with your decision.
 
Despite your rather pathetic attempt to insult me, I will field any questions you have about Richmond or VCU/MCV. I grew up in Richmond and am now technically a rising second year at MCV.


I mean seriously... that was the best you could do?


Yeah. That's the best I have. Although you may consider it ito be a fine art, I am happy to say I do not excel at casting insults. May it be on your grave stone, "No one could match his insult prowess". That's something to be proud of for sure.

Look, you are the one who started the nastiness. I expressed my thoughts on SDN moderators, and you responded by insinuating I am a "*****" without any instigation whatsoever. I am willing to read any useful advice you might share about VCU/MCV, but when you make personal attacks then don't expect any less in return.

And, yes, to whoever pointed out my spelling error, I spelled a word incorrectly. That is possibly "*****ic", but for some funny reason I don't feel diminished because of it. Imagine that.
 
37. Jefferson_____________
First Year Student Budget: $61,992 (hahahahahahahaha) Score: -1
Financial Aid/etc…: Well I can say that this school is very expensive…and thus students need a good financial aid package…several loans (both federal and private loans) are available to the medical students…most of the loans are low interest… most of the loan funds under Jefferson umbrella have random preferences attached (i.e state preferences, family organizations preferences, etc…). A number of need based and merit based scholarships offered through associated scholarship funds (once again there are many limitations attached to each fund)…and none of the scholarships are of considerable size…so pretty much you will still be struggling % of enrolled students receiving financial aid: 87%, Average Amount per Scholarship/Grant: $8,710, Average 2006 Graduate Indebtedness: $153,198 Score: 1.75
Curriculum/etc…: Slightly integrated curriculum where primarily traditional methods for presenting topics are utilized…traditional organ-based lectures for coursework in gross anatomy, cell biology and microscopic anatomy, biochemistry, genetics, neuroscience, and physiology provides first-year students with a strong basic science foundation. Practice related topics such as medical informatics, evidence-based medicine, health policy and ethics are also introduced during the first year…Specifically, curriculum for first two years is broken down into blocks: First year: Block I covers Human form and Development…basically human anatomy and related topics including imaging (MRI, CT, X-Ray, etc…). A total of eight clinical skills sessions are incorporated into this block, which serve to reinforce the concepts gleaned from lecture and dissection. These sessions are interspersed, where relevant, throughout the various regions as the course progresses….several peer-teaching and peer-review sessions during the dissection module. These sessions are covered in the “Introduction to Clinical Medicine” course. Block II: covers the Molecular and Cellular Basis of Medicine…it is during this block where PBL/case-based learning is incorporated…still also have traditional lectures. Blocks III & IV: Sytems I and Systems II: Neuroscience” respectively…Teaching is done by lecture, video demonstrations, small group digital microscopy labs, computer simulations, problem-solving sessions and EKG laboratory sessions, and small group lectures. During second year there is obviously greater focus on clinical sciences…greater focus on PBL/case-based learning…so basically the school ensures that you have a significant basic plug and chug foundation before progressing towards greater application of concepts (I like that organization)….2nd year blocks: Block I: Foundations of Pathology/Pharmacology; Immunity, Infection, and Disease; Introduction to Clinical Medicine II…as part of this clin. Med II class have an incorporation of “Standard Patient” interviews…these interviews are conducted and videotaped with feedback on interviewing skills…Block II: Foundations of Clinical Medicine, Clinical Skills, Introduction to Clinical Medicine II. Clinical Skills Course: provided a foundation for physical examination maneuvers and findings. It includes an introductory series of lectures in the followed by system-specific lectures which are integrated into the Foundation of Clinical Medicine course. Didactic sessions include the use of individual wireless stethophones for the teaching of cardiac and pulmonary sounds, and “hands-on” experiences at the Jefferson Clinical Skills Center with standardized patients and simulations. There is also a series of supervised encounters with hospitalized patients at TJUH and at local clinical affiliates. Third Year Clerkships: Internal Medicine (12 weeks), Pediatrics (6 weeks), Psychiatry and Human Behavior (6 weeks), Family Medicine (6 weeks), OB/GYN (6 weeks), General Surgery (6 weeks), Electives (cool…6 weeks); Fourth Year Clerkships: Neurology/Rehabilitation Medicine (4 weeks), Surgical Subspecialties (6 weeks), Inpatient Sub-internships (4 weeks), Outpatient Sub-internships (4 weeks), Advanced Basic Science/Scientific Foundations of Medicine (4 weeks): course that revisits the interplay btwn basic sciences and clinical medicine. Six clinical topics in different disciplines will each be reviewed for one or two days using varied educational styles. In addition, the course will feature “teaching how to teach“ with weekly interactive seminars. A weekly journal club will highlight critical reading skills with articles related to the topics being presented that week (very cool); Emergency Medicine/Advanced Clinical Skills (4 weeks), Electives (16 weeks)…awesome…many students use this time to do away rotations (national and international) or more independent research (advanced studies). Overall the curriculum is designed to model the biopyschosocial model of health and clinical skills (pretty cool). Curricular innovations: Learning Resource Center (part of AISR…Academic & Instructional Support & Resources) very modernized, high-tech center developed to enhance student learning; Specifics: Audiovisual and Computer-based instructional materials and equipment, Simulation labs (Harvey and SimMan mannequins)…allows students to experience in taking vitals, using specific measuring instruments (EKG..etc), and in performing specific medical operations/functions. There are many other simulators available for use…for e.g. Cervical dilation and effacement simulator, advanced birthing simulator, birth station simulator, episiotomy suturing simulator, IV arms/hand simulators for venipuncture, Pediatric and adult lumbar puncture simulator, Nurse training dolls/CPR dolls, Ear examination simulator, Male/female urinary catheterization models, Central line insertion simulators, etc… (niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice..but I am sure other schools with clinical skills centers have just as large a collection of simulators); Models and online videos (this school is no joke)…Grading Intervals: Required Basic Sciences: 3 intervals (Honors/Pass/Fail), Basic Science Electives: 2 intervals (Pass/Fail), Required & Elective Clinical Clerkships: 5 intervals (High Honors/Excellent/Good/Marginal Competence/Fail)…all surgical selective grading utilizes 3 intervals (Honors/Pass/Fail) Score: 15++++++++++++++++++++++
#Affiliated Hospitals/Facilities: 19 + supporting facilities Score: 9++++++++++++++++++++++
Selection Factors: Private, Rolling admissions; Technically, it functions as Delaware’s state medical school. Thus it saves a percentage of seats for Delaware residents (but not a very large percentage like Baylor saves for Texas residents). Avg. GPA: 3.5, Avg. Science GPA: 3.5, Overall Median GPA: 3.62, Science Median GPA: 3.57; Avg. MCAT: 31 (Breakdown: P: 10.3, V: 10.2, B: 10.5), Median MCAT: 31Q…Breakdown: P: 10, V: 10, B: 11…(Ranges: P: 7 – 15, V: 8 – 15, B: 8 – 15)…School says that you must have higher than an 8 in each section. 7613 total applications for 771 interview slots, strong commitment to increasing URM representation (so they say!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!), they like non-traditional students, seem to have strong link with Penn program. Ex-adcom member now an advisor here at Penn. Score: 7
Diversity: 8% URM (what a joke…same as my alma mater), 27% minority...not diverse at all!!!!!!!!! Score: 5.75
Dual Degree Options: MD/MBA-MHA (cool), MD/MPH, MD/PhD Score: 5.75
Student Support: Very prominent Office of Diversity and Minority Affairs (ODAMA)…strongest one I have seen on paper in a while…The ODAMA mission: 1. To define acceptable conduct for a “multi-cultural” Jefferson Community, 2. To strengthen existing diversity and to increase its scope, and 3. To increase communication among the various groups around campus and the community at large…this office sponsors a number of campus-wide events and community initiatives (multicultural community initiatives); sponsors minority mentoring and role modeling programs; sponsors minority alumni dinner and recognition/awards ceremony…Office functions as organizer of the “Language of Medicine Program-Language Immersion Program in Medicine…i.e. study abroad opportunity (ODAMA Med Lip)…ODAMA also has organized a lecture series: A four part lecture series will be implemented to address culturally competent care in the following areas: Minority Healthcare/Healthcare Disparities, Treating individuals with disabilities, Alternative Medicine, and Women’s Health. Over 100 different student groups…a very diverse selection….ranging from honor societies to student interest groups to just chill groups (hahahahaha). Very organized SNMA (though very small). Organized student affairs and career counseling office…houses the “Student Personal Counseling Center”…student affairs office organizes specific programs, including AOA tutoring services and the “Big Sib Program”, which is specifically introduced to students who are experiencing academic difficulty. Career guidance available through various designated mentors, career advisors, and academic advisors…they help 4th year med student structure their curriculum to parallel their interests….Wellness office (which every school has) Activities office: coordinates social, cultural, and recreational programs for the entire Jefferson community. School has one main library (Scott Library…the building on Walnut I always thought was the main medical building) with many resources….computer assisted learning labs, models, etc… Curricular support: clinical skills center (simulation labs…they are awesome), AISR, standardized patients, online network that gives students access to online resources (JEFFLINE and Pulse). Overall, it seems like this school offers its students a lot of support Score: 7
Housing: Several options for on-campus housing…the apartments are pretty nice…just kind of small…housing in center city is overpriced…there are some seriously crappy buildings in that area that they advertise as “historic” and preserved…should be advertised as overpriced and rickety…there are some off campus properties that are more reasonable…but they are not the closest to campus. Score: 4.5
Location: Philadelphia, PA…great location to gain experience working with a diverse patient population. The school is in the middle of downtown…Philly weather…comparable crime to that around Penn (maybe a little less b/c Penn borders the volatile West Philly). Philly has a lot of culture…good city to enjoy the younger years Score: 5
Class Size: 254 so approximately 33% of interviewees matriculate (means that a larger % are accepted) Score: 5++++++++++++
Residency Match List: 38% of past graduates entered primary care residency programs, the other 62% enter non-primary residency programs.
Volunteer/Research Opportunities: School takes pride in the amount of community outreach in which it (as a whole) and its students are engaged. Examples of community outreach programs sponsored by the med. school: Jeff HOPE, Jeff Kids, Jeff Y.E.S., Jeff MOMS, Jeff ABROAD (Jefferson is an active US affiliate of the International Federation of Medical Student Associations…IFMSA-USA)…gives students many opportunities for abroad service experiences (in addition to rotations), etc…There are also community specific initiatives sponsored directly by the Office of Diversity and Minority Affairs, such as the “Urban Education Program”, “Clinical /Educational Outreach Program”…the office also sponsors specific minority education/enrichment programs, such as the “Future Docs Program” (for high school students)...There are several student-run organizations that also sponsor individual community service projects around the city…Overall, the student body is very involved in the community!...Research: Many formal and informal research opportunities for students interested in exposure to clinical and/or basic science biomedical research. Formal Summer Research Programs: 3 formal 10-week federally funded research programs in translational cancer, basic cancer, and heart, lung, and blood research…stipends provided as part of the programs (in addition to funding)…students work towards creating a poster presentation for future presentation. There are also several other Jefferson supported (or Jeff affiliate supported) research programs (I must emphasize that Jeff for some reason supports a lot of diff. research programs…we will see how much NIH funding this school actually receives) including programs in emergency medicine, neurology, family medicine, and general medicine. Jeff affiliate, Albert Einstein (I don’t think they are referring to the school up in NYC…they are referring to the med center in Philly), also offers an array of research opportunities (cool)…There are also many informal long-term and short-term research opportunities. Jefferson maintains a list of extramural research opportunities and funding resources also (nice, but seriously not that great). Research facilities/centers/institutues: Jefferson is well known for its ground breaking cancer research. The school maintains the Kimmel Cancer Center (founded in 1991), which is designated as a National Cancer Institute-designated CLINICAL (not basic science) cancer center. There are other centers and institutes on campus (but not as prominent). Overall there are not as many diff. research centers/institutes…but still great place to conduct research. Total NIH funding: $71,475,488 (ranked: 54th), Total NIH funding for research: $69,524,545. Score: 10
Miscellaneous: This school is pretty awesome…I think it does not get the respect it deserves…Jefferson University Hospital is one of only a few hospitals in the United States that is both a Regional Trauma Center and a federally designated regional Spinal Cord Injury Center. Age Range: 18 to 35, Average Age: 23.7, 23% of first year class are age 25 and above…Maintains one of the 5 Offices of Health Policy in the United States….Currently the school is adding to its educational facilities…for e.g the school is adding a new clinical skills center, which will feature virtual diagnostic and surgical suites (awesome). Not a very diverse school…but I am hoping that they are truly working towards what they promote on their website…Dr. Hunter, however, does not give the school the best marks (mainly b/c of lack of diversity…..pretty good website…lots of supporting videos. Score: 3
Total Score: NO FULL SCORE ASSIGNED UNTIL ALL SCHOOLS COMPLETED…HELPS PREVENT ANY POSSIBLE INLETS FOR BIAS
 
41. Virginia Commonwealth (VCU)_____
First Year Student Budget (2007 – 2008): Non-Resident: $58,472; Resident: $44,868 Score: 1.5 (b/c of possibility of becoming a resident)
Financial Aid/etc…: maintains pretty strong financial network. School is not known for providing the best financial aid packages. Loans: Several university supported loans available…the primary school based loan: 1. Revolving loan. There are several other school based low interest loans available, especially available for disadvantaged students (cool….I don’t qualify…but that is still really cool). Unique loans: Federal Primary Health Care Loan – This is a campus-based program awarded by the Financial Aid Office to medical students who have chosen to work in primary care fields; and private loans programs established in part by donations and programs implemented by school alumni. Scholarships: Both need-based and merit-based scholarships available….additional scholarships include The Virginia Primary Care Medicine Scholarships, National Health Service Corps Scholarship, and private scholarship funds….% of Enrolled Students Receiving Financial Aid: 92%, Average Amount per Scholarship/Grant: $7,353 (hahahahahaha), Average 2006 Graduate Indebtedness: $130,378…So you can see that they offer several loans and scholarships, but the avg. debt is NOT low Score: 3.25
Curriculum/etc…: Curriculum does not seem as integrative as other curriculums seem. Very traditional, organ based curriculum that does incorporate case based/problem based learning….The average amt of time spent in small group sessions/lectures is approximately 3.5 hours/per course incorporating small grp sessions (In other words, not all courses incorporate small group sessions)…The max amount of time first year students spend in small group sessions is 94 hours....The amount of time spent in small group sessions increases during second year. Curriculum divided into four phases (I –IV) that correspond to the fours year of medical education. Obvious focus of M1 is basic medical science as it applies to normal human conditions (structure, function, growth, and development)…Classes taken as part of M1: Medical Biochemistry, Human Genetics, Gross & Developmental Anatomy, Physiology, Histology, Behavioral Sciences, Immunology, Neurosciences, Foundations of Clinical Medicine, Medical Bioethics; MII curriculum focuses on pathologic manifestations in the treatment of disease. Like at every other school, the number of required courses increases considerably…Courses offered: Pharmacology, Pathogenesis, Microbiology, Hematology/Oncology, Endocrine, Renal, Respiratory, Cardiovascular, Behavioral Sciences II, Central Nervous System, Women’s Health, Gastrointestinal, Musculoskeletal, Foundations of Clinical Medicine, Medical Bioethics. There are two primary longitudinal courses that are meant to enhance medical student learning…1. Foundations of Clinical Medicine – course offered during the first two years in medicine…this is the course through which students gain some form of early patient contact…students spend one afternoon per week alternating between small group sessions and clinical experience in the private office of a practicing primary care physician. During first year students focus on learning and practicing interviewing, history taking, and physical examination skills. During second year students incorporate what was previously learned into learning how to make differential diagnoses. Workshops on breast, pelvic, male genitalia, rectal and musculoskeletal abdomen examinations are conducted using standardized patients. Second year students are then evaluated on their progress through the use of written exams, written encounter notes, histories, physicals, organized Clinical Skills Examination, and by Objective Structured Clinical Examinations of standardized patients….2. Bioethics (and Humanities) curriculum – 2nd course offered longitudinally…specifically, students take components of it through the entire four years (yes…even during clinical clerkships) The Bioethics and Humanities Curriculum seeks to provide students with an understanding of how to apply basic ethical concepts to day-to-day medical situations, with an emphasis on medical student ethics and reflection on the medical students’ experiences. In M-1 and M-2, presentations on topics such as confidentiality, autonomy, professionalism, social justice, maternal-fetal conflict, brain death and transplant ethics are combined with small group case discussions led by a multidisciplinary group of faculty. Readings from the medical literature, fiction and non-fiction literature, artwork, videotapes, student/house staff panels, and films are used as teaching resources during the course. During M-3, ethics is integrated into rounds, noon conferences, and other teaching opportunities, including guest faculty such as bioethicists andother community experts. A module (including reflective writing) on end-of life are is a component of the Internal Medicine Clerkship. A set of M-4 electives provide students with the opportunity to explore bioethics, care of the under-served, and end-of-life care while working with an interdisciplinary team of health care providers. MIII: All required electives plus a few elective choices: Internal Medicine (12 weeks), Surgery (8 weeks), Pediatrics (8 weeks), OB/GYN (6 weeks), Psychiatry (6 weeks), Neurology (4 weeks), Family Practice (4 weeks); MIV – students take majority elective courses during their fourth year…each elective is four weeks long…there are some mandatory courses…but scheduling is flexible…it needs to be b/c students are busy interviewing for residency positions….Specifics: 4th year is divided up into nine four-week periods. Flexibility in curriculum allows students to do away rotations (international and national). Curricular Innovations: M3 clinical education innovators – Clinical Education Innovators are faculty in each clerkship with designated time for small group teaching and observation of M3 students; Paperless M3 Passport to aid M3 students in tracking clinical encounters - The paperless M3 Passport program has been implemented to allow both M3 students and faculty to track clinical encounters to ensure that minimum competency levels have been met for the various clerkships; Web-based curriculum – M1 and M2 syllabi are web-based providing images, video clips, interactive quizzes, links to PowerPoints and web resources, and search ability. Geriatrics has been dispersed throughout the curriculum providing students with didactic and practical experience. There are a number of computerized exams in both M1 and M2 providing students with experience in taking computerized tests including images, sounds, and video clips for preparation for USMLE examinations; Standardized patient program; simulation labs with state of the art simulation mannequins and computer-based modeling; Virtual IV simulation system – installed by the Computer Based Instruction Lab. The Virtual IV Simulation System is a comprehensive and fully interactive self-directed learning system for training intravenous catheterization. Powerful 3D graphics provide visual realism, while a state-of-the-art force feedback device accurately simulates the sense of touch for an immersive experience. Virtual patients respond with bleeding, bruising, swelling, as well as other patho-physiological reactions. Over a dozen pieces of virtual equipment can be used to perform the medical procedure. Over forty unique patient arm models span human anatomy and physiology. The Virtual IV Self-Directed Learning System records and evaluates students' performance and presents a thorough debriefing following each case. The debriefing gives students both positive reinforcement, as well as clear instruction that can be used to improve their abilities and their training. Grading Intervals: 5 interval grading system used all four years (Honors/High Pass/Pass/ Marginal Pass/Fail). Quick Note: Students demonstrating academic difficulty are usually offered the opportunity to enter a decelerated curriculum…Optional research thesis available Score: 13.5
#Affiliated hospitals/Clinical Facilities: 11 plus several clinical facilities and specialty institutes (most students complete of their rotations at 2 primary hospitals…a select few will complete rotations in the region where most of the affiliated hospitals are located Score: 9+++++++
Selection Factors: Private, rolling admissions, gives slight state preference to Virginia residents, Average undergraduate GPA (2006 entering class): 3.5 (coooooooooooooool), No listed Average Science GPA, Overall Median GPA: 3.62, Median Science GPA: 3.56, Average 2006 MCAT: 29P…Breakdown: V: 9.8, P: 9.8, B: 10.2, writing: P, Median MCAT: 30P (Ranges: V: 4 – 15, P: 6 – 15, B: 7 – 14, writing: K – T)…Breakdown: V: 10, P: 10, B: 10, writing: P; 4775 applications (712 in state, 4063 non-resident) for 877 interview slots (360 Va resident, 497 non-resident)….stated commitment to non-traditional students (that’s cool) Score: 7.75
Diversity: approx. 13% URM (not too bad at all), 43% minority Score: 12.5
Dual Degree Options: MD/PhD, MD/MPH, MD/MHA Score: 4.75
Student Support: Established Office of Minority Affairs (now known as the Office of Student Outreach Programs) that organizes various events and programs geared towards URM recruitment/retention/success in medicine (cool)…Serves as an additional source (for URM’s) for student advising and other support….students from rural backgrounds (URM or non-URM) can also take advantage of what this office has to offer VCU also has a Minority Affairs Advisory Board that also coordinates and develops projects that are targeted towards the recruitment, retention and development of minority students and faculty of the School of Medicine. It is dedicated to the interests of underrepresented minority groups* in the practice of medicine, as well as, providing needed support to those who are members of other minority groups. Specifics of the Office of Student Outreach Programs: The office organizes the Minority Mentorship Program (MMP) – this program gives first year students the opportunity to establish relationships with (minority) faculty members to ease the transition into the first year of medical school and for faculty to provide insight and advice into specific fields of medicine…This office plays a significant role in medical school environment (as it applies to underrepresented minorities)…coooooool….Strong SNMA (a lot of members) that organizes many outreach activities within underserved communities around Richmond and neighboring cities…Very active student government (at least on paper) that publishes survival guides and coordinates M-I orientation. VCU has an Office of Student Affairs (like every other school) and Office of Academic Support Services that organize programs for the general student body….The Office of Academic Support Services organizes counseling services, seminars that address note-taking skills, problem-solving skills, organizational skills, test-taking strategies, time management skills, etc…Staff is quite observant of how well students are performing in courses. If they notice a problem it is addressed immediately…students experiencing academic problems are offered an opportunity to move to the decelerated track before performance worsens. Academic/ Career advising: Students are assigned a 4th year student advisor during the 3rd year…it is during this year when they declare what specialty they plan to pursue. 4th year student advisors assist 3rd year students with setting up elective schedules, explaining residency programs, and providing guidance….Mentoring Program: program known as Project HEART (Healing with Empathy, Acceptance, Respect, and Integrity). Faculty members are recruited to serve as medical student mentors (to 1st and 2nd year students)….Faculty members (who participate) are assigned to 5 – 6 students…group meets around 10 – 12 times per year…creates a “caring community” (uhhhhhhh ok)……..A number of student (support) organizations…tutoring services offered….one primary Health Science Library….Curricular support: Computer Based Instruction Lab (CBIL…it is pretty cool), Claude Moore Education Center – contains a clinical skills center, teaching labs, etc… Score: 7+++
Housing: several options for on-campus housing (believe me, there are a lot of options), off-campus affiliated housing available, and very affordable off-campus non-affiliated housing Score: 6++++
Location: downtown Richmond, Virginia near cultural and government centers, medium sized city…but still have exposure to fairly diverse patient population Score: 4
Class Size: 184….so 21% of interviewees actually matriculate…a much larger percentage of students are accepted obviously!
Score: 5
Residency Match List: 46% of past graduates entered primary care residency programs, the other 54% either entered non-primary care residency programs or did not match at all (of course not everyone
Volunteer/Research Opportunities: Volunteer Opps – Honestly, there does not seem to be that many student organizations dedicated to organizing volunteer activities in the community. I found one student run on-campus volunteer organization…Operation Helping Hands…that is surprising considering that Richmond, Virginia is known for its poverty (hahahaha if I am wrong then you can blame the rap artists for lying…hahahaha)….but poverty should not be the sole driving force for implementing volunteer efforts….anyways…I am sure that many of the student interest groups organize some community service activities. I know the SNMA is active in organizing community volunteer efforts as well as various outreach programs, such as Project ACEe (Academic Career, and Educational experiences) – program designed to introduce disadvantaged high school students from the Richmond Public School system to the medical profession via conferences, workshops, and mentoring opportunities. Academic and Clinical Skills Symposium – gives students interested in health careers beneficial information and hands-on demonstrations so that they may become competitive medical school applicants….School wide community outreach: information on this was hard to find…School has a commitment to community outreach…maintain the “Caritas Clinic”, which is a free clinic run by the dept of Internal Medicine. Students do have the opportunity to volunteer at this clinic…I really could not find that much information besides what I have already mentioned. Research: This school is making significant progress in the research realm of academia…Student research fund: Opportunities are available for study and investigation under the tutelage of faculty members in their laboratories during the summer vacation and as an extracurricular activity during the school year. These studies are supported by the School of Medicine Summer Research Fellowship endowment. This is the primary means, I found, through which students can gain experience. VCU has made significant strides in strengthening their appeal as a research institution. Over the past decade, they have established a plan that will allow them to continue strengthening their research programs. Research Buildings: Medical Sciences Building (initial primary research facility that significantly enhanced their research capabilities)…is now being expanded again…will pave the way for attracting the larger and more dynamic research entities typically seen at the heavy hitting research medical schools. Massey Cancer Research Center…that’s cool… oh yeah…this center is currently being expanded to make more room for more research and cancer treatment. It already has the distinguished title of being one of 61 National Cancer Institute designated sites…that’s quite nice and appealing…VCU currently has partnership with the neighboring Virginia Biotechnology Research Park…allows its scientists/clinical researchers to have ample space for their projects. Total NIH Funding: $62,707,781 (Rank: 58th), Total NIH Research Funding: $55,072,191 Score: 7.75
Miscellaneous: website not very informative…I just hope it has not hindered my ability to thoroughly investigate this school…Average age of 24.5 (cool), 94% - 99% pass rate on boards: you typically want to see a pass rate on the higher end of that range!!!!! I do like that the average age is a little higher…but that could mean a bunch of old married folks….hahahahaha Score: 2.75

Total Score: NO FULL SCORE ASSIGNED UNTIL ALL SCHOOLS COMPLETED…HELPS PREVENT ANY POSSIBLE INLETS FOR BIAS
 
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