Verifying EC's post acceptance

[Wasabi peas]

I was wondering how in depth is the process where schools verify EC's, letters, etc. after a student receives an acceptance? Asking because this is my first time hearing about schools doing due diligence.

Also, I heard about students being kicked out in their fourth year or having degrees revoked after graduating for application misrepresentation. Is this due diligence an extremely in-depth process that takes years to complete? It seems odd for degrees to be revoked for something like lying about hours that could have been checked early on.

Thank you @gonnif

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[907914]

I was wondering how in depth is the process where schools verify EC's, letters, etc. after a student receives an acceptance? Asking because this is my first time hearing about schools doing due diligence.

Also, I heard about students being kicked out in their fourth year or having degrees revoked after graduating for application misrepresentation. Is this due diligence an extremely in-depth process that takes years to complete? It seems odd for degrees to be revoked for something like lying about hours that could have been checked early on.

Thank you @gonnif

If you say you did 100 hours of volunteering but it was really something like 60, no one is really going to care and probably won’t look in to it. Now, if you say you served in the military or that you won miss teen Alabama when you didn’t....

 

[Noeo]

Don't lie and you'll have nothing to fear.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Don't lie and you'll have nothing to fear.

To add to this a little, estimating your projected hours and then having them fall a little short is not lying, and you’ll be fine.

 

[Med Ed]

I was wondering how in depth is the process where schools verify EC's, letters, etc. after a student receives an acceptance? Asking because this is my first time hearing about schools doing due diligence.

It varies from school to school. I'm sure some do nothing. Some do partial audits. Others have people who call every contact on every admitted student's EC list. Most of it starts in earnest in May, when waitlist movement slows and schools feel their classes are fairly solidified.

Also, I heard about students being kicked out in their fourth year or having degrees revoked after graduating for application misrepresentation. Is this due diligence an extremely in-depth process that takes years to complete? It seems odd for degrees to be revoked for something like lying about hours that could have been checked early on.

For this to occur it would require uncovering a significant level of misrepresentation. As in falsified transcripts or LORs, manufactured ECs, or deliberate omission of required information. I'm sure things like this have happened, but such events are extremely rare. It also usually takes some really bad luck on the part of the student to have such misdeeds come to light years after admission.

I do know of a medical school that rescinded a graduate's diploma after it was discovered, a few years after the fact, that he had forged an attending's signature. The odds of that being discovered so long after the infraction were extremely low, but it nonetheless happened.

 

[Quantal Reasoning]

lol

 

[907914]

Out of curiosity, when schools do follow up what did they do? Like if just a phone number or just email is provided do they call or email just saying “hi this is X medical school calling in regards to Jimmy about his hospice volunteer hours”

 

[Goro]

Just want to share with those of you considering DO schools, keep in mind that Osteopathy is a small world, and DOs sure seem to know a LOT of other DOs, especially within a state.

We had one interviewee who claimed to have interviewed with Dr X at St Beeswax Hospital

Dr X was, in real life, a good friend of Dr Y, who was our OMM/OMT Dept Chair.

So Dr Y started asking the candidate about the shadowing experience, knowing full well that Dr Y moved from St Beeswax a number of years earlier, when the candidate could not possibly have shadowed Dr X.

This kid physically tried to disappear into the back of the chair.

Guess who got rejected?????

 

[907914]

Schools can do it by any means

So, how should students list non-organized volunteer experiences and how are those confirmed? As in, things like tutoring a group of students independently not-for pay or leading a self-started backpacking/camping group for kids of other students. The only contact would be the student themselves, or the students they tutored etc.

 

[deleted688779]

So, how should students list non-organized volunteer experiences and how are those confirmed? As in, things like tutoring a group of students independently not-for pay or leading a self-started backpacking/camping group for kids of other students. The only contact would be the student themselves, or the students they tutored etc.

Also wondering about this. I tutored independently and also tutored as a member of a tutoring club that no longer exists. One of the relatively big projects that I did was on my own with no faculty or official. The only people who I can think of can vouch for me would be myself, the people I served, friends who knew me during college, and a major adviser who wasn't there to witness everything but knew me throughout college and willing to vouch.

 

[Wasabi peas]

Thank you for the thorough reply. With news of people faking their transcripts or hating on ethnic groups on Twitter, it makes sense that there are constant internal audits. I'm just worried about ecs that are less well tracked, so I appreciate that you clarified that as well @gonnif .

Thank you to everybody else who also took the time to reply.

 

[Catalystik]

I tutored independently and also tutored as a member of a tutoring club that no longer exists. One of the relatively big projects that I did was on my own with no faculty or official. The only people who I can think of can vouch for me would be myself, the people I served, friends who knew me during college, and a major adviser who wasn't there to witness everything but knew me throughout college and willing to vouch.

Use the advisor (who's the most objective and official person on the list) and be sure to "remind" them of the full range of those activities and timeframes involved.

 

[gratitude3333]

@gonnif

do adcoms verify all ECs, or just spot check a few?