Yeah, I was also thinking on something along those linesleviz said:...usually a few seats in each class that are had by means which aren't exactly kosher (aka rich/influential daddy taking care of it.)...
All my friends in optometry school tell me that they only thought they were busy in undergrad, but once you get into optometry school you'll really find out what "busy" is.samwY said:I heard Optometry school isn't as hard as undergrad (organic chem, chem, microbiology, etc.).
i never took a semseter in optometry school with less than 20 hours of credit. I've never been that busy in my entire life. But, being a fourth year now after all that is so worth it !!sammyiu said:Optometry school is in my opinion 100X harder and more time consuming than undergrad. You go from 15 hours average in undergrad to 22-24 hours a semester in optometry school. A lot of classes are small hours so you end up taking 10 classes with labs and the time component is huge! Especially for my second year we had 2-3 tests a week the entire year along with preparations for competency. Don't be fooled, optometry school is HARD but well worth the effort. Third year for us got much better and fourth year is all rotations. Get through 2 years of hell and it gets much smoother.
The science classes you get in optometry school aren't as rigorous as undergrad because there just isn't time to delve as deeply into any one topic -- but what more than makes up for it is the *volume* of material you're given to learn. I think this is true for all professional schools. Doing well in optometry school is as much about time management and organizational skills (which are important "real-world" skills) as it is about being "smart".samwY said:I heard Optometry school isn't as hard as undergrad (organic chem, chem, microbiology, etc.).
College is a piece of cake compared to optometry school! My anterior seg class this semseter is 12 credits and thats just one class! Plus, I have clinic 2-3X a week(~9 hours/day)
Our new curriculum is very intense, b/c we start rotations 3rd year.
Alright. I wasn't going to jump into this since I signed an agreement that I wouldn't divulge admissions policies, but I was on the admissions commitee of an east coast school for 3 years, and I'll try to give you some insights into what I saw:gilann said:katalio, no harm done...perhaps I was jumping into conclusion about your comment about low gpa's entering Optometry schools. This is how I see it, not everyone is going to achieve a 4.0 in college. Anyone could be a 2.5 gpa in Biochemistry vs. the psych student with a 4.0? Who is the more qualified student? The guy with the 2.5 in biochem...heading into opt school.
What if you completely blew it in first year but then managed re-taking higher level courses? I think pre-professional programs are going to look at your entire transcript, from the first day you entered to the last day you graduate from undergrad/college. There sure is a darn good reason for each course you take and the grade that you earn. Like i said before, college is no easy 4-years. Low gpa's are expected
Please tell me that I didn't see the word "commity" in this post.rpames said:You can get in with classes from any school, but school reputation does play a role. If they teh application commity has an appliation from a student from Northshore CC and a 3.5, and a second from a guy who went to Cornell with a GPA of 3.1...They may lean to the Cornell grad. When I talked to a medical school prof, he said the same thing. They will look at the school if the application is on the boarder.
Katalio said:Actually, what programs are consider "HARD"? and what are "easy"
Majority of the people appling for OD program are usually BIology major isn't it? so what kind of programs are considered to be "harder" than biology?
OAT in 3 weeks =)..Good luck ppl.
JG777 said:my undergrad gpa was between 2.4-2.7 and i got into scco (my top 2 choices). my oat scores 330/340. if you ask me why i got in with such scores (as deemed low by most) was because i had a lot of optometry related activities such as volunteering, working for an omd, research, non-health related volunteering. i really tried to show that my numbers did not reflect my enthuism to be in optometry so i brought it to the table when i was interviewed. sometimes numbers don't reflect the person and that's why you have students being accepted with low gpa's or test scores. sometimes the smartest person lacks street smarts and communication skills. there are other factors in a person's life that profoundly affect their performance academically. does that mean then that they have no chance at all to a higher education? no. if we are a equal and free society, we believe in the equal oppportunity of advancement for everyone of any class, gender, race.
with that long response, i hope those who don't have a high gpa continue with determination that they can get somewhere in life if you put 110% effort. i am living proof.
THANKS! i did my research on retinoschisis. with the omd, i worked as a technician by taking patient history, scribing, assisting with procedures. very hands on. for the od, i just shadowed and volunteered for about 6 months or something.FutureEYEdoc09 said:Hey, first I want to say congradulations on your success.....I am a non-traditional applicant leaving a chiropractic program and going for optometry! I am curious what kind of things you did (in more detail)----especially the research and work with an OMD------what work did you do with an OD?
JennyW said:Alright. I wasn't going to jump into this since I signed an agreement that I wouldn't divulge admissions policies, but I was on the admissions commitee of an east coast school for 3 years, and I'll try to give you some insights into what I saw:
Obviously, GPA matters. The number of applications to optometry schools is not in the thousands, so each application DID get a look. But if the GPA was painfully low, then the likelihood of the application getting more than a passing glance was low UNLESS:
1: The student was from a well known school
2: The student was in a difficult academic program that concentrated heavily on the sciences. Low GPA applications with excessive elective courses or with majors that did not have a reputation for being difficult were usually flushed quickly. (read: "communications" majors with GPAs of 2.6 needn't bother.)
OAT scores probably mattered more than GPA since it's the one thing that all applicants have in common. If you don't score above 300, you should probably consider retaking it, even if your GPA is high.
Recommendation letters from people other than ODs mattered little. Most of them were generic, with the students name just being inserted into a form letter. I recal that often times male pronouns were scattered through recommendation letters for female candidates and vice versa. What was always helpful was a letter from an OD who graduated from that school.
Work experience in the field mattered a lot, even if you were the receptionist at a lenscrafters. Research didn't matter unless you were applying to the PhD program.
The personal statement mattered a lot, but only if it reflected on why one wanted to be an optometrist, and gave a description as to the steps one took to reach that decision. No one cared about your brother who was killed in a car accident, or the fact that you played piano every week for the people at the old folks home.
Sometimes there is also plain luck involved. I recall that one girl had an application with a modest GPA and only slightly above average OAT scores. However, in her application she mentioned that she had been in girl scouts all through high school and had attained her gold award, which is the girl scout equivalent of an eagle scout. (I only made my silver award. lol) Well, one of the other woman on the committee was ALSO a gold award recipient 15 years prior, and fought hard for this applicant, so she was admitted. (And actually was one of the top performing members of her class the following year.)
One year, it was down to the final spot. It was narrowed down to two applicants that were virtually identical. No one could decide. Flipping a coin was ACTUALLY CONSIDERED! All of a sudden, the DEAN of admissions leaned forward and said "Wait a minute! Where is this one from?" Turns out the applicant was from a small town in southwestern Wisconsin, and the Dean grew up in the town 10 miles over. Guess which applicant was admitted?
One thing that I noticed right away was that there was NO quota whatsoever wrt race, location, or gender. As the process went along, at no time did anyone say "we have too many women, or not enough minorities" or anything like that. So white men, take comfort.
So, the best advice I can give you all is to do the best you can, and try to have ONE thing that makes your application stand out.
What did you get on the OAT?? If you got less than 300, you should retake it.pre-ODsam said:WOW......That sounds like the most realistic and honest thing I have ever read regarding admissions procedures........REALITY...because we live in a very subjective world.......Anyway, I am a very non-traditional applicant with strengths and weaknesses........quite a few W's scattered thru my academic record with an undergrad cumulative around a 3.2 or so....I am 31 and leaving a Professional school program with around a 2.6-2.7 GPA (Doctor of Chiropractic program) because I have decided that Optometry is what I want to do for the rest of my life! It is an awsome field and I loved all of the eye stuff in neuro...(Edinger-Westphal sounds like a luxury hotel!)....I did see on here a couple other ex Chiros who opted out of chiropractic (get it? opted...lol) to pursue optometry.....My GPA in Chiro school was only average with some A's and B's mixed in......I have a tremedous amount of anatomical knowledge and some experience with fundoscopy from my DC training......Is this going to help me to get in....? I know a 2.7 professional school GPA doesn't sound great but the material is in a different universe from undergrad-----how will this be looked at? And another thing------I will have an undergrad GPA of 3.2 and a professional school GPA of 2.7----how will this be looked at?
i disagree... i think it's 100X easier than undergrad, because undergrad has courses that are idiotic in naturesammyiu said:Optometry school is in my opinion 100X harder and more time consuming than undergrad. You go from 15 hours average in undergrad to 22-24 hours a semester in optometry school. A lot of classes are small hours so you end up taking 10 classes with labs and the time component is huge! Especially for my second year we had 2-3 tests a week the entire year along with preparations for competency. Don't be fooled, optometry school is HARD but well worth the effort. Third year for us got much better and fourth year is all rotations. Get through 2 years of hell and it gets much smoother.