Volunteering in the OR!

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answer the question: tell us about the surgery. what did they (you) actually do? why were they (you) operating? what was the age, sex, ethnicity of the patient? i think its definitely that what you are saying is completely unbelievable. you start a thread with: so i was bored in the er one day so i wandered up to the or....that sounds like a load of hypothetical-i-wish-that-happened-wouldnt-it-have-been-cool bs. 👍
 
brynn7 said:
answer the question: tell us about the surgery. what did they (you) actually do? why were they (you) operating? what was the age, sex, ethnicity of the patient? i think its definitely that what you are saying is completely unbelievable. you start a thread with: so i was bored in the er one day so i wandered up to the or....that sounds like a load of hypothetical-i-wish-that-happened-wouldnt-it-have-been-cool bs. 👍
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I would love to talk more about it but it is not allowed under volunteer guidlines. It had to do with a gallbladder and a scapel...
I can see you wish this would also happen to you and I hope you do have a cool experience in the hospital it really is a great feeling!
 
rtmcad2319 said:
I would love to talk more about it but its not allowed under volunteer guidlines. It had to do with a gallbladder and a scapel...
I can see you wish this would also happen to you and I hope you do have a cool experience in the hospital it really is a great feeling!
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hahah..worried about privacy guidelines? its funny that you follow the rules when they suit your story. also, you would be allowed to talk about case details. that would be allowed under hippa. what would not be allowed is if you would give enough info for us to determine who the patient was, usually including race, sex, age, date of visit, etc.
 
Your numerous and obviously intentional typo-s indicate that you are most definitely a troll, enjoy your stay here, we have many of you. 🙂
 
i'm sorry i'm just really interested in your really "cool" experience that obviously none of us are cool enough to ever have. i just wanted some of your awesome experience to benefit and enlighten me. 🙄 why don't you want to share? it obviously NEVER HAPPENED!!! :meanie: :meanie:
 
Aren't most cholecystectomies done laparoscopically now?
 
Don't make a post asking for people's feedback if yo don't want to hear what they say! It's obvious that the only thing you want to hear is "wow, awesome, you should totally go ask the guy if you could help him again, i wish i could have an experience like that". Unfortunately for you, not very many people have that opinion due to the fact that you're not only breaking the law, you're also putting a patient in danger. And I know you don't think the patient is in danger since the one (and ONLY) time you've ever assisted, the surgery turned out fine, but sometimes even the most skilled surgeons can make a mistake....and the probability of a mistake happening when you are assisting is much greater than when the surgeon is doing what HE was trained to do.
 
Pinkertinkle said:
Your numerous and obviously intentional typo-s indicate that you are most definitely a troll, enjoy your stay here, we have many of you. 🙂
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Your numerous and obvious flaming makes wonder why you joined SDN.
 
ambrosia said:
Don't make a post asking for people's feedback if yo don't want to hear what they say! It's obvious that the only thing you want to hear is "wow, awesome, you should totally go ask the guy if you could help him again, i wish i could have an experience like that". Unfortunately for you, not very many people have that opinion due to the fact that you're not only breaking the law, you're also putting a patient in danger. And I know you don't think the patient is in danger since the one (and ONLY) time you've ever assisted, the surgery turned out fine, but sometimes even the most skilled surgeons can make a mistake....and the probability of a mistake happening when you are assisting is much greater than when the surgeon is doing what HE was trained to do.
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I never once got mad at people's remarks. Only when they made flaming remarks toward my character did I respond harshly. I was inquiring about asking the doctor to 'shadow' him more often and now, after all the law issues, will also talk to him about the legality of what I did. I know that is was an awesome experience and I need no confirmation of that!
 
DrThom said:
Aren't most cholecystectomies done laparoscopically now?
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Yes most gallbladder removals involve a laparoscope. I find it fascinating that with 2-3 small incisions, so many complex surgeries can now be performed in that manner.
 
rtmcad...

The issue is that what you did was wrong. It was illegal, unethical, and wreckless on both the part of yourself and the surgeon. It is good for you if you found it an exciting and awesome experience, but you cannot use your positive feelings as grounds for justification on this matter.

Please tell me that you do not honestly defend volunteers cutting a patient. Please tell us that despite the high you gained, you know that volunteers cutting patients is inherently wrong.

I feel that you are trying to defend yourself as being a good person and in doing so you are defending bad behavior on your part and on the part of those who sanctioned it. However, no one is throwing stones at you personally. They are only condemning the behavior. Those are two separate things. And guess what? We all engage in stupid, wrong behaviors. That doesn't mean we are stupid, wrong people, does it?

I'm sure you and the surgeon conducted this event with the best of intentions. I'm sure y'all are good people. You're ego should have no stake in this event. It was poor behavior and I think you should be able to admit that. If you can't admit to something like this, then I would have to seriously question your judgment as a future physician.

J
 
Thank you very much for bringing this thread back to the top, we really did all want to see it again. Thank you again, trolls do need their feed.
 
what the hell are you all coming down on this kid so hard for? dude, i would have jumped at that chance if a surgeon offered it to me. i doubt the doctor would do anything that would jeopardize the patient's life. anyone who says they would refrain from picking up that scalpel because of "legal issues" is either lying or a total pu$$y. you should all take the poles out of your butts.
 
i think this guy is just trying to start an argument, most likely he is lying or at the very least extending the truth. If not, i apologize but i have a right to an opinion.
 
Hell, I work in the OR.

There are worse things going on in there then a volunteer making one incision.....
 
Rugger81 said:
anyone who says they would refrain from picking up that scalpel because of "legal issues" is either lying or a total pu$$y.
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classic..
 
I agree, if a surgeon had given me the opportunity to do this, I would have jumped on it as well. Contrary to popular belief, the mechanics surgery is easy; it is just like fixing a computer or dissecting a frog. This is not to say that the surgeon?s job is easy. The management of problems that arise, and pre-operative / post-operative care is the challenging part of the surgeons career the actual dissecting and surgical aspect is just a learned skill. We shouldn't condemn the volunteer for this act, but the surgeon. The surgeon was placing his patient in an unnecessary risk, your CANT debate that fact!! Granted cutting with a scalpel is not that hard, anyone who has taken a biology class can do it, but lets say some freak thing happened. Say the volunteer accidentally dropped it etc. Also, most OR personnel go though training on how not to contaminate the surgical field, if the volunteer accidentally contaminated the field and caused an infection this could also lead to problems. Most hospitals also don?t like "outsiders" scrubbing in due to risk that they don?t get exposed to a BBP and sue the hospital - believe me, this has happened. Today, with HIPAA, many hospitals don?t allow volunteers in the OR unless the physician has received permission from the patient prior to the procedure. In today?s world of frivolous lawsuits patients can sue for anything even if there was no harm done in the procedure. I guarantee that the patient mentioned in the above incident would win the lawsuit if they sued the doctor for what happened. The doctor should have though twice before allowing this to happen. And I hope you think twice before you let it happen again.
 
txknockout said:
I hate to add to the useless ranting I see on this site sometimes, but all you haters out there need to SHUT it...y'all are just jealous he had the opportunity and you didn't. Shame on all of you who add negative comments about being sued, etc. not only in this forum but others as well.

Don't EVEN tell me that if you were in his exact situation and a surgeon is asking if you'd like to make an incision that you'd proceed to say: "No thank you, I'm not qualified, plus I'm afraid of getting sued/wouldn't want to put the hospital at risk.."

Bull****
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isnt useless ranting what the web is all about?? :laugh:

anyway.. regarding your point, it is attitudes like this which perpetuate the general population's feeling of irresponsibility by the health care community. on the other hand.. i really hope that people aren't posting because they are jealous

as someone who has been around the block a few times (ie: im a non trad student), i honestly probably wouldn't have done it if given the opportunity since i wouldnt want to jeopardize my future (and my assets) as a defendant in a no-win lawsuit... given it is likely the hospital and the surgeon who would take most of the fall should something go wrong. (so as another poster put it, i would qualify as either the liar or a 'total pu$$y')

additionally, i need to stress that it isn't a personal attack on him in saying that he would get sued... since if ANYONE did it, they would likely be named as part of the lawsuit (and would likely lose).
 
Whether or not anyone is "jealous" is irrelevant to the argument. Jealousy wouldn't change the fact that a volunteer making surgical cuts on a patient is just plain wrong.

Also, calling folks names because they express an opinion different from yours is juvenile. It is a popular tactic for those who don't know how to argue but like to run their mouth anyway.

Hey, as long as you feel better then nevermind the disrespect you will garner.

jj
 
Can't be a part of this argument anymore..

I'd also like to add that I hope all of you get to experience at least one cool thing as far as the clinic is concerned..it just reinforces our motivations to be in this field..kudos to mr. thread starter for sharing his experience with us 😉
 
Man, for some reason SDNers can always make an argument out of anything...
 
UT_OC said:
Man, for some reason SDNers can always make an argument out of anything...
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That's the type A personality that everyone is always right ... jeez. I think everyone here needs to take a "chill pill" LOL! :laugh:

I volunteer in a hospital and although I would at a chance to make a decision, I do NOT believe I am qualified to do the same ... I wouldn't feel comfortable doing it either. If I was protected by good samaritan law on the street and it was an emergency sure, I'd do it to help someone, but not in a hospital. Maybe not even on the street! 😱
 
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