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How do the schools actually check if you did the volunteer work that you claimed you did on your application? I've heard numerous stories of people who just make up their volunteer activities and then have a family friend act as their volunteer reference and they ended up getting into pharm school.
 
Regardless of what you've heard other people do or get away with, you should NEVER lie about volunteer work/activities. If you do get an interview, there's a good chance they'll ask you about your experience.

You don't need to do a ton of volunteer work to get into pharmacy school. You just need to show a commitment to community service. That can be done in a variety of ways. But don't ever make stuff up.

My $0.02.
 
That's true...schools know that pharmacy volunteers more than likely will have VERY LITTLE, if any, experience with medications. I know many hospitals forbid volunteers to handle medications at all. Just volunteer to learn about pharmacy in general, or just volunteer to have it.
 
How do the schools actually check if you did the volunteer work that you claimed you did on your application? I've heard numerous stories of people who just make up their volunteer activities and then have a family friend act as their volunteer reference and they ended up getting into pharm school.

I bet this happens all the time. I'm not condoning this, but I'm sure it works to a large degree, too. Stupid, isn't it?

I was wondering how I was going to show that I'd really volunteered at a pharmacy, since anyone can just make **** up.

I guess I'm just going to give names of people, the location, and contact information of all the pharmacists I observed(/volunteered with).(?)

If schools really wanted to make sure, they could. But, I doubt they do. I'm sure you could make up references too. But it Effs it up for people who don't want to defraud the school!! 😡

References in general are stupid, they only show that you have social contacts. They say not to have family or friends write them, but if the professor or coworker writting a thought-out letter about why you should get into a school isn't you're friend, why the hell are they spending all this effort writing a letter for you?

Isn't that the definition of a friend? Someone who knows you, who is willing to help you out when you're in need? And who hasn't met most of their friends in either the work place, or at school?
 
References in general are stupid, they only show that you have social contacts. They say not to have family or friends write them, but if the professor or coworker writting a thought-out letter about why you should get into a school isn't you're friend, why the hell are they spending all this effort writing a letter for you?

Isn't that the definition of a friend? Someone who knows you, who is willing to help you out when you're in need? And who hasn't met most of their friends in either the work place, or at school?

Not everyone who helps me is my friend, or even an acquaintance.

The principle of the LOR is for a professional to assess your ability to be a professional and capable pharmacy student. Think of it as a professional statement. You provide the personal statement that describes your personal attributes that will allow you to succeed in pharmacy school and professors/pharmacists/bosses provide the professional statement to attest for your professional attributes that will allow you to be a capable professional pharmacist. To summarize, the point of LORs aren't to show how close you are to a professional friend-wise, it's to have another professional rate you professionally. I have used the word professional a lot since that is the emphasis I'm trying to get across to you. My LOR writers know me well professionally, but I don't consider them my friends.😉

To the OP, I also believe that people make up stuff due to the adcoms' inability to check the sources of every interviewed app. Some people can get by if they can explain the profession well enough during the interview. I'll concede that. However, don't do it with the "everybody does it" and "life is not fair" rationales. Those reasons are just excuses to be unethical and probably is reflective of people being self-centered for their own benefit.
 
At my interview they actually asked me some pretty detailed questions about my volunteer experience. If I had made up the whole thing they certainly would have caught me.

Your volunteer experience does not have to be in pharmacy, or super extensive, especially if you have ever worked in a pharmacy or shadowed a pharmacist. Just find something that you enjoy doing that you either cant, or wouldnt be able to do as a job. Read books to kids at the library on saturday, go with your church mission group over spring break, help with a local political campaign, answer phones at the Red Cross.... Your choices of volunteering is another way to tell them a little bit about your personality above what you write in your essay. Use these experiences to learn more about yourself too, not just as crap to put on an application.
 
Does anybody know if the ADCOM will contact your volunteer experiences and work experiences directly? From my own opinion I don't see how they would have the time to do that, but I'm a bit nervous at the possibility. Thanks.
 
Does anybody know if the ADCOM will contact your volunteer experiences and work experiences directly? From my own opinion I don't see how they would have the time to do that, but I'm a bit nervous at the possibility. Thanks.

They won't, but they'll spot check if it seems a little suspicious. Frankly there's nothing to be worried about if you're being honest. You want them to ask you about your experiences during the interview because it gives you an opportunity to shine! =)

And if you write down several different pharmacy experiences, you better be able to explain them all and what you learned from each one. Because if all you can say after having shadowed four different pharmacists is "they work with patients and distribute medication"...you're in serious trouble. In other words, use your experiences as a base to gain knowledge so that you can sound intelligent and knowledgeable about the invisible portion of the job. And it's totally ok not to have official pharmacy experience. I relied upon my research and my interactions with pharmacists that I knew to learn more about the profession; I didn't actually work 15 hours a week and I was still able to learn a lot about the career and be able to convey that knowledge during the interview. Don't make up what you don't have; there is definitely more than one right way to get into pharmacy school.
 
Does anybody know if the ADCOM will contact your volunteer experiences and work experiences directly? From my own opinion I don't see how they would have the time to do that, but I'm a bit nervous at the possibility. Thanks.

I wouldn't think they'd check every single reference on every single application; but those who ask you to list references, probably do check some of them, perhaps at random. I'm also of the opinion that it would not be good to fabricate volunteering activities. Downonthepharm gives some wonderful ideas for other types of volunteer oportunities outside of a pharmacy. Some other suggestions are helping out at a humane society, a food drive, a nursing home, or a goodwill type place.
 
You don't need 10 volunteer experiences, even if you have 2-3 that you are committed to and are learning a lot from, it's just as strong. Please do not lie or make up experiences 🙁 even if you do not get caught, it is not fair to yourself or others who actually take the time to it.
 
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How do the schools actually check if you did the volunteer work that you claimed you did on your application? I've heard numerous stories of people who just make up their volunteer activities and then have a family friend act as their volunteer reference and they ended up getting into pharm school.

Cheating in the academic in the academic world a lot of time is hard to catch. Most of the time they count on integrity and the fear of getting caught to stop the cheating. Sure cheating does happen and in the cases like the one you brought up it is hard to regulate.

The man power really is not there to check on everyone's volunteer activities but they could always ask you about the experience in your interview. Seems to me that you probably do not have a lot of volunteer activities and are thinking about falsifying your application. My advice would be not to risk it, just go out and do some volunteering this summer instead of trying to decide to cheat. You might find something out about yourself through a volunteer experience and strengthen your character so the temptation to cheat is easy to fight off.
 
Not everyone who helps me is my friend, or even an acquaintance.

The principle of the LOR is for a professional to assess your ability to be a professional and capable pharmacy student. Think of it as a professional statement. You provide the personal statement that describes your personal attributes that will allow you to succeed in pharmacy school and professors/pharmacists/bosses provide the professional statement to attest for your professional attributes that will allow you to be a capable professional pharmacist. To summarize, the point of LORs aren't to show how close you are to a professional friend-wise, it's to have another professional rate you professionally. I have used the word professional a lot since that is the emphasis I'm trying to get across to you. My LOR writers know me well professionally, but I don't consider them my friends.😉

Dispite the way I exaggerated things, and called LORs "stupid,"
I had two main points:

I) Regardless of what a LOR is for, what it does is give the student an opportunity to abuse social connections (people who may or may not be considered "friends," or "family," but are in some way allies willing to exaggerate the students attributes for them). Example: some student's father is friends with a pharmacist, who purposely exaggerates how great his friends son is. They might not even be friends of a family member.
BUT, the person didn't need to be a "friend" or a "family member" to make stuff up for someone else. They may not give a crap about the person, they may likely be some non-friend associate getting something else in return.

II) A friend is anyone who 1) knows, 2) trusts, and 3) likes you. Or a friend is someone who is friendly towards you, one that helps you. (Note:I try to befriend most people.) They could be someone to give an objective rating, or they could be someone to give an exaggerated rating. Anyone that helps you because they know you and are kind enough is, by many definitions, a friend. That was my point. That, and that LOR give students an opportunity to abuse social contacts.

But, thanks for humiliating me in public and that smug emoticon at the end. I definitely needed chastising, repetitive, and demeaning phrases like "[...]think about it[...]to summarize[...]I have used the word professional a lot[...]I'm trying to get across to you[...] 😉 " to understand what a LOR was really for.

I know the honest existential reason for LORs, I also hold the opinion that they give opportunities to be dishonest, or abuse, or simply show-off social connections.

Professional(s/ism):

I believe good professionals are kind professionals regardless of their career. They have good morals and ethics, and they genuinely care about people, all people. Great professionals sometimes sacrifice hard work and things of monetary value just so they can better serve their community; they are friendly, responsible, altruistic, & kind.

The general concept of a "professional" as someone who has extensive experience, looks serious, acts serious, is well-groomed, objective, and gets paid for what he does is what is left over from an earlier concept that once included other values(responsibility to the community, altruism, etc.).

I'm sure you'll make a great "professional," but your way of correcting me and helping to explain what a LOR is was far from kind, considerate, or gentle. You didn't even try to understand what I may have meant.
 
just wondering how much volunteer going to help your application....
 
Dispite the way I exaggerated things, and called LORs "stupid,"
I had two main points:

I) Regardless of what a LOR is for, what it does is give the student an opportunity to abuse social connections (people who may or may not be considered "friends," or "family," but are in some way allies willing to exaggerate the students attributes for them). Example: some student's father is friends with a pharmacist, who purposely exaggerates how great his friends son is. They might not even be friends of a family member.
BUT, the person didn't need to be a "friend" or a "family member" to make stuff up for someone else. They may not give a crap about the person, they may likely be some non-friend associate getting something else in return.

II) A friend is anyone who 1) knows, 2) trusts, and 3) likes you. Or a friend is someone who is friendly towards you, one that helps you. (Note:I try to befriend most people.) They could be someone to give an objective rating, or they could be someone to give an exaggerated rating. Anyone that helps you because they know you and are kind enough is, by many definitions, a friend. That was my point. That, and that LOR give students an opportunity to abuse social contacts.

But, thanks for humiliating me in public and that smug emoticon at the end. I definitely needed chastising, repetitive, and demeaning phrases like "[...]think about it[...]to summarize[...]I have used the word professional a lot[...]I'm trying to get across to you[...] 😉 " to understand what a LOR was really for.

I know the honest existential reason for LORs, I also hold the opinion that they give opportunities to be dishonest, or abuse, or simply show-off social connections.

Professional(s/ism):

I believe good professionals are kind professionals regardless of their career. They have good morals and ethics, and they genuinely care about people, all people. Great professionals sometimes sacrifice hard work and things of monetary value just so they can better serve their community; they are friendly, responsible, altruistic, & kind.

The general concept of a "professional" as someone who has extensive experience, looks serious, acts serious, is well-groomed, objective, and gets paid for what he does is what is left over from an earlier concept that once included other values(responsibility to the community, altruism, etc.).

I'm sure you'll make a great "professional," but your way of correcting me and helping to explain what a LOR is was far from kind, considerate, or gentle. You didn't even try to understand what I may have meant.

lor's don't have to be negatively interpreted this way as a way to abuse 'em. as with anything, if people are gonna be abusing it, then they will. but bless those who don't abuse the lor's. now, lor's are just recommendations and probably don't have much to say about to the extent of how well you will be doing in pharmacy school.

3 lor's? just 3 grains of salt. now there's always gonna be dishonest people, but trust me, that's something that will catch up with them (with time). let's focus on ourselves and use the lor's for honest recommendations.
 
I have a question regarding to the discussion above. I am about to submit my PharmCas application and the only thing that holds me back is the third LOR. I've got two options:
1 my husband's old friend and his wife (both are pharmacists). I don't know them really well, I mean we meet each other maybe 3 times a year, but my husband plays discgolf with him pretty often;

2 I am going to volunteer in the pharmacy next weekend and I probably can ask the manager to write a letter for me, but it will be my first time. So, who knows if we like each other.

So, now I am trying to decide who is the better choice (time is ticking), or may be I should do both of them. Does anybody know if I can submit 4 letters?
 
I have a question regarding to the discussion above. I am about to submit my PharmCas application and the only thing that holds me back is the third LOR. I’ve got two options:
1 my husband’s old friend and his wife (both are pharmacists). I don’t know them really well, I mean we meet each other maybe 3 times a year, but my husband plays discgolf with him pretty often;

2 I am going to volunteer in the pharmacy next weekend and I probably can ask the manager to write a letter for me, but it will be my first time. So, who knows if we like each other.

So, now I am trying to decide who is the better choice (time is ticking), or may be I should do both of them. Does anybody know if I can submit 4 letters?

I'm pretty sure pharmcas limits you to three. I would go with the first choice. Yeah, you are abusing the relationship because they don't know you in a professional setting, but at least they can say something about you. I bet the manager would be likely to say no to your request anyways because you will have no experience there. Honestly, neither of them are very good choices.
 
I'm pretty sure pharmcas limits you to three. I would go with the first choice. Yeah, you are abusing the relationship because they don't know you in a professional setting, but at least they can say something about you. I bet the manager would be likely to say no to your request anyways because you will have no experience there. Honestly, neither of them are very good choices.

I understand that they both are not perfect but I am desperate (sigh 🙁 ) and they are my last resort.
I’ve been in about 15 Walgreens trying to get any kind of job during last 3 months, talked to all their managers, and unfortunately, got zero results. I have two friends working there (one is a tech and one is a pharmacist), even they could not help. I mean, I need to wait until someone leaves and it may take months and they are still reluctant about me b/c of my 0 experience. 👎

So, this second choice guy owns a private retail pharmacy in a small village (3 hours away from where I live). He is not just a random person, but a brother of my husband’s coworker. So, you can see I am trying to use any possibility. It’s not like I’ am abusing relationships, I just don’t have that much choice.
 
I understand that they both are not perfect but I am desperate (sigh 🙁 ) and they are my last resort.
I’ve been in about 15 Walgreens trying to get any kind of job during last 3 months, talked to all their managers, and unfortunately, got zero results. I have two friends working there (one is a tech and one is a pharmacist), even they could not help. I mean, I need to wait until someone leaves and it may take months and they are still reluctant about me b/c of my 0 experience. 👎

So, this second choice guy owns a private retail pharmacy in a small village (3 hours away from where I live). He is not just a random person, but a brother of my husband’s coworker. So, you can see I am trying to use any possibility. It’s not like I’ am abusing relationships, I just don’t have that much choice.


Well with most chain stores i think they like to hire from within if you dont have much experience. most techs and clerks i have spoken with started in the photo dept, cashier or something then when a positioin opened they talked to the dm about it or the pic about it and they got it.
 
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