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Would be great if @Goro @LizzyM @gyngyn @gonnif and other people could shed some light on this for me.

Let’s say I’m put on a waitlist for a school and this school was my only interview for the cycle. I’m operating under the assumption that I’m not getting in anywhere that cycle, since banking on an acceptance from a school I’m waitlisted at would be foolish. With that knowledge, I beef up my application in pretty substantial ways (I know there wouldn’t be a huge amount of time between my finding out about my waitlist and the start of the next cycle to beef up a whole ton but bear with me).

I have a higher MCAT, more volunteering hours, better research, better recommenders, etc and I submit AMCAS on the first date in June. I finish secondaries in a couple weeks, maybe even get an interview in July if I’m lucky. Then, I get a call from the waitlisted school saying that I’m accepted in August a week before classes start. My question is this: what are the repercussions for turning down that waitlist acceptance? AMCAS and my secondaries are submitted by this point so there’s nothing to indicate to med schools that I had a previous acceptance, so that shouldn’t be a red flag on my app, right? Now if I was offered a position off the waitlist in May or June that’s a different story since I now have to indicate this, but what if I didn’t find out until August?

I did read somewhere that AAMC publishes a list of all accepted students (even students on the waitlist who are potentially unaware of their acceptance) and that this list is sent to medical schools before the start of the next cycle, so even if I didn’t find out until late it wouldn’t matter because med schools would have my name on this list saying I was accepted even if I didn’t find out in time to indicate this on AMCAS or secondaries. Idk if this is true though so someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
 

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Fallacy #1- Rosaceae Myopia Corrected or seeing the world thru rose colored glasses where optimism and better things happening is the only probable outcome.

Let’s say I’m put on a waitlist for a school and this school was my only interview for the cycle. I’m operating under the assumption that I’m not getting in anywhere that cycle, since banking on an acceptance from a school I’m waitlisted at would be foolish. With that knowledge, I beef up my application in pretty substantial ways (I know there wouldn’t be a huge amount of time between my finding out about my waitlist and the start of the next cycle to beef up a whole ton but bear with me).

Fallacy #2 - premature (re)application or applying again too soon even though multiple medical schools advise directly on their website (see below). Unless you have taken the position that you will be rejected (which the majority of applicants will be) the moment you submitted your first AMCAS and continued to enhance your application for a year, you are unlikely to have substantially improved your record enough. Waiting until you have been put on the waitlist is far too late.

I have a higher MCAT, more volunteering hours, better research, better recommenders, etc and I submit AMCAS on the first date in June. I finish secondaries in a couple weeks, maybe even get an interview in July if I’m lucky. Then, I get a call from the waitlisted school saying that I’m accepted in August a week before classes start. My question is this: what are the repercussions for turning down that waitlist acceptance?

Fallacy #3: Way Too Favorable Syndrome, usually referred to as WTF. So even though you believe you can only get a higher MCAT (couldnt possible get a worse score), have more volunteering hours (even with a pandemic that is not yet over) somehow get better recommenders (even though you already had 3 or 4 years of college to do so), with data that shows 60% of applicants get rejected, and that half of matriculants get a single acceptance, you are are gonna say "WTF" turn down an actual acceptance to medical school, thing you have been working for years, the thing that will make you a doctor, a sure thing for a chance on a lottery that most people lose? WTF

By far, the biggest mistake any premed can make is turning down an acceptance. all I can say is WTF?

AMCAS and my secondaries are submitted by this point so there’s nothing to indicate to med schools that I had a previous acceptance, so that shouldn’t be a red flag on my app, right? Now if I was offered a position off the waitlist in May or June that’s a different story since I now have to indicate this, but what if I didn’t find out until August? I did read somewhere that AAMC publishes a list of all accepted students (even students on the waitlist who are potentially unaware of their acceptance) and that this list is sent to medical schools before the start of the next cycle, so even if I didn’t find out until late it wouldn’t matter because med schools would have my name on this list saying I was accepted even if I didn’t find out in time to indicate this on AMCAS or secondaries. Idk if this is true though so someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

Fallacy #4: the only thing can hold me back is other schools knowing I was accepted before. Medical schools will not, repeat, will not know of any other acceptance that you had in a previous cycle except for that medical school itself. While AMCAS with track every applicant and every acceptance, it is used now solely for statistics and tracking (from premed to the end of residency every doctor is tracked).

Your entire scenario starts with the underlying assumption that you got this far in one cycle so you cant possibly do any worse and are sure to get another acceptance. It is the biggest piece of BS you tell yourself. You are actually plating the roulette table in a Las Vegas Casino and after spending years at premed, classes, EC, etc, you number comes up. So what do you want to do? Bet it all again.

Tell you what, if you get a late WL acceptance, give it up and go gamble everything. We dont need foolish risk takers in medicine

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Many medical schools offer specific pages of advice for reapplicants, something I find few students look into. This would be true whether or not you are a specific reapplicant to that school. Below are links to a few and please note most say the most common mistake among reapplicants is applying again too soon


University of Miami Miller School of Medicine
Roughly 20% of the students who apply to the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine in any given year are reapplicants. Data that we have collected indicate they have a lower acceptance rate than do first time applicants

University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Heath
http://www.med.wisc.edu/education/md/admissions/reapplying/31716
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There should be significant improvements in your application before reapplying. This might mean not reapplying the very next year. The most common error made by reapplicants is that they submit their next application too soon.

The Ohio State University College of Medicine
To maximize the chances of giving off this perception, you must allow enough time before reapplying. This will undoubtedly be the hardest part of the process, but be patient; if you rush it, you may join the ranks of those who are applying for a third time.

University of Minnesota Medical School
Though you can submit a second application immediately after your first application, you may want to consider waiting a year if you feel you need more experiences that help you demonstrate the essential and desired qualities of an ideal medical student.

University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill

Virginia Tech Carilion School of Medicine

LSU Health Shreveport

University of Missouri

East Carolina University, Brody School of Medicine

Texas College of Osteopathic Medicine (UNTHSC)

Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine
 
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Aren't you the same guy who made this thread?

not sure why you're so intent on giving up a "bird in the bush" when it still doesn't exist
IU is also a good school. This isn't something like LMU-DCOM
 
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If you wouldn't attend a school, even if they asked you from the waitlist, remove yourself from the waitlist and reapply . You will be doing a huge favor to the person on the list who actually will attend and you will get what you deserve.
 
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If you're so desperate to not go to IU, just release your waitlist position and reapply next year.
 
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Aren't you the same guy who made this thread?

not sure why you're so intent on giving up a "bird in the bush" when it still doesn't exist
IU is also a good school. This isn't something like LMU-DCOM
I'm pretty sure it's the same...He/she has been here since 2017 so they should know better. I just lost track of all the assumptions from the post. So Let's get some popcorn. It's a new thread per month........
 
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Fallacy #4: the only thing can hold me back is other schools knowing I was accepted before. Medical schools will not, repeat, will not know of any other acceptance that you had in a previous cycle except for that medical school itself. While AMCAS with track every applicant and every acceptance, it is used now solely for statistics and tracking (from premed to the end of residency every doctor is tracked).
I also thought AMCAS schools have a way of knowing, in subsequent cycles, who held (and, therefore, gave up) an A in a prior cycle. If this is not the case, are you saying the only thing compelling applicants to honestly answer this question when asked (assuming the answer is yes) is their own morality and willingness to sabotage their application?
 
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Drop the WL already and give your spot to someone who will attend. Based on your past posts, it looks like you want to go to a T10.
 

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In the “old” traffic rules and centralized report system that AMCAS ran until 2 or 3 years ago, all acceptances were tracked and reported by applicant name so that any school could ultimately see it.

In the new choose your medical school CYMS (which should be choose ridiculous acceptee system or CRAP), these centralize reports no longer are generated or released. The AMCAS application as well as many medical school secondaries ask about previous matriculations which are readily reported to all schools by AMCAS. A few may ask about previous acceptance which cannot be verified during the application process.

However during pre-matriculation, when a school performs due diligence, the Federal DOE anti-competitive rule that was the reason that old reporting system was dropped and CYMS was introduced, would not prevent AMCAS from reporting acceptances. I have no knowledge if individual schools request this info in any agreements with AMCAS for deeper background info. But some schools are using third party AMCAS vendors for due diligence on application verification and I could see this being part of that. While unlikely, I wouldnt risk a lie that could get your acceptance rescinded. Again, highly unlikely. So the probability of the risk occurring is low but the impact of the risk is high.
 
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I beef up my application in pretty substantial ways (I know there wouldn’t be a huge amount of time between my finding out about my waitlist and the start of the next cycle to beef up a whole ton but bear with me).
How are you planning to spend the next few months or next year in order to do this?
 
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In the “old” traffic rules and centralized report system that AMCAS ran until 2 or 3 years ago, all acceptances were tracked and reported by applicant name so that any school could ultimately see it.

In the new choose your medical school CYMS (which should be choose ridiculous acceptee system or CRAP), these centralize reports no longer are generated or released. The AMCAS application as well as many medical school secondaries ask about previous matriculations which are readily reported to all schools by AMCAS. A few may ask about previous acceptance which cannot be verified during the application process.

However during pre-matriculation, when a school performs due diligence, the Federal DOE anti-competitive rule that was the reason that old reporting system was dropped and CYMS was introduced, would not prevent AMCAS from reporting acceptances. I have no knowledge if individual schools request this info in any agreements with AMCAS for deeper background info. But some schools are using third party AMCAS vendors for due diligence on application verification and I could see this being part of that. While unlikely, I wouldnt risk a lie that could get your acceptance rescinded. Again, highly unlikely. So the probability of the risk occurring is low but the impact of the risk is high.
Makes perfect sense. I was just asking because I like to know stuff. I totally agree with your prior post that it should NEVER happen. Giving up a DO acceptance to try for MD in a subsequent cycle is crazy enough. Giving up a MD to try to trade up would be so self-destructive that it's difficult to contemplate. In the rare instance where it would be well justified and actually make sense, it seems like there would be no reason to lie about it, and it wouldn't doom an otherwise viable application.
 
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