WAMC: low hours

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windy1

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Hi guys! I already applied this cycle, but I've been feeling really nervous about it lately, and I would appreciate hearing opinions from other people.

I'm a first-time traditional applicant from Maryland, and I want to go into large animal practice. My GPA for every category is 3.9, which I know isn't bad, but I'm worried about my hours. I only have about 300 research hours, 250 vet hours (both small and large animal), and 800 animal experience hours. I'm just worried about my low vet hours. Do you guys think the rest of my application is enough to make up for it???

I haven't worked at a vet's office because I get paid more as a waitress and I need to pay for undergrad lol

I applied to ohio, purdue, oklahoma, rowan, tufts, and VMCVM. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
 
You probably will sail through any academic cutoffs, you may very well struggle through the subjective review portions. Probably depends on the school, who is reading your app, and how well you wrote your essays/how good your LORs are.

If you sit and think about it, you have a total of 6 weeks of experience...that's not a lot. Even more perplexing is you say you want to go to large animal medicine, an extremely challenging field, but have probably only a few weeks worth of experience to support that decision. I also would wonder how good of a veterinary LOR you got with only a few weeks of experience. There is a lot of potential for red flags there.

With that said, people get in with minimal hours all the time. At this point, just wait and see what happens. If there are any schools on your list that do open-file interviews, I would be prepared to discuss/defend your lack of experience (I wouldn't use low pay at the reason you didn't get more vet experience...).
 
I agree with pp9. Of the schools on your list, I’m most familiar with OkState, and I think you’ll likely at least get an interview there. I believe they make their interview list by deciding how many interviews they need the lining everyone up by GPA and the top whatever number of the GPA list get interviewed. Then your subjective things like experience and essays and interview results come into play. So it’s hard to guess how that would shake out; you might be able to overcome it, but maybe not. I guess my advice would be hope for the best but prepare for the worst. You’re “lucky” in that more experience is usually the easier thing to “fix” in an app more so than pulling up a GPA. So if you don’t get in, at least there’s an easy plan to follow to improve for next time.
 
You probably will sail through any academic cutoffs, you may very well struggle through the subjective review portions. Probably depends on the school, who is reading your app, and how well you wrote your essays/how good your LORs are.

If you sit and think about it, you have a total of 6 weeks of experience...that's not a lot. Even more perplexing is you say you want to go to large animal medicine, an extremely challenging field, but have probably only a few weeks worth of experience to support that decision. I also would wonder how good of a veterinary LOR you got with only a few weeks of experience. There is a lot of potential for red flags there.

With that said, people get in with minimal hours all the time. At this point, just wait and see what happens. If there are any schools on your list that do open-file interviews, I would be prepared to discuss/defend your lack of experience (I wouldn't use low pay at the reason you didn't get more vet experience...).
thanks for the reply! Two of my LORs are from professors and one is from the vet i've spent the most time with. Since there are only two employees at the practice (not including me), In my opinion, we have gotten to know eachother well enough that LOR quality isn't a problem. For more clarity, my research experience is in food animal genetics, which is where my interest in food/large animal medicine started, and I grew up raising chickens, so I have a lot of practical experience with farm work, just not direct clinical work. I'm definitely not planning to use low pay as an excuse LOL, that's just the reality of why I got my hours from shadowing in my free time instead of working at a practice. Thanks again for your input!!
 
I agree with pp9. Of the schools on your list, I’m most familiar with OkState, and I think you’ll likely at least get an interview there. I believe they make their interview list by deciding how many interviews they need the lining everyone up by GPA and the top whatever number of the GPA list get interviewed. Then your subjective things like experience and essays and interview results come into play. So it’s hard to guess how that would shake out; you might be able to overcome it, but maybe not. I guess my advice would be hope for the best but prepare for the worst. You’re “lucky” in that more experience is usually the easier thing to “fix” in an app more so than pulling up a GPA. So if you don’t get in, at least there’s an easy plan to follow to improve for next time.
Thank you!!
 
Warning, rambling ahead from someone who has written letters almost every year since I graduated:

Since there are only two employees at the practice (not including me), In my opinion, we have gotten to know eachother well enough that LOR quality isn't a problem.
You may think that, but I'm just telling you the reality of how schools might interpret your application. Not trying to make you worry about being rejected, far from it, just give you some perspective on why I bring it up as a red flag for your app. Like I said, you may very well have no issues if your GPAs can carry you through.

There's more to LORs than 'This applicant was great.' There's an actual questionnaire we fill out in addition to uploading our written letter. It asks things like how well we know the applicant and how long have we known the applicant, because that really matters. Then it lists various qualities/skills/personality traits/etc for which we mark ratings (or mark if we have not observed you in that context to be able to rate). Things get a little misleading when I can say I met you a year ago, but in reality have only spent, say, 80 hours working with you since meeting you (clear as mud?). So sure, I've known you for a year, but I still don't know you well.

Length of time the vet has known you/depth of their experience with you is a big factor in how well the letter is received and how much weight is put on it. A vet you've worked with for a few weeks cannot possibly, or honestly, mark all of those categories. It takes months, if not a year or two, of FT hours to get a good idea of how someone works/who they are as an employee and see how they respond in a variety of situations. There's going to be a lot of 'not observed' in that section if they are answering honestly. While that doesn't mean you wouldn't be rated highly had the vet observed you in that situation, having a lot of unknowns in the LOR is a red flag. And the fact that your only vet reference is someone they can see has barely worked with you (again, a few weeks is really nothing)...that vet also cannot honestly say they know you 'very well.' And saying otherwise could cast doubt on the entirety of the letter imo.

Another bit of perspective: The only time I've actually marked 'very well' for how well I've known an applicant is for someone I had worked FT with for several years, and I had could confidently rate each personality trait/other accordingly. I can't even do that for most interns/externs that stay for several weeks/maybe a couple months with full time hours, unless they are really outgoing and upfront with their participation. I've turned down writing letters for pre-vets that have popped in for a few weeks because it's just not enough time to be able to write them an honest, but good one.

should you end up needing to apply again next year, this vet can probably write you a significantly more accurate letter. But with just a few weeks together, it's really not 'knowing each other well' like you think it is.

I'm definitely not planning to use low pay as an excuse LOL, that's just the reality of why I got my hours from shadowing in my free time instead of working at a practice. Thanks again for your input!!
But you did use that specific reason as to why you didn't get more vet hours. I'm just saying that if you said that in an interview, you might not get a good response.
 
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