WAMC: Non Trad Career Switch w/ 3.9 and 510

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  1. Pre-Medical
  1. cGPA: 3.93 sGPA: 3.85
  2. MCAT: 510 (127/129/126/128)
  3. CA/NY
  4. Asian, first-gen
  5. Big State Public School + MS bioinformatics
  6. Clinical experience: Hospice (50 hrs) + MA in underserved primary care clinic (300 hrs)
  7. Research experience: Various public health + digital health + genomics research (collective 1000 hrs.) + current job includes research
  8. Shadowing: OBGYN (40 hrs)+ Primary (40 hrs)
  9. Non-clinical volunteering: Alumni Association (100 hr) + Food Pantry (50 hrs)
  10. Other extracurricular activities: Tech Job (5000+ hrs), SWE Job (250 hrs), Various Internship (500 hrs), Club Sport Leader (500 hrs), health educator (50 hrs)
  11. Relevant honors or awards: Case competition winner, research awards in undergrad, club sport medals
Albany
Albert Einstein
California Northstate University
California University of Science and Medicine
Charles R Drew University
Chicago Medical School
Columbia
Dartmouth (NONTRAD)
Donald and Barbara Zucker
Drexel
Frank H. Netter
Geisinger
George Washington
Georgetown
Kaiser
Keck
Lewis Katz Temple
Loyola University Chicago
Medical College of Wisconsin
New York Medical College
NYU
Oakland
Oregon Health
Penn State
Renaissance Stony Brook
Rush
Rutgers
Rutgers
Sidney Kimmel Thomas Jefferson
Stanford
SUNY Downstate
SUNY Upstate
Tufts
Tulane
UC Davis
UC Irvine
UC Los Angeles
UC Riverside
UC San Diego
UC San Francisco
University of Illinois College of Medicine
University of Miami
University of Washington School of Medicine
Wayne State
Weill Cornell
 
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I went through MSAR and added schools within range and then schools in CA/NY. Any feedback would be appreciated!
Within what range? I don't know if your 510 MCAT is "within range" that is common rule-of-thumb by most applicants. Your best chances at an interview are at schools where your 510 hits the 75th percentile of the incoming class. Mission fit is much more important if your metrics fall below the 50th percentile. What is your purpose as a physician? I say that because you don't give me details that tell me you would be a good fit with many of the schools on your list.

Clinical hours seems light: 300 hours MA in a "underserved primary care clinic" tells me nothing. You could be doing data entry or janitorial services (cleaning the exam rooms after visits). How many years have you been doing this? Hospice 50 hours is 1 hour a week for a year, so it doesn't impress me. Neither does food pantry 50 hours. Alumni association work doesn't count as community service for medical school admissions.

I get that your job takes up a lot of your time, but you need to show a dedication to pivot to a healthcare career and becoming a community advocate. Chicago schools (Rush, Loyola, CMS, UIC) want much more community service than your profile suggests. UC schools are well-known to select people who have a commitment to serve patients in the communities closest to their campuses. MCAT is likely too low for the prestige names (Einstein, Columbia, Dartmouth, Stanford, Cornell).

I'm guess you wish to leverage your bioinformatics background, but you didn't use it to inform your school list? How do you intend to use this as a physician (if you wanted to)?
 
Outside of the state schools, you have a few schools that won't even look at your application:

UW, for example, only considers applicants from the WWAMI region.

Drew is a historically Black/Hispanic-serving school. It has a lower average MCAT on MSAR because their target population trends lower in those metrics statistically and they are heavily recruiting from that group. You can apply as an Asian obviously, but your chances of even receiving a secondary are low (they prescreen and value service).

NYU is one of the most stat-sensitive schools out there. I think their MCAT average was ~523 or something absurd like that. It's also even more competitive than you would think within the T10 because they're tuition-free and a transitioning (or have already implemented) a 3-year MD model.

Jesuit schools (Loyola, Georgetown) want thousands and thousands of hours in community service and an application organized around that service. I would probably put Tulane, Wayne, and Tufts in roughly the same category, as more social justice-oriented programs.

I'm guessing you have OR, NJ schools because you want IS advantage at more than just two states, but their surrounding states as well? I don't think it would benefit you at all to apply as a CA applicant at all.

I get that there's probably a part of you that is going to want to shoot your shot at reaches anyway, and that's valid, but you would be doing yourself a disservice if you don't apply to some of the newer schools just in case your plan to be IS at all 50 states does not pan out (Belmont, AWSOM, Roseman, Methodist, etc.)

You are in a very uneven position since you don't have the MCAT score that would complement your tech/research experiences at research powerhouses, but you also don't have the strong social justice angle that could rescue you from that MCAT, either. I hated myself for overapplying (it's painful work), but I really suggest you apply as broadly as you can, across a realistic gradient of schools.
 
Outside of the state schools, you have a few schools that won't even look at your application:

UW, for example, only considers applicants from the WWAMI region.

Drew is a historically Black/Hispanic-serving school. It has a lower average MCAT on MSAR because their target population trends lower in those metrics statistically and they are heavily recruiting from that group. You can apply as an Asian obviously, but your chances of even receiving a secondary are low (they prescreen and value service).

NYU is one of the most stat-sensitive schools out there. I think their MCAT average was ~523 or something absurd like that. It's also even more competitive than you would think within the T10 because they're tuition-free and a transitioning (or have already implemented) a 3-year MD model.

Jesuit schools (Loyola, Georgetown) want thousands and thousands of hours in community service and an application organized around that service. I would probably put Tulane, Wayne, and Tufts in roughly the same category, as more social justice-oriented programs.

I'm guessing you have OR, NJ schools because you want IS advantage at more than just two states, but their surrounding states as well? I don't think it would benefit you at all to apply as a CA applicant at all.

I get that there's probably a part of you that is going to want to shoot your shot at reaches anyway, and that's valid, but you would be doing yourself a disservice if you don't apply to some of the newer schools just in case your plan to be IS at all 50 states does not pan out (Belmont, AWSOM, Roseman, Methodist, etc.)

You are in a very uneven position since you don't have the MCAT score that would complement your tech/research experiences at research powerhouses, but you also don't have the strong social justice angle that could rescue you from that MCAT, either. I hated myself for overapplying (it's painful work), but I really suggest you apply as broadly as you can, across a realistic gradient of schools.
Thank you for the feedback. all of this is very new to me. Can you explain why you don't think it will benefit me to apply as a CA applicant?
 
Thank you for the feedback. all of this is very new to me. Can you explain why you don't think it will benefit me to apply as a CA applicant?

CA is a very saturated market. Take a look at FACTS Tables A-19 and A-20.

Last cycle, CA provided 7,216 applicants with a mean GPA/MCAT of 3.65/508 (that is way more than any other state, and it's not even close). However, of those applications, only 2,933 matriculated, with a mean split of 3.8/~514. That's an A+ average and roughly a 90th percentile MCAT. We are not controlling for holistic review/demographic information at this point that could be exerting downward pressure on the average, and it still seems like a steep cliff. We can infer the ORM averages in CA are significantly underestimated by the mean. This puts you at a relative disadvantage with your MCAT amongst your most comparable peers.

Conversely, if you were from Mississippi, you would be a superstar relative to their mean matriculant MCAT of 506, for example. CA has some of the best schools, and its students some of the best resourced. They are producing high-quality students consistently, and that raises the bar for everyone, but especially amongst Asians (who matriculated at well over twice the rate of even Whites, see Table A-11). Medical schools are going to be more discerning because they can afford to be: thousands of students from CA are applying with near-perfect numbers. Because numbers lack discriminatory value in this market, it puts more scrutiny on ECs, and so there grows an arms race of increasingly ridiculous levels of achievement amongst that stratum of applicants (even more so relative to the general population of applicants). This is why applicants tend to joke that you need to cure cancer before applying.

Considering schools value diversity, an Asian from CA is a dime a dozen—you would need to stand out in ways that are increasingly unrealistic to overcome the raw numbers... but your profile does not rise to meet that challenge based on what I can see. Ultimately your career in tech is very cool, and I'm sure it has been an interesting ride, but why would someone pick you over another hypothetical CA Asian who spent 5,000 hours working as an NP/PA or got a PhD in a relevant field instead?

Please understand I'm not saying this to be mean or provoke some kind of race war. I'm also not saying you're a particularly poor applicant. I do think being realistic and aware of what you're up against is valuable information as you prepare to apply.

Beyond the numbers, consider that, for most students, their best chance is at their state public schools. I am not so sure that applies to CA to the same degree. The UC system's flagships view themselves as national resources and admit a sizable OOS population. Yes, UCD/UCI/UCR are more regionally biased, but more to my point, that makes them selective even within CA residents.

The location, being generally desirable, attracts a lot of OOS students to apply—so it isn't just that CA overproduces pre-meds, it also cannot absorb most of its own population. So CA applicants are forced to apply very broadly and take their chances outside their state, anyway. Obviously it's not to the point where CA applicants are doomed, but I think their IS advantage is weak in comparison to applicants of other states, like, say, Texas, who creates a huge number of premeds but primarily reabsorbs their own population through the TMDSAS.

Any of the above effects in isolation would lower your chances given your profile... but, stacked and compounded, create real considerations for anyone applying out of CA. Worse for people planning to apply into the most competitive seats in the country, which is why you got the incredulous response to your list.

If you have the option to reasonably claim residency literally anywhere else, I would do that, because it wouldn't necessarily evaporate your chances at the flagships (UCLA, UCSF), while still allowing you to claim IS advantage elsewhere.
 
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You should accumulate another 100+ hours at the Food Pantry. Otherwise, you could be screened out since many schools screen at 150 hours.
I suggest these schools with your stats:
Vermont
Quinnipiac
Albany
Drexel
Temple
Jefferson
Penn State
George Washington
Virginia Commonwealth
Eastern Virginia
Wake Forest
Methodist
NOVA MD
Belmont
Alice Walton
Ponce (St. Louis)
Rosalind Franklin
Medical College Wisconsin
Oakland Beaumont
Wayne State
Roseman
If you apply as NY resident add these schools:
All 4 SUNYs
If you apply as a CA resident add these schools:
California Northstate
California University
Kaiser
UC Davis
UC Riverside (if you are from that region)
Loma Linda (if you fit their mission)
 
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