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Hi everyone,

I’m looking for some guidance as a non-traditional applicant wanting to practice mixed animal vet med. This cycle was my first time applying, and I’ve submitted to 7 schools so far. Unfortunately, I’ve received rejections from all but 2, which I’m still waiting to hear from. While I’m not deterred, I want to ensure I’m setting myself up for success moving forward and using my time wisely.

A bit about me:

Education: I graduated with a B.S. in Zoology and a minor in Chemistry in 2019, but my GPA was low. I’m currently finishing a post-baccalaureate A.S. degree in Pre-Vet to help my GPA. However, as a transfer student (CC → UC → back to CC), I have a high unit total. Using the VMCAS GPA calculator, I’ve found that even with 90% A’s in recent science/animal courses and retakes (100% A’s), my overall GPA hasn’t budged much, which has me worried.

Extracurriculars & Leadership:
  • At my UC, I served as Secretary, Vice President, and President of the Pre-Vet Club
  • I was a dual-sport athlete in track and football during my time at the UC
  • I’ve was also actively involved in various clubs, including the Zoology Club, ASL Club, Botany Club, Wrestling Club, and Capoeira Club and did ample volunteer work at shelters, state parks, and around my various communities.
  • More recently, I’ve taken on leadership roles in my current CC’s Pre-Vet Club and UMOJA club. In previous semesters I've worked with our agricultural program, gaining hands-on experience with small and large livestock, poultry, and equine studies. I also counsel/mentor students getting ready to transfer to UC/CSU from the CC level
  • As a single father, I’ve also made time to volunteer at my daughter’s preschool, contributing to the community enjoying fostering my love for education and mentorship.
Updates for Next Cycle: I’ll be finishing my A.S. degree (with honors), retaking additional courses, completing another directed study in the spring and possibly fall, and further solidifying leadership roles.

Given my circumstances, I’m debating between applying again next cycle with these updates or pivoting to a master’s program to strengthen my GPA (especially with the GRE being a non factor). My main concern is whether my high unit total (and it still growing) limits my ability to improve my undergraduate GPA significantly enough to meet vet school thresholds.

Has anyone faced a similar challenge with GPA or unit concerns? Would completing a master’s make me a stronger candidate, or should I reapply next cycle with my improved application?

Thank you in advance for any insights or advice!
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supershorty said:
Moved to WAMC sub forum. OP, we cannot really give good advice without GPA information. Please take a look at the preferred format here: WAMC Forum- Welcome

Once we have more info, we’ll be able to offer better help 🙂
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Thank you for fixing my post my apologies I had it on the wrong forum. My GPA post UC was 2.54, currently at my CC the last 45 units has me at a 3.78 (this also for my science GPA at my CC, and not adding the upper division science courses I've taken like Bio Chem recently in which I received an A+) and I will be completing 2 more semester worth of courses minimum.
 
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I’m a non-traditional pre-vet student currently based in Southern California. I grew up navigating challenges as the first in my family to attend college, earning a B.S. in Zoology with a minor in Chemistry. This was my first time applying to veterinary school, and while I’ve received rejections from several schools so far, I’m still waiting on decisions from two more.

I’m particularly interested in schools with strong programs in mixed animal medicine, as my career goal is to work with both companion and large animals before eventually contributing to initiatives I want to develop and strengthen (Onehealth etc.). My interests span emergency medicine, agriculture, research, teaching and I’m currently pursuing an A.S. degree in Pre-Vet medicine to strengthen my GPA.
In addition to my academic pursuits, I work as an RVT at a Emergency Specialty Clinic, volunteer at my daughter’s preschool, and actively involved in leadership roles within pre-vet/vet organizations.

I applied to UC Davis, Oregon, Ohio State, Western (CA), Wisconsin, Cornell, Washington

Since i'm a CC → UC → back to CC student my GPA might be a bit complicated and my CC is in a community of schools its a bit split up.
Cumulative GPA: (from VMCAS 2.54 as of sep, 16 2024), on my CC transcripts from 2012-2024: 3.26, from my UC 2015-2019: 2.54
science GPA: current 3.88, don't know the calculation in combination with my UC grades especially with retakes
last 45: 3.78 at my home CC, 3.88 total from all courses taken since 2022 at my CC's+UC upper Divisions

Degrees achieved:
Bachelors Zoology, minor Chemistry
Completing an AS in Pre-Vet medicine in the Spring 2025

GRE results: Will not take unless needed

Veterinary Hospital Experience:
- RVT Current 1 year ECC/ICU at an emergency Specialty Hospital
- VA 5 years, Rural Urgent Care 3 years, 2 years ECC/ICU at an Emergency Specialty Hospital
- 3 years Agricultural Classes/Volunteer Small Ruminant, Large Ruminant, Poultry, Equine

Animal Experience: With Veterinarian 2019-2024
-2 years Small/Large Ruminant
-3 years Poultry
-1 year Equine
-2 years Wildlife
-2 years Zoo
-3 years Lab Animal/Research
-5 years Small Companion
-6 mo Exotics

Animal Experience: Non Veterinary 2008-2024
+15 years
-5 years Poultry
-2 year Equine
-4 years Wildlife
-1 years Lab Animal/Research
-15 years Small Companion
-3 years Exotics

Research Experience:
At UC volunteered assisting with sample surveys on Pisaster ochraceus and sea star wasting disease (SSWD)
Completed 3 Research projects (on Ariolimax, Sequoia sempervirens, and California darlingtonia)

At CC completed Agi Management research project on sheep as a model species for reproduction studies, included research on Lanolin, and cloning
Directed Study on Exploring Equine Gut Microbiota

Awards/scholarships:
- Full Time Dean's List x2
- Part Time Dean's List
- Spanish American Institute (SAI) Scholarship

Extracurriculars: I can put my past EC's if needed but I'll list the most current
- Pre Vet club (current ranking member: public relations officer)
- UMOJA club
- VCA DRG (AAmbition)
- Parent Volunteer @ Preschool
- Volunteer Student Farm Worker
- Community dog walker for the elderly

Certifications:
Completed:
SVME Certified
CFVP Certified

Working on:
Fear Free Certification
Recover RVT certification
ALAVTN certification

Employment:
- RVT VCA
- VA VCA
- Kennel Manager @ Rural Urgent Care Hospital
-Tutor: Mammalogy
-Student Receptionist
-Home Depot (Garden Department)

My main concern with my application is my GPA. Despite earning mostly A’s in recent coursework and retakes, my high unit total has made it challenging to significantly improve my cumulative undergraduate GPA. I’m worried this will continue to affect my competitiveness, even with strong upward trend in grades, strong extracurriculars, diverse veterinary experience, and excellent letters of recommendation. I’m also unsure if I should focus on retaking more undergrad courses, completing a master’s, or pursuing a combination of both to strengthen my application for future cycles.
 
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There are schools that focus on last 45/science GPA rather than cumulative. I know Kansas state is one, but I don’t remember any others off the top of my head. I don’t remember if KSU has any minimum cumulative GPA or not or if it’s *just* science/last 45.
There are also some schools that will ignore any academic history outside of a certain number of years (I know for illinois it’s 6 years) so if none of your prereqs are older and they’re all part of your new stuff or you’re willing to retake them, schools that do that should also be considered. It wasn’t something I needed to do (applied closer to when I was graduating undergrad so it wasn’t something that would’ve been an option), so I’m not sure if the full process to do this or what other schools have this option.
 
I agree with ski. You’ll need to apply smart and do lots of research on schools. I’d make a spreadsheet with what GPAs they look at, their minimums, seats available and average accepted student GPA, and all that. Figure out which schools do grade replacement vs grade averaging of retakes. Know what your GPAs are and make sure you aren’t wasting money by applying to a place with a strict GPA cutoff. A low cumulative GPA will definitely hold you back from some programs, but you should have a better chance at those that want to see a strong last 45 and things like that. You’ll need to apply smart and maybe not be picky about location and other factors if your GPA is on the lower end.

One thing that concerns me a little is that all of your recent success has been at a community college. It may be an excellent school, but in the grand scheme of things, CCs just don’t hold as much weight as a four year university. I know often the courses are just as hard and maybe even have the same faculty as a university, but I would like to see you continue to demonstrate success (aka maintain a high GPA) in some upper division science courses at a university. (No hate to CCs, I have an associate’s degree from a CC myself) Pursuing a masters isn’t bad, but I think you’ll find by reading posts on here that is isn’t a magic pass and it may not be regarded as much as one would hope. If you did pursue a masters, make sure it’s a viable backup plan in case vet med doesn’t work out for you…don’t waste money.

It’s hard to evaluate your vet and animal experience the way you’ve presented it…talking about things by hours is more common for vmcas. But from the looks of things the issue you’ll face is that low cumulative GPA not so much the experience portion.

And I know I said at the beginning of this that you may need to apply broadly and not be picky in order to get an acceptance, but if your career goal is mixed animal medicine, I would also caution you to be aware of the costs at schools. Going OOS gets very expensive and the cheaper OOS programs are very competitive. But mixed animal salaries are definitely lower than small animal and other fields within vet med, so it can be hard to repay a high loan balance, especially with the current unanswered questions about the future of student loan programs and reform. it’s easy for pre-vets to focus on just getting in at any cost, but the cost can literally impact the rest of your life. So be aware of the costs and make sure you realize what you’re getting in to and have a plan. I recommend everyone go to the cheapest school then can, but this is especially true for those wanting to pursue mixed animal medicine.
 
Hi! So many of the schools you have on your list that you applied to have minimum GPA cutoffs that are 3.0, so your GPA being below that means you were just automatically rejected. Next cycle you should scratch nearly all of those schools and apply smarter! Many schools don’t have those minimums and have more strong consideration towards last 45 as well. I also know Illinois has the option to disregard certain old coursework. Schools I’d recommend looking into:
Illinois (for the grade dropping - not fully sure of the process)
LMU
KSU
Ross
SGU
Iowa State
 
I’m curious, how do you have such a high sGPA with a lower cGPA when you’ve completed science degrees? It may be a good idea to double check the math when creating a school list
 
SkiOtter said:
There are schools that focus on last 45/science GPA rather than cumulative. I know Kansas state is one, but I don’t remember any others off the top of my head. I don’t remember if KSU has any minimum cumulative GPA or not or if it’s *just* science/last 45.
There are also some schools that will ignore any academic history outside of a certain number of years (I know for illinois it’s 6 years) so if none of your prereqs are older and they’re all part of your new stuff or you’re willing to retake them, schools that do that should also be considered. It wasn’t something I needed to do (applied closer to when I was graduating undergrad so it wasn’t something that would’ve been an option), so I’m not sure if the full process to do this or what other schools have this option.
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Thank you so much for the information! Hearing from one of my doctors who graduated from Kansas State (and wrote one of my LOR's) I was privy to their admissions focusing on the last 45/science GPA, I considered them for that reason and with their work in rabies research, after this cycle they’re definitely on my radar for the next cycle. Adding more info the main reason I applied to the schools I did this cycle is trifold: they’re either in-state, close to family, or I’ve visited the campus and felt a strong connection. As the primary caregiver for my young daughter, I’m also limited in where I can apply due to certain government policies in some states, which has made me prioritize schools that fit my personal circumstances. Being a person of color also plays a significant role in my decision-making, as I’m looking for environments where I—and my daughter—can feel supported and included.

I wish I could cast a wider net to include more schools with forgiving or holistic admissions processes, but my situation means I have to be strategic. That said, hearing about options like KSU gives me hope. If anyone knows of of has a list of other schools with similar approaches—like focusing on the last 45/science GPA or valuing recent academic improvements—I’d love to hear about them. Thank you again for sharing this—it’s really helpful!
 
JaynaAli said:
I agree with ski. You’ll need to apply smart and do lots of research on schools. I’d make a spreadsheet with what GPAs they look at, their minimums, seats available and average accepted student GPA, and all that. Figure out which schools do grade replacement vs grade averaging of retakes. Know what your GPAs are and make sure you aren’t wasting money by applying to a place with a strict GPA cutoff. A low cumulative GPA will definitely hold you back from some programs, but you should have a better chance at those that want to see a strong last 45 and things like that. You’ll need to apply smart and maybe not be picky about location and other factors if your GPA is on the lower end.

One thing that concerns me a little is that all of your recent success has been at a community college. It may be an excellent school, but in the grand scheme of things, CCs just don’t hold as much weight as a four year university. I know often the courses are just as hard and maybe even have the same faculty as a university, but I would like to see you continue to demonstrate success (aka maintain a high GPA) in some upper division science courses at a university. (No hate to CCs, I have an associate’s degree from a CC myself) Pursuing a masters isn’t bad, but I think you’ll find by reading posts on here that is isn’t a magic pass and it may not be regarded as much as one would hope. If you did pursue a masters, make sure it’s a viable backup plan in case vet med doesn’t work out for you…don’t waste money.

It’s hard to evaluate your vet and animal experience the way you’ve presented it…talking about things by hours is more common for vmcas. But from the looks of things the issue you’ll face is that low cumulative GPA not so much the experience portion.

And I know I said at the beginning of this that you may need to apply broadly and not be picky in order to get an acceptance, but if your career goal is mixed animal medicine, I would also caution you to be aware of the costs at schools. Going OOS gets very expensive and the cheaper OOS programs are very competitive. But mixed animal salaries are definitely lower than small animal and other fields within vet med, so it can be hard to repay a high loan balance, especially with the current unanswered questions about the future of student loan programs and reform. it’s easy for pre-vets to focus on just getting in at any cost, but the cost can literally impact the rest of your life. So be aware of the costs and make sure you realize what you’re getting in to and have a plan. I recommend everyone go to the cheapest school then can, but this is especially true for those wanting to pursue mixed animal medicine.
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Thank you for the detailed insights and advice—it’s incredibly helpful for me as I plan my next steps. I completely agree that next time I need to apply smarter, and I’ve started researching schools to better understand their GPA requirements, grade replacement/averaging policies, and emphasis on last 45 or science GPAs. I just created a spreadsheet to track these factors ( don't know why I didn't before but great suggestion), and I’ll definitely incorporate that into my planning for the next cycle.

Regarding community college (CC) courses, I understand that at 1st glance CC courses may not carry the same weight as upper-division courses at a four-year university. But the school I am attending has the prestige and courses to mitigate that, its AA program is taylor made for direct transition to vet school (barring those that need a Bachelors), but I get that and I’m already planning to take more challenging upper-division courses after finishing my current program, I already retook Biochem this summer at UC San Diego and received and A+, the only course I am missing of the upper division prerequisites is Genetics (and i'll consider taking cell bio if im applying to Colorado State) to complete with a better grade. I main question comes down to if I should consider a master’s degree before reapplying as viable backup plan.

As for my vet and animal experience, for my current hospital its what I put on the VMCAS was 5522 hrs as of 9/16/24, from my past hospital it was 4640 hrs for my main experiences but has only gone up since then, but like I said I’ve worked in nearly every field of veterinary medicine except shelter medicine (which Im looking to volunteer/work at starting next year) so I agree I don't think my hours/experiences are my chokepoint.

Your point about financial considerations is something I’ve thought a lot about. My ultimate goal is mixed animal practice, and I’m keenly aware of the challenges of repaying student loans with a lower salary. For that reason, this is why I prioritized in-state schools and those close to family for my initial applications. However, I also recognize that I may need to broaden my options while being mindful of costs. Though sadly i'm not being picky for any old reason, like in another response to a post, I have a young daughter so political climate, like new laws being enacted and incoming individuals in governance are the biggest factor because her well-being is top priority, i'll be fine anywhere cause I just need to be in a institution that will teach me what I need and want to learn to be a ethical and competent DVM in the future though being a POC does play a part, but I need to be wary of where I go for her sake. For sure though next cycle I'll look at schools that offer instate tuition after some time being in the state like Michigan State I think does.

Thank you again for the thoughtful feedback—it’s given me a lot to think about as I continue to refine my strategy and ensure I’m presenting the strongest application possible next time.

Any thoughts on doing a grad program or if its even worth my time? Also I read and was told that a masters is evaluated separately from your undergrad GPA, anyone who has completed one was it effective in moving the needle for GPA purposes?
 
Cowsrcool said:
Hi! So many of the schools you have on your list that you applied to have minimum GPA cutoffs that are 3.0, so your GPA being below that means you were just automatically rejected. Next cycle you should scratch nearly all of those schools and apply smarter! Many schools don’t have those minimums and have more strong consideration towards last 45 as well. I also know Illinois has the option to disregard certain old coursework. Schools I’d recommend looking into:
Illinois (for the grade dropping - not fully sure of the process)
LMU
KSU
Ross
SGU
Iowa State
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Thank you so much for the helpful feedback! Looking through post on the subforum it seems I hadn’t 100% fully considered the impact of GPA cutoffs at some of the schools I applied to, but your advice makes a lot of sense. After making my post, I spoke with my major's chair, and they informed me that our program has a relationship with SGU and Ross that includes a specialized process if I decide to pursue them after completing my AA. Given that, I’ll definitely be adding them to my list for the next cycle, though I’ll need to do thorough research since they’re international and come with other considerations.

I hadn’t initially looked into LMU or Illinois since I didn’t have a point of contact at those schools or an opportunity to visit their campuses. However, with your suggestion, I’ll make sure to explore them further and see if they’re a good fit for me.

While my GPA will see significant improvement by the next cycle due to the work I’m putting in, I know I’ll need to evaluate how competitive my application becomes under my current plan. Your advice has given me some great direction on how to apply smarter next time, and I appreciate the encouragement to look at schools with more holistic or flexible admission criteria! Any ideas on completing a masters besides the cost and time spent on it juxtaposed with my current GPA situation?
 
PixelPenguinz said:
I’m curious, how do you have such a high sGPA with a lower cGPA when you’ve completed science degrees? It may be a good idea to double check the math when creating a school list
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I did, like I said my situation is a bit vexing since I have a high unit total and the schools I chose take everything from the start to the time of applying. Because I am making up for doing moderately okay at the beginning of my collegiate career at CC, terrible freshman-early junior at my UC, great my senior year, and stellar at my current CC for post bac. That's 10 years (-2 because of covid) of courses.

My earlier post

Since i'm a CC → UC → back to CC student my GPA might be a bit complicated and my CC is in a community of schools its a bit split up.

Cumulative GPA: (from VMCAS 2.54 as of sep, 16 2024) this is from every course I've taken ever from 2012 to sep 16, 2024, on my CC transcripts from 2012-2024: 3.26, from my UC 2015-2019: 2.54

science GPA: At my CC current 3.88 (since all the courses I've taken in my postbac have only been approved science courses based on this list VMCAS Course Subjects), I don't know the calculation in combination with my UC grades especially with retakes and current finished courses.

last 45: 3.78 at my home CC, 3.88 total from all courses taken since 2022 at my CC's+UC upper divisions courses complete. Most current from courses completed this Fall 2024
 
So your sGPA will be lower because VMCAS doesn’t limit it to your current institution. It’s worth calculating it. Depending on how low it is, your chances of being considered by some schools are slim (even with a good post-bacc GPA)
 
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PixelPenguinz said:
So your sGPA will be lower because VMCAS doesn’t limit it to your current institution. It’s worth calculating it. Depending on how low it is, your chances of being considered by some schools are slim (even with a good post-bacc GPA)
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So went to double check my VMCAS score PixelPenguinz just to make sure and my sGPA as of 9/16/24 was slightly higher at 2.57 from what VMCAS calculated but again this is the conundrum im facing. I have just about retaken any course in which I received a grade lower than a B, only one left Genetics an upper division course in which Im planning to retake in the spring at a UC. Biology, Stats, Chem, Ochem, Bio-chem, Physics, Physiology, and my Animal Science courses I have retaken for a better grade or taken more classes within the wheehouse to try and raise my sGPA but because of the totals compounding my GPA that keeps growing as i'm doing more, it is only going up incrementally, (For example for the degree I am completing for post bac I only need to take nutrition in the spring to finish but now im also taking oceanography, plant sci, and a bio-technology to do more research, to further supplant my sGPA) so before I reapply i'm trying to build a better foundation. Because of this system of evaluating individuals not too rant much but it seems to unfairly block or sideline students with higher unit totals regardless of improvements from past mistakes. But again thats why im asking for some assistance especially on if someone doing all of this should consider completing a masters to show more academic competency or keep chipping away at improving my undergraduate GPA or if that is just me spinning my wheels. I really do value yours or anyones input, especially so I can see my situation from a new direction or gain some new insights so I can re-focus better after the results from this cycle.

*Adding on I finally got some feedback from admissions from two of the schools who rejected me, which the advice they gave me was centered on GPA but again I can't go back and change my grades for my BS (nor would I want to the cost would be exponential) and if i have retaken the courses received multiple A's, on top of I am taking more courses to expand on that knowledge (500 and above courses which are considered graduate level courses) What do I even do further?

Actually if anyone knows a way to calculate ones totally sGPA to see which are the classes dragging the overall sGPA down even with retakes I would appreciate it. I tried calculating my sGPA with adjustments for my retakes and it would have my sGPA at a 3.42 but now i'm not sure if i am doing this right.

Lastly thank y'all again for spending your precious time messaging me and giving me advice I really appreciate it.
 
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PixelPenguinz said:
Yeah, it’s pretty frustrating when all your recent A’s aren’t increasing your GPA by much. I would look into schools that offer grade replacement/averaging or allow you to choose science courses. Examples include VMRCVM, KSU, and ISU
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Yeah it's somewhat frustrating but only because there isn't clarity from these institution on what adjustment I should make. I would do them without a second thought, but trudging forward through this misty veil of "take more classes, retake more classes, and pray someone on admissions resonates with your struggles to see your potential" is where the frustration for me centers at.

I digress, I'll will take your advice and look further into the schools suggested and plan more around my GPA being stuck.

Any advice on getting a masters or not?
 
Regarding the master’s there are several people on here with higher GPA’s who aren’t having the best of luck this cycle. Not many applicants have graduate degrees so not every school will consider someone’s grad GPA equally. So it isn’t a magic bullet to get into vet school and going into an unfunded program will put you in further debt compared to CC classes. However, if you are interested in exploring an area that you can use as a Dr or in an alternate career (eg research, public health, social work, etc), then it’ll be worthwhile.

Also, several schools offer Zoom appointments to pre-vets which was helpful to me when planning my schools list.
 
Looking at a masters as an option I for sure would only do it if it was at least 2/3 funded, I also was asking because I enjoy doing research and want to gain more experience in writing/completing long form research and when applying next time i'm also looking at schools that have dual DVM/PhD degrees.
 
SkiOtter said:
There are schools that focus on last 45/science GPA rather than cumulative.
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Michigan State is another one.
Khaoslucario said:
Actually if anyone knows a way to calculate ones totally sGPA to see which are the classes dragging the overall sGPA down even with retakes I would appreciate it. I tried calculating my sGPA with adjustments for my retakes and it would have my sGPA at a 3.42 but now i'm not sure if i am doing this right.
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You'd have to calculate by hand according to what each school considers. VMCAS has a calculator you can use on this page, there are also a bajillion other GPA calculators you can find through Google. FWIW, VMCAS will calculate one thing, but that does not mean that is what the schools will calculate. Knowing how schools approach GPAs is key. You may very well end up with 5 different GPA calculations at 5 different schools, for example. If I were you, I'd probably take VMCAS's Excel and make a different tab for each school's considered GPA and go from there.

Honestly, your cGPA may very well be impossible to bump up much without significant time/expense (as in, taking a lottttt of courses and getting 4.0's in all of them). Even by the end of a traditional four year degree, cGPAs start to budge less and less. With the number of course retakes you've done (and it sounds like your retakes have resulted in really high grades), you should also consider schools that replace grades/take the most recent attempt. Some schools average the total attempts at the course. Replacing a 1.5 with a 4.0 is far more impactful than 1.5 + 4.0 / 2 = 2.75, for example.
Khaoslucario said:
Veterinary Experience:
- RVT Current 1 year ECC/ICU at an emergency Specialty Hospital
- VA 5 years, Rural Urgent Care 3 years, 2 years ECC/ICU at an Emergency Specialty Hospital
- 3 years Agricultural Classes/Volunteer Small Ruminant, Large Ruminant, Poultry, Equine

Animal Experience: With Veterinary 2019-2024
-2 years Small/Large Ruminant
-3 years Poultry
-1 year Equine
-2 years Wildlife
-2 years Zoo
-3 years Lab Animal/Research
-5 years Small Companion
-6 mo Exotics
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What is the difference between 'Veterinary experience' and 'Animal experience with veterinary' here?

Khaoslucario said:
Looking at a masters as an option I for sure would only do it if it was at least 2/3 funded, I also was asking because I enjoy doing research and want to gain more experience in writing/completing long form research and when applying next time i'm also looking at schools that have dual DVM/PhD degrees.
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Khaoslucario said:
Any thoughts on doing a grad program or if its even worth my time? Also I read and was told that a masters is evaluated separately from your undergrad GPA, anyone who has completed one was it effective in moving the needle for GPA purposes?
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I don't know enough about DVM/PhD admissions to know if a getting a master's would really help you there. Like Jayna said, only get a master's in something if you truly would pursue a career in that field should vet school not work out. If you do decide to get a master's, it is extremely important that you know how each school takes a master's degree into consideration. Some schools won't even consider all of the credits you would take to get that degree (Illinois, for example, will only consider 8 credits from your master's, the degree/courses have to meet specific criteria/you have to provide additional information to the school, and those credits are only applied to your science GPA), others let you weigh a master's degree/GPA pretty heavily in comparison.

The idea of a master's degree being a vet school admissions hack is a huge misconception that is seemingly growing recently. It can be beneficial, but only in certain circumstances.
 
You can also consider schools that will remove grades over a certain age or are your first year. Depending on what classes you have retaken, you may not even have retake those classes they dismiss
 
Khaoslucario said:
Hi everyone,

I’m looking for some guidance as a non-traditional applicant wanting to practice mixed animal vet med. This cycle was my first time applying, and I’ve submitted to 7 schools so far. Unfortunately, I’ve received rejections from all but 2, which I’m still waiting to hear from. While I’m not deterred, I want to ensure I’m setting myself up for success moving forward and using my time wisely.

A bit about me:

Education: I graduated with a B.S. in Zoology and a minor in Chemistry in 2019, but my GPA was low. I’m currently finishing a post-baccalaureate A.S. degree in Pre-Vet to help my GPA. However, as a transfer student (CC → UC → back to CC), I have a high unit total. Using the VMCAS GPA calculator, I’ve found that even with 90% A’s in recent science/animal courses and retakes (100% A’s), my overall GPA hasn’t budged much, which has me worried.

Extracurriculars & Leadership:
  • At my UC, I served as Secretary, Vice President, and President of the Pre-Vet Club
  • I was a dual-sport athlete in track and football during my time at the UC
  • I’ve was also actively involved in various clubs, including the Zoology Club, ASL Club, Botany Club, Wrestling Club, and Capoeira Club and did ample volunteer work at shelters, state parks, and around my various communities.
  • More recently, I’ve taken on leadership roles in my current CC’s Pre-Vet Club and UMOJA club. In previous semesters I've worked with our agricultural program, gaining hands-on experience with small and large livestock, poultry, and equine studies. I also counsel/mentor students getting ready to transfer to UC/CSU from the CC level
  • As a single father, I’ve also made time to volunteer at my daughter’s preschool, contributing to the community enjoying fostering my love for education and mentorship.
Updates for Next Cycle: I’ll be finishing my A.S. degree (with honors), retaking additional courses, completing another directed study in the spring and possibly fall, and further solidifying leadership roles.

Given my circumstances, I’m debating between applying again next cycle with these updates or pivoting to a master’s program to strengthen my GPA (especially with the GRE being a non factor). My main concern is whether my high unit total (and it still growing) limits my ability to improve my undergraduate GPA significantly enough to meet vet school thresholds.

Has anyone faced a similar challenge with GPA or unit concerns? Would completing a master’s make me a stronger candidate, or should I reapply next cycle with my improved application?

Thank you in advance for any insights or advice!
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You and I are in a similar boat. I have been an LVT from 2017 to 2023 when I quit my job to go back to school full time. I have been finishing my prereqs for DVM programs while obtaining a bachelors degree. I, too, am struggling with having a lower GPA than I would like. I applied to 9 schools this cycle and have been rejected from all but the three I am waiting to hear from still. We should connect!
 
pp9 said:
Michigan State is another one.

You'd have to calculate by hand according to what each school considers. VMCAS has a calculator you can use on this page, there are also a bajillion other GPA calculators you can find through Google. FWIW, VMCAS will calculate one thing, but that does not mean that is what the schools will calculate. Knowing how schools approach GPAs is key. You may very well end up with 5 different GPA calculations at 5 different schools, for example. If I were you, I'd probably take VMCAS's Excel and make a different tab for each school's considered GPA and go from there.

Honestly, your cGPA may very well be impossible to bump up much without significant time/expense (as in, taking a lottttt of courses and getting 4.0's in all of them). Even by the end of a traditional four year degree, cGPAs start to budge less and less. With the number of course retakes you've done (and it sounds like your retakes have resulted in really high grades), you should also consider schools that replace grades/take the most recent attempt. Some schools average the total attempts at the course. Replacing a 1.5 with a 4.0 is far more impactful than 1.5 + 4.0 / 2 = 2.75, for example.

What is the difference between 'Veterinary experience' and 'Animal experience with veterinary' here?



I don't know enough about DVM/PhD admissions to know if a getting a master's would really help you there. Like Jayna said, only get a master's in something if you truly would pursue a career in that field should vet school not work out. If you do decide to get a master's, it is extremely important that you know how each school takes a master's degree into consideration. Some schools won't even consider all of the credits you would take to get that degree (Illinois, for example, will only consider 8 credits from your master's, the degree/courses have to meet specific criteria/you have to provide additional information to the school, and those credits are only applied to your science GPA), others let you weigh a master's degree/GPA pretty heavily in comparison.

The idea of a master's degree being a vet school admissions hack is a huge misconception that is seemingly growing recently. It can be beneficial, but only in certain circumstances.
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Adding MSU next cycle, I didn't apply this cycle because the Biochem class I was taking ending after the september deadline and I know for MSU you need to have all prerequisites completed before applying.

So I definitely have the right idea and utilized the VMCAS calculator but again this is where my long academic history is messing things up again. Since the VMCAS excel errors out after my bachelors. Everything post bac won't read correctly, including issues with some W's i've had in the past. I think your idea and make different tabs for each school and total the GPA might be my best bet for getting a clearer picture.

This is also what I am thinking and that's what's disheartening, but won't dissuade me the next time I apply I'm taking a deeper look at schools that replace since averaging is absolutely wrecking my chances let alone getting me instantly rejected.

Ahh i should have clarified the difference between 'Veterinary experience' is working in a hospital setting like urgent care, ER, and the like and 'Animal experience with veterinarian' is experience with a vet on staff or overseeing but more like animal husbandry.

With the masters if that's the case like with Illinois then that 8 credits would be very significant towards my GPA crisis while also gaining further credentials (honestly since my post bac is only incrementally helping my GPA and i've spent nearly two years on it, it's really looking like that might be the next step) but I also see this and others points on how this can be more like a side step and less of a step forward...especially with the potential financial burden. Trust me I've wholly understood that this is a huge misconception that a Masters is like some magic potion to fix everything. Color me surprised when im 2 months into my undergrad from transferring and my advisor drops the proverbial bomb on me that you didn't need a bachelors to get into *most vet schools just prerequisites. I'm glad did an undergraduate degree program because it showed me how far off my skills were for being successful in a vet program, but small part of me feels all that time could have been used more efficiently.
 
battie said:
You can also consider schools that will remove grades over a certain age or are your first year. Depending on what classes you have retaken, you may not even have retake those classes they dismiss
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I've retaken, the full chem series (101,102), Stats, Biochem, Genetics (but need to take upper division at at UC because lower division doesn't count), Anatomy, Physiology, Microbiology. If anything i'm planning in the fall of this year to complete the full series of Biology retakes, and try and take Cell Bio. At this point from getting advice from everyone im looking at any deficiencies B- and lower and planning to take a replacement or retake the class outright. I am a much better student now then I was in Undergrad so I just gotta find some why to clearly address that to the admissions committees for the schools I'm applying to. In for a penny in for a pound..
 
kristianne1212 said:
You and I are in a similar boat. I have been an LVT from 2017 to 2023 when I quit my job to go back to school full time. I have been finishing my prereqs for DVM programs while obtaining a bachelors degree. I, too, am struggling with having a lower GPA than I would like. I applied to 9 schools this cycle and have been rejected from all but the three I am waiting to hear from still. We should connect!
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Congrats on earning your LVT! Gotta start off by saying that. The VTNE wasn't the easiest test but you/we did it!!! Yea we are in the same boat if anything I say you might be faring better, since i'm assuming you are still completing your BA/BS? You should be able to make significant corrections while you are still completing it. I wish I had learned that before declaring for graduation but It's okay its 2025 and their is still a pathway ahead. Absolutely we should connect. Ill shoot you a DM
 
Khaoslucario said:
With the masters if that's the case like with Illinois then that 8 credits would be very significant towards my GPA crisis while also gaining further credentials (honestly since my post bac is only incrementally helping my GPA and i've spent nearly two years on it, it's really looking like that might be the next step) but I also see this and others points on how this can be more like a side step and less of a step forward...especially with the potential financial burden. Trust me I've wholly understood that this is a huge misconception that a Masters is like some magic potion to fix everything. Color me surprised when im 2 months into my undergrad from transferring and my advisor drops the proverbial bomb on me that you didn't need a bachelors to get into *most vet schools just prerequisites. I'm glad did an undergraduate degree program because it showed me how far off my skills were for being successful in a vet program, but small part of me feels all that time could have been used more efficiently.
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I don't see how 8 credits towards your science GPA only (which is the case with Illinois) would be significant when you consider how many credits you probably have. I guess you'd have to really hit the books and figure out what every single GPA you could possibly have is (as in, what are your GPAs when you have grades 6+ years old deleted, 1st year deleted, retakes averaged/replacing old grades, etc) to know if those 8 credits would be that significant. Compared to Michigan State, which iirc, takes your master's GPA in place of your 'last 45' if you have enough credits. I think it would be far more impactful to have a potential 4.0 as your last 45 (when that school only considers prereqs and last 45) than to have two 4.0'd 4 credit courses in your science GPA, but that's without knowing what all of your possible academic stats are. Not to say you shouldn't apply to Illinois, but just an example of two schools that approach master's credits very differently.

Imo, if you aren't the fairly uncommon applicant that got all prereqs done within 2 years and then got accepted to vet school on the first try, you should be getting an undergrad degree in a field with decent career prospects. I wouldn't feel too bad about that.
 
Khaoslucario said:
So I definitely have the right idea and utilized the VMCAS calculator but again this is where my long academic history is messing things up again. Since the VMCAS excel errors out after my bachelors. Everything post bac won't read correctly, including issues with some W's i've had in the past. I think your idea and make different tabs for each school and total the GPA might be my best bet for getting a clearer picture.
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Hey I struggled with the VMCAS calculator being super finicky as well so I made my own. Just wanted to share in case it's helpful for you (just make your own copy for privacy purposes). At the end, my application was successfully verified and the all VMCAS GPAs were the same as calculated. (There's another tab specifically for prereq GPAs as well)

Link to GPA Calculator
 
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Khaoslucario said:
Congrats on earning your LVT! Gotta start off by saying that. The VTNE wasn't the easiest test but you/we did it!!! Yea we are in the same boat if anything I say you might be faring better, since i'm assuming you are still completing your BA/BS? You should be able to make significant corrections while you are still completing it. I wish I had learned that before declaring for graduation but It's okay its 2025 and their is still a pathway ahead. Absolutely we should connect. Ill shoot you a DM
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FWIW, I'm a CVT and I've targeted my IS program's pre reqs along with trying to fast track their Associates of Science in 18 months. If you guys want to start a group chat we can! 🙂 I've applied just to my IS this year and I did receive an interview, but I have had to overcome a horrendous GPA prior to going back to school this go-around (started with a 2.4 from previous college experiences).
 
Khaoslucario said:
Adding MSU next cycle, I didn't apply this cycle because the Biochem class I was taking ending after the september deadline and I know for MSU you need to have all prerequisites completed before applying.
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Khaoslucario said:
I've retaken, the full chem series (101,102), Stats, Biochem, Genetics (but need to take upper division at at UC
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  • You should double-check that your MSU pre-requisite GPA will be above a 3.0, otherwise your file won't be reviewed. (MSU admissions policy).
  • I assume UC means University of California. If you look at Davis's lowest sGPA's in their past class histories, they are above your sGPA even with the GRE, which is no longer in place (UCD class statistics). You'd have a better chance by changing your residency to another state.
  • Ilinois also has a GPA cutoff of 3.0 for your cGPA and sGPA (UIUC admissions standards). Their OOS GPA cutoffs have consistently been > 3.6-3.7 in recent years, to the best of my knowledge.
Sorry if this comes across as harsh, these are just the unfortunate realities of admissions nowadays.
 
pp9 said:
I don't see how 8 credits towards your science GPA only (which is the case with Illinois) would be significant when you consider how many credits you probably have. I guess you'd have to really hit the books and figure out what every single GPA you could possibly have is (as in, what are your GPAs when you have grades 6+ years old deleted, 1st year deleted, retakes averaged/replacing old grades, etc) to know if those 8 credits would be that significant. Compared to Michigan State, which iirc, takes your master's GPA in place of your 'last 45' if you have enough credits. I think it would be far more impactful to have a potential 4.0 as your last 45 (when that school only considers prereqs and last 45) than to have two 4.0'd 4 credit courses in your science GPA, but that's without knowing what all of your possible academic stats are. Not to say you shouldn't apply to Illinois, but just an example of two schools that approach master's credits very differently.

Imo, if you aren't the fairly uncommon applicant that got all prereqs done within 2 years and then got accepted to vet school on the first try, you should be getting an undergrad degree in a field with decent career prospects. I wouldn't feel too bad about that.
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That is my plan while I'm on break before winter semester (to really hit the books and figure out what every single GPA you could possibly have is to know if those 8 credits would be that significant, because my cumulative/sGPA with my inflated totals of courses taken, that really is the roadblock towards any progress i've been making and I need to give myself a clearer picture. Prereqs are finished for the most part as of Fall of 2024 but can retake for a better grade like Genetics (got a B at UC but can do better) and finish up some courses like nutrition (which is a prereq for my AS) along with further ANML SC courses but from the advice given schools that replaces are my best bet. Though I'll still apply for Davis and Western since they are my in state. You have been a excellent in giving me great advice and another way to approach my situation instead of getting confused, dejected, or wandering aimlessly. Thank you again
 
miniaturedove said:
Hey I struggled with the VMCAS calculator being super finicky as well so I made my own. Just wanted to share in case it's helpful for you (just make your own copy for privacy purposes). At the end, my application was successfully verified and the all VMCAS GPAs were the same as calculated. (There's another tab specifically for prereq GPAs as well)

Link to GPA Calculator
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Made a copy and will try it out ASAP that should help me figure out any deficiencies or outliers with my classes. I really wish schools did academic renewal, but it is what it is. I've made up for past lapses in my academic journey so now I'll just have to go further and beyond now. Thank you again for the resource and I'll let you know if it was helpful.
 
PixelPenguinz said:
  • You should double-check that your MSU pre-requisite GPA will be above a 3.0, otherwise your file won't be reviewed. (MSU admissions policy).
  • I assume UC means University of California. If you look at Davis's lowest sGPA's in their past class histories, they are above your sGPA even with the GRE, which is no longer in place (UCD class statistics). You'd have a better chance by changing your residency to another state.
  • Ilinois also has a GPA cutoff of 3.0 for your cGPA and sGPA (UIUC admissions standards). Their OOS GPA cutoffs have consistently been > 3.6-3.7 in recent years, to the best of my knowledge.
Sorry if this comes across as harsh, these are just the unfortunate realities of admissions nowadays.
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After my winter semester I should get a clearer updated cumulative sGPA and updated 45 since i'll be taking 16 units this semester all science classes accepted by vet schools and the VMCAS course subject list.

No UC just means I've taken my courses at the university level both upper and lower divisions, CC means at my community college.

Sadly if I could I would but due to life constraints that's not possible so I have to work with the fact my residency will be CA and ill be OOS for other schools.

Yea thats why following yours and others advice need to deep dive on why my GPA isn't increasing or what I can do to rid myself my lackluster undergrad by looking at programs that either replace or holistically look at my body of work/last 45 for a better chance.

You aren't being harsh, if that's harsh i'd take that any day over what i've heard in the past. It's very concise, real, and most of all informative. Rather than telling me its a lost cause you are adding positively to the conversation and I really appreciate that.
 
AppyDust said:
Iowa state university uses the most recent grade on repeated courses rather than averaging grades. I had several science courses I repeated and with grade replacement they calculated my science gpa much higher than anywhere else did.

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I checked them out, Iowa for me is an iffy choice sadly, I do meet their
Especially with the courses I'm taking this spring but need to do more research.
 
You can add that course as planned on VMCAS for the fall term after you apply
 
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