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Interesting...I might try combining this strategy w/ some flashcard software as a study technique once I start med school. It would be pretty amazing to not have forgotten anything by the time I get to Step 1.

Although maybe the limit to this technique for med school is the amount of time we'll have to actually go back and re-study old material when we're constantly getting a barrage of new material.

Any med students have any thoughts on this?
 
Downloading....Downloading....


Never had problem memorizing anything (I learned English as Second Language after all 🙂 ) but let see how this work.
 
I dont get it....it is basically a flashcard maker? x.x...
 
According to the article, the program should allow you to make and prioritize some flash cards, then it'll notify you when to review which cards. Sounds like an interesting idea. Instead of taking the time to download the program, though, I think I'll more appropriately use the time to study. If you beat me to the Nobel Prize, we'll know the program works
 
thanks for posting. Sounds like an extreme system that would be hard to really fully follow given all the constraints on your time in medical school, but an interesting idea nonetheless.
 
Great article. Anyone tried this yet? If there is a mobile version of the software, we'll be set.

There is a version for Palm. I don't have a Palm tho' so I'm just using their version of PC. Will report back on how it's going! There IS a tiny bit of a learning curve with the software, but not TOO bad.
 
Tooooo LONGG!!!

Yeah, I know 🙁 But I thought it was so well-written! heh It was like reading a story. Anyway, just skip down to their little graph of the "forgetting curve"... that's the crux of how the software works. Pretty cool, huh?
 
That's pretty neat. It doesn't seem practical to keep reviewing the massive amount of material you learn as a first year, though. You would spend just as much time reviewing as you would learning new material.
 
I think it speaks about a concept we've long tried to perfect but have never found out how. I realize that it's all about consistent/constant reminders and so I am curious. I will have to "purchase" this and see.
 
That's pretty neat. It doesn't seem practical to keep reviewing the massive amount of material you learn as a first year, though. You would spend just as much time reviewing as you would learning new material.
Not necessarily. Rememorizing something you're familiar with would be easier than initially. I agree, though, that it woould be time-consuming,
 
That's pretty neat. It doesn't seem practical to keep reviewing the massive amount of material you learn as a first year, though. You would spend just as much time reviewing as you would learning new material.


The thing is though, there's a finite amount of material from first year to master. And things that are initially totally new like "what is sagittal" becomes second nature later on. I assume with the vast majority of basic science knowledge/tidbits, as they get used in 2nd yr & beyond, they'll work their way into longterm memory. So there's less left to really consciously "review".

The more obscure/less used factoids (which would get tested in Step 1) would be the only things left to really master using SuperMemo. And even those more obscure factoids will eventually work themselves into longterm memory as long as SuperMemo is followed. Also, the reminders aren't constant- first review might be 3 days from now, 2nd might be a wk... after a while, you might not even need to review a fact for 6 months or a yr. So it's really not a lot of work/time spent reviewing. The end goal being, total encoding into longterm memory = awesome.

Of course, this is all "in theory" 😉
 
I did not read the entire article (because it is so lengthy), but I am very familiar with the software.

I used this supermemo system to learn how to read chinese (after developing a grammatical foundation mysef, of course); and for learning to read foreign languages, specifically, it works remarkably. For anyone who is interested in using it for that purpose and wants ideas/suggestions, feel free to let me know, because I have been extremely succesful with it.

The problem is that memorization is not very useful for most things outside of language learning. I feel as though most scientific things (barring some topics in biology) do not need to be memorized - if you understand underlying mechanisms you generally won't forget things. Perhaps this changes in medical school (I have heard many people say that medical school deals much more with memorization - I hope this isn't true). But for undergraduate classes in engineering or chemistry, things like this have little use.
 
I did not read the entire article (because it is so lengthy), but I am very familiar with the software.

I used this supermemo system to learn how to read chinese (after developing a grammatical foundation mysef, of course); and for learning to read foreign languages, specifically, it works remarkably. For anyone who is interested in using it for that purpose and wants ideas/suggestions, feel free to let me know, because I have been extremely succesful with it.

The problem is that memorization is not very useful for most things outside of language learning. I feel as though most scientific things (barring some topics in biology) do not need to be memorized - if you understand underlying mechanisms you generally won't forget things. Perhaps this changes in medical school (I have heard many people say that medical school deals much more with memorization - I hope this isn't true). But for undergraduate classes in engineering or chemistry, things like this have little use.

Yes and no. It really depends on the subject. In fact, it depends on the specific type of information even within a subject. Here are some examples: in physics (thermodynamics) you have a bunch of differential equations that directly depend on what variables you keep constant and which you choose to be independent (such as volume and temperature). Is it useful to remember these formulas? No. So in terms of that, you are right. But what about the first law of thermodynamics which can be condensed to dq=dw+du? That is actually useful. You can also use words to describe it. Another example is to remember every book you ever read, such as philosophy or psychology. You can also condense interesting research articles. How about information you hear on TV, such as The Science channel? Anyway, the point is that this system is useful for much more than just language. I used to have a notebook for every subject (and still have them) and would write down my notes for every book I ever read. Then I quit that process recently and started taking all my notes electronically. The problem with the latter was that due to the sheer volume of information, I could never keep track as to what notes I had reviewed and what I had not reviewed. This is why even though I just got this program, I already know that it is going to be very useful simply because I already knew what I needed, but I did not know that such software exists.

As you can see, you can do a lot besides language. I bet that anatomy and pharmacology in medschool would be perfect to study with this software. You can also really build your English vocabulary. Plus you can import images, webpages, articles, etc, etc. I am not sure you have fully utilized this software.

The latest version of this software, which is Supermemo 2006 v.13.03, has a lot of improvements over the 2004 and older versions. However, the 2006 version costs $45 or something like that, though you could find a "free" copy of v.13.02 on the net. I also found out that there is a mobile version for Windows Mobile smartphones. This one might really be worth it since you can do this anywhere, even during boring lectures. The $19 price tag is more digestible. Plus I don't think you can find this version for free.
 
Yes and no. It really depends on the subject. In fact, it depends on the specific type of information even within a subject. Here are some examples: in physics (thermodynamics) you have a bunch of differential equations that directly depend on what variables you keep constant and which you choose to be independent (such as volume and temperature). Is it useful to remember these formulas? No. So in terms of that, you are right. But what about the first law of thermodynamics which can be condensed to dq=dw+du? That is actually useful. You can also use words to describe it. Another example is to remember every book you ever read, such as philosophy or psychology. You can also condense interesting research articles. How about information you hear on TV, such as The Science channel? Anyway, the point is that this system is useful for much more than just language. I used to have a notebook for every subject (and still have them) and would write down my notes for every book I ever read. Then I quit that process recently and started taking all my notes electronically. The problem with the latter was that due to the sheer volume of information, I could never keep track as to what notes I had reviewed and what I had not reviewed. This is why even though I just got this program, I already know that it is going to be very useful simply because I already knew what I needed, but I did not know that such software exists.

As you can see, you can do a lot besides language. I bet that anatomy and pharmacology in medschool would be perfect to study with this software. You can also really build your English vocabulary. Plus you can import images, webpages, articles, etc, etc. I am not sure you have fully utilized this software.

The latest version of this software, which is Supermemo 2006 v.13.03, has a lot of improvements over the 2004 and older versions. However, the 2006 version costs $45 or something like that, though you could find a "free" copy of v.13.02 on the net. I also found out that there is a mobile version for Windows Mobile smartphones. This one might really be worth it since you can do this anywhere, even during boring lectures. The $19 price tag is more digestible. Plus I don't think you can find this version for free.

For anyone using Palm, here are some free flashcards for SuperMemo palm a med student made:
http://www.reavesmd.com/blog/flashcards/
 
not impressed, but thanks for the read.
 
Trust me guys, this program is total crap. It doesn't work at all....
 
I have a couple of problems with this software:
As stated earlier it kind of assumes you have only 1 list of a bunch of specific things you need to learn. What it doesn't take into account is that students are receiving new information by the CRAPLOAD. I know the frequency gets less as you go along, but picture it this way. In math you learn a new section everyday, in bio you learn a new section everyday, and in your other 2 or 3 classes the same will go. So by the end of the quarter you're going to have hundreds of "memorization curves" to keep up with.
Second, it assumes two other things. One is that everyone takes the same amount of time to store a set amount of information. Maybe I'm mistaken but aren't there a lot of environmental factors that go into this (like how much sleep you get :laugh:)? The second thing it assumes is that we live in some sort of a vacuum where everything goes according to plan. There's going to be tons of times where I'm not going to be able to follow it's path as I would like to.
That being said, it kind of does advocate a good study policy: keep doing it. And I can definitely see how it would be useful for something like anatomy!
 
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Sounds like a gimmick. You're probably better off figuring out a more efficient way for YOU to study, not letting a program decide that for you.
 
Sounds like a gimmick. You're probably better off figuring out a more efficient way for YOU to study, not letting a program decide that for you.

What he said. How could a software algorithm possibly calculate the probability that you would forget something?
 
What he said. How could a software algorithm possibly calculate the probability that you would forget something?

The "forgetting curve" is an experimental finding.

I'm lazy, so here's Wikipedia's explanation:

"The forgetting curve illustrates the decline of memory retention in time. A related concept is the strength of memory that refers to the durability that memory traces in the brain. The stronger the memory, the longer period of time that a person is able to recall it. A typical graph of the forgetting curve shows that humans tend to halve their memory of newly learned knowledge in a matter of days or weeks unless they consciously review the learned material.

In 1885, Hermann Ebbinghaus discovered the exponential nature of forgetting. The following formula can roughly describe the forgetting:
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where R is memory retention, S is the relative strength of memory, and t is time.


The first significant study in this area was carried out by Hermann Ebbinghaus and published in 1885 as Über das Gedächtnis (later translated into English as Memory: A Contribution to Experimental Psychology). Ebbinghaus studied the memorisation of nonsense syllables, such as "WID" and "ZOF". By repeatedly testing himself after various time periods and recording the results, he was the first to describe the shape of the forgetting curve."

Read more yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgetting_curve

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If memory retention can be modeled by R, then it is indeed possible to program a software that can predict when you are 90% likely to remember something (i.e. 10% likely to forget it).



Everyone should take a few psych courses, imo. Highly useful! Also, there are many psychological principles/findings from experimental psychology that are at first quite counter-intuitive, but quite useful to know.
 
I just wish I could remember something from last night.

FML.
 
The "forgetting curve" is an experimental finding.

I'm lazy, so here's Wikipedia's explanation:

"The forgetting curve illustrates the decline of memory retention in time. A related concept is the strength of memory that refers to the durability that memory traces in the brain. The stronger the memory, the longer period of time that a person is able to recall it. A typical graph of the forgetting curve shows that humans tend to halve their memory of newly learned knowledge in a matter of days or weeks unless they consciously review the learned material.

In 1885, Hermann Ebbinghaus discovered the exponential nature of forgetting. The following formula can roughly describe the forgetting:
626a5ccab217d3b9a673826d3e9aad72.png
where R is memory retention, S is the relative strength of memory, and t is time.


The first significant study in this area was carried out by Hermann Ebbinghaus and published in 1885 as Über das Gedächtnis (later translated into English as Memory: A Contribution to Experimental Psychology). Ebbinghaus studied the memorisation of nonsense syllables, such as "WID" and "ZOF". By repeatedly testing himself after various time periods and recording the results, he was the first to describe the shape of the forgetting curve."

Read more yourself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgetting_curve

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If memory retention can be modeled by R, then it is indeed possible to program a software that can predict when you are 90% likely to remember something (i.e. 10% likely to forget it).



Everyone should take a few psych courses, imo. Highly useful! Also, there are many psychological principles/findings from experimental psychology that are at first quite counter-intuitive, but quite useful to know.
And another good thing about this software is that it knows what you have reviewed and what you have not reviewed. As I mentioned, one of the problems with the large number of electronic notes that I have right now is that I cannot know what portion of the text I have reviewed and when. The only way I see accomplishing this is if I highlight every single part of the text I review so that next time I avoid the highlighted material. But since this program is more efficient in that area, it should work much better than Word.

If you have to review data every 10 days, then it means that the theoretical limit of this software (and perhaps human memory) is the amount of information that would take to review in 10 days. Since no one is going to spend 10-20 hrs a day reviewing, I am assuming that the comfortable limit will be just 10 hours worth of review (1 hr/day, 10 days). In that case there must be some form of human control. For example, you create the flashcard/database for psychology and review it for a week or two. Then you leave that database saved somewhere and instead use your time to review for the MCAT. Then, let's say you are preparing a lecture or for some other event where you think psychology will come in handy - all you do is open the old database and review psychology for a few days or weeks. This should work fine and bypass all the limits. The only issue with this software is that you have to spend time to enter the database in a clever format. Each piece of information requires a good question.
 
This is why cramming is so important. Not only should you review every once in a while (keyword should), but cram as much as you can just to make sure everything is in the "90-100%" chance of remembering category.

This was my favorite quote from the [part of the] article I read:

I find myself thinking of a checklist Wozniak wrote a few years ago describing how to become a genius. His advice was straightforward yet strangely terrible: You must clarify your goals, gain knowledge through spaced repetition, preserve health, work steadily, minimize stress, refuse interruption, and never resist sleep when tired. This should lead to radically improved intelligence and creativity. The only cost: turning your back on every convention of social life. It is a severe prescription.

1. Too bad residencies don't promote his prescription of "being a genius".

2. Painfully true, coming from a mega-genius like me. 🙄
 
I just wish I could remember something from last night.

FML.

I wish I could forget something. fml

Wonder if this guy can explain why the biggest mistakes are the hardest to forget. 👎
 
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