Wash U/Mallinckrodt Radiology Program Director is worst in Country

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This message is part of the #not my program director campaign#. It's well established that Mallinckrodt is an incredibly malignant program. Not because of long hours or busy clinical service-no, not at all. Program malignancy is based upon the weakest faculty (who also happen to be the most malignant) mistreating/abusing residents. The worst part is Dr. Gould enables these malignant faculty to continue their actions and behavior and even enable their abuse many of the time. She faults the resident every single time because they are more vulnerable, and its much easier to punish residents than to seek solutions. She is a part time interventionalist who knows nothing about diagnostic radiology or how the reading room operates. She has not dictated a single diagnostic examination since residency. How it's legal for her to be in charge of a diagnostic residency program is baffling. Imagine if a surgeon were program director of an internal medicine residency program. It simply does not work. This problem is everyone's responsibility, and unfortunately at this time we must remain anonymous because Dr. Gould still has the power to retaliate severely. The best thing about Mallinckrodt are the co-residents-just wonderful people. The worst thing about Mallinckrodt is its program director: incompetent, wholly incapable of leading the program, and frankly, not a radiologist. The Mallinckrodt residents deserve much, much better than Dr. Gould. Many excellent dx rads for new PD. Dr. Wahl, please pay attention to this. Mallinckrodt is already regarded as a second rate training program due to its malignancy and its terrible program director. If you do not take care to resolve this issue, we will no longer be able to support the program-meaning, we will speak the truth to applicants and potential new residents.

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While it is fair to be skeptical of anonymous accusations, the power differential and risk to the resident is such that there is no other way.

If you are familiar with this program, can you speak to the substance of the post?

I agree with everything you said. A resident, fellow, or recent grad would burn that bridge if they came out and flamed the program. That being said most times when there is a "terrible malignant program" it's actually a difficult resident. Not always but most times.

I interviewed at WashU for residency. I didn't like St. Louis but was impressed by the program. The residents seemed like they did get worked hard.

I ended up at a different program known for working the residents hard. It definitely sucked but in the end all the residents benfitted.
 
No knowledge of malignancy but can tell you I wasn't impressed with her as a PD when I interviewed. She showed up late to her PD overview presentation, blazed through her slides, then left early to go to IR clinic, and didn't interview any applicants. Didn't see another PD on the trail who was less interested in the incoming class they were recruiting.
 
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I did my residency and fellowship from MIR. Its still not clear to me why the poster would do this. If you are a slacker then of course you will cry at MIR. Probably all your coresidents are competent so you could not vent in front of them, because you will look bad so you took a cowardly approach and started posting online.
This is so bad. If you have any problem with PD, you can tell GME and they will help you if you have genuine issue.
As far as attendings are concerned, no one is malignant. They love to teach and I owe a lot to those wonderful attendings. They wake up early to give you 7 am conference and teach you. They give you noon conference. Then ton of teaching at view box. I doubt your posting has any credibility. If you did not get your desired vacation you just lashed out like a baby and posted this review. Grow up. You are not kid any more.

I hope you will transfer to another program so you will not ruin MIR name in the future.
 
No knowledge of malignancy but can tell you I wasn't impressed with her as a PD when I interviewed. She showed up late to her PD overview presentation, blazed through her slides, then left early to go to IR clinic, and didn't interview any applicants. Didn't see another PD on the trail who was less interested in the incoming class they were recruiting.

One important note--the MIR program director does not interview the applicants, because there is a separate person in the residency program leadership who actually chairs the selection committee and who does the interviewing and ranking and whatnot. Sorry that you felt she was disinterested. I hope you put that feedback in your residency feedback survey.

I did residency at MIR and am now out in private practice, so I can add some perspective. These issues the OP is describing seem very personal and it's tough to take them at face value when you aren't hearing the other side of the story. So take it with a grain of salt. Personally, I had no issues with the PD at MIR but I wouldn't say I had a very close relationship with her -- the program is big, and once you get settled in you are hooked up with (or gravitate towards) a faculty mentor or set of folks who really serve as your advocates and get to know you well. The people slamming the current PD have such short memories. This is the PD who fought tooth and nail with the hospital to get radiology resident moonlighting available (for years, a big part of the "Con" column for MIR was "no moonlighting"...go look up the old Aunt Minnie reviews). Moonlighting has only expanded further from that point.

MIR residency training is fantastic, and I think radiology residents lose perspective on what "malignancy" is in residency training. We never touched work hour restrictions, our call was fair, and we had the benefit and responsibility of running the radiology department without attending coverage after hours. Not a lot of places still do that, and it's irreplaceable in my opinion for training. Yeah sure the call shift hours are kinda long and call was often quite a beatdown, but being in practice now I'm glad I went through it and I came out with a positive experience overall. Raddoc54321 is right--the faculty care a LOT about your success and are investing heavily in your training. But they want you to take the initiative, show interest, be positive, and work hard.

I mean, at this point, who doesn't know what they're getting into with MIR? You'd be going to St Louis (deal breaker for some/many), you're going to get fantastic clinical training, you'd have tons of research opportunities, and you'll be subjected to anonymous forum complaints every 4-5 years about how your program is really mean.
 
Like some of the other people who have responded, I am also a radiologist who trained at MIR both for my diagnostic radiology residency and for my fellowship. I also feel that the initial poster has provided an inaccurate representation of the program and an unfair characterization of its program director. I wanted to provide my own response.

Let me preface this description of Mallinckrodt by saying up front that I consider myself and I bet others would consider me to have been an average MIR resident. I was no superstar by any means, but I worked hard and was eager to learn, and took my resident responsibilities seriously.

I do not consider MIR to be a “malignant program”. In fact, I remember multiple times hearing or reading that label during my training, and wondering why that was the case. When I hear the term “malignant program”, I think of surgery or OB programs where the trainees work incredibly long hours, are exhausted throughout their training years, are indirectly encouraged to fudge their work hours, and all the while the attendings constantly ridicule you and habitually remind you that they had it much harder in their day.

With that being said, it can be challenging to be an MIR resident. You will work hard. There are no two ways about it. But let’s be honest. This is a top tier residency program in a competitive specialty. You aren’t applying to MIR if you are undecided about your career path or you just want a cushy residency that you can coast through for four years. You are applying to this particular program because you are bright/cream-of-the-crop, you like radiology and want to get the best training possible, and you want to put yourself in a position where you have the best chance to get the job of your choice when you are done.

The MIR faculty is the cornerstone of what makes this program so outstanding, and why this program produces high-level graduates consistently. The faculty takes enormous pride in their contribution to the quality care of their patients. They also take their teaching obligations very seriously, and are fantastic at it. They provide daily morning conferences, noon conferences, and occasionally even evening conferences after work (for board preparation). Their lectures are routinely on par with or exceed the quality of any lecture you will hear at meetings around the country. They are constantly teaching in the reading room as they go over cases with you, reaffirming your current knowledge base or adding to it. They put in a lot of work preparing their conferences, and making sure each resident has the best chance to succeed. In return, they have the very reasonable expectation that their residents show the same dedication, and desire to learn and improve. It’s a two way street. If you want to encourage them to put in their best effort, you need to do the same. That means showing up on time to conferences and to the reading room. That means picking up the phone when it rings in the reading room, and facilitating consults with clinicians or fielding questions from technicians. That means paying attention during readout and making the necessary corrections to your reports that reflect what your attending discussed with you. These efforts on your part will be noticed immediately, appreciated, and reciprocated.

For the most part, the faculty are also remarkably down-to-earth, humble, and supportive. A few may seem more aloof or stern, but that would be the case anywhere. In fact, I remember interviewing at programs around the country, and distinctly appreciating how low-key the MIR faculty seemed given the caliber of the program and the hospital. I have a number of attendings who I still consider mentors and who I still stay in touch with today.

However, while I cherish my experience at MIR, I know a few residents felt differently about the place. For starters, the atmosphere can be intimidating. It’s a huge program filled with brilliant people. For people who are used to standing out in medical school, they may suddenly find themselves as an average resident here. That can be humbling and take some time to get used to, and sometimes you may FEEL like you are being overlooked even when you are not. . It can also be nerve-wracking taking cases in conferences in front of 10 people let alone 100 people, and you can be worried about looking foolish. But you know everyone is going to get stuff wrong at some point, and everyone develops a good sense of humor about it. While the vast majority of residents flourished here, a small minority of trainees struggled to keep up, even though they worked hard, and despite the best efforts of the attendings. This is unfortunate, but is not limited to MIR and would happen anywhere.

I was not aware of any intentional bullying for the purpose of making a trainee feel bad or punish someone. No one has time for that. That is definitely NOT the culture. Some trainees had an entitled attitude, expecting big things from others but not holding themselves to the same standards. If a trainee developed a reputation for slacking or dodging work, what I found most telling was that the peers of that resident often had the same opinion of that person as the attendings. It’s a workplace. We can all tell when someone isn’t doing their part, and none of us appreciate getting dumped on.

When it comes to Jennifer Gould, she was the program director when I was there, and did an admirable job for a frankly relatively thankless position. I find it hard to believe she would not take any resident complaint regarding abusive behavior by an attending seriously, especially if there are multiple complaints regarding that same attending. Furthermore, she isn’t the only person one can talk to. There are multiple assistant program directors who deal closely with the trainees. Then there are the section heads of each section, whose doors are always open, and all of them would take resident abuse incredibly seriously. If a junior attending was behaving unprofessionally, believe me they would squash this immediately.

I hope people find this helpful. I am extremely grateful for the opportunity I had to train at MIR. My appreciation continues to grow for the quality of training I received, which I consider second to none. I would hate to see others miss out on the same opportunity, because of a false representation of the program, its personnel, or its culture.
 
Hi future radiologists ,

I am a current PGY6 integrated IR/DR chief resident at Mallinckrodt and feel compelled to respond to this post with my own very different experience as a trainee here. I chose to come to Mallinckrodt because it seemed like the program that would provide the best both diagnostic and interventional radiology training in a collegial atmosphere. Now that I've nearly completed my training, I can confirm that my first impression of Mallinckrodt was correct.

First of all, I'd like to address the rumor that Mallinckrodt is "malignant." We probably work a few more hours per week than the average radiology program (approximately 50 hours/week on average on DR, slightly more on IR). We see an impressive range of pathology and learn by doing. We are given appropriate, graduated autonomy, including independent night float, which the vast majority of the residents would agree is one of our most valuable educational experiences. We naturally learn to handle high volume. We are given two conferences each day by world-class educators, many of which are case conferences, which I would argue is the best way to learn radiology. We are treated well and become friends with most of our attendings. Our work is appreciated. Sometimes our comfort zones are pushed, but that makes us better. Also, I went through a personal struggle during mid residency, and I felt supported by the program (residents and faculty) during that time. Don't worry about being on an island alone if you come here.

Jennifer Gould, the DR program director, does an amazing job keeping everyone organized. She runs the largest program in the country, and we can always count on her to make appropriate schedules and to keep us updated with residency requirements. She is responsive to email and addresses resident concerns when they come up. She was instrumental in getting us contrast coverage moonlighting because we continued to complain about not having it (internal moonlighting started when I was an R2). COVID has made her job even more demanding, and she has stepped up to the plate. She cares about this program and the residents. It is impossible for her to be super close with everyone given the size of the program, but quite frankly that is not her job as the PD. Everyone develops close relationships with different faculty depending on personality and interests.

Dr. Gould's position as an IR faculty member has nothing to do with her ability to run a radiology program. IR is, after all, part of general radiology training just like any other subspecialty. And not that it matters, but Dr. Gould has the reputation of being one of the strongest diagnostic radiology residents in Mallinckrodt history.

Just an FYI, and this was touched on above, we have an interview committee chairperson (different from Dr. Gould) who is in charge of recruitment season. That's why you may feel you don't have as much exposure to Dr. Gould during interviews, but it's only because the program is too large for one person to cover all the responsibilities alone.

I hope that any medical students who are concerned by the negative post about Mallinckrodt will apply and get to know us. Our program is a great option for you!
 
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Ah yes...I knew it would happen.

Brand new user registers to s*** on a program/school.
2 or 3 established users respond to say "there's always another side to the story"
2 or 3 established users respond to say "we have to protect residents and expose programs like this"
2 or 3 new users register because someone told them about the OP, to come here and bash the OP/support the program school.

4 days seems like a pretty typical timeframe.

Can we just close this now?
 
Hey guys, I am currently an R4/PGY5 at Mallinckrodt. I don't ever post on here but after I saw this post about MIR and our program, I felt I had to post to help prevent any false information about MIR being spread.

I am not sure who thinks of MIR as "second rate training program" but its not people who trained here. The reason I applied here and hoped I would match here is because of its first rate reputation as a training program largely in part to the faculty that train us. The thought of "malignant" has never crossed my mind during my time here at MIR. Am I taken out of my comfort zone during conferences and at the work station so I can maximize my learning? Absolutely, but I would never call this place malignant. The attendings here treat us as colleagues and friends. Mallinckrodt is a phenomenal training program for so many reasons but the one that stands out to me is our true independent call which allows residents to function as "the radiologist" for the adult hospital and the children's hospital without any attending awake or at the hospital.

Dr. Gould our program director does a fantastic job in keeping our program held together. She devotes most of her time to making sure things our running smoothly and without issue and her door is always open to hear about any issues from residents. I have never doubted that she cares about this program or the residents. On top of that she is a great radiologist is very good at what she does. After working with her on the interventional service, I know she is a great teacher as well.

This is all to say I am sorry that the OP had a negative personal experience and I hope that it can be resolved but MIR is a top notch training program that has so much to offer including a great environment to learn in.
 
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