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I was surprised at what I found in the mail today...

I got a letter and a brochure for Washington University (unsolicited). The letter said "Congratulations on your strong showing on the April 2004 MCAT. Based on your terrific performance, I decided to write you..."

Too bad I'm already doing early decision at the U of MN 😉


It looks like a form letter. Who else on here got one of these letters? How do they know my MCAT score?
 
what was your mcat score? (if you don't want to say that's fine...i'm just curious what range of scores they send the letter to.)
 
futuremsfdoc said:
what was your mcat score? (if you don't want to say that's fine...i'm just curious what range of scores they send the letter to.)

I got a 36Q

Do you know how they would know my score?
 
When you say yes to some of the questions on the mcat before you take it, any school can see what you got. So if you get a 24, you will get mail from carribean schools, it happened to a friend of mine. They must send out mail to everyone above a certain score. WashU has always been big into recruiting...they sent me tons of stuff as a sophmore in HS, even more after I took the ACT, I have no clue how they found me.
 
adamj61 said:
When you say yes to some of the questions on the mcat before you take it, any school can see what you got. So if you get a 24, you will get mail from carribean schools, it happened to a friend of mine. They must send out mail to everyone above a certain score. WashU has always been big into recruiting...they sent me tons of stuff as a sophmore in HS, even more after I took the ACT, I have no clue how they found me.

crazy stalkers! I've heard that Washington U is really into stats (GPA, MCAT)...
 
dnelsen said:
I got a 36Q
Do you know how they would know my score?

I received that same letter on Thursday. Of course, I had applied to WashU on my AMCAS. I thought that they had just downloaded my application from AMCAS and sent me a form letter, but apparently this isn't the case.

I received a 36O on the MCAT. I just submitted my AMCAS application last Tuesday and it is still only "active". I figured that I received the letter because they saw my interest in their school and were able to see my MCAT score because of that interest, before it was verified. Now I'm kind of curious about it
 
We don't need to start the number ***** debate, but they love to recruit...they just want the best of the best. Unfortunately, my ACT was 3 points higher than my mcat :laugh: I still think I have an outside shot at WashU, they love UW applicants and the research background
 
what a stupid letter. funny thing is, they send the same booklet with the form letter that they send to everyone who applies. what should i do with two?

i understand that they feel the need to recruit due to having less "visibility" than the coastal schools, but they put NO thought at all into this. consider this: the idiots actually sent me the MCAT form letter (which, as we all know, asks you to apply) after they cashed my check for their secondary fee. with *minimal* computer databasing, they could at least avoid sending this sh/t out to people who have already applied. 🙄
 
agreed, they waste a lot of money on postage and booklets...but when you get that much cash from the government...who wouldnt 🙄
 
washu sent me that damn letter last november! my mom is making me apply there "out of respect for the letter" like i was the only one who got it 🙄

but it is a good recuitment strategy, i never even heard of washu before!
 
superdevil said:
what a stupid letter. funny thing is, they send the same booklet with the form letter that they send to everyone who applies. what should i do with two?

i understand that they feel the need to recruit due to having less "visibility" than the coastal schools, but they put NO thought at all into this. consider this: the idiots actually sent me the MCAT form letter (which, as we all know, asks you to apply) after they cashed my check for their secondary fee. with *minimal* computer databasing, they could at least avoid sending this sh/t out to people who have already applied. 🙄

What's really funny is that I received a second packet with that same booklet from WashU today, this time because I'm an URM with a decent MCAT score. If I am invited to complete a secondary application for WashU, can I look forward to a third booklet from them? When will the madness end?

I think I'm going to see just how many of the books I can get from them this application round. I'm shooting for 5.
 
superdevil said:
consider this: the idiots actually sent me the MCAT form letter (which, as we all know, asks you to apply) after they cashed my check for their secondary fee. with *minimal* computer databasing, they could at least avoid sending this sh/t out to people who have already applied. 🙄

Wow, now that is really sad. Makes them look really stupid!
 
Originally Posted by Croatalus_atrox
I think I'm going to see just how many of the books I can get from them this application round. I'm shooting for 5.

at the rate they're going, five sounds reasonable. oh, and yes, you can at least look foward to getting that third booklet when you apply.

they're silly, silly people, but i wouldn't mind joining them 😉
 
HAHA, sometimes those mail soliciations come before you actually get your MCATs score back. so if you sudenly start getting stuff from random Islands or America's finest schools of Podiatric Medicine, or even PA schools, it might cause for worry.

its a business. they all know we're suckers for some care and attention. a letter from wash u, makes you warm and fuzzy, you won't even second guess sending them that nice check for the secondary.
 
Washu sent me the same thing, I actually logged in to check it out. It kinda pissed me off because Washu is the bonaified numbers school and I already knew that I didn't even have a chance because my GPA is only 3.44. Does anyone else have problems with a school sending information to those with only a certain MCAT score? Maybe it's just me.
 
dnelsen said:
I was surprised at what I found in the mail today...

I got a letter and a brochure for Washington University (unsolicited). The letter said "Congratulations on your strong showing on the April 2004 MCAT. Based on your terrific performance, I decided to write you..."

Too bad I'm already doing early decision at the U of MN 😉


It looks like a form letter. Who else on here got one of these letters? How do they know my MCAT score?


i got a similar letter from a different university back when i was applying to medical school
 
Yeah, wash u does this every year and although something about it doesn't really rub me the right way....I really think it is a good recruiting strategy just because they don't have the market saturation of the coastal schools (everyone knows harvard, johns hopkins, yale, stanford, etc). Case in point, after I got their letter last year I checked them out (as many of you claim to have done) and I'm glad I did.

Word to the wise though, don't assume that the letter guarantee's an interview...a friend of mine had a 36, got the letter, and didn't get an interview.
 
What's up with them sending the letter so late? I feel I was fairly late in submitting my AMCAS application on July 15th and this letter just came today (July 24th). Haven't the majority of applicants already submitted their apps?
 
velocypedalist said:
Word to the wise though, don't assume that the letter guarantee's an interview...a friend of mine had a 36, got the letter, and didn't get an interview.

Yeah I'm not going to apply, I really don't think I have a chance.

dnelsen said:
What's up with them sending the letter so late? I feel I was fairly late in submitting my AMCAS application on July 15th and this letter just came today (July 24th). Haven't the majority of applicants already submitted their apps?

No, I don't think so. But you are so late you might as well not even apply😉 by SDN standards.
 
I got a 35S last year and got the same letter from WashU. If you weren't going to apply there anyway, don't bother. They send that letter to anyone that does withing their range of MCAT. I got rejected within a week of sending them my $100 and was really pissed off that I fell for their scam. I doubt it was something in my app that sent a red flag since I interviewed at some other great schools (not trying to brag- just trying to answer the question you were probably thinking.)

Anyway, I seem to remember this happening and coming up last year in a forum that a similar thing happened to someone else and they wrote a letter to WashU to complain. Its one thing to reject after an interview, but its quite another to ask someone to apply and then reject them before meeting them in person. This person claimed that WashU returned their application fee to them which was a nice gesture.
 
yeah, i got the same letter from them too. what a clever ploy, it almost gives you a false sense of security that they like you, causing you to submit your amcas to their school ...

they're ranked pretty high, aren't they?
 
JohnnieBlue said:
I got a 35S last year and got the same letter from WashU. If you weren't going to apply there anyway, don't bother. They send that letter to anyone that does withing their range of MCAT. I got rejected within a week of sending them my $100 and was really pissed off that I fell for their scam. I doubt it was something in my app that sent a red flag since I interviewed at some other great schools (not trying to brag- just trying to answer the question you were probably thinking.)

Anyway, I seem to remember this happening and coming up last year in a forum that a similar thing happened to someone else and they wrote a letter to WashU to complain. Its one thing to reject after an interview, but its quite another to ask someone to apply and then reject them before meeting them in person. This person claimed that WashU returned their application fee to them which was a nice gesture.

Wow, getting an app fee returned, that is awesome! Goes to show that there are real people behind bureaucracies. Maybe I'll ask for some of my money back if I get rejected too soon :laugh: :laugh: Just kidding.
 
JohnnieBlue said:
I got rejected within a week of sending them my $100...

I believe the application fee was $55 last year. Where did you come up with $100? Check your facts.
 
pauleuglis said:
I believe the application fee was $55 last year. Where did you come up with $100? Check your facts.

he must do what i do. it doesn't matter what they ask for. i regularly slip in more money in large non-sequential bills, promising more should an interview and acceptance be granted.
 
pauleuglis said:
I believe the application fee was $55 last year. Where did you come up with $100? Check your facts.

You may be right, I filled out so many darn apps that its hard to keep track. Also, it was over a year ago, but I think 55 or 100, it was wrong of them to do.
 
They did the same thing last year, and so did some other schools. I got about 15-20 of these type of letters or packets from everything from top 10 schools to pharm, pod, and dental schools. Don't know how they got my name.
 
pauleuglis said:
I believe the application fee was $55 last year. Where did you come up with $100? Check your facts.

yup, I only remember giving them $55...actually it was my cheapest 2ndary, and a breeze to fill out! 🙂
 
It's their strategy across the board. What's even more annoying is the practice of their law school. They basically send out tons of recruitmit material to people they're not at all interested in. I've heard of people being rejected the day their application fee arrived in the mail. With law schools, acceptance rate plays a bigger factor in US News rankings. Their other strategy is to toss obscene amounts of money at strong candidates in hopes of buying their way up the rankings. It seems to have worked.

Their methods are suspect, but give the school its due respects.
 
dnelsen said:
I was surprised at what I found in the mail today...

I got a letter and a brochure for Washington University (unsolicited). The letter said "Congratulations on your strong showing on the April 2004 MCAT. Based on your terrific performance, I decided to write you..."

Too bad I'm already doing early decision at the U of MN 😉


It looks like a form letter. Who else on here got one of these letters? How do they know my MCAT score?
they do this because they like to get the high mcat score people to apply. they have the highest averages in the nation. they like numbers and want numbers.
 
Does this letter just go to high MCAT people, or people with high MCAT and GPA? I'm asking because I haven't gotten one and I have a really high MCAT. However, I only have a 3.5 GPA (what is their average -- 3.65 or something?)
 
VFrank said:
Does this letter just go to high MCAT people, or people with high MCAT and GPA? I'm asking because I haven't gotten one and I have a really high MCAT. However, I only have a 3.5 GPA (what is their average -- 3.65 or something?)
I'd guess it goes out to high MCAT people. There's no way they could know my GPA, because AMCAS hasn't calculated it yet in my application.
 
i read somewhere that their avg gpa is a 3.8
and avg mcat on each section is a 12 or so.
 
Croatalus_atrox said:
I'd guess it goes out to high MCAT people. There's no way they could know my GPA, because AMCAS hasn't calculated it yet in my application.

I got one today at 39Q and 2.95, although they don't have my GPA yet. I'm not applying with those stats, obviously, but since it was my first official USPS mail from a medical school, it did give me the warm fuzzies. Today I also got a color-copied brochure from the New York College of Podiatric Medicine, which was nice too. It's not something I'm interested in, but at least they sounded sincere.
 
liverotcod said:
I got one today at 39Q and 2.95, although they don't have my GPA yet. I'm not applying with those stats, obviously, but since it was my first official USPS mail from a medical school, it did give me the warm fuzzies. Today I also got a color-copied brochure from the New York College of Podiatric Medicine, which was nice too. It's not something I'm interested in, but at least they sounded sincere.

haha, I remember that one! If memory serves, the letter invites you to "step into an exciting career in podiatry"

I just wanted to go to the interview...
"what made you decide to pursue podiatry?"

"That hilarious pun"
 
Those letters are all MCAT, fyi. I got several of them last year, from WashU to random islandmail, and I didn't even have a GPA yet, much less anything else to recommend me.

Come to think of it, I believe WashU was the only school of the lot that I was eligible to apply to. Should've tried, if only to confuse the heck out of the AMCAS people. :meanie:
 
liverotcod said:
I got one today at 39Q and 2.95, although they don't have my GPA yet. I'm not applying with those stats, obviously, but since it was my first official USPS mail from a medical school, it did give me the warm fuzzies. Today I also got a color-copied brochure from the New York College of Podiatric Medicine, which was nice too. It's not something I'm interested in, but at least they sounded sincere.

I got the Podiatry school brochure yesterday too. Man, wasn't the application a joke compared to AMCAS/Secondaries!
 
I got it with a 35M. Bad databasing skills or not, it's still nice to find that kind of stuff in your mailbox 🙂
 
liverotcod said:
I got one today at 39Q and 2.95, although they don't have my GPA yet. I'm not applying with those stats, obviously, but since it was my first official USPS mail from a medical school, it did give me the warm fuzzies. Today I also got a color-copied brochure from the New York College of Podiatric Medicine, which was nice too. It's not something I'm interested in, but at least they sounded sincere.
Well to make you all feel better, I 'm at the low end: I got a 33 and got that packet from Wash U. I think they'd reject me if I did apply there...
 
lovepeds373 said:
Well to make you all feel better, I 'm at the low end: I got a 33 and got that packet from Wash U. I think they'd reject me if I did apply there...

I graduated from the honors program of an unremarkable state school, and one of my classmates wound up at Wash U with a 32, so you never know. If you like the school, apply. :luck:
 
The WashU letter is B.S. They make it sound as if they truly have an interest in you, but if you call the school with regards to the letter, whoever answers will do everything short of hang up on you to end the phone call. Their secondary application will ask for your GPA and your high school GPA and your undergraduate college.

The letter says they're satisfied with your MCAT. You figure that means if they like the rest of what you put down on their secondary, you will get an interview.

Let's say that both your college and high school grade point averages are 4.0 (as high as you can get) and that other top ten schools have been commenting on how involved you were as an undergraduate. Research, clinical experience, and personal accomplishments fill the pages of your primary application. This describes a friend of mine to a T and maybe it describes you also. You would figure that Wash U is certainly going to offer you an invitation to interview, in light of your acceptable MCAT.

You would not suspect that the day after your check for FIFTY DOLLARS clears, they mail you a pre-interview rejection letter, requesting that you consider their hospitals when applying for residency.

They got me too. I could really use FIFTY BUCKS right now. Everybody gets the same letter from them. It's marketing - garbage mail. It makes the school look bad in my opinion but they probably make several thousand dollars off of it: FIFTY DOLLARS - cost of stamp, envelope, and rejection letter = a LOT of money when you consider that hundreds if not thousands of applicants fall for this. The AAMC should warn you about this since evidently they leak your information to the schools.


You'll see, this is just another kick in the 🙄😉 s that you'll sustain during this process. Washington is NOT the only program sending out letters like this, but theirs is the one I received and it was misleading. With the exception of this one, single practice, I have nothing against the school. In fact, my sole point of posting was to assist members who may be on the fence about applying to Washington after receiving the letter. Good Luck.
 
I got one too, for a 38P...and I applied there too because it was in the area I want to apply anyway. What's another thirty bucks? At least if they're a numbers *****, I have a chance in heck.
 
kiki the alto said:
I got one too, for a 38P...and I applied there too because it was in the area I want to apply anyway. What's another thirty bucks? At least if they're a numbers *****, I have a chance in heck.
38? yes you do.
 
Super Rob said:
You would not suspect that the day after your check for $100 clears, they mail you a pre-interview rejection letter, requesting that you consider their hospitals when applying for residency.

They got me too. I could really use one hundred bucks right now. Everybody gets the same letter from them. It's marketing - garbage mail. It makes the school look bad in my opinion but they probably make several thousand dollars off of it: $100 - cost of stamp, envelope, and rejection letter = a LOT of money when you consider that hundreds if not thousands of applicants fall for this. The AAMC should warn you about this since evidently they leak your information to the schools.
.

Once again, quite a curious post considering Wash U's secondary fee is only $55...at least it was last year when I sent it in. The letter is sent based soley on MCAT scores, perhaps there was something missing from your application, or simply something in there that didn't resonate with them. Getting into any one particular school is somewhat of a crapshoot...its hard to tell exactly what type of student they're looking for. But in short, I hardly think that the letter a scam to get your $55 2ndary fee....or was it $100?
 
lolz too bad youre going to U of M instead.
 
velocypedalist said:
Once again, quite a curious post considering Wash U's secondary fee is only $55...at least it was last year when I sent it in. The letter is sent based soley on MCAT scores, perhaps there was something missing from your application, or simply something in there that didn't resonate with them. Getting into any one particular school is somewhat of a crapshoot...its hard to tell exactly what type of student they're looking for. But in short, I hardly think that the letter a scam to get your $55 2ndary fee....or was it $100?

Getting into any school is somewhat of a crapshoot and no school should give a particular applicant or applicants the impression that an interview is almost certain provided they submit an application. There were no red flags on my appliation or I would not have had the success I had in this process. I had luck on my side and I had a decent application.

On November 15 of last year, I made out a check to Washington University for FIFTY dollars. That must have been what I paid for my secondary application to be "processed." Have you received one of these letters? It's signed by a dean and makes you feel like you have passed some sort of pre-screening. The way mine was worded made it sound like they wanted me and because I had nobody to tell me that virtually anyone with a high MCAT score recieves the letter, I wasted money on sending my primary and secondary, which taken together is somewhere between fifty and one hundred dollars.

If your grades from high school and college cannot be beat, your letters of recommendation receive praise elsewhere, and you have quite a list of attributes and experiences to bring to the table, then you anticipate an interview. The letter makes it sound automatic. Read it yourself and decide.

If your high MCAT score was simply a fluke, the rest of your numbers were low, your experiences and recommendations were weak, and you were striking out with other, big name universities, then you might not anticipate receiving an interview despite the kind letter.

I am happy with how the process turned out for me, but for as long as I frequent this forum, I am going to throw my two cents in when it comes to Washington's marketing scheme. Why? Because I wish there was someone like me to have warned me. If anything, I will save people who are ambivalent about applying to Washington University the expense and frustration of wasting their time and hard earned cash.

Do not fall for this deceptive marketing. Washington must be a great school, but like everywhere else there are no shortcuts to an interview. If you received their marketing letter, then congratulations on a great performance on the MCAT. You will not receive any special attention from their admissions committee. The letter goes out to everyone with scores near their averages. If you wanted to apply to Washington, you probably would have already. For me, it came down to a money issue. I didn't know much about the school before I chose where to apply, so instead of applying to Washington, I stuck with schools closer to home. By the time I had received their letter, however, I had only received my first couple of interview invites and did not want to pass up on a chance to receive another. This letter is probably sent to tens of thousands of applicants and receiving one does not place you at an advantage over any other applicants. I wish I had known that. Would I still have applied? In retrospect, this has been a very expensive process, so knowing what my odds were, no I wouldn't have applied. You may even be at a disadvantage in responding to this letter if by the time they receive your application, they have reached the limit for the number of people whom they wish to interview.

I'm not saying "don't apply there," I'm not making things up, but I want you to be aware that Washington University is not using this letter to recruit you. They are using tens of thousands of copies of this letter to recruit people like you.

If their letter gave you any impression other than what has been discussed, then I hope this thread has been of help to you, even if it's not news you wanted to hear.

Good luck to everybody!
 
Super Rob...I agree that this kind of marketing can give people false hopes, but Wash U shouldn't be singled out for doing it. I've heard that the Medical College of Wisconsin sends people correspondence like this for TAKING the MCAT, regardless of how well they did. Also, last year when I applied USC gave me a letter telling me something like "oh you're so qualified..we hope that USC is among the short list of schools you're considering" and then I didn't even get an interview.
 
Super Rob said:
You would not suspect that the day after your check for $100 clears, they mail you a pre-interview rejection letter, requesting that you consider their hospitals when applying for residency.

From what I remember, the application fee was just $50. Where did you come up with $100?! Check your facts.
 
I don't share my MCAT but I just got one of those packets from WashU and I sincerely doubt I have a chance in HELL at that school 😀
 
Whoops, stupid stupid arrogant nerdgirl *bad Kiki, bad Kiki*
 
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