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Hi guys! I am an Arizona resident I've been accepted to both WSU and OSU, and I have not been to either school, but I am planning on visiting them in February and March. I know that WSU lets OOS students change their residency and get IS tuition after their first year, so that is an obvious bonus. However, I am WICHE certified and if I get the funding, I could get IS tuition for either school, which I have seen is fairly comparable. So I have a few questions for current students of both schools to help make a more clear decision. What are the housing costs like? Does either school offer dorming or apartments associated with the school? What is Pullman like? Corvallis? What is the weather like in both? Does it snow in either city and if so, how much? How are the professors like at each school? Do they care about students succeeding and help with understanding the course material? Which classes do you think were taught well, and which classes are weaker? What kind of scholarships are available and how easy/difficult are they to get? And lastly, what kind of opportunities are there at either school for zoological medicine or working with exotics/wildlife? Thank you so much!

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Hi guys! I am an Arizona resident I've been accepted to both WSU and OSU, and I have not been to either school, but I am planning on visiting them in February and March. I know that WSU lets OOS students change their residency and get IS tuition after their first year, so that is an obvious bonus. However, I am WICHE certified and if I get the funding, I could get IS tuition for either school, which I have seen is fairly comparable. So I have a few questions for current students of both schools to help make a more clear decision. What are the housing costs like? Does either school offer dorming or apartments associated with the school? What is Pullman like? Corvallis? What is the weather like in both? Does it snow in either city and if so, how much? How are the professors like at each school? Do they care about students succeeding and help with understanding the course material? Which classes do you think were taught well, and which classes are weaker? What kind of scholarships are available and how easy/difficult are they to get? And lastly, what kind of opportunities are there at either school for zoological medicine or working with exotics/wildlife? Thank you so much!
Housing costs vary durastically around Pullman. My fiance and I were in a 1bed1bath pet friendly new apartments rent was ~850/mo we paid electric and internet. We bought a trailer (there are lots of trailers for sale anywhere from 10k-60k+, depends what you want) so our lot rent is now ~500. My other friend lives in a different trailer park her rent is ~350. My friend lives in a house with roomates she has the master bedroom with her own bathroom and rent ~500 the smaller rooms in her house are ~400 +/-50 and they only pay internet. Rent really varies-there are some brand new apartments that are furnished those are in the 800/mo with roomates there are also other apartments that are only 600/mo. There are also a few deals around where if you work the weekends feeding animals on campus there's free housing but those are few and far between. We have a housing packet that will go out to you after April 15 sometime that has alot of housing opportunities. WSU does offer graduate student housing. I know one of my classmates lived there last year, but I have no idea how much or anything. Pullman is also building alot of new housing right now options are expanding depending on what you want. You can get a whole house to yourself for 1300-1800/mo if you really wanted

Pullman is a population ~35000 people with Moscow, ID 15 minutes away (rent is cheaper over there and if you get WICHE you could live over there) Their population is about the same and has the University of Idaho. Pullman has lots of cute little shops downtown. We have a Walmart, movie theater, and bowling alley. We also have a hospital with a surprising amount of specialists if you're concerned about any of that. Moscow has an ice skating rink, mall, staples, major restaurant chains like buffalo wild wings. Between the two you can usually find anything you need. I wish we had a target is the one store I wish we had, other students also wish we had a Costco but you can drive 40 minutes to Lewiston, ID if you need to go to one-we make a monthly trip. The landscape is fairly hilly with wheat and Coug football is huge-you don't have to be involved but just know games days are crazy because Pullman traffic is ridiculous on those days. I like it, but I also like smaller towns. If you feel the need Spokane is 1.5 hours away and they have everything a big city does, but we only ever go there for the airport. Pullman does have an airport, they just expanded it so hopefully we will also be adding flights to Denver which would be nice as flights currently only go to Seattle and then catch the connecting flight.

Weather varies in Pullman. Summer gets up to mid 80s are average. Winter is usually lower 30s. We do get snow. The amount of snow varies year to year. We've only gotten dustings this winter. Last winter classes got cancelled once and a delayed start once. So it really depends. Overall I find it mild but I'm from CO. I know being from AZ it'll be an adjustment if you are from anywhere hot like Phoenix, but my friends have adapted(they're from phoenix and tuscon) You get free transport on the bus system so if you don't wanna drive you can always take a bus if you live in Pullman.

Unfortunately, I have to go but I will finish answering the rest of your questions when I get back home this afternoon.
 
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How are the professors like at each school? Do they care about students succeeding and help with understanding the course material? Which classes do you think were taught well, and which classes are weaker? What kind of scholarships are available and how easy/difficult are they to get? And lastly, what kind of opportunities are there at either school for zoological medicine or working with exotics/wildlife? Thank you so much!

I like all the professors I've come into contact with at WSU with the exception of one, but that's a whole different story and they are probably not going to be with the university much longer. Personally I feel like they truly care about us as students. I would feel comfortable walking into any of their offices even professors I had day 1 and approaching them for personal or professional issues. I feel overall the professors know that vet school is alot-heck most of them went through it themselves so they know how grueling it is so they do their best to make it as fun as possible and applicable. If you need extra help their doors are always open. Depending on the level of how poorly a person is doing they check in with you, make sure to get you going on the right track so you don't fail out. They will do whatever they can to help you through a course, but of course in the end you are responsible for your own learning. I know some people met with professors every week for a few hours to make sure they got through a course. They are also usually pretty great about responding to emails even if its about some random curiosity question.

WSU has the S/M/F so you are allowed 5 credits of M-marginalization. In the event you marginalize a class you have to get together with a committee of the associate dean and professors to help make sure you don't marginalize another class, because they want you to do well and continue. It's not meant as a punishment, it's really meant to help you moving forward. However if you do receive an F-fail for any reason you are dismissed from the program- you still go through the same process and evaluate your individual situation and talk through your options ie dropping to the next class etc. That said we started with a person from the class above us-they were diagnosed with a medical learning disorder when they originally failed out. We gained another person this last semester from the class above who had a rough year last year. Out of our starting class we "lost" one person, but they could have continued on with our class but had 0 marginalizations left or restart with the class below and they chose to restart. Overall attrition on average is like 3 people per class overall-obviously this varies from class to class, person to person.

Which classes are taught well vs weaker varies from year to year. Overall WSU has a well established program. Most courses are team taught so they are usually pretty consistent from year to year. Our year we lost the intro neuro teacher so it was rough having brand new teachers for neuro that had never taught it. This year's 1st years will have an established neuro teacher who taught it at Utah campus for years so it should be way better. But they had a new histology professor which was rough. For most courses though the expectations of the class and material you need to know are pretty clear. The professors and school as a whole are really receptive though to input and feedback. We have a meeting with the dean as a class each semester, student faculty reps and curriculum reps. So we have lots of opportunities to provide feedback as a class for things to improve. Most professors often have mini surveys in the semester to make sure the class is going well.

WSU offers internal scholarships starting your entry year. Something like 96% of students get some sort of scholarship during their time at WSU. There is just one main application that you fill out for all the scholarships which all vary in amounts. There are scholarships for academics like top anatomy student as well as nonacademic driven ones like leadership and community service. If you get WICHE technically the WICHE from AZ does not cover the full difference between OOS and IS tuition. An automatic scholarship is awarded to cover the difference, but you are still eligible for all the other scholarships. Overall just being in vet school there are more scholarships available once you are a second year and that's true for all schools especially for any external scholarships which we get emails about all the time.

For zoo med we have an exotics department which is available to you from day 1 as well as an exotics club. Most notable patients outside of your normal wildlife like different avian species and household reptiles we've had bears, kangaroos, and an alligator visit in the last year. Any injured wildlife goes through the exotics department so raccoons, deer, etc are common visitors. We also have the bear center which you can get involved in with lab animal club or on your own-lab animal club also has connections for exotic species used in research-elk for example. We also have the raptor club which is fairly popular. WSU and OSU alternate hosting an exotics symposium every year in the spring. Last year WSU also hosted CE for practitioners on sea turtles and opened up a limited number of spots to students. Overall the opportunities are there and connections needed to work your way into that field are there if you want to pursue them.

Other additional things you might be interested in-we start teaching surgery skills semester 1. 90% of the buildings you need to be in are connected to each other so you don't have to spend extra time outside in the winter if you don't want to. You are required to spend like 5 hours/semester in the hospital on a rotation, you pick your service and then just go do it, it's not a big deal. You have access to the hospital Day 1 so you will have plenty of opportunities to get involved in the hospital if you want. My pm box if always open if you have more questions about anything-my recommendation is always go wherever you will pay the least!

@ziggyandjazzy or @johnsmith123 for OSU
 
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Hi guys! I am an Arizona resident I've been accepted to both WSU and OSU, and I have not been to either school, but I am planning on visiting them in February and March. I know that WSU lets OOS students change their residency and get IS tuition after their first year, so that is an obvious bonus. However, I am WICHE certified and if I get the funding, I could get IS tuition for either school, which I have seen is fairly comparable. So I have a few questions for current students of both schools to help make a more clear decision. What are the housing costs like? Does either school offer dorming or apartments associated with the school? What is Pullman like? Corvallis? What is the weather like in both? Does it snow in either city and if so, how much? How are the professors like at each school? Do they care about students succeeding and help with understanding the course material? Which classes do you think were taught well, and which classes are weaker? What kind of scholarships are available and how easy/difficult are they to get? And lastly, what kind of opportunities are there at either school for zoological medicine or working with exotics/wildlife? Thank you so much!
Hey, congrats! AZ resident at OSU here as well, non-wiche. Keep in mind that (at least when I applied), OOS non-wiche for four years at OSU is virtually the same price as OOS the first year as WSU then switching to IS for the last three. You might want to double check this, since even a few thousand dollar difference either way could make a huge difference in the long run. Here are some of the answers for OSU, though @ziggyandjazzy might want to chime in as well since some of this stuff is so subjective.
1) Housing costs - I pay $475/month for a 2 bed, 1 bath apartment with full kitchen and living room 1.5 miles from campus. Definitely at the lower end, though you can consistently find housing under $500/month if you're willing to make sacrifices like sharing a bathroom. You'll hear people complaining about housing prices here but it's pretty reasonable if you're okay with not living in luxury. Some people commute from albany, where prices are supposedly significantly cheaper though that has its own issues with the rare snowstorms/severe ice.
2) There is family housing available through the university, which is very cheap and super close to school if you'll be moving here with others. At the very least, you need a spouse but they may require that you have kids as well? Not too sure on this since my roommate and I got disqualified when they realized we aren't married lol. The wait list to get in there is at least a year at any given time.
3) Corvallis - small (compared to Tempe or Tucson - assuming you attended one of those). I see people I know at the grocery store pretty often and randomly see familiar faces other places. For some reason, I have almost a 100% success rate of seeing my professors on hikes in the area. It's not so small where you know everyone you see, but it's definitely going to be a change from a place like Tucson, Tempe, or even Flagstaff. It rains for a few months straight (light drizzle usually) during the Winter so a lot of people don't like that. Honestly, some people end up getting seasonal depression because of it, so it's something you have to stay on top of if you're prone to that. I enjoy the rain after living in the desert my whole life but I have plenty of classmates who can't tolerate it and want to move back immediately after graduation. It's something to consider, for sure.
4) Snow - I have only lived here a year and a half so can only speak to 1 winter season. We got maybe 7 days where it snowed, but only like 4 days where it actually stuck on the ground and like 2-3 times where class was delayed until 12 pm. The most snow we got at once was like 4-5 inches and that was a pretty big deal lol.
5) Professors - It will vary as with most schools. There's one notorious professor during first year where a few people fail out. She's a great teacher, just makes her tests extremely difficult. You'll be fine if you put any amount of effort over the norm into studying for it. There are a few other professors that people don't like, which probably stems more from not studying enough on the extra challenging material. All the professors are great, though there are a few which require a bit more studying to get the same grade. I feel like I actually learned more from these professors because they made their sections challenging so it sucks in the moment, but you'll be thankful for them when you get to the more advanced classes. Besides that, most of our professors are extremely reasonable and every one of them wants you to succeed. A story I always tell is the time that my anatomy professor stayed an hour or two after he normally leaves to teach me all the structures I was struggling on. The professors are almost all clinicians in the hospital, so you'll be building a relationship with them from day one that will theoretically serve you well during fourth year. I still ask some of my professors from first year questions and they're more than willing to take the time to explain it, even though I'm not technically in their class anymore. The incredibly caring professors are one of my favorite parts about OSU.
6) Most classes are taught well, though one or two are just as disorganized as the professors. These are few and far between and the professors are still great, they just aren't the best at structuring it in a way that makes sense. You may need to do some extra self-study for the few classes that are like this but not a huge deal. Winter term phys is the notorious one but like I mentioned before, you'll learn so much from it that you'll almost be thankful it was so hard.
7) Scholarships - The school gives out $300,000+ in scholarships each year. They just have one central application for all those scholarships, so it takes 10 mins to fill out and all of a sudden you have some extra $$$. I think the further you go along in the program, the more scholarships are available to you. I got like $2,000 from the school first year but I saw some stellar third/fourth years raking in $10k+. All those people are literal superhumans so don't go into it expecting to get that much and just have it be a pleasant surprise if you do. There are also scholarships through AVMA that are given to a few students at each accredited school. I also spent a few hundred hours the summer before school started to apply for random law firm, blog scholarships, etc. and that definitely helped out a lot too. That's an option not a whole lot of people do for vet school so you can find some hidden gems if you search hard enough.
8) Wildlife - We don't technically do work on zoo/wildlife at our hospital, but we do accept special cases. E.g. albino bengal tiger came in for a CT scan, porcupine, etc. If you're interested in pathology, you'll get exposure to tons of wacko species on the necropsy floor. I've seen a giant octopus necropsy, deer, harbor seal, dolphin, otter, etc. Lots of cool stuff comes through there and you can go in to watch any time you want. Since our hospital doesn't often accept exotics, you have to take another path to get experience in that. We have a zoo, wildlife, and exotics club which does bird bandaging labs and sets up the ZWE symposium every year (WSU and OSU rotate every year). This year, it is at WSU and always includes some crazy wet labs, lectures, etc. We had wildlife necropsies, speakers from every facet of the exotics world, darting practice, etc. So you'll get that no matter which one you choose. You can also do the non-traditional track, which gives you lots of opportunities for rotations with the various zoos, aquariums, and wildlife rehab centers. You can get all the experience you want, but it's something you have to actively pursue if you're interested.
 
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Keep in mind that (at least when I applied), OOS non-wiche for four years at OSU is virtually the same price as OOS the first year as WSU then switching to IS for the last three.
I don't think this is true...
OOS COA for WSU is about 50k cheaper than OSU over the course of 4 years.
The price for IS at OSU and WSU is nearly identical at around 180k for 4 years.

@jenjen2020 I will respond to the rest of your post when I am less tired lol
 
I don't think this is true...
OOS COA for WSU is about 50k cheaper than OSU over the course of 4 years.
The price for IS at OSU and WSU is nearly identical at around 180k for 4 years.

@jenjen2020 I will respond to the rest of your post when I am less tired lol
Huh, I don't know where I got that.... I know OOS tuition at WSU is like 15-20k more expensive than OSU. Maybe one of the WSU people can speak to how many actually get switched over to IS. If I recall correctly, most get it if you do it right.
 
Huh, I don't know where I got that.... I know OOS tuition at WSU is like 15-20k more expensive than OSU. Maybe one of the WSU people can speak to how many actually get switched over to IS. If I recall correctly, most get it if you do it right.
Near 100% can switch if you do everything right if you are on the pullman campus. If you start at Utah you cant switch residency. I think I know of like 3 people within the last 3 years that's didnt get approved. Usually there's 10-20 students applying for switching. My year they also removed the restriction of having to stay in the state for all of summer except 2 weeks so it's fairly straight forward and easy these days.

So yeah year 1=~72000
Year 2-4=~26000/year
Total~150000 in tuition only

I know they were proposing starting with class of 2024 to charge tuition for summer of rotations which would be like another ~10000. I dont know if it got approved or not though. They were going to let offer students know if it got passed since it would affect them.

I think if you're straight IS then Oregon is a tad cheaper but I'd have to look at VIN.
 
Huh, I don't know where I got that.... I know OOS tuition at WSU is like 15-20k more expensive than OSU. Maybe one of the WSU people can speak to how many actually get switched over to IS. If I recall correctly, most get it if you do it right.
It’s from the VIN cost of education map (or whatever it was renamed). I can link when I’m back at a computer
 
Thank you so much @MixedAnimals77 , @johnsmith123 , and @ziggyandjazzy for all of the info!! I really appreciate all of your help! I'm sorry it took me so long to respond, my father needed sudden back surgery the day after I posted this and I was taking care of him, and now that a new quarter has started I've been very busy, but your info was very helpful. I'm excited to say that I've arranged to visit WSU on February 7 and hope to make arrangements to visit OSU soon! Both sound like lovely places! 🙂
 
Thank you so much @MixedAnimals77 , @johnsmith123 , and @ziggyandjazzy for all of the info!! I really appreciate all of your help! I'm sorry it took me so long to respond, my father needed sudden back surgery the day after I posted this and I was taking care of him, and now that a new quarter has started I've been very busy, but your info was very helpful. I'm excited to say that I've arranged to visit WSU on February 7 and hope to make arrangements to visit OSU soon! Both sound like lovely places! 🙂
Hope his surgery went well and is feeling relief. Excited to have you visit soon! Try not to let the piles of snow from this last week's storm that will undoubtedly still be there deter you 🤣
 
Hope his surgery went well and is feeling relief. Excited to have you visit soon! Try not to let the piles of snow from this last week's storm that will undoubtedly still be there deter you 🤣

Thank you!! His surgery thankfully went well and he is recovering! I am so excited to visit WSU, it sounds like such a great school! Ill try not to let the snow get to me :laugh:
 
Thank you!! His surgery thankfully went well and he is recovering! I am so excited to visit WSU, it sounds like such a great school! Ill try not to let the snow get to me :laugh:
lol it's raining now...an unexpected turn. I also saw them hauling off snow today so hopefully no snow for you! (Mostly because I don't want snow my little 2wd truck is not fond of the snow+hills)
 
What would you guys say is the biggest pro and weakest point of each school?
For Oregon State:
Biggest pro: smallest class size in the US. I know everyone in my class and am comfortable working with any of them. This also means we get to know our professors very well before even hitting clinics and they also get to know us.

Biggest con: I absolutely love the program and honestly can't think of any major cons. Maybe someone else can chime in on what they don't like. The constant rain is really the biggest downside to OSU for most of my classmates.
 
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What would you guys say is the biggest pro and weakest point of each school?
Overall imo biggest pro-the community and support you feel from day 1. You are truly one of the profession. You are valued and welcomed into the profession in the classrooms and clinics. Even if you're a mere year 1 they still want to know what you think from classroom to cases. Class wise we have tons of opportunities for input to help improve the curriculum-they want to hear from us. In the clinics you're welcome there day 1, they get you involved if you show interest/can. My friends got pulled in on Ag rotation, I helped work up a lameness within the first week of school year 1. In intro to clinics we helped work up a neuro case, radiology one of them pulled us over and started teaching us about rads. You're cared for as a person from counselors, classmates, to faculty and staff. If you're struggling they check in on you. They try their best to help you get the study materials/technique you need to succeed in whatever course it is. In year 2 is our hardest semester supposedly and the professors are constantly checking in on us, doing their best to make a mentally taxing situation better.

Biggest con- Like john I have a difficult time thinking of major cons. I also love my program. Personally my biggest con is the hills cause I'm from somewhere flat so I miss seeing out forever. Other people's cons is location, alot of people don't like the Palouse for one reason or another-mainly size and "things to do." For me though I love the size of Pullman and between here and Moscow you can get just about anything you need and I think there's plenty to do in what free time you have. Drive an hour in almost any direction and you can find almost any outdoor activity you want.

@CoffeeQuestionMark @Caiter92 for other input.
 
This is not about the two schools, but is a (potentially significant) difference between the two states.

WA doesn't charge an income tax, but it ranks ninth highest in the nation for sales taxes. A 6.5% state sales tax combined with city and/or municipal sales-tax rates can combine for a sales tax of potentially more than 10%.

OR does not have any sales tax. It's income tax rates range from 5% to 9.9%.
 
This is not about the two schools, but is a (potentially significant) difference between the two states.

WA doesn't charge an income tax, but it ranks ninth highest in the nation for sales taxes. A 6.5% state sales tax combined with city and/or municipal sales-tax rates can combine for a sales tax of potentially more than 10%.

OR does not have any sales tax. It's income tax rates range from 5% to 9.9%.
Tax you pay in Pullman is 7.8%. Moscow, ID across the border is 6% in case anyone wanted the actual numbers. Pullman sales tax is the same as where I'm from in CO. Biggest difference cost wise for me was gas, but again drive across the border and it's $0.20 cheaper almost always.
 
This is not about the two schools, but is a (potentially significant) difference between the two states.

WA doesn't charge an income tax, but it ranks ninth highest in the nation for sales taxes. A 6.5% state sales tax combined with city and/or municipal sales-tax rates can combine for a sales tax of potentially more than 10%.

OR does not have any sales tax. It's income tax rates range from 5% to 9.9%.
It's great to be a young person (or jobless person 😛 ) in Oregon because of no sales tax. Definitely makes a difference, especially with large ticket items like laptops and such. Sales tax makes me cringe lol
Tax you pay in Pullman is 7.8%. Moscow, ID across the border is 6% in case anyone wanted the actual numbers. Pullman sales tax is the same as where I'm from in CO. Biggest difference cost wise for me was gas, but again drive across the border and it's $0.20 cheaper almost always.
Gas is consistently cheaper in Oregon than Washington (at least the western half of the states). No idea how this compares to Idaho but I believe Idaho has cheaper gas than either.
I don't drive enough to really care lol
 
It's great to be a young person (or jobless person 😛 ) in Oregon because of no sales tax. Definitely makes a difference, especially with large ticket items like laptops and such. Sales tax makes me cringe lol

Gas is consistently cheaper in Oregon than Washington (at least the western half of the states). No idea how this compares to Idaho but I believe Idaho has cheaper gas than either.
I don't drive enough to really care lol
lol yeah I order all my big ticket items into the Idaho stores-15 minutes drive saves me so much like when our TV died. Yeah Seattle gas prices are ridiculous- I can't imagine anywhere on the west side with populous is much cheaper. I got sticker shock the whole 12 hours I was over on that side of the state. It was painful. Gas is currently $2.75 in ID, it's $3.09-2.95 in Pullman depending on what station you go by.
 
lol yeah I order all my big ticket items into the Idaho stores-15 minutes drive saves me so much like when our TV died. Yeah Seattle gas prices are ridiculous- I can't imagine anywhere on the west side with populous is much cheaper. I got sticker shock the whole 12 hours I was over on that side of the state. It was painful. Gas is currently $2.75 in ID, it's $3.09-2.95 in Pullman depending on what station you go by.
I literally never buy gas since I bike everywhere or use my boyfriend's car so I don't know the price of gas currently haha. The last time I bought gas was easily like 2 months ago. But I looked up the station closest to me (which is also on the cheap side I know) and it's currently 2.65 so we may have you beat 😛
Seattle might be expensive but they also have a much higher minimum wage, which does account for something! but yeah I could understand the sticker shock if youre not used to a city.

the west coast always has the most expensive gas though. at least we are cheaper than cali or Hawaii though!!
 
Overall imo biggest pro-the community and support you feel from day 1. You are truly one of the profession. You are valued and welcomed into the profession in the classrooms and clinics. Even if you're a mere year 1 they still want to know what you think from classroom to cases. Class wise we have tons of opportunities for input to help improve the curriculum-they want to hear from us. In the clinics you're welcome there day 1, they get you involved if you show interest/can. My friends got pulled in on Ag rotation, I helped work up a lameness within the first week of school year 1. In intro to clinics we helped work up a neuro case, radiology one of them pulled us over and started teaching us about rads. You're cared for as a person from counselors, classmates, to faculty and staff. If you're struggling they check in on you. They try their best to help you get the study materials/technique you need to succeed in whatever course it is. In year 2 is our hardest semester supposedly and the professors are constantly checking in on us, doing their best to make a mentally taxing situation better.

Biggest con- Like john I have a difficult time thinking of major cons. I also love my program. Personally my biggest con is the hills cause I'm from somewhere flat so I miss seeing out forever. Other people's cons is location, alot of people don't like the Palouse for one reason or another-mainly size and "things to do." For me though I love the size of Pullman and between here and Moscow you can get just about anything you need and I think there's plenty to do in what free time you have. Drive an hour in almost any direction and you can find almost any outdoor activity you want.

@CoffeeQuestionMark @Caiter92 for other input.
I missed this I guess

Pros for me:
having access to the old exams, how the teachers try to integrate material between classes (doesn't always work but sometimes does), how welcoming the students and staff generally are, the sunshine and lovely sunsets/sunrises, cost

Cons for me:
Old facilities, poor 4th year set-up (so I hear), turn-around of professors, 1.5 hours to a major city, seems heavy large animal focus, WSU medical school separate from veterinary school, VTH management, and location (=less cases, and harder to keep employees in the VTH which means more grunt work for the 4th years)

I do really enjoy vet school. I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much if I hadn't made the friends that I have.
I don't want to come off as that I hate WSU, I really don't and the education is good.
However, it has some major issues that could only be solved by picking up the school and moving it elsewhere.
So, in my opinion and as long as cost isn't a factor, and unless you love small towns or want to be a LA vet, pick Oregon.

Edit: expanding on 4th year. I think this is an important consideration. From quick research, Oregon appears to have a tracking option while WSU is non-tracking. The issue with 4th year at WSU is the VTH is understaffed. 4th years are free labor. This means in addition to your rotations, you are forced to have on-call kennel assistant rotations (DURING your other rotations), take 3 weeks of overnight emergency (2 LA, 1 SA), and may even miss out on CORE rotations

Not kidding about missing core rotations. My roommate, upon originally receiving her schedule, was not scheduled for a shelter med rotation. She was prepared to fight them tooth and nail for it and their resolution was to increase the number of rotating students at the shelter from 2 to 3. My understanding is there are still a couple of people without the shelter rotation.

I suppose it's in the realm of possibility that all other schools have similar problems, but from all I hear, WSU 4th year is a mess.
 
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I missed this I guess

Pros for me:
having access to the old exams, how the teachers try to integrate material between classes (doesn't always work but sometimes does), how welcoming the students and staff generally are, the sunshine and lovely sunsets/sunrises, cost

Cons for me:
Old facilities, poor 4th year set-up (so I hear), turn-around of professors, 1.5 hours to a major city, seems heavy large animal focus, WSU medical school separate from veterinary school, VTH management, and location (=less cases, and harder to keep employees in the VTH which means more grunt work for the 4th years)

I do really enjoy vet school. I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much if I hadn't made the friends that I have.
I don't want to come off as that I hate WSU, I really don't and the education is good.
However, it has some major issues that could only be solved by picking up the school and moving it elsewhere.
So, in my opinion and as long as cost isn't a factor, and unless you love small towns or want to be a LA vet, pick Oregon.
I'm curious why you feel it's way more LA focused? As a mixed person I definitely feel SA opportunities are more readily available compared to LA stuff.
 
I'm curious why you feel it's way more LA focused? As a mixed person I definitely feel SA opportunities are more readily available compared to LA stuff.
It could be just how I perceive it and maybe it's not actually true.
The LA based clubs seem to have a lot more opportunities, and additional non-club based opportunities (faculty-sent summer programs, lambing, herd health, foal team, colic team). Shelter med offers some opportunities on live animals? But because they're the only club that does, everything fills up really fast.
The classes, with the exception of neuro and some that remain 50/50, have leaned slightly LA based (nutrition, anatomy (even though each is given their own semester, SA anatomy is basically "dog anatomy", while LA is equine+bovine, and has way more clinical applications), gen path (I suppose that could change?))
 
It could be just how I perceive it and maybe it's not actually true.
The LA based clubs seem to have a lot more opportunities, and additional non-club based opportunities (faculty-sent summer programs, lambing, herd health, foal team, colic team). Shelter med offers some opportunities on live animals? But because they're the only club that does, everything fills up really fast.
The classes, with the exception of neuro and some that remain 50/50, have leaned slightly LA based (nutrition, anatomy (even though each is given their own semester, SA anatomy is basically "dog anatomy", while LA is equine+bovine, and has way more clinical applications), gen path (I suppose that could change?))
I definitely think if someone evaluated the curriculum as a whole it'd pry balance out evenly if someone really looked into it. Especially since we are non-tracking. I can definitely see how it seems off balance depending how much of the curriculum you've gone through.
I think how active the clubs are to some extent makes a big impact in that view. Like all the LA stuff we drive like 2+ hours on average to do things, yeah we have alot of options but they also seek them and work really hard to get them. Some of the clubs just don't try as hard/dont have the time&commitment from people. Herd health is actually a club thing that is open to the whole school. The summer programs are ortho, onco, and farm animals through the hospital. Not including NWBE by Dr. Allen. Once you get into sys path and clin path it's alot more SA. Also scheduling 3rd year the SA people have it "nice" per say and can pretty much take any spay block. I would say the electives are ~50:50 split. LA people however, have huge chunks of spay block we can't take because of the elective commitments. I think as far as actual hands on involvement is a little different as well ie it's alot easier to get a diary farmer to let us come out and palpate 100+ cows, but no one is going to want to let you voluntarily do a rectal on their dog just because it's there kinda thing. So I think it's to an extent it is the fact like how they are viewed as an animal. If you look at 4th year though only 6 weeks of LA rotations are required while the other core rotations are 16wk of SA stuff.
 
I would just like to expand on the 4th year issue. It's definitely a work in progress-curriculum committee meets monthly and they've been trying to find a workable solution. Our class has had multiple meetings with Caitlin and Dernell about our concerns as we hear them from upper classes. Also that's partly why starting with 2024 y'all are getting summer tuition in an effort to increase personnel for the above mentioned reasons. We have also had something like a 10 fold increase in ICU cases over the last like 3-5 years so there are the growing pains associated with that as well. So ICU currently has extra call that I know of. @CoffeeQuestionMark does she have an Ortho rotation instead? Shelter is technically a core elective. You either take shelter or an ortho rotation plus soft tissue surgery. Also what are you meaning by on call kennel assistant rotation? Like for drop off appointments? No animals board except in ICU and LA (sometimes onco, then shelter med-Pullman) and from my ICU and LA friends that work in there they are responsible for their area. I know CIS has student workers that help care for the shelter animals. So if you're on that rotation you're responsible for animals staying in that section.
Edit-I was thinking back to the charts I do auditing on and there are some animals that stay longer based on their service-most notably neuro, but from my understanding if you're the student on that service you're responsible for them @Caiter92 for more 4th year insight? (not sure if my other post tagged you twice but I feel like I've been told adding in an edit tag doesn't work)

As for the facilities being old we actually have one of the newer teaching hospitals across the board if you don't include the newer schools like Midwestern-we do use McCoy which is the old hospital which I would consider for old but overall I would say from visiting a few other vet schools the facilities are adequate to advanced especially with our tech set ups in the classrooms for UT&MT.
 
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I missed this I guess

Pros for me:
having access to the old exams, how the teachers try to integrate material between classes (doesn't always work but sometimes does), how welcoming the students and staff generally are, the sunshine and lovely sunsets/sunrises, cost

Cons for me:
Old facilities, poor 4th year set-up (so I hear), turn-around of professors, 1.5 hours to a major city, seems heavy large animal focus, WSU medical school separate from veterinary school, VTH management, and location (=less cases, and harder to keep employees in the VTH which means more grunt work for the 4th years)

I do really enjoy vet school. I wouldn't enjoy it nearly as much if I hadn't made the friends that I have.
I don't want to come off as that I hate WSU, I really don't and the education is good.
However, it has some major issues that could only be solved by picking up the school and moving it elsewhere.
So, in my opinion and as long as cost isn't a factor, and unless you love small towns or want to be a LA vet, pick Oregon.

Edit: expanding on 4th year. I think this is an important consideration. From quick research, Oregon appears to have a tracking option while WSU is non-tracking. The issue with 4th year at WSU is the VTH is understaffed. 4th years are free labor. This means in addition to your rotations, you are forced to have on-call kennel assistant rotations (DURING your other rotations), take 3 weeks of overnight emergency (2 LA, 1 SA), and may even miss out on CORE rotations

Not kidding about missing core rotations. My roommate, upon originally receiving her schedule, was not scheduled for a shelter med rotation. She was prepared to fight them tooth and nail for it and their resolution was to increase the number of rotating students at the shelter from 2 to 3. My understanding is there are still a couple of people without the shelter rotation.

I suppose it's in the realm of possibility that all other schools have similar problems, but from all I hear, WSU 4th year is a mess.

I seriously appreciate your honesty and openness about the program. I am interested in LA or mixed so the curriculum leaning towards LA would be more of a plus for me. Especially since I have heard that there are not many LA cases that come through the VTH and was thinking this might be a possible con with WSU.

Cost is certainly a factor for me, but from what I can see WSU and Oregon are very similar when it comes to cost of tuition, living, etc. Would you agree with this?

The issues of 4th year sounds like an unfortunate issue. Would you say that the kennel work gets in way of learning for 4th years? And by kennel assistant forced rotation, do you mean 4th years are forced to basically do tech stuff for a rotation rather than getting to work with vets and get experience, or is it just a component of the rotation?

Which parts of the facilities are old and not updated? Would you say everything or just components of the facility?

So you guys have old exams to look at but Oregon students don't? I know at CSU it was an "honor code" that you don't look at old exams. Wondering how that works at WSU?
 
I'll only address parts of this since I don't want to speak for Coffee? The 4th year coordinator just came and talked to our class so all the info I'm giving is from their powerpoint like 3 weeks ago.

Especially since I have heard that there are not many LA cases that come through the VTH and was thinking this might be a possible con with WSU.

For LA rotations you do overnights, and your equine rotation in the hospital itself. For your LA rotation there are 16 different options for that core elective. Only 1 of which is actually confined to the VTH. Others are based in ID, Therio (half hospital-half just out in the state wherever), and FDIU which is a multistate rotation.

Cost is certainly a factor for me, but from what I can see WSU and Oregon are very similar when it comes to cost of tuition, living, etc. Would you agree with this?
I have never lived in OR but VIN map show COL in OR estimated at 8k more.

The issues of 4th year sounds like an unfortunate issue. Would you say that the kennel work gets in way of learning for 4th years? And by kennel assistant forced rotation, do you mean 4th years are forced to basically do tech stuff for a rotation rather than getting to work with vets and get experience, or is it just a component of the rotation?
She didn't mention anything about this in the ppt and I've never heard anything about it. Which is why I'm hoping Coffee can expand or @Caiter92 can clarify. For my info as well.

So you guys have old exams to look at but Oregon students don't? I know at CSU it was an "honor code" that you don't look at old exams. Wondering how that works at WSU?
I don't believe OR students do @ziggyandjazzy @johnsmith123 ? We have a test file of old exams. It's not breaking honor code to look at-like it's on a school drive. Some profs will post previous versions to study from. Some will vastly change how they write the exam year to year, others will not. As you get further into the program these do go away. This semester we have old exams for 1 class. Everything else at this point is super old and irrelevant and alot of exams have moved to computers. Year 3 have no previous exams to reference (they are in the process of slowly phasing out the testing file for year 2&1 as well as moving to computer based exams). Really just depends on class set up/prof preference. Hearing from various faculty they seem pretty split on the issue. This may change with the new dean. Overall if you were just to study from old exams you will still fail-definitely meant more as a study tool.
Honor code is defined for each class. There's the standard like no using your phone, neighbor, etc. Ex- not working with friends on an open note quiz as defined. However, some classes have quizzes that are open note/open person so it's really prof based on the nitty gritty of honor code and if it's a quiz or something like that you work on outside class time they usually tell you their expectations.
 
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I'll only address parts of this since I don't want to speak for Coffee? The 4th year coordinator just came and talked to our class so all the info I'm giving is from their powerpoint like 3 weeks ago.

Especially since I have heard that there are not many LA cases that come through the VTH and was thinking this might be a possible con with WSU.

For LA rotations you do overnights, and your equine rotation in the hospital itself. For your LA rotation there are 16 different options for that core elective. Only 1 of which is actually confined to the VTH. Others are based in ID, Therio (half hospital-half just out in the state wherever), and FDIU which is a multistate rotation.

Cost is certainly a factor for me, but from what I can see WSU and Oregon are very similar when it comes to cost of tuition, living, etc. Would you agree with this?
I have never lived in OR but VIN map show COL in OR estimated at 8k more.

The issues of 4th year sounds like an unfortunate issue. Would you say that the kennel work gets in way of learning for 4th years? And by kennel assistant forced rotation, do you mean 4th years are forced to basically do tech stuff for a rotation rather than getting to work with vets and get experience, or is it just a component of the rotation?
She didn't mention anything about this in the ppt and I've never heard anything about it. Which is why I'm hoping Coffee can expand or @Caiter92 can clarify. For my info as well.

So you guys have old exams to look at but Oregon students don't? I know at CSU it was an "honor code" that you don't look at old exams. Wondering how that works at WSU?
I don't believe OR students do @ziggyandjazzy @johnsmith123 ? We have a test file of old exams. It's not breaking honor code to look at-like it's on a school drive. Some profs will post previous versions to study from. Some will vastly change how they write the exam year to year, others will not. As you get further into the program these do go away. This semester we have old exams for 1 class. Everything else at this point is super old and irrelevant and alot of exams have moved to computers. Year 3 have no previous exams to reference (they are in the process of slowly phasing out the testing file for year 2&1 as well as moving to computer based exams). Really just depends on class set up/prof preference. Hearing from various faculty they seem pretty split on the issue. This may change with the new dean. Overall if you were just to study from old exams you will still fail-definitely meant more as a study tool.
Honor code is defined for each class. There's the standard like no using your phone, neighbor, etc. Ex- not working with friends on an open note quiz as defined. However, some classes have quizzes that are open note/open person so it's really prof based on the nitty gritty of honor code and if it's a quiz or something like that you work on outside class time they usually tell you their expectations.
This is what I have heard about the kennel rotation. I heard it is separate from the other rotations, meaning it is done at the same time. You are on-call for the ICU to provide kennel support. Unless I am misremembering or mis-understanding. Essentially, if the ICU gets crazy, they can call the student who has to come in just to walk the dogs. IMO, doesn't sound like anything that furthers a vet student's education - just forced free labor.

I didn't mention one other pro and possibly one of the best. The clinical skills simulator is awesome, and the Dr. who runs it (Dr. Cary) is equally as awesome. Some find her hard to swallow. But if there is any professor as dedicated to wanting to see you succeed in the field, I'd give it to Dr. Cary. She's been with the university for a long time, travels to the other WIMU programs to make sure they're on the same page, is around all your years, and built a great center to work on surgery skills.
 
This is what I have heard about the kennel rotation. I heard it is separate from the other rotations, meaning it is done at the same time. You are on-call for the ICU to provide kennel support. Unless I am misremembering or mis-understanding. Essentially, if the ICU gets crazy, they can call the student who has to come in just to walk the dogs. IMO, doesn't sound like anything that furthers a vet student's education - just forced free labor.

I didn't mention one other pro and possibly one of the best. The clinical skills simulator is awesome, and the Dr. who runs it (Dr. Cary) is equally as awesome. Some find her hard to swallow. But if there is any professor as dedicated to wanting to see you succeed in the field, I'd give it to Dr. Cary. She's been with the university for a long time, travels to the other WIMU programs to make sure they're on the same page, is around all your years, and built a great center to work on surgery skills.
I think you’ve misheard, there is no kennel rotation. Patient care rotations (onco, IM, community, etc) you are assigned on-call shifts (5-11:30 pm and 1130pm-8 am on the weekdays, and 8 am to 5 on weekends too). But you’re only called in for patient care if there are emergencies and they can’t get it done, and it rarely happens during the week. And it’s also not just to walk dogs. Generally if you do get called in it’s from 5-1130. Weekends you are more likely to, but still not super likely. But it’s because we don’t have a million techs like some schools are lucky enough to have, so it only really happens on days the ICU doesn’t have an overnight tech or time slips working (and most days we do).

i can write more later, but the on-call situation for ICU really isn’t too bad.
 
I'll only address parts of this since I don't want to speak for Coffee? The 4th year coordinator just came and talked to our class so all the info I'm giving is from their powerpoint like 3 weeks ago.

Especially since I have heard that there are not many LA cases that come through the VTH and was thinking this might be a possible con with WSU.

For LA rotations you do overnights, and your equine rotation in the hospital itself. For your LA rotation there are 16 different options for that core elective. Only 1 of which is actually confined to the VTH. Others are based in ID, Therio (half hospital-half just out in the state wherever), and FDIU which is a multistate rotation.

Cost is certainly a factor for me, but from what I can see WSU and Oregon are very similar when it comes to cost of tuition, living, etc. Would you agree with this?
I have never lived in OR but VIN map show COL in OR estimated at 8k more.

The issues of 4th year sounds like an unfortunate issue. Would you say that the kennel work gets in way of learning for 4th years? And by kennel assistant forced rotation, do you mean 4th years are forced to basically do tech stuff for a rotation rather than getting to work with vets and get experience, or is it just a component of the rotation?
She didn't mention anything about this in the ppt and I've never heard anything about it. Which is why I'm hoping Coffee can expand or @Caiter92 can clarify. For my info as well.

So you guys have old exams to look at but Oregon students don't? I know at CSU it was an "honor code" that you don't look at old exams. Wondering how that works at WSU?
I don't believe OR students do @ziggyandjazzy @johnsmith123 ? We have a test file of old exams. It's not breaking honor code to look at-like it's on a school drive. Some profs will post previous versions to study from. Some will vastly change how they write the exam year to year, others will not. As you get further into the program these do go away. This semester we have old exams for 1 class. Everything else at this point is super old and irrelevant and alot of exams have moved to computers. Year 3 have no previous exams to reference (they are in the process of slowly phasing out the testing file for year 2&1 as well as moving to computer based exams). Really just depends on class set up/prof preference. Hearing from various faculty they seem pretty split on the issue. This may change with the new dean. Overall if you were just to study from old exams you will still fail-definitely meant more as a study tool.
Honor code is defined for each class. There's the standard like no using your phone, neighbor, etc. Ex- not working with friends on an open note quiz as defined. However, some classes have quizzes that are open note/open person so it's really prof based on the nitty gritty of honor code and if it's a quiz or something like that you work on outside class time they usually tell you their expectations.
We do have old exams for a select few classes. The most noteable one interestingly enough, is taught by the dean. She has a test bank of about 10+ years of all her quizzes and exams that we can look at. Besides that, we don't usually get to look at old tests. Most professors don't hand back tests and just have us go their office if we want to see it.
 
I'll only address parts of this since I don't want to speak for Coffee? The 4th year coordinator just came and talked to our class so all the info I'm giving is from their powerpoint like 3 weeks ago.

Especially since I have heard that there are not many LA cases that come through the VTH and was thinking this might be a possible con with WSU.

For LA rotations you do overnights, and your equine rotation in the hospital itself. For your LA rotation there are 16 different options for that core elective. Only 1 of which is actually confined to the VTH. Others are based in ID, Therio (half hospital-half just out in the state wherever), and FDIU which is a multistate rotation.

Cost is certainly a factor for me, but from what I can see WSU and Oregon are very similar when it comes to cost of tuition, living, etc. Would you agree with this?
I have never lived in OR but VIN map show COL in OR estimated at 8k more.

The issues of 4th year sounds like an unfortunate issue. Would you say that the kennel work gets in way of learning for 4th years? And by kennel assistant forced rotation, do you mean 4th years are forced to basically do tech stuff for a rotation rather than getting to work with vets and get experience, or is it just a component of the rotation?
She didn't mention anything about this in the ppt and I've never heard anything about it. Which is why I'm hoping Coffee can expand or @Caiter92 can clarify. For my info as well.

So you guys have old exams to look at but Oregon students don't? I know at CSU it was an "honor code" that you don't look at old exams. Wondering how that works at WSU?
I don't believe OR students do @ziggyandjazzy @johnsmith123 ? We have a test file of old exams. It's not breaking honor code to look at-like it's on a school drive. Some profs will post previous versions to study from. Some will vastly change how they write the exam year to year, others will not. As you get further into the program these do go away. This semester we have old exams for 1 class. Everything else at this point is super old and irrelevant and alot of exams have moved to computers. Year 3 have no previous exams to reference (they are in the process of slowly phasing out the testing file for year 2&1 as well as moving to computer based exams). Really just depends on class set up/prof preference. Hearing from various faculty they seem pretty split on the issue. This may change with the new dean. Overall if you were just to study from old exams you will still fail-definitely meant more as a study tool.
Honor code is defined for each class. There's the standard like no using your phone, neighbor, etc. Ex- not working with friends on an open note quiz as defined. However, some classes have quizzes that are open note/open person so it's really prof based on the nitty gritty of honor code and if it's a quiz or something like that you work on outside class time they usually tell you their expectations.

Some classes have previous exams you can see or the prof will have practice questions. Definitely had several classes where old tests are available including clin path and immunology. Possibly others?
I’ve heard certain schools won’t let you review your exams at all which isn’t true for osu. Most professors do review sessions after exams or post the key outside their office. Some hand your exams back. Some are online and you can review what you got wrong and correct. It’s really a mix.
 
What would you guys say is the biggest pro and weakest point of each school?
I'll do a little pro and con here (and compare since I also considered WSU but go to OSU).

Con:
- lack of some specialties. I heard it isn't as much of an issue as you can get experience with these in other ways. Most schools are def missing some specialties but I feel like we are missing quite a few (neurology, dermatology, ophthalmology, nutrition, behavior, etc)
- I can bet COL would be higher in corvallis than pullman.
- If you're into certain LA production medicine, it might not be much of a thing in Oregon. I havent spent all that much time in the LA hospital but I do know dairy seems to be the more prevalent thing around here (good luck finding swine or poultry opportunities, but I would imagine that holds true for Washington as well).

Pro:
- Corvallis (and also just all of Oregon) is amazing. I couldn't imagine living in Pullman and it would be my biggest con with WSU. If you are from a small town, it might not bother you. But I think my SO would've had difficulty finding a job there (and also hated it). It also snows a lot there. Corvallis is amazing. Tons of great food and bars. It was voted the best college town in the Pac-12 (and I think one of the top ones in the country). You're an hour from the coast, an hour from the mountains, a little over an hour from Portland, and a couple hours from high desert.
- OSU has one of the best (or the best?) 4th year surgery programs in the country. Every 4th year student spends 3+ weeks at the Oregon Humane Society, which has dorms and a shelter-based teaching hospital (and employs the only full time professor who works at a shelter teaching hospital in the country). You do 50-60 surgeries while you stay there. I feel like that's a lot since there's some schools only have students graduate with less than 5 surgeries.
- Brand new facilities. We just opened a new lecture hall as well as a brand new wing to the small animal hospital. As one of the younger vet schools, OSU has also newer facilities than most others.
- if you're into camelid medicine, there is no better school than OSU


Interestingly enough one of my friends in vet school went to WSU for undergrad and she said WSU's facilities are a lot bigger than OSU. So I would imagine WSU has some things that OSU doesn't have but I cant really speak to that.

Hope this helps!
 
I'll do a little pro and con here (and compare since I also considered WSU but go to OSU).

Con:
- lack of some specialties. I heard it isn't as much of an issue as you can get experience with these in other ways. Most schools are def missing some specialties but I feel like we are missing quite a few (neurology, dermatology, ophthalmology, nutrition, behavior, etc)
- I can bet COL would be higher in corvallis than pullman.
- If you're into certain LA production medicine, it might not be much of a thing in Oregon. I havent spent all that much time in the LA hospital but I do know dairy seems to be the more prevalent thing around here (good luck finding swine or poultry opportunities, but I would imagine that holds true for Washington as well).

Pro:
- Corvallis (and also just all of Oregon) is amazing. I couldn't imagine living in Pullman and it would be my biggest con with WSU. If you are from a small town, it might not bother you. But I think my SO would've had difficulty finding a job there (and also hated it). It also snows a lot there. Corvallis is amazing. Tons of great food and bars. It was voted the best college town in the Pac-12 (and I think one of the top ones in the country). You're an hour from the coast, an hour from the mountains, a little over an hour from Portland, and a couple hours from high desert.
- OSU has one of the best (or the best?) 4th year surgery programs in the country. Every 4th year student spends 3+ weeks at the Oregon Humane Society, which has dorms and a shelter-based teaching hospital (and employs the only full time professor who works at a shelter teaching hospital in the country). You do 50-60 surgeries while you stay there. I feel like that's a lot since there's some schools only have students graduate with less than 5 surgeries.
- Brand new facilities. We just opened a new lecture hall as well as a brand new wing to the small animal hospital. As one of the younger vet schools, OSU has also newer facilities than most others.
- if you're into camelid medicine, there is no better school than OSU


Interestingly enough one of my friends in vet school went to WSU for undergrad and she said WSU's facilities are a lot bigger than OSU. So I would imagine WSU has some things that OSU doesn't have but I cant really speak to that.

Hope this helps!
thanks for the information, that’s super helpful! What are your thoughts on the rain in Corvallis? Is that actually something to be concerned about?
 
thanks for the information, that’s super helpful! What are your thoughts on the rain in Corvallis? Is that actually something to be concerned about?
I’m from Oregon so probably not the best source of info. I would rather have rain then snow personally. The rain doesn’t bother me much and I bike to class every day. And the summers here are super nice and not humid which is also great
 
thanks for the information, that’s super helpful! What are your thoughts on the rain in Corvallis? Is that actually something to be concerned about?
I also am not bothered by the rain and bike every day as well. There are plenty of people who get seasonal depression because of it so definitely a consideration. We probably had 30 days straight of rain last month which was an abnormal amount (based on only living here two years). But it's definitely nonstop during the winter, usually pretty light.
 
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