Wayne State School of Medicine BMS Program

[911Med]

Hey guys -
I just was accepted to Wayne State's MS in BioMedical Science program.
Has anyone been through this? Most of my classmates from U of M who completed this have been accepted into the medical school at Wayne.
Ah! Sunny and safe Detroit, MI - bring it on.

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[Dr Rod]

I have gone to Wayne all of undergrad, and will be starting the BMS program in the fall as well. The program director told me that last year half the people who finished the program were accepted to Wayne's med school. Detroit isn't that bad, although after all the years I've been there my car was stolen on April 1. Anyway, good luck!

 

[toxin]

Please post a link to the program

 

[Dr Rod]

here is the program :

http://www.med.wayne.edu/gradprog/programs/bms.htm

They seem to be pretty easy going as far as the requirements to get in go. The director of the program is a very easy to talk to person. I hope this helps.

 

[911Med]

Kid Rock, Eminem, and neurobiology.
Bring it on.

 

[asdasd12345]

also robocop

 

[911Med]

One of the highest murder rates, Faygo soda, the Insane Clown Posse, 30 degrees below zero winters...it makes one wonder if its worth it.

Two words: medical school

Two more words that soften the blow of putting up with the arctic winters and crime: White Castle.

 

[lotanna]

one of my best friends is finishing up this summer in that program. Its pretty intensive, a lot of gunners, but he likes it, its good prep for med schl, especially the classes, plus if u do ok on MCAT, u've a great shot at wayne state. The down side is that if u dont get in immediately, not much options remain in terms of working with the degree.

 

[Dr Rod]

One other thing about the program; while there isn't much of a job you can get with it, the classes apply toward a phd at Wayne if you ended up getting a really strong interest in cancer biology or physiology or one of the other core areas. I'm sticking to the MD idea, but at least I know it's not a complete dead end as far as options if I don't get in right away.

 

[medic170]

I did not know Wayne had a program. If I had known, i would have applied there. Here I am gunning for Erie, PA. My wife is a grad student at U of M and Detroit is a heck of a lot closer than Erie. I wonder if it is too late to apply. BTW, congrats on your acceptance. Are you going to go there or are you still looking at Duquesne?

 

[Dr Rod]

deadline to apply for Fall is June 1. You need mcat or gre scores. Even though the deadline is June 1, they accept people way past the deadline. I hope this helps.

 

[911Med]

I did not know Wayne had a program. If I had known, i would have applied there. Here I am gunning for Erie, PA. My wife is a grad student at U of M and Detroit is a heck of a lot closer than Erie. I wonder if it is too late to apply. BTW, congrats on your acceptance. Are you going to go there or are you still looking at Duquesne?

Medic170 -
If you have the scores, you should apply. Detroit is MUCH closer than Erie. There is my marriage counseling!

Here is my dilemma - let's for a second rule out the following variables: cost, duration, geography - although I own a house just north of Detroit and could live there if I go WSU BMS.

Here are my options so far: Please respond with your input ANYONE:
Wayne State - BMS
Barry - postbac/BMS
Duquesne (accepted yesterday) post-bac
Columbia - post-bac
My situation is that I still need to pick up 2nd term physics (I only have 1 semester).
Older student, college athlete, 2.8 GPA, now antibiotic research scientist (6 years), publications etc. Will eventually need to retake MCAT (24T). - I had no idea on any of the physical stuff at all.
I have not taken a college course since 1998.

 

[medic170]

Medic170 -
If you have the scores, you should apply. Detroit is MUCH closer than Erie. There is my marriage counseling!

Here is my dilemma - let's for a second rule out the following variables: cost, duration, geography - although I own a house just north of Detroit and could live there if I go WSU BMS.

Here are my options so far: Please respond with your input ANYONE:
Wayne State - BMS
Barry - postbac/BMS
Duquesne (accepted yesterday) post-bac
Columbia - post-bac
My situation is that I still need to pick up 2nd term physics (I only have 1 semester).
Older student, college athlete, 2.8 GPA, now antibiotic research scientist (6 years), publications etc. Will eventually need to retake MCAT (24T). - I had no idea on any of the physical stuff at all.
I have not taken a college course since 1998.

I am missing the 2 physics labs and orgo II. I am taking them at MSU this summer before I go to a post-bacc. Maybe you could do the same with your physics. I don't know much about the other programs, but Duq I think will let you integrate PHYII into your post-bacc curriculum. Also, they have the linkeage agreements(don't know if the others do). For me, skipping the lag year means a lot, which is why I chose LECOM and DUQ. Thats my 2 cents.

 

[CaptainJack02]

This program doesn't sound too successful, IMO. I emailed the director of this program, and his answers were pretty disheartening.
Here are his responses:

Me: How long does the program usually take to complete?
Dr. McCoy: 18 ? 24 MONTHS

Me: Do people take part in research, volunteering, etc outside of the courses?
Dr. M: A FEW DO RESEARCH. MOST VOLUNTEER FOR/IN CLINICAL SETTINGS.]

Me: What percentage of the program graduates are accepted to medical school?
Dr. M: BETWEEN 25 ? 35 % OF THOSE WHO APPLY.

Meo you have some sort of guaranteed interview or acceptance program with Wayne State SOM if one does well in the BMS program?
Dr. M: ABSOLUTELY NOT!! DOING WELL IN THIS PROGRAM (3.60 GPA & 9 ? 10 AVG MCAT

Me:What is the cost for the entire program?
Dr.M: RESIDENT TUITION = $262.60/CRHR = $8928 TOTAL; NON-RESIDENT TUITION = $579.80/CRHR = $19713 TOTAL.]

Ouch. I was seriously debating doing this program, BU, SMP, or just doing a post bacc at Harvard extension. I think the answer is becoming clearer by the minute. Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know.

Cheers
Captjack

 

[tazzysoze]

I'm in the BMS program right now, and it's a great prep for med schools (I'm applying right now). You take the same classes as med students, the material, professors, and the notes are exactly the same. So, if you do well in the BMS, you have a great shot at Wayne. And the first year will be easy, cuz you have taken most of the classes already.

It's not given that you'll do well, but that goes for almost anything. If you work at it, it's a great prep for med school.

 

[heymisslady]

Just to give you guys some insite on what's happening here at WSU. They do have a post-bacc program for disadvantaged students. If you get in you recieve a stipend, don't have to pay tuition, have to retake the mcat, but you are guaranteed a spoot in the next freshman class (no matter what your score is). Just adding my two cents

 

[medic170]

Just to give you guys some insite on what's happening here at WSU. They do have a post-bacc program for disadvantaged students. If you get in you recieve a stipend, don't have to pay tuition, have to retake the mcat, but you are guaranteed a spoot in the next freshman class (no matter what your score is). Just adding my two cents

Don't you have to be invited to apply to that particular program after being rejected by Wayne, something like MSU's ABLE program? I think 911 Med is talking about the Masters program is Basic Biomed Sciences, which is actually quite different.

 

[lotanna]

Don't you have to be invited to apply to that particular program after being rejected by Wayne, something like MSU's ABLE program? I think 911 Med is talking about the Masters program is Basic Biomed Sciences, which is actually quite different.

yeah u've to be, plus u've to be 1st generation college graduate

MSU Able is awesome, no need to retake, pretty much pass classes, and ur in the next fall, plus u take biochem able yr. I know many people who went thru it, and even tho i got direct acceptance, if i got ABLE i'd have been happy.

My friend is finishin up his masters in biomed sciences, and the classes are gerat prep but u till have to get in. He has to retake the MCAT, and unless he does ok, it'll be a long road. He also says his classmates are pretty competitive and dont share info

 

[medic170]

yeah u've to be, plus u've to be 1st generation college graduate

Does that just mean that you are only eligible if your parents do not have a BA or BS or higher(mine don't, but my Father got his associate degree through an online correspondance college and "life experience credit" earlier this year).

 

[lotanna]

Does that just mean that you are only eligible if your parents do not have a BA or BS or higher(mine don't, but my Father got his associate degree through an online correspondance college and "life experience credit" earlier this year).

i'm not sure, i know last application cycle, after i was rejected post secondary, i asked and was told that. I dont know if they'd consider associate as going to college-graduating. You should ask

 

[911Med]

Yes, I am referring to the Basic Medical Science MS Program.
2 years MS degree - you have to complete a research essay.

This reserved seat program?
I am unfamiliar with whatever program allows people in with crappy MCATs, pays their tuition, gives them a reserved spot, AND gives them a stipend! So they are making money to go to medical school?
Give me a friggin' break.

If you can't stand the heat get outta the kitchen.

If your not smart enough to be there in the first place, I see no reason why an MD school should bend over backwards and significantly lower their requirements and PAY you to attend.

There HAS to be many more details that people have left out.

 

[medic170]

Yes, I am referring to the Basic Medical Science MS Program.
2 years MS degree - you have to complete a research essay.

This reserved seat program?
I am unfamiliar with whatever program allows people in with crappy MCATs, pays their tuition, gives them a reserved spot, AND gives them a stipend! So they are making money to go to medical school?
Give me a friggin' break.

If you can't stand the heat get outta the kitchen.

If your not smart enough to be there in the first place, I see no reason why an MD school should bend over backwards and significantly lower their requirements and PAY you to attend.

There HAS to be many more details that people have left out.

No , its true. Check out the ABLE program at MSUCHM web site, it is basically the same thing as what they are talking about at Wayne. You have to be rejected by the MD admissions and then invited to participate. It is exculsivly for whatever they consider to be disadvantaged applicants. Also, you can't have "crappy" scores, it is what the ADCOM deems "competitive" but in need of more preparation. They do not pay you to go to medical school, they pay you the stripend and tuition for the program though, then you start MD school normally(and pay for it) in the following year class.

 

[911Med]

No , its true. Check out the ABLE program at MSUCHM web site, it is basically the same thing as what they are talking about at Wayne. You have to be rejected by the MD admissions and then invited to participate. It is exculsivly for whatever they consider to be disadvantaged applicants. Also, you can't have "crappy" scores, it is what the ADCOM deems "competitive" but in need of more preparation. They do not pay you to go to medical school, they pay you the stripend and tuition for the program though, then you start MD school normally(and pay for it) in the following year class.

O.K., so these are basically "competitive" URM's that applied like the rest of us and did not get in. Whew!

My BP shot up as I was reading these posts and thinking that they grab Joe undergrad and say "Hey, wanna spot in med school? How about some extra cash along the way?" - the whole thing sounded like an MTV reality show.

Yes, UCSD has the exact same program - URMs, applied to a US MD school and rejected, blah blah blah.

Wait - so as of 2006 admissions, caucasian, middle class, males are a URM right? Sweet - I am SO in that program.

This should be directed towards "reapplicants" - not post-bacs.

 

[medic170]

O.K., so these are basically "competitive" URM's that applied like the rest of us and did not get in. Whew!

My BP shot up as I was reading these posts and thinking that they grab Joe undergrad and say "Hey, wanna spot in med school? How about some extra cash along the way?" - the whole thing sounded like an MTV reality show.

Yes, UCSD has the exact same program - URMs, applied to a US MD school and rejected, blah blah blah.

Wait - so as of 2006 admissions, caucasian, middle class, males are a URM right? Sweet - I am SO in that program.

This should be directed towards "reapplicants" - not post-bacs.

Right, except this is not necessarily for URM's. They don't use race as an indicator, they use socioeconomic status.

 

[lotanna]

911med, medic is right about the Wayne and MSU Able. I'm aware about MSU ABLE very well, cause i worked there. Several people there end up doing way better than the regular class even