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I'm currently choosing between these two programs and looking for advice/someone to bounce ideas off of. I definitely prefer Detroit as a city and love the urban environment but I really don't think I can justify the cost difference between both schools. As far as my career interests go, I've always had a strong interest in an academic IM residency which would allow me to match into a good fellowship program (particularly heme/onc or cards), but I would like to keep doors open in case my interests change. As far as long term plans, I don't have a high interest in staying in either city for longer than med school and would try to work pretty hard to match somewhere I'd like to stay in the long run.
Wayne State (280k tuition/360k COA)
Pros:
- Higher ranked (#65, so marginal?)
- More access to research/7x more research funding
- More diverse clinical rotations/urban medicine/rotation sites are better
- Larger and more vibrant city, WAY better for a young single person with better nightlife/sports culture
- Many student orgs focused on urban health
- Somewhat more well known in the Midwest
Cons:
- Notably more expensive (at least 120k but probably more like 150k)
- Curriculum being changed, students say not by much?
- Matches many students at community programs in Detroit, maybe due to self selection bias
- H/P/F grading with internal rankings and AOA in preclinical years
Toledo (175k tuition/235k COA)
Pros:
- In state tuition after 1 year lowers cost
- Collaborative environment, students seem pretty chill
- Matches decently well in IM and overall
- Systems based, traditional curriculum
- P/F preclinical with NO internal ranking
Cons:
- Lower ranked (#118)
- AOA determined by 3rd year grades adds stress to that year
- Not much research, would likely need to look at other institutions (UM, OSU, Case are all close-ish. Is this even possible?)
- Required 8 weeks of rural rotations
- Rotation sites overall are limited
- City is really not that great, I liked Detroit a lot more
Nonfactors between the two: distance from family (equal), personal fit, class size
Would anyone be able to comment if Wayne’s higher ranking is enough to justify the increased tuition? I feel like it probably isn’t, but would love opinions on that.
Wayne State (280k tuition/360k COA)
Pros:
- Higher ranked (#65, so marginal?)
- More access to research/7x more research funding
- More diverse clinical rotations/urban medicine/rotation sites are better
- Larger and more vibrant city, WAY better for a young single person with better nightlife/sports culture
- Many student orgs focused on urban health
- Somewhat more well known in the Midwest
Cons:
- Notably more expensive (at least 120k but probably more like 150k)
- Curriculum being changed, students say not by much?
- Matches many students at community programs in Detroit, maybe due to self selection bias
- H/P/F grading with internal rankings and AOA in preclinical years
Toledo (175k tuition/235k COA)
Pros:
- In state tuition after 1 year lowers cost
- Collaborative environment, students seem pretty chill
- Matches decently well in IM and overall
- Systems based, traditional curriculum
- P/F preclinical with NO internal ranking
Cons:
- Lower ranked (#118)
- AOA determined by 3rd year grades adds stress to that year
- Not much research, would likely need to look at other institutions (UM, OSU, Case are all close-ish. Is this even possible?)
- Required 8 weeks of rural rotations
- Rotation sites overall are limited
- City is really not that great, I liked Detroit a lot more
Nonfactors between the two: distance from family (equal), personal fit, class size
Would anyone be able to comment if Wayne’s higher ranking is enough to justify the increased tuition? I feel like it probably isn’t, but would love opinions on that.
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