"We have never given honors."

[RisingSun]

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Anyone else have a rotation where the site director said that they had never given a student an honors before? Heard that today, was told that everyone passes, only the very exceptional receive high pass, and that no one has ever been given honors.

Makes you want to say F- it.

 

[Scaredshizzles]

Anyone else have a rotation where the site director said that they had never given a student an honors before? Heard that today, was told that everyone passes, only the very exceptional receive high pass, and that no one has ever been given honors.

Makes you want to say F- it.

Is this at an affiliate site of your school? Tell your school's clerkship director ASAP. It isn't appropriate for anyone to say we never give honors, honors are part of the grading system and meant to be plausible outcomes. At most schools, at least 10-15% of students get honors in any given clerkship cycle.

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

Just another part of 3rd year that makes you want to stab your eyes out.

 

[lord_jeebus]

Most MSPEs (if not all) include bar graphs showing the breakdown of grades for the clerkships at your school, if this is any consolation.

 

[ACSurgeon]

Anyone else have a rotation where the site director said that they had never given a student an honors before? Heard that today, was told that everyone passes, only the very exceptional receive high pass, and that no one has ever been given honors.

Makes you want to say F- it.

It doesn't sound too much worse than "only 5-10% get honors." I think the p value is 0.5 if you do the math

 

[Green Chimneys]

Even if it's true, sounds like a pretty idiotic statement to make by the clerkship director as it's a pretty serious disincentive to medical students putting forth any level of effort. If you're not going to fail short of gross misconduct or absenteeism (and let's be honest, short of this clinical fail grades are hard to come by), and you're not going to get higher than a pass no matter how hard you work and how much you impress them, what is the point? After a statement like that I see no reason not to do exactly what is asked of you and nothing more, and then duck out to the library any chance you get to study for the shelf.👎

 

[Pontifex Maximus]

Most MSPEs (if not all) include bar graphs showing the breakdown of grades for the clerkships at your school, if this is any consolation.

Yeah, but no one really looks at this. They look at your honors or lack thereof and move on.

 

[RisingSun]

This was not the clerkship director, it was from the site director (I was assigned an outpatient site away from our Children's hospital). Problem is that in order to honor the clerkship we have to get honors in our clinical eval and on our standardized test (not the shelf) that we take on the final day.

I'm chocking this up as experience and learning as much as I can from the clerkship for my own edification and for step II. Guess we can't honors everything we want to but it is frustrating that to know that one won't be getting honors no matter what how well you do in the clinics and on the final.

Sometimes I feel that third year gets in the way of learning medicine.

 

[VMSmith]

Is this at an affiliate site of your school? Tell your school's clerkship director ASAP. It isn't appropriate for anyone to say we never give honors, honors are part of the grading system and meant to be plausible outcomes. At most schools, at least 10-15% of students get honors in any given clerkship cycle.

I agree that you (or your student government reps) should talk to your clerkship director about it. If that gets you nowhere I'd talk to your associate dean about it.

A clerkship that everyone passes and nobody honors is ridiculous, unless your entire 3rd year is pass/fail. Grading should at least have the appearance of being consistent from rotation to rotation.