Weight loss = Mention it?

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I'm not sure it really has a place in the primary application unless you want to use one of the 15 spots for your "hobbies" which could include working out and exercising. You could briefly mention the amount of weight that you lost.

But I agree with what others have said about it being a good topic to add into some secondary essays. It is clearly something that was a large accomplishment for you. I remember a couple of different secondaries which ask about non-academic accomplishments.

Adversity can be anything challenging that took hard work and/or determination in order to overcome. Regardless of how the OP gained the weight in the first place, it certainly took a drastic lifestyle change and a heck of a lot of determination in order to overcome it. Many people never make that change due to an array of challenging circumstances. That is something that should absolutely be included in the application and could be relevant down the road in his or her experiences with patients.

OP, I think include it wherever you feel most comfortable. I think keeping it in your pocket for secondary essays and to answer questions during interviews is probably your best bet. But, its really up to you.

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I'm not sure it really has a place in the primary application unless you want to use one of the 15 spots for your "hobbies" which could include working out and exercising. You could briefly mention the amount of weight that you lost.

But I agree with what others have said about it being a good topic to add into some secondary essays. It is clearly something that was a large accomplishment for you. I remember a couple of different secondaries which ask about non-academic accomplishments.

Adversity can be anything challenging that took hard work and/or determination in order to overcome. Regardless of how the OP gained the weight in the first place, it certainly took a drastic lifestyle change and a heck of a lot of determination in order to overcome it. Many people never make that change due to an array of challenging circumstances. That is something that should absolutely be included in the application and could be relevant down the road in his or her experiences with patients.

OP, I think include it wherever you feel most comfortable. I think keeping it in your pocket for secondary essays and to answer questions during interviews is probably your best bet. But, its really up to you.

When I think of adversity I think of homelessness, disability, severe illness, etc. I don't think weight loss counts when the weight was due to lifestyle choices in the first place.

Adversity is used too lightly sometimes imo.

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Instead of multi-quoting, I'll just address this to everyone saying weight loss is an example of adversity.

Can you explain that to me? Perhaps if you were disabled and/or had health problems that lead to obesity, then I might consider weight loss "overcoming adversity". If you're just heavy because as a kid you weren't active, didn't eat well, or any other lifestyle choices I don't think it counts as adversity..

Plus bad eatng habits learned as a kid are not the kids fault, its the parents. We become who we will become as kids and carry those traits into adult hood. So childhood obesity is an unfair obstacle, just like a learning disorder, to be overcomed.
 
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Plus bad eatng habits learned as a kid are not the kids fault, its the parents. We become who we will become as kids and carry those traits into adult hood. So childhood obesity is an unfair obstacle, just like a learning disorder, to be overcomed.

No dude. Childhood obesity due to poor diet and lack of physical activity is nothing like a learning disorder.

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No dude. Childhood obesity due to poor diet and lack of physical activity is nothing like a learning disorder.

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It scares me how dumb some people with medical school acceptances are.
 
When I think of adversity I think of homelessness, disability, severe illness, etc. I don't think weight loss counts when the weight was due to lifestyle choices in the first place.

Adversity is used too lightly sometimes imo.

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Agreed. Usually the "adversities" from obesity come on (in young adults) after years of failing to address the issues causing obesity.

As for middle aged adults who are obese, complications can arise much quicker.

I would avoid putting it in your secondaries unless you did something in the community to address the obesity problem.

In interviews, mentioning it is not necessarily bad, but only if the opportunity is appropriate.
 
Obesity with or without underlying disease as a cause is a beast to challenge in either case though definitely differing in difficulty. An exam makes a poor parallel. The difference of losing that weight in presence or absence of an underlying condition simply divides the feat by magnitude of accomplishment. Both are substantial accomplishments despite their difference in level of difficulty imo.
 
Obesity with or without underlying disease as a cause is a beast to challenge in either case though definitely differing in difficulty. An exam makes a poor parallel. The difference of losing that weight in presence or absence of an underlying condition simply divides the feat by magnitude of accomplishment. Both are substantial accomplishments despite their difference in level of difficulty imo.

Agree. I'm not saying that losing (and keeping off) substantial weight isn't difficult. I'm saying that it isn't an example of overcoming adversity.

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On that we agree, especially when you said that people use the word, "adversity", too lightly.
 
Yeah, it is not overcoming adversity, even if you were bullied/teased for your weight problem.

It is called "taking care of yourself".

And it's not like taking care of my diabetes and taking drastic steps to have decent numbers is overcoming adversity.

Having a weight problem and then making the decision to take steps to reach a normal weight--which everyone should ideally be--is NOT overcoming adversity.
 
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Agree. I'm not saying that losing (and keeping off) substantial weight isn't difficult. I'm saying that it isn't an example of overcoming adversity.

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Losing weight = difficult
Adversity = "state of serious or continued difficulty" (Merriam-Webster)
Losing weight =/= adversity
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It all depends on what you think "adversity" means. If your standard for "adversity" is literally being mentally ******ed, then almost nobody would have the ability to answer these secondary questions. I understand adversity to mean a difficult or challenging situation. That seems to be the meaning used in this context as well based on the answers to this kind of question I've seen. Losing weight is a difficult thing - that's something almost everyone would agree on. It all comes down to what your standard for "adversity" is.
 
Losing weight = difficult
Adversity = "state of serious or continued difficulty" (Merriam-Webster)
Losing weight =/= adversity
wat

It all depends on what you think "adversity" means. If your standard for "adversity" is literally being mentally ******ed, then almost nobody would have the ability to answer these secondary questions. I understand adversity to mean a difficult or challenging situation. That seems to be the meaning used in this context as well based on the answers to this kind of question I've seen. Losing weight is a difficult thing - that's something almost everyone would agree on. It all comes down to what your standard for "adversity" is.

I see where you're coming from, but I just don't agree that the type of difficulty involved in weight loss constitutes adversity.

Getting six pack abs is difficult. Benching 225 for reps is difficult. Running a mile under 6 minutes is difficult. Those things arguably take just as much, if not more, effort as losing 80+lbs. Do they count as overcoming adversity?

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Losing weight = difficult
Adversity = "state of serious or continued difficulty" (Merriam-Webster)
Losing weight =/= adversity
wat

It all depends on what you think "adversity" means. If your standard for "adversity" is literally being mentally ******ed, then almost nobody would have the ability to answer these secondary questions. I understand adversity to mean a difficult or challenging situation. That seems to be the meaning used in this context as well based on the answers to this kind of question I've seen. Losing weight is a difficult thing - that's something almost everyone would agree on. It all comes down to what your standard for "adversity" is.

Agree with this. If OP was never homeless, severely ill, or otherwise faced with "adverse" circumstances, then why should he/she not be able to answer that question with his battle losing weight?

I'm not an adcom but I think it shows some very strong qualities that I would want in a candidate. Life tends to be forgiving. Sure, OP had a weight issue earlier in life but he was able to come out of it much healthier. That is an accomplishment which most people who are overweight never achieve. I think given the odds of losing that much weight, it is certainly an "adverse" situation.

It does depend on your definition of adverse. Maybe I am using it too loosely, but applications are all about what you learned in your experiences and how they will better you as a physician. I see no reason why this doesn't fit those criteria.
 
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This is ridiculous. Losing that much weight is commendable but it's not an EC.

It sounds fine as a PS topic though.
 
Agree with this. If OP was never homeless, severely ill, or otherwise faced with "adverse" circumstances, then why should he/she not be able to answer that question with his battle losing weight?

I'm not an adcom but I think it shows some very strong qualities that I would want in a candidate. Life tends to be forgiving. Sure, OP had a weight issue earlier in life but he was able to come out of it much healthier. That is an accomplishment which most people who are overweight never achieve. I think given the odds of losing that much weight, it is certainly an "adverse" situation.

It does depend on your definition of adverse. Maybe I am using it too loosely, but applications are all about what you learned in your experiences and how they will better you as a physician. I see no reason why this doesn't fit those criteria.

If the greatest adversity you've had in your life is having too much to eat as a child.. well, then idk what to tell you.

I'm not saying OP isn't allowed to do it. I'm saying some adcoms (perhaps only the "adversity" snobby ones) might frown upon it.
 
If the greatest adversity you've had in your life is having too much to eat as a child.. well, then idk what to tell you.

I'm not saying OP isn't allowed to do it. I'm saying some adcoms (perhaps only the "adversity" snobby ones) might frown upon it.

I would say that covers a small chunk of people. In terms of "adversity", for some, they have to be creative. Ex: The rich and fabulous kids who never had school problems, health problems, were amazing in everything, had loving parents, and lived in a 5 story mansion. They had to overcome adversity when they were crushed they were only getting a Mitsubishi for Christmas, and had to work hard to convince their parents that an Aston Martin is the right choice.
 
If the greatest adversity you've had in your life is having too much to eat as a child.. well, then idk what to tell you.

I'm not saying OP isn't allowed to do it. I'm saying some adcoms (perhaps only the "adversity" snobby ones) might frown upon it.

As I mentioned before I included it in my AMCAS, and it was brought up at every single interview in a positive way. Most of the times it was a nice segue into seeing how I might counsel obese patients if I were to become a physician.

No, losing weight is not at all anything comparable to "real life ****," but if, like me, someone hasn't had the misfortune of going through "real life ****" (or at least things you feel comfortable discussing) to any real degree, my (and others') options to respond to a prompt like this are limited. That's great that you presumably had something to talk about. Many people do not. And just because presumably you (and others) went through legitimately difficult and challenging situations in your life doesn't mean that others simply can't talk about what they perceive to be as adversity in their lives, even it might be somewhat trivial in comparison. That's ridiculous.
 
As I mentioned before I included it in my AMCAS, and it was brought up at every single interview in a positive way. Most of the times it was a nice segue into seeing how I might counsel obese patients if I were to become a physician.

No, losing weight is not at all anything comparable to "real life ****," but if, like me, someone hasn't had the misfortune of going through "real life ****" to any real degree, my (and others') options to respond to a prompt like this are limited. That's great that you presumably had something to talk about. Many people do not.

If someone truly has no other difficulties to talk about then I can see why weight loss would be used in a secondary specifically asking about an instance where you overcame adversity. However, that's not the same as writing it somewhere else (ps, AMCAS, non-adversity secondary) and calling it adversity. It's like stealing food so you don't starve vs stealing food because you don't want to spend money. Imo don't call it adversity unless you're "forced" to by a secondary.


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If the greatest adversity you've had in your life is having too much to eat as a child.. well, then idk what to tell you.

I'm not saying OP isn't allowed to do it. I'm saying some adcoms (perhaps only the "adversity" snobby ones) might frown upon it.

You are out of touch with reality. With each post, you show your ignorance.

I still remember what it was like to be an obese kid in elementary school. The kids come at you like a pack of wolves. After yet another rough day at school, your obese parents tell you you're fine just the way you are. Then they take you to McDonald's for a happy meal, or Dairy Queen for an ice cream.
 
You are out of touch with reality. With each post, you show your ignorance.

I still remember what it was like to be an obese kid in elementary school. The kids come at you like a pack of wolves. After yet another rough day at school, your obese parents tell you you're fine just the way you are. Then they take you to McDonald's for a happy meal, or Dairy Queen for an ice cream.

I've acknowledged OP's weight loss as a great accomplishment and I have not once tried to take away from that. However, if thinking that weight loss is not an example of overcoming adversity makes me ignorant, then I guess I'm ignorant.
 
This cycle's almost to a close and I'm thinking about what extracurriculars to mention for the next cycle when I reapply.

I've lost about 80 pounds since freshman year of college, coming down from 38 BMI to something like 25. This is all through diet and exercise, btw. A lot of this is due to me talking to my doctor and consulting closely with him every few months to make sure I was on target and doing the right thing.

Should I emphasize that when I state my reasons for being interested in family medicine in particular? Should I mention weight loss as one of my extracurriculars in the AMCAS, since I spent like 1.5 hours a day on it, 5 days a week for the last four years? I want to, but am afraid it may come off as trying to score political points instead of being genuine.

Great Job! But really... are you serious? I would never ever even consider putting down that I was able to get my bench up to 300 :laugh: That's like saying "One of my favorite hobbies is playing Counter Strike. After months of effort I was able to get my KDR from a 2.0 to a 3.0!" lolol
 
You are out of touch with reality. With each post, you show your ignorance.

I still remember what it was like to be an obese kid in elementary school. The kids come at you like a pack of wolves. After yet another rough day at school, your obese parents tell you you're fine just the way you are. Then they take you to McDonald's for a happy meal, or Dairy Queen for an ice cream.

I do feel bad for people who are obese. However, I do not think that just losing weight through diet and exercise is truly an adversity.

I was always (just barely) a normal weight as a kid, and yes, as a kid, I was teased for being "fat". I had to go to an endocrinologist (for diabetes management) every three months and I always was proportionate, relative to my height percentage, in weight. This was checked at every appointment, regardless of the doctor or practice.

While I do believe that losing weight and keeping it off is very difficult (my dad is an example of a success story--he lost 70 lbs and exercised like Jack La Lane constantly, for years), I do not believe it is overcoming an adversity. It is kind of weak, relative to what the essay is asking you.

However, if you chose to use your weight loss to serve a cause higher than yourself, such as becoming a wellness coach (even at your university's wellness center), then you can make yourself stand out.

If you have struggled with your weight in the past--it is likely an ongoing problem. If you lose weight, keep it off, do something in your community to address the struggles that you have experienced, I would be more likely to think that you are able to overcome your weight problem in the long term. As for just losing weight---who cares, most people can do it with proper resources, although it is not easy.

I cannot pat myself on the back for taking care of my diabetes. I never got rewarded for dropping my Hemoglobin A1c to a 5.4% (at one point of time in my life) or for just keeping it low in general. And yes--it is time consuming and it is challenging. I have to wear and keep lots of medical supplies and equipment with me at all times. The type of diabetes I have requires 24/7 management. Can I call it an EC--no way. Should I make it a central point in my personal statement?--no way, it shows I have health problems. Doing something with it in my community, such as being a mentor for somebody with type 1 diabetes, is the kind of thing that Adcoms are looking for.

The idea of using the topic of weight loss in your app is just ridiculous--along with claiming weight loss as an EC, or making it a huge part of your personal statement. Nobody should be rewarded for just taking care of yourself. It is expected of you, whether you choose to be a physician or not.
 
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The idea of using the topic of weight loss in your app is just ridiculous--along with claiming weight loss as an EC, or making it a huge part of your personal statement. Nobody should be rewarded for just taking care of yourself. It is expected of you, whether you choose to be a physician or not.

You are welcome to your opinion, however it is not based in reality. As I mentioned before, I mentioned losing weight in the context of completing a half marathon as a hobby and it was looked on positively by every single interviewer that mentioned it, which was probably 95% of them. Mentioning stuff like this in your app isn't for the purpose of being praised or applauded. It is for the purpose of providing insight into who you are as a person. Now you are of course free to think that anyone who is overweight is simply irresponsible (though I think that's terribly naive and asinine), but regardless of what you think losing weight over a long period of time and keeping it off demonstrate some desirable characteristics about a person.

I wonder how things look from that horse you're on. Is it a good view?

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It sounds as though you worked out and ate right in order to lose all that weight.

I would probably focus on the type of exercise that you did every day and list it as a hobby. Just as an athlete may list their favorite sports as a hobby. If you cook your own healthy food, you might list cooking as a hobby too.

If you list how frequently you work out it will probably get at least one question from an interviewer. That would be a good chance to mention that you were over weight and you started coming up with a plan with your doctor and lost 80 pounds over the course if X years.
 
You are welcome to your opinion, however it is not based in reality. As I mentioned before, I mentioned losing weight in the context of completing a half marathon as a hobby and it was looked on positively by every single interviewer that mentioned it, which was probably 95% of them. Mentioning stuff like this in your app isn't for the purpose of being praised or applauded. It is for the purpose of providing insight into who you are as a person. Now you are of course free to think that anyone who is overweight is simply irresponsible (though I think that's terribly naive and asinine), but regardless of what you think losing weight over a long period of time and keeping it off demonstrate some desirable characteristics about a person.

I wonder how things look from that horse you're on. Is it a good view?

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It sounds as though you worked out and ate right in order to lose all that weight.

I would probably focus on the type of exercise that you did every day and list it as a hobby. Just as an athlete may list their favorite sports as a hobby. If you cook your own healthy food, you might list cooking as a hobby too.

If you list how frequently you work out it will probably get at least one question from an interviewer. That would be a good chance to mention that you were over weight and you started coming up with a plan with your doctor and lost 80 pounds over the course if X years.

Personally I understand why you would want to include it in your application. I lost 81 pounds over the course of a year in college as well and became interested in bodybuilding after that. Since it does take up a significant amount of time ( 10-12 hours/ week) it does add up to a significant number of hours that you might want to include.

I also used how the weight loss/bodybuilding requires dedication/discipline/commitment and a very strong work ethic... and tied them to characteristics that are important in doctors.

just my 2 cents.
 
You are welcome to your opinion, however it is not based in reality. As I mentioned before, I mentioned losing weight in the context of completing a half marathon as a hobby and it was looked on positively by every single interviewer that mentioned it, which was probably 95% of them. Mentioning stuff like this in your app isn't for the purpose of being praised or applauded. It is for the purpose of providing insight into who you are as a person. Now you are of course free to think that anyone who is overweight is simply irresponsible (though I think that's terribly naive and asinine), but regardless of what you think losing weight over a long period of time and keeping it off demonstrate some desirable characteristics about a person.

I wonder how things look from that horse you're on. Is it a good view?

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I think going from obese to completing a half marathon is a little different than just losing weight. It's also completely different that you mentioned weight loss in the context of another accomplishment, rather than just weight loss as the accomplishment.
 
Seriously OP, just start lifting, and a couple years later go to a local powerlifting comp. Nobody is going to boo you off the stage just because you can only DL 400, which btw makes you stronger than 95+% of the nation.

Then you'll have something really cool and unique to put on your app.
 
If the greatest adversity you've had in your life is having too much to eat as a child.. well, then idk what to tell you.

I'm not saying OP isn't allowed to do it. I'm saying some adcoms (perhaps only the "adversity" snobby ones) might frown upon it.

I hope this isn't your vast opinion of overweight people. I have a few cousins that live with their single mom in an extremely rural town. For food they would walk to McDonalds or a gas station because there was no grocery store and their mom worked 2 jobs. No way could they pay for a gym membership. They simply didn't eat the right foods from birth (NOT too much), which resulted in both being over 350 lbs by the age of 10. If they were to lose the weight Hell yeah would I consider it overcoming adversity.

However, before I meant only to be used FOR an adversity secondary (or otherwise relevant) essay topic.
 
I get what MedPR is saying in a literal/letter of the law sense of "adversity," but I think it is pretty well acknowledged that obesity can be a crippling in terms of mental health and social competency, regardless of the reason for the obesity. So while it is not as life-threatening as living in a box in the street for lack of funds, it is a very serious issue. Given the choice to re-enter life as an 8 year old with Type I DM or being severely obese, I would probably be getting fitted for a insulin pump as we speak.
 
Obesity correlates strongly with poor health outcomes, and among women (though not men) with reduced earning power and educational attainment, likely due to strong societal stigma. That sounds a lot like adversity to me - being obese leads to illness and can hurt your job prospects and social standing.

Losing large amounts of weight and keeping that weight off is significant because of how unusual successes are statistically - it shows not only dedication and perseverence, but also forethought, planning, and a commitment to changing one's entire lifestyle and not merely an aspect or two of diet and exercise.

I agree that weight loss per se is not an extracurricular activity, but if you can write a well-thought-out essay about how your weight loss efforts demonstrate strong personal character and work ethic.

p.s. Obesity and overweight are not moral issues. We're not living in the middle ages; we don't have to talk about gluttony as a mortal sin. There are no significant correlations between being obese/overweight and being lazy or lacking self-control. Instead, obesity/overweight are strongly correlated with poverty, lack of access to healthful foods, lack of health education, racial disparities, and other traditional sources of "adversity".

The danger of stigmatizing obesity and overweight as signs of poor moral character is that people who are ashamed of being fat - ashamed of their bodies - are actually less likely to lose weight. For every kid who gets bullied for their weight at school and decides to lose that extra weight, you're going to have far more who learn to loathe their bodies. People who loathe their bodies are, unsurprisingly, less likely to invest time and effort into taking care of their bodies. If you want to motivate people to lose weight and keep that weight off, teaching people to love their bodies at any size may well be the way to go. Teach someone to love exercise and enjoy a healthy diet, and over time they may gain the determination and ability to lose their extra weight (not to mention they will already have the tools necessary to do so).
 
I get what MedPR is saying in a literal/letter of the law sense of "adversity," but I think it is pretty well acknowledged that obesity can be a crippling in terms of mental health and social competency, regardless of the reason for the obesity. So while it is not as life-threatening as living in a box in the street for lack of funds, it is a very serious issue. Given the choice to re-enter life as an 8 year old with Type I DM or being severely obese, I would probably be getting fitted for a insulin pump as we speak.

Agreed. That is a no-brainer, coming from somebody with type 1 DM, and especially with continuous glucose monitors being available.

But, I do not know a lot of type 1s who are anti-insulin pump. Most type 1s are excited to get an insulin pump or a new insulin pump for that matter. The same goes with continuous glucose monitors, although they do have their annoyances.

I would not want to be type 2.....ever. I would much rather be type 1.
 
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You are welcome to your opinion, however it is not based in reality. As I mentioned before, I mentioned losing weight in the context of completing a half marathon as a hobby and it was looked on positively by every single interviewer that mentioned it, which was probably 95% of them. Mentioning stuff like this in your app isn't for the purpose of being praised or applauded. It is for the purpose of providing insight into who you are as a person. Now you are of course free to think that anyone who is overweight is simply irresponsible (though I think that's terribly naive and asinine), but regardless of what you think losing weight over a long period of time and keeping it off demonstrate some desirable characteristics about a person.

I wonder how things look from that horse you're on. Is it a good view?

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As MedPR said, doing something beyond taking care of your "personal health needs" would qualify as an extracurricular. This includes running a half-marathon.

I do not believe that obesity is an individual's fault, or due to irresponsibility. Obesity is more of a social issue and problem.

I do have respect for people who lose the weight and keep it off. But, I do not think it should be claimed on AMCAS. It is almost expected of you as a future physician to take care of your health needs and to take the steps to stay healthy.
 
Yes mention it. I lost ~50 pounds during my two gap years, and interviewers always seemed impressed when I brought it up. Losing significant weight shows that you have character and discipline, which is what many schools are looking for (or at least what interviewers told me they are looking for).
 
whether you believe it belongs on AMCAS or not, you have to realize that it is at least debatable, and many adcom members may see it as inappropriate. so if you include it as an activity, you are taking a risk. it would be much safer to work it into your PS or secondary essays.

but IMO taking care of your personal health doesn't belong on the application. that's one of those things that is expected of you, and can count against you if you don't do it, but its not exceptional when you do it.
 
whether you believe it belongs on AMCAS or not, you have to realize that it is at least debatable, and many adcom members may see it as inappropriate. so if you include it as an activity, you are taking a risk. it would be much safer to work it into your PS or secondary essays.

but IMO taking care of your personal health doesn't belong on the application. that's one of those things that is expected of you, and can count against you if you don't do it, but its not exceptional when you do it.

I agree that putting weight loss on AMCAS as an activity is probably not advisable. However, in my experience it is a valid topic to include in your PS and secondaries as long as the context is correct. As for response from adcoms/interviewers, I found that in almost every case when it came up the response was very positive.
 
Its like an achievement....it is really not easy to maintain the weight loss and if you've able to achieve that than it has to be mentioned everywhere.
 
I lost over 100 pounds and bulked up. I'm not proud of losing the weight because I let myself get fat in the first place. I was just undoing what I screwed up, breaking even. Now I am proud of my strength and PRs.
 
Agreed. That is a no-brainer, coming from somebody with type 1 DM, and especially with continuous glucose monitors being available.

But, I do not know a lot of type 1s who are anti-insulin pump. Most type 1s are excited to get an insulin pump or a new insulin pump for that matter. The same goes with continuous glucose monitors, although they do have their annoyances.

I would not want to be type 2.....ever. I would much rather be type 1.
I wouldn't. Type 2 is reversible, Type 1 is not. I would take type 2 all day every day.
 
Depending on the individual it can be just as difficult to gain weight so why not?
 
OP might be old, but topic is still relevant and warrants continued discussion.

Fair point, personally I think if they did something like running/weightlifting they can just list it as a hobby, but yeah I wouldn't put weight loss down. In the description one could mention that it was an effective way to keep their weight under control.
 
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