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[firefighter9015]

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First before I say anything I am going to give you my diclaimer. This thread is by no means meant to start a fight on the forums. It is for information purposes of what is going on in the professional world that we will or currently do work in. If you can't handle that, I am sorry.

This is a resolution that the AMA will be voting on in their HOD.
Resolution 303 Protection of the Titles "Doctor," "Resident" and
"Residency"


http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/471/303.doc


The "Resolved" clauses in Resolution 303 state that:


"RESOLVED, That our American Medical Association adopt that the title
"Doctor," in a medical setting, apply only to physicians licensed to
practice medicine in all its branches, dentists and podiatrists (New HOD
Policy); and be it further


RESOLVED, That our AMA adopt policy that the title "Resident" apply only
to individuals enrolled in physician, dentist or podiatrist training
programs (New HOD Policy); and be it further


RESOLVED, That our AMA adopt policy that the title "Residency" apply
only to physician, dentist or podiatrist training programs (New HOD
Policy); and be it further


RESOLVED, That our AMA serve to protect, through legislation, the titles
"Doctor," "Resident" and "Residency." (Directive to Take Action)"


Resolution 214 Doctor of Nursing Practice


http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/471/214.doc


The "Resolved" clauses in Resolution 214 state that:


"RESOLVED, That our American Medical Association oppose the National
Board of Medical Examiners participating in any credentialing procedures
for Doctors of Nursing Practitioners (DrNP) and refrain from producing
test questions to certify these DrNP candidates (New HOD Policy); and be
it further


RESOLVED, That our AMA make it a legislative priority to urge Congress
to increase funding for residency slots, particularly primary care
physicians (Directive to Take Action); and be it further


RESOLVED, That our AMA adopt a policy that those nurses who are Doctors
of Nursing Practice must only be able to practice under the supervision
of a physician and as part of a medical team with the final authority
and responsibility for the patient under the supervision of a licensed
physician. (New HOD Policy)"


I think that pharmacy orgs will be sumbmitting there critical appraisal of this resolution to be presented to the AMAs HOD.

 

[amartins02]

I've had arguments about this with friends of mine who are dentists. I say "you specialize in the cranio-facial area and are called doctor because you have a DMD. We specialize in drugs for the body and have a PharmD. So why doesn't it apply?" They say oh people will confuse you with a real doctor, meaning an MD. But why don't they mistake a dentist for a "doctor"? Because dentists are in a dental office. But pharmacists are in a pharmacy right? It's just a bunch of BS to me.

 

[StallionRx]

Dont really care, but am amazed at how serious people take that title stuff...get over yourself.

The arrogance in medicine never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Asrai]

Dont really care, but am amazed at how serious people take that title stuff...get over yourself.

The arrogance in medicine never ceases to amaze me.

I don't think that this is just a fight of "I'm better than you." This is more of the physicians pushing us out of something we feel we have rightfully earned, and us pushing back. Ever feel like something was taken away from you for no reason other than because someone else decided they could? It's not a matter of arrogance, its a matter of being fair and being given what you have earned.

 

[nnguyenc]

IMO, MD want that superiority in order to fulfill their self-esteem
narcissistic or arrogant it may be

to me, i really don't care...shouldn't lose sleep over it

 

[genesis09]

MDs, in general, don't understand the economic aspect of healthcare. They're fighting a losing battle, but that don't realize it yet. They have to prove that they provide superior care, while NPs/PAs just have to prove equivalent care.

 

[VCU2011]

MDs, in general, don't understand the economic aspect of healthcare. They're fighting a losing battle, but that don't realize it yet. They have to prove that they provide superior care, while NPs/PAs just have to prove equivalent care.

it sounds like there are a bunch of old men and women drafting these articles. 20 years ago a resolution like this would have made sense because physicians did in fact go through much more schooling and training. Today though, other professions (namely us as PharmD's) go through the same amount of training as they do. To work in a clinical setting along with the physicians, we have our 4 years of school and most need a 2 year residency. I think they have their work cut out for them to prove that their 4 years of med school and 3 year residency is superior to our 4 years of pharm school and 2 year residency. Even though the proposal is aimed at NP's, all of the healthcare fields will be pushing back on this.

 

[WVUPharm2007]

"Waaaaah! I'm better than you and you aren't letting me have exclusive use of an academic title to convey this fact!!"

This is one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen from the physicians' group. If you are worried about the confusion, just stop using academic titles that multiple people are privy to. Why should a "quasi doctorate" like an MD (or DDS, or PharmD, etc, etc...) get the title "Doctor" in a certain building, yet a "real doctorate" PhD holder shouldn't? Yeah, whatever. They should use their status as a title. "Physician Smith" rather than "Doctor Smith". That way there is no confusion.

 

[StallionRx]

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[MountainPharmD]

WOW!! We're getting punked by dentists and podiatrists?

Who really cares about titles anyway? Being good at your job is what earns you respect. I do not see how immediatly upon graduation getting a title means anything.

Is that all the AMA has left is petty arguing over titles? They should have been more vocal in protecting thier turf where PA's and NP's were allowed to prescribe.

I guess Pharmacists are easy to pick on.....

 

[VCU07]

What's my name b*tch! lol....say that next time they ask us for help

 

[StallionRx]

What's my name b*tch! lol....say that next time they ask us for help

LOL

👍

 

[Aznfarmerboi]

I wholely support the nursing profession even to the point where they can practice as long as it is within their scope to and what they can handle and trained to independently. However, I think the title DNP is confusing and really, they should have just kept in the MS nursing level.

 

[oncpharmd]

I believe these physicians feel their profession is threatened by the number of what they believe to be pseudo doctor professions that have recently been proliferating. I believe it is their right to protect the integrity of their profession when the perceive it to be under attack. As pharmacists, we would do the same and often have.

The DNP program is the latest and most severe threat to their profession to date, and I think they are justified in not wanting to support developing that program. As for resolution 303 (the title "resident"), this would likely have an impact on our profession by affecting CMS funding for residency programs in its current state. Otherwise, I don't really care to be called a "doctor" to patients - although the MDs I work with refer to me as so.

Lastly, this does not apply to PhDs, as they do not work in a "medical" setting. I'm aware they do biomedical research, but the resolution is referring to patient care medicine.

 

[monsterbrain]

The DNP program is the latest and most severe threat to their profession to date, and I think they are justified in not wanting to support developing that program. As for resolution 303 (the title "resident"), this would likely have an impact on our profession by affecting CMS funding for residency programs in its current state. Otherwise, I don't really care to be called a "doctor" to patients - although the MDs I work with refer to me as so.

They really call you Dr. Pharmacist? Wow!

 

[AggiePharmer]

Seriously? If the AMA is so concerned over retaining their respect, through the denotion of "Doctor", then perhaps they'd also be RESOLVED to elaborate on how this is constructive to fostering effective cross-collaboration and respect in the clinical setting...

Respect is earned, not given. This doesn't make sense given the increasing rate of specialization for all medical professionals. 😱

When I get my degree, I'd be happy just going by "Dude", "Bro", or "That crazy Pharmacist." I'm more concerned with why this was even an issue for the AMA...

 

[RxWildcat]

I feel like those are more aimed at the nursing profession than anything else. I do agree that its a little goofy for them to formally address an issue like the title Dr. though.

 

[njac]

Official ASHP Stance that came on the listserv this afternoon:

Dear Colleagues:

As many of you may be aware, there is a pending American Medical
Association House of Delegates resolution titled ?Protection of the Titles
Doctor, Resident and Residency". ASHP leadership is aware of this
resolution and we have been speaking with many of our members and the AMA.
ASHP has informed the AMA that need for legislation as called for in the
resolution to protect the titles resident, residency, and doctor seem
unnecessary and unproductive. In addition, that ASHP is committed to
working with the AMA and other physician organizations to foster a spirit
of teamwork and collaboration between all health care professionals for
the betterment of patient care.

Please find below links to ASHP's letter to the AMA and the resolution.

ASHP's correspondence with the AMA:
http://www.ashp.org/s_ashp/docs/files/AMA-HoD-resolution.pdf

AMA resolution:
http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/471/303.doc

 

[RxWildcat]

It'll be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

 

[s1lver]

I feel like those are more aimed at the nursing profession than anything else. I do agree that its a little goofy for them to formally address an issue like the title Dr. though.

True.

Yes, it makes sense for the AMA to keep nursing from moving that much closer to erasing the final demarcation between the two professions. But this proposal also has the sweeping effect of closing a door on EVERY doctoral healthcare profession.