What am I missing about UPitt?

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So I've been starting to wrap up the interview process and looking back at various schools, and couldn't understand my reaction to UPitt. It seemed as though my pre-med advisor, and everyone on SDN is in love with UPitt, but when I was there on my interview I was horribly underimpressed. The students seemed kind of unhappy and frankly a little rude. The building was run down, the anatomy lab was a cave, and the curriculum was run of the mill. The admissions staff were friendly, but couldn't make up for Pittsburgh being such a hole. Also, my faculty interview was what I would call a "cold-prickley" rather than a "warm-fuzzy." What am I missing? Why do people love this school? I'm not trying to down play or poo-poo it, I just want to try and figure out where my feelings came from because they seem at odds with so many others'.
 
You want to know where your feelings come from? Well, apparently you think the building is run down, Pittsburgh sucks as a city, the anatomy lab sucks, the students were unhappy/rude, the curriculum is ho-hum, and your faculty interviewer wasn't as friendly as you liked him/her to be. You answered your own question.

Other SDNers probably don't care as much about the things you don't like about Pitt, or had better personal interactions during their interviews.
 
You want to know where your feelings come from? Well, apparently you think the building is run down, Pittsburgh sucks as a city, the anatomy lab sucks, the students were unhappy/rude, the curriculum is ho-hum, and your faculty interviewer wasn't as friendly as you liked him/her to be. You answered your own question.

Heh, that is my quandary. I just want to hear what others find positive about the school because so many seem to really love it. I would have to admit that I went into the interview not expecting to like it, but I did the same thing with UPenn and ended up loving it, so it can't be the atitude going in...
 
So I've been starting to wrap up the interview process and looking back at various schools, and couldn't understand my reaction to UPitt. It seemed as though my pre-med advisor, and everyone on SDN is in love with UPitt, but when I was there on my interview I was horribly underimpressed. The students seemed kind of unhappy [seemed okay to me, i have yet to find shiny happy students at any other schools] and frankly a little rude [not at all in my experience]. The building was run down [not really run-down, and this certainly can't be said about the hospital complex, sports center across the street, or the brand new dorm they're builiding across the street for next year], the anatomy lab was a cave [who cares/so many schools have basement labs], and the curriculum was run of the mill [nothing incredibly innovative, but they do have small group sessions (in very nice rooms, btw]. The admissions staff were friendly, but couldn't make up for Pittsburgh being such a hole [seriously disagree on this one. i was expecting this to be true, but i was suprised by the number of cultural, food, shopping, and natural amenitites literally blocks from the school. 👍 ]. Also, my faculty interview was what I would call a "cold-prickley" rather than a "warm-fuzzy." [mine wasn't warm-fuzzy either, but not rude or anything. it's a research university and he is what i expect a research doc to be like. i don't think i want warm fuzzy faculty] What am I missing? Why do people love this school? I'm not trying to down play or poo-poo it, I just want to try and figure out where my feelings came from because they seem at odds with so many others'.

went in not expecting to like it or the city, came out liking it quite a bit--enough to know i'd be pretty happy there. see comments inserted above. the only place where i think folks go overboard in praising pitt is the simulation center. it's great and all, but i think other schools are catching up on that one, and i wager many will have them by the time we're ready for clinicals.
 
My interview experience was quite different. I found all of the students to be very helpful and happy. My faculty interview was similarly very laid-back, conversational, and low-stress.

I will agree that I was a little underwhelmed with Scaiffe, but, having been at Penn now for ~2 years, I've seen a bit more of the hospital and med school than they show you on tour and, well, there are equally ****ty facilities on campus. I suppose aesthetics don't really concern me that much; if they did I'd be going to Penn State (really, very nice facilities).

What I like about Pitt is:

1. Neuroscience research: they are very well funded and even my very tough, very prominent lab here at Penn admits (albeit begrudingly) that they do good work out there.

2. Everyone I've spoken with says that Pitt faculty/students are among the nicest out there. My interview experience confirmed this rumor. Maybe you were there around exam time when people were a little stressed and angry? 😕

3. Location (to a degree): It's in PA, which is good in that it's close to my family. The city is clean, safe, and affordable. I was also pleasantly surprised at the very few numbers of homeless people in the city (I do love Penn/Philly looooong time, but geez... there are like 5 bums on every corner asking you for money). Western PA is also great for outdoorsy activities, which I like. That being said, however, I really do fear that I'll end up depressed (too much mist and clouds) and/or bored out in Pittsburgh.

4. Curriculum: Eh. Most med schools get all worked up pushing their curriculum, but with very few exceptions, they're all the same anyway. This is a non-issue. I did, however, like the Physician Scientist Training Program/Scholarship that they offer, as well as the Area of Concentration program.
 
So I've been starting to wrap up the interview process and looking back at various schools, and couldn't understand my reaction to UPitt. It seemed as though my pre-med advisor, and everyone on SDN is in love with UPitt, but when I was there on my interview I was horribly underimpressed. The students seemed kind of unhappy and frankly a little rude. The building was run down, the anatomy lab was a cave, and the curriculum was run of the mill. The admissions staff were friendly, but couldn't make up for Pittsburgh being such a hole. Also, my faculty interview was what I would call a "cold-prickley" rather than a "warm-fuzzy." What am I missing? Why do people love this school? I'm not trying to down play or poo-poo it, I just want to try and figure out where my feelings came from because they seem at odds with so many others'.

I have to say I, too, was a little struck by how dingy and run-down the place seemed. But then I consider how much money is wasted in healthcare constantly revamping things that are perfectly functional and buying technology that is not needed in order to impress students and patients who are so fixed on this consumer aesthetic in medicine. Shiny facilities do not equate to better medicine, and in my experience, I've become very suspicious of places that spend so much money on adding that extra layer of gloss. I've seen really bad medicine practiced in gorgeous locations.

But I see what you mean. When you start visiting so many places, it's hard not to judge based on that.

The four students I met there were great. And my faculty interviewer was great as well. But it's basically luck of the draw. I'm sure there are just as many prickly people at Pitt as anywhere else, and it would be irresponsible to assume that everyone matched the five people I met during my time there.

In any case, it's a good, well-funded school, and I'll be happy if I get in. But I'll definitely be taking a second look at anywhere I get accepted. I have no "first choice schools" at this point. I just do not have enough information from anywhere I've been up until this point to be able to make such an assessment.
 
I have to say I, too, was a little struck by how dingy and run-down the place seemed. But then I consider how much money is wasted in healthcare constantly revamping things that are perfectly functional and buying technology that is not needed in order to impress students and patients who are so fixed on this consumer aesthetic in medicine. Shiny facilities do not equate to better medicine, and in my experience, I've become very suspicious of places that spend so much money on adding that extra layer of gloss. I've seen really bad medicine practiced in gorgeous locations.

But I see what you mean. When you start visiting so many places, it's hard not to judge based on that.

The four students I met there were great. And my faculty interviewer was great as well. But it's basically luck of the draw. I'm sure there are just as many prickly people at Pitt as anywhere else, and it would be irresponsible to assume that everyone matched the five people I met during my time there.

In any case, it's a good, well-funded school, and I'll be happy if I get in. But I'll definitely be taking a second look at anywhere I get accepted. I have no "first choice schools" at this point. I just do not have enough information from anywhere I've been up until this point to be able to make such an assessment.

Thanks to all for the input. I know what you mean about first choice schools, as well. It seems like when I was initially picking schools, in hindsight I had no idea what I really wanted, but am starting to formulate it better after seeing different schools on interviews.
 
Hey HumbleMD,

one thing I really base my decision on, and even where I APPLIED to was this:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=104541

I agree with this guy wholeheartedly, and think it's really important to consider some of the things he has said, particularly, the "patient contact" idea. So many schools talk about their clinical skills centers and blahblah, but a lot of the time that's because they can't do anything with real patients, because the only hospitals close by are private and have patients who won't let a medical student come within 10 feet of them. Anyways, thought this might help...
 
My interview experience was quite different. I found all of the students to be very helpful and happy. My faculty interview was similarly very laid-back, conversational, and low-stress.

I will agree that I was a little underwhelmed with Scaiffe, but, having been at Penn now for ~2 years, I've seen a bit more of the hospital and med school than they show you on tour and, well, there are equally ****ty facilities on campus. I suppose aesthetics don't really concern me that much; if they did I'd be going to Penn State (really, very nice facilities).

What I like about Pitt is:

1. Neuroscience research: they are very well funded and even my very tough, very prominent lab here at Penn admits (albeit begrudingly) that they do good work out there.

2. Everyone I've spoken with says that Pitt faculty/students are among the nicest out there. My interview experience confirmed this rumor. Maybe you were there around exam time when people were a little stressed and angry? 😕

3. Location (to a degree): It's in PA, which is good in that it's close to my family. The city is clean, safe, and affordable. I was also pleasantly surprised at the very few numbers of homeless people in the city (I do love Penn/Philly looooong time, but geez... there are like 5 bums on every corner asking you for money). Western PA is also great for outdoorsy activities, which I like. That being said, however, I really do fear that I'll end up depressed (too much mist and clouds) and/or bored out in Pittsburgh.

4. Curriculum: Eh. Most med schools get all worked up pushing their curriculum, but with very few exceptions, they're all the same anyway. This is a non-issue. I did, however, like the Physician Scientist Training Program/Scholarship that they offer, as well as the Area of Concentration program.

I agree with a lot of this. First off, Pittsburgh is far less of a hole than my primary state school (Memphis). I haven't run into so many bums since living in Africa (during my visit to Memphis that is, not Pitt)! Scaife in particular did appear to be an older facility (I haven't seen a true blackboard in 4 years), but what that reminds me of is that Pitt is a very old school. Most of the older colleges around the country will have buildings that reflect this, even if they have the money to constantly build more. While some of the facilities did appear "dated," I was struck by the amazingly modern exterior architecture. I've visited schools where every building in a 5 mile radius was just a plain rectangular city structure; at least with Pitt each building was unique and artsy in its own way. Therefore, I was not at all put-off by an older looking building here or there. I've also visited schools where practically all the facilities were brand-new; those have more of a cookie-cutter feeling to me. You said the anatomy lab felt like a cave...but what about the rather impressive exhibit of specimens in the back? You also have to consider that they use a block schedule for anatomy, so you won't even be spending a full year in there. You don't like that building? Why not hang out in one of the others...there are plenty to choose from.

The "friendliness" factor is just a matter of personal experience. I completely clicked with my student interviewer. I also feel this way to a degree with my faculty interviewer. I will admit I didn't get the over-blown outward "southern hospitality" I'm used to, but that was a breath of fresh air quite frankly. I don't know where you're from, but northerners are just different from people where I'm from. It's all about your expectations.

PS...Severus, congrats on your acceptance! Our stats are pretty similar so that gives me hope >). I too was rejected pre-secondary from Vanderbilt, and I'm even from the same state! Oh well.
 
I dunno. It seems that many top 20 medical schools have less than modern facilities, Columbia, UCSF, UCLA and UPitt. Its what they do in the buildings that count, not how shiny the labs are. And lets not forget that the latter 3 are state-subsidized so tend to just spend money on things that work.
 
I dunno. It seems that many top 20 medical schools have less than modern facilities, Columbia, UCSF, UCLA and UPitt. Its what they do in the buildings that count, not how shiny the labs are. And lets not forget that the latter 3 are state-subsidized so tend to just spend money on things that work.

The facilities really are the afterthought on the school (although those escalators did make me feel like I was in an old Montgomery Ward's). I do think, however that nicer classrooms and student lounges or a sign and recognition that they value their med students. The bigger part was probably the students and faculty and admissions staff I interacted with (which is sadly a randomly bad experience but perhaps a sign), as well as the lack of diversity in the Pittsburgh area and therefore lack of diversity in patient populations that were the turn off. That combined with the fact that the school seems to be shifting their focus away from primary care and research to solely research (the new dean and reserach scholarships being the only merit scholarships are a sign of this).
 
The facilities really are the afterthought on the school (although those escalators did make me feel like I was in an old Montgomery Ward's). I do think, however that nicer classrooms and student lounges or a sign and recognition that they value their med students. The bigger part was probably the students and faculty and admissions staff I interacted with (which is sadly a randomly bad experience but perhaps a sign), as well as the lack of diversity in the Pittsburgh area and therefore lack of diversity in patient populations that were the turn off. That combined with the fact that the school seems to be shifting their focus away from primary care and research to solely research (the new dean and reserach scholarships being the only merit scholarships are a sign of this).
What do you mean by "lack of diversity?" It's true, they have more white people than just about any school I've seen. They also have more Asian and African (as opposed to African-American) students then I'm used to seeing. But anyway, I have to assume you're talking about racial diversity. At least I hope you're not assuming that all the white students are alike (and thus not "diverse"). Clearly diversity is the same as with any other school that's full of people, so why do you regard the school negatively simply because of a lack of racial diversity? Is race really that important to everyone out there? As for "patient diversity" the same rules apply. Pitt is a school in a large city, there are homeless people, poor people, under-served areas, and people come from all around for specialized treatment; that's everything you might look for when defining the term "diverse patient population." Again, it's true that Pittsburgh as a city does not have as high a percentage of African-Americans as, say, Atlanta, but why does the lack of this one kind of "diversity" make you look down upon the school/city?
 
So, I really fell in love with Pitt....it was my first interview experience and I would say one of my better interview experiences.

I felt that most people I met (the admissions staff and students) were very friendly and welcoming. Coming from California, I did not know what to expect. Ok, so the weather was not soo good 👎

I found the facilities to be solid (nothing dingy and nothing too over the top...there was the WISER institute which was amazing...) The facilities in par with what I saw at UCLA and UCSD (two other great schools)

I could really see myself living in Pitt...my interviewers were very friendly and genuinely interested in me (as a person). Also, the city is beautiful and full of so much...and its sooo damn affordable. I'm speaking from a CA perspective, where $675/month buys you a closet (not a one bedroom a block away from the med school).

And for my active lifestyle (I excercise almost everyday) having the gym right to Schaife Hall (and it was one hell of a gym exclusively for students) was a major plus...

I could go on...and on....but I am so excited about being accepted! It will be a hard decision....can I give up the CA sun? Time will tell! 😍
 
I think Pittsburgh as a city has a worse reputation than it deserves. The city has fallen on tougher times as of the past few decades, but right now Pitt is going through a major revitalization (Similar to what Baltimore and Philly have been doing) It's not a "charming" city quite yet, but I think it's getting there.
After the downfall of the steel industry, Pittsburgh shifted a lot of it's focus on biotechnology and research.

As for the school; my opinion is this: Pitt gets most of its reputation and prestige from the fact that UPMC absolutely dominates Western PA and owns practically every hospital and doctor's office west of Altoona. It's a major major business, which has brought in a lot of advancements in in medical research and biotechnology. It's also brought a lot of bright minds to the University of Pittsburgh, and hence the great reputation that Pitt has.

Anyway, that's just what I think based on what I know. My view is unbiased as I was rejected from Pitt post secondary
 
Thanks to all for the input. I know what you mean about first choice schools, as well. It seems like when I was initially picking schools, in hindsight I had no idea what I really wanted, but am starting to formulate it better after seeing different schools on interviews.

I actually had a bad interview experience at Pitt too...the faculty member who interviewed me was a complete jerk (probably the most obnoxious interviewer I met out of about 25 or 30). The student who interviewed me also didn't seem very enthusiastic. It guess it just depends on what three or four people you happen to run into that day.
 
In regards to the Wiser Center, how much do you think students will get to use this? They said it was predominantly a tool for residents and 4th year elective Anes/CC. Very nice, but who cares if I never use it?
 
In regards to the Wiser Center, how much do you think students will get to use this? They said it was predominantly a tool for residents and 4th year elective Anes/CC. Very nice, but who cares if I never use it?
They told us you begin using it in your second (could have been third, but I'm pretty sure it was second) year, and you end up using it for more and more time up through the 4th year. In other words, the time you're scheduled to use it increases each year.
 
What do you mean by "lack of diversity?" It's true, they have more white people than just about any school I've seen. They also have more Asian and African (as opposed to African-American) students then I'm used to seeing. But anyway, I have to assume you're talking about racial diversity. At least I hope you're not assuming that all the white students are alike (and thus not "diverse"). Clearly diversity is the same as with any other school that's full of people, so why do you regard the school negatively simply because of a lack of racial diversity? Is race really that important to everyone out there? As for "patient diversity" the same rules apply. Pitt is a school in a large city, there are homeless people, poor people, under-served areas, and people come from all around for specialized treatment; that's everything you might look for when defining the term "diverse patient population." Again, it's true that Pittsburgh as a city does not have as high a percentage of African-Americans as, say, Atlanta, but why does the lack of this one kind of "diversity" make you look down upon the school/city?

I am talking about racial diversity, within the greater Pittsburgh area. There are African-American populations and European populations, and that's pretty much it (and I'm not making it up - most of the students and faculty admitted to this). I suppose I'd like to see more Latino and Asian populations to work with in rotations.
 
They told us you begin using it in your second (could have been thrid, but I'm pretty sure it was second) year, and you end up using it for more and more time up through the 4th year. In other words, the time you're scheduled to use it increases each year.

Another Pitt Plus 👍
 
I am talking about racial diversity, within the greater Pittsburgh area. There are African-American populations and European populations, and that's pretty much it (and I'm not making it up - most of the students and faculty admitted to this). I suppose I'd like to see more Latino and Asian populations to work with in rotations.
Wow. Well, I guess if you have a particular burden for a specific population then there's nothing wrong with that. Still, I would rather become a doctor to help people in need of medical care regardless of race. Any hospital the size of Pitt is unquestionably serving a need, so I'm ok with it regardless of the major racial class that comes to them.
 
3. Location (to a degree): It's in PA, which is good in that it's close to my family. The city is clean, safe, and affordable. I was also pleasantly surprised at the very few numbers of homeless people in the city (I do love Penn/Philly looooong time, but geez... there are like 5 bums on every corner asking you for money). Western PA is also great for outdoorsy activities, which I like. That being said, however, I really do fear that I'll end up depressed (too much mist and clouds) and/or bored out in Pittsburgh.
clean, safe?? I'm guessing you went from the airport to the med-school and back to the airport... :laugh: I've never been to downtown Philly, but Oakland (where the school is) has its share of homeless bums that pester you at the ATM's and urinate at the bus-stops. Most of the crime in the city is avoidable... but tell that to my friend who got mugged at gunpoint walking home from Wendy's.
 
Wow. Well, I guess if you have a particular burden for a specific population then there's nothing wrong with that. Still, I would rather become a doctor to help people in need of medical care regardless of race. Any hospital the size of Pitt is unquestionably serving a need, so I'm ok with it regardless of the major racial class that comes to them.

Yeah, I'm fairly committed to working with Latino populations especially. I suppose this is coming down to the whole "fit" thing that everone talks about with med schools. It was just suprising to me considering so many others seem to "fit" so well. Perhaps this is what I get for being oddly shaped😕 .
 
It's so strange that my experience at Pitt was almost the complete opposite of yours. My student host was AMAZING and so enthusiastic about the school and her classmates. She was telling me all about the Halloween party they throw every year and invite the professors to. It sounded like a really good time. My student interviewer was also really nice, though tired because the second years had taken an exam that week and she was still wiped out. But throughout the day, everyone I met just seemed very happy to be there and they all seemed to have a lot of personality. After my faculty interview (which was great by the way, my interviewer was so young and relaxed and really made it clear he loved Pittsburgh), I was in the admissions office waiting to meet with the Dean and two MS1s just randomly popped in to see if anyone had any questions, which was great. They just sat and talked to us for a while about the school and the people there.

In regards to the anatomy lab, the thing that struck me was that it was BIG. I was just at Wake Forest and yes, there are monitors at each station and it's nicer and newer, etc, but it was smally. Even my tour guide (an MS1) said it's hard to move when you have the class of 100+ people crammed in. Pitt didn't seem as though they would have that problem.

Overall, I loved Pittsburgh and the school and my fingers are crossed waiting for an acceptance. Congrats to everyone who already got in!
 
Yeah, I'm fairly committed to working with Latino populations especially. I suppose this is coming down to the whole "fit" thing that everone talks about with med schools. It was just suprising to me considering so many others seem to "fit" so well. Perhaps this is what I get for being oddly shaped😕 .

There's more an more Latino immigration to the city. Pitt has a pretty well sized Chinese population, and a decent Korean population. Also, South Asian and Middle Eastern population. And the European populations are quite diverse: Russian, Czech, Polish, German, Italian, Hungarian, Scottish, etc. There are also a lot of African-Americans and Africans.

As for Latinos, I know there is a free clinic run by one of the professors from the school. It primarily serves Latinos and uses Spanish (and maybe English, I can't remember now).

So yes, there will be fewer Latinos than in LA and you might need to work harder to establish those interactions, but the patient population is very diverse in other aspects (religious, cultural, socioeconomic, and to a degree racial).
 
clean, safe?? I'm guessing you went from the airport to the med-school and back to the airport... :laugh: I've never been to downtown Philly, but Oakland (where the school is) has its share of homeless bums that pester you at the ATM's and urinate at the bus-stops. Most of the crime in the city is avoidable... but tell that to my friend who got mugged at gunpoint walking home from Wendy's.

Nope. From the train station. I guess it's all relative. Philly's full of bad smells (old sewer system in CC) and homeless people. Pitt seemed quite "quaint" to me.
 
Additionally, U Pitt is the only med school in Pittsburgh which means you get to do just about anything you want to do. I think that's a huge plus.
 
Additionally, U Pitt is the only med school in Pittsburgh which means you get to do just about anything you want to do. I think that's a huge plus.

How so?
 

The way the students put it, you can pretty much email any doctor in the city and say "I'm a student at UPitt and I want to do such-and-such" and they'll be ecstatic to take you on. Also, Pitt controls almost all the hospitals in the city (I think they said all but three?) so you can do rotations just about anywhere. No competing with other school's students for a certain demographic of patients or anything like that. In that respect, I think studying in a city like Pittsburgh would be much more flexible than somewhere like Boston, NY, or Chicago. (Though I could be biased since my one Chicago school just rejected me).
 
The facilities really are the afterthought on the school (although those escalators did make me feel like I was in an old Montgomery Ward's). I do think, however that nicer classrooms and student lounges or a sign and recognition that they value their med students. The bigger part was probably the students and faculty and admissions staff I interacted with (which is sadly a randomly bad experience but perhaps a sign), as well as the lack of diversity in the Pittsburgh area and therefore lack of diversity in patient populations that were the turn off. That combined with the fact that the school seems to be shifting their focus away from primary care and research to solely research (the new dean and reserach scholarships being the only merit scholarships are a sign of this).

Primary care is huge here. Research is as well, but that doesn't mean patient care is any less emphasized. Pitt students get out into the community and volunteer at clinics for the underserved all the time. We also see patients - real ones, in the hospital - starting second semester, and do clinical skills training from day 1. The director of undergraduate medical clinical education is a primary-care physician and trust me, she makes SURE that each and every one of us - including those looking to go into rads or ortho - know how to do a DAMN good physical exam by the end of semester 1. Patient care is not at ALL de-emphasized because of research.

As for the facilities that you think suck so hard, the small group rooms all have "SmartBoards" that you can write on with magic computer pens, so that PBL groups can write on their powerpoint files and histo slides, etc. Basically whatever is on the computer is projected on to the Smartboard, and you can write on the file. You can also use it as a magic chalkboard/whiteboard. So the small group rooms also have chalkboards, what of it? Does that make us less of a school than a whiteboard-only facility? Hahahaha, oh pre-meds, you slay me.

The "cave" anatomy lab has a camera system so that the director of the course can dissect/show structures to the entire lab over the closed-circuit TV system (there are ~10 tvs situated around the lab near the benches so that you can watch from your own station.) It's also well-ventilated - it hardly ever reeks the way most anatomy labs do - and well-lit, and is basically, as FAR from a cave as it could possibly be. I saw way less appealing labs on my tour of schools when I was applying. By the way, Pitt has one of the largest gross specimen museums of any school - in where? - yep, the "dingy cave" of an anatomy lab. Our lab is spacious, well-equipped, and an excellent place to learn anatomy.

My class is the most unified, friendly, brilliant, non-competitive and lovely group of people I have ever met. My very best friends in my life are from my med school class. We are happy students. I'm sorry you met one of us and judged the whole school by your negative interaction with ONE student.

The faculty are outstanding and so kind and intelligent. Our curriculum really allows you to focus on one thing at a time, and we are all getting a great education with a solid foundation for boards and wards.

You know not of what you speak, OP. Our hospitals and Scaife are top-notch facilities with top-notch patient care, and we are getting an excellent education. I hope someone who appreciates Pitt takes the seat that you might have had.

Oh, and those escalators? Rule.
 
Ouch >). Thanks for the perspective!

well, it does sound like the op hasn't found the right school for her. because the pitt student's comments jibe much more with my experience than the op's comments (they seem pretty off to me), i'm suspecting the op is just looking for an "objective" rationalization to turn down one good school for some other. s/he should just go with the gut and pass on pitt.
 
The faculty are outstanding and so kind and intelligent. Our curriculum really allows you to focus on one thing at a time, and we are all getting a great education with a solid foundation for boards and wards.

I agree...my faculty interviewer indicated that students evaluate the professors...so teaching is really important and students have a say in what works and what doesn't work.

I think I fallin in love with Pitt...😍
 
Primary care is huge here. Research is as well, but that doesn't mean patient care is any less emphasized. Pitt students get out into the community and volunteer at clinics for the underserved all the time. We also see patients - real ones, in the hospital - starting second semester, and do clinical skills training from day 1. The director of undergraduate medical clinical education is a primary-care physician and trust me, she makes SURE that each and every one of us - including those looking to go into rads or ortho - know how to do a DAMN good physical exam by the end of semester 1. Patient care is not at ALL de-emphasized because of research.

As for the facilities that you think suck so hard, the small group rooms all have "SmartBoards" that you can write on with magic computer pens, so that PBL groups can write on their powerpoint files and histo slides, etc. Basically whatever is on the computer is projected on to the Smartboard, and you can write on the file. You can also use it as a magic chalkboard/whiteboard. So the small group rooms also have chalkboards, what of it? Does that make us less of a school than a whiteboard-only facility? Hahahaha, oh pre-meds, you slay me.

The "cave" anatomy lab has a camera system so that the director of the course can dissect/show structures to the entire lab over the closed-circuit TV system (there are ~10 tvs situated around the lab near the benches so that you can watch from your own station.) It's also well-ventilated - it hardly ever reeks the way most anatomy labs do - and well-lit, and is basically, as FAR from a cave as it could possibly be. I saw way less appealing labs on my tour of schools when I was applying. By the way, Pitt has one of the largest gross specimen museums of any school - in where? - yep, the "dingy cave" of an anatomy lab. Our lab is spacious, well-equipped, and an excellent place to learn anatomy.

My class is the most unified, friendly, brilliant, non-competitive and lovely group of people I have ever met. My very best friends in my life are from my med school class. We are happy students. I'm sorry you met one of us and judged the whole school by your negative interaction with ONE student.

The faculty are outstanding and so kind and intelligent. Our curriculum really allows you to focus on one thing at a time, and we are all getting a great education with a solid foundation for boards and wards.

You know not of what you speak, OP. Our hospitals and Scaife are top-notch facilities with top-notch patient care, and we are getting an excellent education. I hope someone who appreciates Pitt takes the seat that you might have had.

Oh, and those escalators? Rule.


I wholeheartedly agree with VFTW's post - all the way down to the escalators. I am a third year student here at Pitt, and the place has it's own charm - it's not the most beautiful of schools, but it does have a lot to offer. In terms of diversity, you wouldn't be able to find a more diverse patient population. The SALUD program (Students and Latinos United Against Disparities) works with the Program for the Healthcare of Underserved Populations to run a weekly Saturday morning/afternoon clinic that serves Spanish speaking populations, in addition to a once-monthly Children's Van and car seat checks within this population. In addition, they work within the medical school population through not only recruiting Spanish-speaking volunteers, but running a medical spanish group as well. I have worked with many organizations, from domestic violence shelters, to the juvenile detention center, to the homeless program run through Mercy Hospital (soon to be another part of the UPMC empire) 🙄 . Pitt is a great place, and I would encourage you to visit during the second look weekend next year as a prospective student to hopefully get to see a side of Pitt Med that you didn't have the opportunity to experience - a place with good people who are destined for great things, all thanks to what this institution is allowing us to do as students and future physicians.
 
I'm friends with a lot of 3rd year students at Pitt. They're rather pissed off and angry and snippy that the school began its mandatory research requirement starting with their class without telling any of them when they were applying. A lot of kids I know have gotten to do interesting work due to the new policy and have enjoyed it, but others have gotten stuck doing benchwork in areas they don't really care about. When I hear that the admin at a school pulls that kind of ****, it definitely makes me wonder how committed they are to their students.
 
What are you missing about UPitt?

Perhaps that it's just two letters away from UPinitt.
 
I'm friends with a lot of 3rd year students at Pitt. They're rather pissed off and angry and snippy that the school began its mandatory research requirement starting with their class without telling any of them when they were applying. A lot of kids I know have gotten to do interesting work due to the new policy and have enjoyed it, but others have gotten stuck doing benchwork in areas they don't really care about. When I hear that the admin at a school pulls that kind of ****, it definitely makes me wonder how committed they are to their students.

Oh PLEASE. Anyone at Pitt can do clinical research if they so desire; nobody is "stuck" doing "bench work." The third years you talked to are probably just complainers. There are SO MANY great opportunities for interesting work here if you just look for one second. Additionally, our administration is more responsive to our requests and needs than I could ever have hoped. The current first-years have a revamped test schedule based on feedback from the current second-years. If that's not a responsive administration, I dont know what the hell is. Our administration rules. They are incredible people. I love them.
 
Well there, no so fast... yes, there were a number of students who were concerned (rather than complaining) about the "scholarly project" requirement, especially since we must be honest that Pitt is steadily increasing its research presence in the academic world. However, there were a number of things that the current third year class (2008) was concerned about, esp since we were the first in line to undergo the new changes in the curriculum (one that is improving every day). Every school has its ups and downs with the administration - no one is exempt. This project requirement is not going anywhere anytime soon, but based on feedback from previous classes, the way in which the program is delivered to future Pitt Med'ers has changed. In addition, the project is not limited to bench or clinical research, with projects involving novel writing to community projects. I've never felt that the administration has not cared, but there are definitely certain things that people need to work on in terms of response to student concerns. Again, no different from many other schools. And honestly speaking, with friends who have attended and are attending a variety of schools, I admit that I would rather be dealing with the admin at Pitt than at any other school.
 
Much love for the escalators - as childish as it is, I enjoy riding them up to my meetings. 😉 It's gotten to be torture at times, however, since I have to wait until January to interview. I'm there once a week for the research group meeting and will start data collection for two studies before too much longer, so I'll be in Presby and Scaife all the time. Some of the research projects I've come across are fascinating (e.g., disease modeling, therapeutic interventions and tech); aside from the time constraints, I'm not sure why people wouldn't want to be involved in this in some capacity. Plus it generates a healthy respect for the sheer volume of paperwork generated by suffering though the IRB process. 😉
 
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