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• Year in school: Senior
• Country/state of residence: MI, Asian Male
• Top 25 Undergrad School
• Cumulative GPA: 3.67
• Science GPA: 3.60
• Strong upward trend for both
• MCAT Scores: 519
• Research – include any abstracts/posters/publications and how you were credited (eg. First author, senior author, etc): 150 hours prostate cancer lab-1 poster , 75 hours neuroscience lab.
• Volunteering (clinical) – include hours/sites: 50 hours in 2 hospital units, 350 hours in a primary care office (no certification- did not touch patients, but I used to talk to them to get information on chief complaint, symptoms, etc, not technically in a very poor region, but the patients were not in the best financial state).
• Physician shadowing – include hours/specialties: ( my main weakness in my app, couldn't get more due to covid) 28 hours ( 10 DO PCP, 10 MD PCP, 8 nephrologist)
• Non-clinical volunteering: 80 hours through a variety of clubs, applying to crisis care text line so around 50 more before the application starts
• Employment history: 200 hours as a paid tutor
• Immediate family members in medicine? (y/n): N
• Specialty of interest: Primary Care
• Graduate degrees: No
• Interest in rural health (y/n): No preference
• LOR : 2 science, 1 non-science, 1 lab supervisor, 1 MD

As for my school list I am considering both MD and DO, and I am considering all instate schools for sure, but I am unsure of what other schools to consider. For the do schools I have an MD letter of recommendation, but I do not have DO, and I was wondering If that would hurt me? I also, unfortunately, do not have any clinical work experience, I was going to work as a CNA and start the training for it after I graduate, but I do not know if this is possible now.

@Goro @Faha @Mr.Smile12 @LizzyM @gyngyn or anyone else your expertise would be extremely appreciated!

 

[Faha]

I suggest these schools with your stats:
U Michigan
Michigan State
Central Michigan
Western Michigan
Oakland Beaumont
Wayne State
Toledo
Case Western
Cincinnati
Rochester
Boston University
Tufts
Hofstra
Einstein
Mount Sinai
Pittsburgh
Duke
USF Morsani
Miami
Tulane

 

[Mr.Smile12]

• Year in school: Senior
• Country/state of residence: MI, Asian Male
• Top 25 Undergrad School
• Cumulative GPA: 3.67
• Science GPA: 3.60
• Strong upward trend for both
• MCAT Scores: 519
• Research – include any abstracts/posters/publications and how you were credited (eg. First author, senior author, etc): 150 hours prostate cancer lab-1 poster , 75 hours neuroscience lab.
• Volunteering (clinical) – include hours/sites: 50 hours in 2 hospital units, 350 hours in a primary care office (no certification- did not touch patients, but I used to talk to them to get information on chief complaint, symptoms, etc, not technically in a very poor region, but the patients were not in the best financial state).
• Physician shadowing – include hours/specialties: ( my main weakness in my app, couldn't get more due to covid) 28 hours ( 10 DO PCP, 10 MD PCP, 8 nephrologist)
• Non-clinical volunteering: 80 hours through a variety of clubs, applying to crisis care text line so around 50 more before the application starts
• Employment history: 200 hours as a paid tutor
• Immediate family members in medicine? (y/n): N
• Specialty of interest: Primary Care
• Graduate degrees: No
• Interest in rural health (y/n): No preference
• LOR : 2 science, 1 non-science, 1 lab supervisor, 1 MD

As for my school list I am considering both MD and DO, and I am considering all instate schools for sure, but I am unsure of what other schools to consider. For the do schools I have an MD letter of recommendation, but I do not have DO, and I was wondering If that would hurt me? I also, unfortunately, do not have any clinical work experience, I was going to work as a CNA and start the training for it after I graduate, but I do not know if this is possible now.

In the 350 hours at the primary care office: how many physicians were in charge, and what were your duties. No you shouldn't be providing care, but doing histories or having some physician supervision or accountability could be helpful to offset your deficit in shadowing.

I'd need more insight into your own non-clinical volunteering/community service activities to those in vulnerable populations (similar or different to the patients in your primary care office).

You should be good with mostly MD, and apply to a couple of DO's (allaying any other metrics-based concerns) whose mission meets your expectations for future clinical practice (curriculum, clinical opportunities, etc.). Have you networked with any of the admissions recruiters within Michigan, or gone to any open houses to connect with current students? How about networking with current students who are active on SDN?

 

[Pleaseacceptme123987]

In the 350 hours at the primary care office: how many physicians were in charge, and what were your duties. No you shouldn't be providing care, but doing histories or having some physician supervision or accountability could be helpful to offset your deficit in shadowing.

I'd need more insight into your own non-clinical volunteering/community service activities to those in vulnerable populations (similar or different to the patients in your primary care office).

You should be good with mostly MD, and apply to a couple of DO's (allaying any other metrics-based concerns) whose mission meets your expectations for future clinical practice (curriculum, clinical opportunities, etc.). Have you networked with any of the admissions recruiters within Michigan, or gone to any open houses to connect with current students? How about networking with current students who are active on SDN?

Hello @Mr.Smile12 For the PCP office there was one physician in the office, what I would do is that there would be an assistant that would take the necessary vital measurements and preliminary data for the doctor, but before the doctor would be sent in I would go into the patients' room by myself and then ask the patient in more detail what the chief complaint was, when their symptoms showed up, the severity of their symptoms, how well their symptoms have responded to medication, what medications they have taken recently if they were running low on any medications and just overall how they were doing. The doctor would briefly mention if those patients had any chronic illnesses and would ask me to ask the patients how they were managing with those. Over time I got to see a few patients a decent amount of times over the years ( 2 .5years there), not gonna go so far as to say that I was close to them, but I did build some friendships with a few patients. I would then report my findings to the physician and then they would be able to talk to the patient with more directed questions based on what I told them, and they said that the patients often feel better by just having people in there talking to them and that I helped her be more efficient in providing care. A few times the physician would have me look up the diseases that a few of the patients had just for my own information, as well as the medication that they were taking, and she would grill me on disease prognosis, the severity of medication side effects, etc. I did not have any access to the EMR, and I did not touch the patients.

As for volunteering I did, 30 hours were in the city of Detroit and they were for helping out to clean the city and also provide materials to those that are most in need, and also did about 20 hours in helping people ship medical supplies to countries that really needed them. I will continue to improve on this when the opportunity presents itself, along with shadowing. As for the networking, I have not talked to the recruiters within Michigan, but I have talked to a few students at most of the Michigan medical schools and connected with them.

 

[Pleaseacceptme123987]

I also forgot to ask, I did not include in the hours, but how would a trip overseas to serve undeserved populations be classified? would it be seen as clinical hours or rather non-clincal, or would it be better not to include this.

 

[sw99]

• Year in school: Senior
• Country/state of residence: MI, Asian Male
• Top 25 Undergrad School
• Cumulative GPA: 3.67
• Science GPA: 3.60
• Strong upward trend for both
• MCAT Scores: 519
• Research – include any abstracts/posters/publications and how you were credited (eg. First author, senior author, etc): 150 hours prostate cancer lab-1 poster , 75 hours neuroscience lab.
• Volunteering (clinical) – include hours/sites: 50 hours in 2 hospital units, 350 hours in a primary care office (no certification- did not touch patients, but I used to talk to them to get information on chief complaint, symptoms, etc, not technically in a very poor region, but the patients were not in the best financial state).
• Physician shadowing – include hours/specialties: ( my main weakness in my app, couldn't get more due to covid) 28 hours ( 10 DO PCP, 10 MD PCP, 8 nephrologist)
• Non-clinical volunteering: 80 hours through a variety of clubs, applying to crisis care text line so around 50 more before the application starts
• Employment history: 200 hours as a paid tutor
• Immediate family members in medicine? (y/n): N
• Specialty of interest: Primary Care
• Graduate degrees: No
• Interest in rural health (y/n): No preference
• LOR : 2 science, 1 non-science, 1 lab supervisor, 1 MD

As for my school list I am considering both MD and DO, and I am considering all instate schools for sure, but I am unsure of what other schools to consider. For the do schools I have an MD letter of recommendation, but I do not have DO, and I was wondering If that would hurt me? I also, unfortunately, do not have any clinical work experience, I was going to work as a CNA and start the training for it after I graduate, but I do not know if this is possible now.

@Goro @Faha @Mr.Smile12 @LizzyM @gyngyn or anyone else your expertise would be extremely appreciated!

Hi. Your app looks good! Try to get more shadowing in if you can--possibly remotely--telemedicine? Just a word to the wise: do NOT say you're going into primary care if that's not what you plan to do (I have said this multiple times and will say it again). Do NOT say that you're going into primary care if you don't plan to do that. Not wise. Everything looks great though. Keep up the good work!

 

[candbgirl]

I also forgot to ask, I did not include in the hours, but how would a trip overseas to serve undeserved populations be classified? would it be seen as clinical hours or rather non-clincal, or would it be better not to include this.

Probably would be seen as voluntourism but without more information it’s hard to tell. Search the forums for voluntourism or service trips in foreign countries. After you read about how they are frequently perceived by ADCOMS you can decide whether to include it or not.
Good luck.