What do people think about the QR section?

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For people that have taken the test, do you guys have any idea why the scores are so low? 15? 16? on QR??? That's insane. Is the ADA scoring them differently than they used to? Is there a glitch in the computer system? Please chime in people.

Any input appreciated...
 
On practice test, QR is usually my best section, but its not true on the actual DAT. I actually think QR is the second most difficult section, only next to bio.

I am under the impression that a lot of people run out of time when doing QR, especially in recent months.

I sometimes think that they purposely try to provide information in a more difficult way by giving you useless info, which was quite frustrating.

In addition, some of the calculations are inherently difficult to solve, which takes extra time as well.

Personally, I dont think theres some kind of glitch, its just that ADA has made QR impossible to be solved in 40 minutes.
 
I guess I would say try to get your hands on as much practice tests as possible. There are so many different question types that can show up on QR that essentially its rather difficult to prepare for. For me, I think Kaplan QR subject tests are extremely difficult, but worthwhile since it represents the QR on the actual DAT.
 
are u serious? the kaplan subject tests deal with HUGE numbers and have too much math to be done in time.
 
If you compare it directly side by side to the Kaplan QR subject tests, I think the actual DAT QR is easier. However, it is more difficult than almost all other DAT prep material available.

I think the best way to describe QR on DAT is that the numbers alone are doable unlike Kaplan QR, but you should attempt to blaze through it. There are gonna be questions that you will not be able to answer in 2, even 3 minutes, so you need to just mark and guess that. To tell the truth, I didn't have time going back to my marked questions either, and I just barely finished on time. With Achiever/TS, I usually have plenty of time left after QR. Oh, btw, some of the trig problems are insane too. For example (not actual test question), what is the arc cos 3pi/2 most similar to? (again, not actual test question, I think Achiever has similar questions like that) and you will be given 4 options which all require calculations as well...
 
I think the QR section both sucks and blows. But seriously you gotta study a lot. Doing practice problems and studying how to get the right answers is by far the most helpful thing you can do but that is after you study the basic concepts. Then move on to finding shortcuts like memorizing Pythagorean triplets, trig identities, log approximations, etc. On the actual test don't get bogged down on hard questions!!!!!! Just slay through the easy ones and estimate the hard ones. Try to get through as many questions as you can and in the unlikely event that you have time at the end you can go back to the harder ones. Remember all questions have equal weight
 
what is the arc cos 3pi/2 most similar to?

Given 3pi/2, thats impossible to solve without a calculator. the ARC COS of something is supposed to give you the angle. arc cos of something with Pi in it is seriously impossible.
 
its all about speed. you HAVE to be a few stepss ahead of where you are. i.e. when u are writing down the equations from a word problem, know exactly which direction you are headed. constantly be aware of what you are calculating too. you dont want to choose the answer that gives the percentage of completion when they want the percentage of work that is still left. you should be comfortable with every type of question, trig, alg, geom, prob., etc. def do practice problems. and especially under timed conditions. if i was having trouble with the math section i would practice under 40 minute conditions or even 35 minutes. in order to get in the really fast mindset. this section isnt hard whatsoever. you should be able to do inthat amount of time, especially the former. you just have to be wary of the traps a majority of the time. good luck yall
 
what is the arc cos 3pi/2 most similar to?

Given 3pi/2, thats impossible to solve without a calculator. the ARC COS of something is supposed to give you the angle. arc cos of something with Pi in it is seriously impossible.

this type of question is actually not difficult.
usually u just have to quickly draw out a CAST graph...

and...what is arc cos 3pi/2?
It's invalid...cos functions range from -1 to 1
3pi/2 is obviously an invalid value

similar questions will be like:
what is the value of cos 3pi/4?
 
what is the arc cos 3pi/2 most similar to?

Given 3pi/2, thats impossible to solve without a calculator. the ARC COS of something is supposed to give you the angle. arc cos of something with Pi in it is seriously impossible.

i think it should be arc cos 2 pi/3. the answer should be pi/3 because it is not negative.
 
what? arc cos can only take values that are between -1 and 1. 2pi/3 and 3pi/2 etc... are ALL values greater than 1. Those values given are invalid.
 
I am so sorry, it was just an example so I didnt check if it was doable or not...

However, similar type of questions have indeed shown up on my DAT, so I was just trying to give an example of what its like.

Sorry for the inconvience, esp. to those that tried to solve it.
 
any other out of the blue math type question types you can think of that might be worth reviewing? or is that as bad as it got. thanks.
 
what is the arc cos 3pi/2 most similar to?

Given 3pi/2, thats impossible to solve without a calculator. the ARC COS of something is supposed to give you the angle. arc cos of something with Pi in it is seriously impossible.

Well, first of all, that's not a valid number as another poster said. I think you meant sqrt(3)/2 of which the arc cos of it is pi/6. Then arc cos sqrt(3)/2 is most similar to arcsin 1/2.

So let's say it's NOT sqrt(3)/2. Let's say it IS something with pi... let's say pi/5 ~ 0.628. Then what?

Well I would look for an answer with arcsin. The trick is that you have to think backwards a bit.

Think of cos(x) and sin(x) with the same value of x. Think about the triangle. You have legs A and B and hypotenuse C. You have angle a which is opposite side A. You have angle b opposite side B. You have angle c which is opposite side C and is 90 degrees. If you take cos(a) then you have for an answer adj/hyp = B/C. If you take sin(a) then you have for an answer opp/hyp = A/C. But since we're working with a unit circle, the value of C is 1. So we really have cos(a) = B and sin(a) = A. What do we know about the relationship between A and B? Well, A^2 + B^2 = C^2. And C^2 = 1. So we have A^2 + B^2 = 1.

What are A and B again? Remember cos(a) = B so arc cos(B) = a. But that means the value of B is pi/5.

So we need A such that (pi/5)^2 + A^2 = 1.

1 - pi^2/25 = A^2.

Using estimation you get roughly 1-10/25 = 1-2/5 = 3/5 = A^2. Since 3/5 = 0.60 and since I overestimated the value of pi^2, I can consider A^2 closer to 0.64 and so A ~ 0.8.

arc cos(pi/5) ~ 51.07 degrees.
arc sin(0.8) ~ 53.1 degrees.

That's pretty close... close enough to choose the correct answer. The actual answer is ~0.778.

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As far as word problems go, it's just a matter of translating english to math. About 90% or more of a word problem is garbage... things like names of people, where they are heading for distance problems, objects they are buying, and so on, do not matter for what you're trying to do. (I mean this in the sense that it does not matter what their name is. It doesn't matter what they are buying. You can use their name to pick out a variable. You look for their name to determine which variable you use later in the problem. But the name can be picked at random.) You're looking for relevant numbers... for words like 'is' or 'are' which scream out 'equal sign goes here'. When you see words like that you should stop and examine the parts of the problem to either side. For example, the stupid age problems...

'Bob is 4 years older than Dan now. In 6 years Bob will be three times Dan's age 2 years ago. How old is Bob now?'

Break it down...

'Bob is...' Enough said. We have an 'is'. That's an equal sign. What comes before it? Bob. Let Bob's current age = b. Then we have ' b = ' What comes after that? '4 years' That's a 4. 'b = 4'. What comes next? 'older than' That's a plus sign. 'b = 4 +'. What's next? 'Dan now'. Dan's current age which we'll put as a 'd'. 'b = 4 + d'.

Done. Period. That's the first equation. Two variables need two equations.

'In 6 years'. Stop. That means we're looking 6 more years for each person. In 6 years Bob will be b + 6 and Dan will be d + 6. Now we have to use those two values when we consider their future ages. 'Bob will be'. Stop again. We have 'Bob will' which means we want 'b + 6'. We then have 'be' which is an equal sign. 'b + 6 ='. Next. 'three times'. That's multiplication. 'b + 6 = 3*( )'. 'Dan's age two years ago.' Now we are talking about d - 2. So 'b + 6 = 3(d-2).

'How old is Bob now?' That's asking for the value of b.

Solve it...
b = 4 + d
b + 6 = 3(d-2)

Plug in...

4 + d + 6 = 3d - 6
10 + d = 3d - 6
16 = 2d
d = 8

b = 4 + d
b = 4 + 8
b = 12.

Bob is 12, Dan is 8. Bob is 4 years older than Dan. In 6 years Bob will be 18. Two years ago Dan was 6. So Bob's age in 6 years is 3 times as old as Dan's age 2 years ago.

Problem solved.
 
The tests are mainly word problems, so sometimes I think its important to try and set up equations. I mentioned a trig problem because that was my weakest. Otherwise, I think you should know what standard dev's equation is, and variance and what not also. There wasnt some crazy probablity/permutation type of questions, but I think it wouldnt hurt to practice those a little bit as well.
 
Well, first of all, that's not a valid number as another poster said. I think you meant sqrt(3)/2 of which the arc cos of it is pi/6. Then arc cos sqrt(3)/2 is most similar to arcsin 1/2.

So let's say it's NOT sqrt(3)/2. Let's say it IS something with pi... let's say pi/5 ~ 0.628. Then what?

Well I would look for an answer with arcsin. The trick is that you have to think backwards a bit.

Think of cos(x) and sin(x) with the same value of x. Think about the triangle. You have legs A and B and hypotenuse C. You have angle a which is opposite side A. You have angle b opposite side B. You have angle c which is opposite side C and is 90 degrees. If you take cos(a) then you have for an answer adj/hyp = B/C. If you take sin(a) then you have for an answer opp/hyp = A/C. But since we're working with a unit circle, the value of C is 1. So we really have cos(a) = B and sin(a) = A. What do we know about the relationship between A and B? Well, A^2 + B^2 = C^2. And C^2 = 1. So we have A^2 + B^2 = 1.

What are A and B again? Remember cos(a) = B so arc cos(B) = a. But that means the value of B is pi/5.

So we need A such that (pi/5)^2 + A^2 = 1.

1 - pi^2/25 = A^2.

Using estimation you get roughly 1-10/25 = 1-2/5 = 3/5 = A^2. Since 3/5 = 0.60 and since I overestimated the value of pi^2, I can consider A^2 closer to 0.64 and so A ~ 0.8.

arc cos(pi/5) ~ 51.07 degrees.
arc sin(0.8) ~ 53.1 degrees.

That's pretty close... close enough to choose the correct answer. The actual answer is ~0.778.

If they expect us to do that in 1 minute, screw whoever wrote this exam!!!!
 
If they expect us to do that in 1 minute, screw whoever wrote this exam!!!!

Well first of all I doubt you get a problem like that. And if I got one like that, it would take me about 15 seconds to do it as I just did above. Of course if that answer choice wasn't there I'd be in trouble haha. So I'm sure someone else could get it in a minute.

Even so, this would be medium to hard difficulty. One of the ones that makes you think. So you just need to breeze through a couple easy ones and you will have more time for this.
 
my problem is that how are we supposed to know what to study and what to expect. They can't expect us to know ALL of math and be expecting us to do every problem really quickly if we haven't practiced for it because we didn't know it was gonna show up on the exam.
 
my problem is that how are we supposed to know what to study and what to expect. They can't expect us to know ALL of math and be expecting us to do every problem really quickly if we haven't practiced for it because we didn't know it was gonna show up on the exam.
there's a list of topics covered, just like the bio/chem/o-chem section.
you can find it on ada's website
 
here are my scores:

AA: 20
TS:21
PAT:22
RC:21
O CHEM: 22
G chem 21
QR: 16😡

I think it's a freaking glitch. I'e been saying it since i took the test last week.
 
here are my scores:

AA: 20
TS:21
PAT:22
RC:21
O CHEM: 22
G chem 21
QR: 16😡

I think it's a freaking glitch. I'e been saying it since i took the test last week.

Ramforte,

Is there not some sort of avenue to have your results reviewed by a human? If I were you, I would contact the ADA and ask them about this. I know the AAMC provides such a service for the MCAT, perhaps the ADA does too.

REH
 
Reading comprehension is just too hard if you cannot make a roadmap of the passage quickly. Of course, using laminated papers and thick markers just makes things worse. I had to use three laminated papers (front and back) for each passage and then erase like mad and start over.
 
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