What do you think of the MD/JD Programs?

[witness23]

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are these MD/JD programs subsidized at all?

 

[itsallthesame]

personally, I think that we could use a few (more) good (md,do,dpt,dds,od)/jd's, and here is why:

the medical profession doctorate level professions have been continually raped over the last several years by the insurance industry, the government, people who don't pay for their care (not completely their fault) and people who are not proactive about their care.

medical compensation is declining (vs inflation), drs lack the ability to organize while insurance companies colude to fix prices (setting a price based on medi___ is colusion), the cost of technology to diagnose and treat is on the rise, and don't forget crazy malpractice.

ok... but WHY MD/JD? will you make more money? no, less!
will you be a better attorny or doctor? no, worse!

BUT! the medical doctoral community needs real advocates. people who are on OUR team, fighting for OUR interets! people who love medicine and practice part time or in a teaching capacity (think ethics) and really want to suck it up to serve our community. the old 80/20 ideal for the md/phd but instead of research/clinical, law/clinical.

imagine! bright, dedicated and selfless doctor lawyers taking insurance companies to court over collusion! having the dedication and passion for medicine (not money) to see things through!

yes, people willing to do this are probably rare. who, that loved medicine would all but give it up to fight for it? (who knows!? but maybe it should be encouraged... the tripple threat is still within my reach!)

 

[Law2Doc]

personally, I think that we could use a few (more) good (md,do,dpt,dds,od)/jd's, and here is why:...
BUT! the medical doctoral community needs real advocates. people who are on OUR team, fighting for OUR interets! people who love medicine and practice part time or in a teaching capacity (think ethics) and really want to suck it up to serve our community. the old 80/20 ideal for the md/phd but instead of research/clinical, law/clinical.

imagine! bright, dedicated and selfless doctor lawyers taking insurance companies to court over collusion! having the dedication and passion for medicine (not money) to see things through!
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About half of the dual degree types will end up going to each "team", so you don't come out ahead in this game.

 

[Law2Doc]

I would hope an Law Adcom wouldn't let him in based on the fact that he can't decide what he wants to do.... Why train a lawyer if he wont use his degree?

Law school, unlike medicine doesn't have limited seats. A much larger percentage of folks who want to become a lawyer will get in someplace, and some will fail out, and only 60% will pass the bar. So the school itself doesn't act as gatekeeper like med school does, where everybody who gets in will become a doctor. So it's different, and law school absolutely will admit a smart but confused person, while med school wants you to have figured it out already.

 

[witness23]

whats the tuition and cost looking like for law school nowadays?

 

[Brown8472]

I am sorry if I offend anyone but the MD/JD thing does not seat well in my stomach, I need a bucket. Unless, it would help me get a job at the WHO or become the healthcare czar, forget about it. This is just a matter of personal opinion, nothing more (mine, of course).

 

[itsallthesame]

About half of the dual degree types will end up going to each "team", so you don't come out ahead in this game.

oh, i know. just dreaming...

but imagine fast track residencies for the md/jd that would lead to faculty appointments in the medical school (similar to research fast tracks for md/phd types). some sort of deal where the tuition debt would be forgiven in increments over several as part of a faculty contract.

the doctor esquire would be required to spend x hours/year working on health care and/or health professions law as well as a teaching or patient requirement. even if just a moderate % of grads went this pathway, it could be of some benefit!

 

[Octagonecology]

The Dean of my school is a DO/JD. I have no idea why or how the JD influences his career...

 

[ArkansasRanger]

No, it's be a big waste of time. Granted, it'd be cool to learn. I like law and was told I could probably get a lot of money and acceptance to several law schools, and I'd gladly go if I didn't want to do something else in life. Then of course, practicing as an attorney mostly sickens me. I can tell you that the court system is a giant dog and pony show. It's ridiculous really, and it's never like what you see on tv. To be a good attorney you need to know legal procedure and when to ask the right questions. Lawyers are verbage researchers. A good one won't ask a question he doesn't already know the answer to. That said, if you wanted to specialize in medical malpractice then you need nothing but a J.D. and a license. In fact, you really don't even have to have taken medical malpractice courses in law school since most of your learning will still transpire from you doing your own research in preparation for your chosen specialty and case at hand. The first year of law school is mostly what you need to be successful. Some will say that the other two years are only undertaken to take your money, lol. Not true, but you get the idea.

 

[ArkansasRanger]

Law school, unlike medicine doesn't have limited seats. A much larger percentage of folks who want to become a lawyer will get in someplace, and some will fail out, and only 60% will pass the bar. So the school itself doesn't act as gatekeeper like med school does, where everybody who gets in will become a doctor. So it's different, and law school absolutely will admit a smart but confused person, while med school wants you to have figured it out already.

True. In many cases if you can pay to go you'll go. I'd love to go to law school, and I would if I had nothing better to do with my life as I've learned to love working around the law here in law enforcement, but the idea of working as a hired gun sickens me. Ironically, I think my intellect would make be a better defense attorney if I ever got into criminal law than I would be a prosecutor. However, I could never in good conscious get an offender off due to a technical loophole which is largely how people are found to be innocent. Likewise, I could never sue the pants off of someone and take away that person's life simply because someone paid me to. Michael Clayton is a good movie, and it's exaggerated, but it gives you a good concept of how lawyers operate.