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Tooth Extractor said:
Orthopedic surgeons can specialize in foot and ankle, MDs don't have a fellowship for dentistry.
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The distinction between podiatry and the traditional medical field is mainly historical. Supposedly there have been foot doctors since ancient times. During the beginning of the 20th century, when medical doctors were getting all organized and stuff, for some reason they decided feet were not a very important part of the body and left chiropodists (the previous title) out of the mix. The head chiropod guy made sure the profession kept alive so he started the NYCPM (NY college of pod med). Eventually they changed the name to podiatrist as to not get confused with chiropractors I assume. I think this is right, I read it somewhere.

Yes orthos can specialize in FA, but they are only involved in surgical cases, whereas podiatry involves soft tissue and superficial pathologies as well, including wound care, gait correction, etc.

Honestly they are almost identical careers (besides early specialization and degree), I don't understand why MD/DO's can't apply for pod-residencies. Most of the pod-schools are integrated with traditional med schools anyway, so would it be that big of a deal if they just combined the professions?
 
[/QUOTE] I myself agree with specter. You just can't compare the two. They are completely different. No, Dentistry isn't some "specialty" in medicine. The two require different training and are just DIFFERENT.[/QUOTE]


Sorry, I went asleep on you guys, both medicine and dentistry can be compared because teeth are part of the body. One area of the body can affect another area in the body.

Also, dentistry can also be life threatening: because Knowledge of anatomy of nerves and other vital structures in the head and neck allows the dentist to perform diagnosis and surgery. For example, infected teeth can on rare occasions cause infection to spread leading to cavernous sinus thrombosis, mediastinitis, or Ludwig's angina causing airway blockage. Which of these potentially fatal outcomes may occur depends largely on the anatomy of the head and Neck.

I was never upset at specter for the record!
 
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Tooth Extractor said:
Sorry, I went asleep on you guys, both medicine and dentistry can be compared because teeth are part of the body. One area of the body can affect another area in the body.

Also, dentistry can also be life threatening: because Knowledge of anatomy of nerves and other vital structures in the head and neck allows the dentist to perform diagnosis and surgery. For example, infected teeth can on rare occasions cause infection to spread leading to cavernous sinus thrombosis, mediastinitis, or Ludwig's angina causing airway blockage. Which of these potentially fatal outcomes may occur depends largely on the anatomy of the head and Neck.

I was never upset at specter for the record!
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No, I said that you yourself think that Medicine>Dentistry and these insecurities are making you read everything that doesn't match your opinion as such.

Just let go of these comparisons. The reason why this mindset persists is because people like you keep bringing it up.
 
Tooth Extractor said:
Do you agree that dentistry is seperate but equal to medicine?
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Nope. No dentist ever had to stay up all night with a sick and dying patient. Dentistry is an awesome profession. Great pay and lifestyle and generally stimulating work but it is not the same as medicine. Most dentists are fine with this because in general its a better job than being a physician. Honestly, I bet there are tons of physicians who wish they had gone to dental school.
 
WDeagle said:
Nope. No dentist ever had to stay up all night with a sick and dying patient. Dentistry is an awesome profession. Great pay and lifestyle and generally stimulating work but it is not the same as medicine. Most dentists are fine with this because in general its a better job than being a physician. Honestly, I bet there are tons of physicians who wish they had gone to dental school.
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You know your right, physicians work irregular hours (coming from a surgical staff member), but dentistry is similar to medical specialities that offer you a 9-6 hour job. Dermatology is one example, but your right about many physician regretting medicine. Many discourage me from getting into medicine.

Dentistry is a branch of medicine. The scope and sciences underpinning human medicine overlap many other fields. Dentistry, while considered by some a separate discipline from medicine, is a medical field. Why would they earn a doctor of dental medicine then?
 
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Dentistry-the branch of medicine that deals with the diagnosis, prevention, and treatment of diseases of the teeth, gums, and other structures of the mouth.

I stand by my previous comment: dentistry is equal to medicine but seperate (it's all due to the history).
 
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GroverPsychMD said:
Dentists are more qualified than the NP's that will be taking over our jobs...
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Neither are qualified to practice medicine. But I would agree that dentists are more highly trained in a general sense.

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Tooth Extractor said:
Dentistry-the branch of medicine that deals with the diagnosis, prevention, and treatment of diseases of the teeth, gums, and other structures of the mouth.

I stand by my previous comment: dentistry is equal to medicine but seperate (it's all due to the history).
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Dentists receive less training than even the least specialized physician. Some dental specialists will receive more training than things like FM or psych, but they are a striking minority in dentistry where most of the work force is made up by general dentists who primarily do checkups and minor corrections (pull a couple teeth, place a crown or give a filling here or there). In contrast to medicine, FM is the most "check up" oriented field and they still spend a majority of their time dealing with and managing chronic illness. They also are a minority of the work force with specialists making up over 2/3 of all doctors. This means on the while the average level of training for physicians is much more than the average level of training for dentists.

This is intentional. Dentistry is a field for those who want to immediately specialize in a health field without dedicating so much time to training and to the job. It pays well for relatively few hours invested. Training and expertise is traded for these perks. So I say again, if you try to hold dentistry as equal to medicine on Medicine's terms you will be found wanting.

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SpecterGT260 said:
Dentists receive less training than even the least specialized physician. Some dental specialists will receive more training than things like FM or psych, but they are a striking minority in dentistry where most of the work force is made up by general dentists who primarily do checkups and minor corrections (pull a couple teeth, place a crown or give a filling here or there). In contrast to medicine, FM is the most "check up" oriented field and they still spend a majority of their time dealing with and managing chronic illness. They also are a minority of the work force with specialists making up over 2/3 of all doctors. This means on the while the average level of training for physicians is much more than the average level of training for dentists.

This is intentional. Dentistry is a field for those who want to immediately specialize in a health field without dedicating so much time to training and to the job. It pays well for relatively few hours invested. Training and expertise is traded for these perks. So I say again, if you try to hold dentistry as equal to medicine on Medicine's terms you will be found wanting.

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That's a really good point, I never thought about it that way. You could probably say the same for podiatry too
 
Lollygag said:
That's a really good point, I never thought about it that way. You could probably say the same for podiatry too
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And then some. Had a run in with a pod student awhile back that made me very much question their training.

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SpecterGT260 said:
Neither are qualified to practice medicine. But I would agree that dentists are more highly trained in a general sense.

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Dentists injecting a pharmaceutical agent, such as lidocaine 2% with 1/100,000 epinephrine into a patient, or prescribing narcotics and antibiotics is not practicing medicine?

The length of the training doesn't mean ****! I get a lot of medical students in the fourth year that don't know how to even scrub a case!
 
Dude, just give it up!

I need to sleep, stayed up all night teaching fourth year medical students.
 
Medicine is longer because they rotate students through all specialties, while dentist just learn head and neck!
 
Tooth Extractor said:
Dentists injecting a pharmaceutical agent, such as lidocaine 2% with 1/100,000 epinephrine into a patient, or prescribing narcotics and antibiotics is not practicing medicine?

The length of the training doesn't mean ****! I get a lot of medical students in the fourth year that don't know how to even scrub a case!
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Prescribing "medicine" is not the same as "practicing medicine". Homonym. Look it up scooter 😉

And... I'm not aware of any M4s who haven't done their surgery rotation, and neither are you. You just made that up 🙄 but that is beside the point. Length of training is EVERYTHING. med school isn't the training I am talking about. I was referring to residency which 99% of dentists don't do. Be happy with the perks of your chosen path rather than fighting against reason and insisting that dentistry has the things medicine has. If that were true we'd call it medicine

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SpecterGT260 said:
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Prescribing "medicine" is not the same as "practicing medicine". Homonym. Look it up scooter 😉

And... I'm not aware of any M4s who haven't done their surgery rotation, and neither are you. You just made that up 🙄 but that is beside the point. Length of training is EVERYTHING. med school isn't the training I am talking about. I was referring to residency which 99% of dentists don't do. Be happy with the perks of your chosen path rather than fighting against reason and insisting that dentistry has the things medicine has. If that were true we'd call it medicine

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I'm a surgical staff member, I get to train medical students!
 
Tooth Extractor said:
Are you referring to dental medicine dumb ass?!
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I'm not aware of what "dental medicine dumb ass" is.....


:laugh: so what is it we do? "Medicine medicine smart ass"? :laugh: "doctor medicine"?

See, you know so little about these two professions that you aren't even aware how hard you're failing right now.

P.s. I fixed you're punctuation for you. Your welcome. It would now be appropriate for you too say thank you too me to. 😀

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Tooth Extractor said:
I'm a surgical staff member, I get to train medical students!
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No you aren't :laugh: your command of things like basic practice concepts, rudimentary logic, and written language means you are a fresh college student who maybe works part time as a tech on something surgical related in a vague and stretched sense and you are exaggerating your otherwise humble role. Nice try tho kiddo.

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SpecterGT260 said:
No you aren't :laugh: your command of things like basic practice concepts, rudimentary logic, and written language means you are a fresh college student who maybe works part time as a tech on something surgical related in a vague and stretched sense and you are exaggerating your otherwise humble role. Nice try tho kiddo.

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Ok professor, you seem to deny my claim about dentistry being separate but equal to medicine! But! I stand by my claim. And no, I'm not what you perceive of me!

You're unaware of the history of both professions.

Enjoy your career choice!
RNFA
 
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Tooth Extractor said:
Ok professor, you seem to deny my claim about dentistry being separate but equal to medicine! But! I stand by my claim. And, no I'm not what you perceive of me!

Your unaware of the history of both professions.

Enjoy your career choice!
RNFA
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You're a registered nurse first assist?
 
Tooth Extractor said:
Ok professor, you seem to deny my claim about dentistry being separate but equal to medicine! But! I stand by my claim. And no, I'm not what you perceive of me!

You're unaware of the history of both professions.

Enjoy your career choice!
RNFA
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:laugh: none of this has to do with the history. Starting to suspect its a moot point as you may have progressed as far as you can

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Poetic Silence said:
You're a registered nurse first assist?
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Omg! I totally called it! Surgical staff member 🙄 2 semesters of undergrad for a certificate and Mr. "Teeth are sensory organs" is teaching surgery to med students 🤣



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SpecterGT260 said:
:laugh: none of this has to do with the history. Starting to suspect its a moot point as you may have progressed as far as you can

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Ok professor! Now shut your face or mouth (if you have one!)
 
Tooth Extractor said:
Ok professor! Now shut your face or mouth (if you have one!)
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So.... you think I lack a face or mouth? Must not be a very competent nurse.... since you are so good at teaching us med students, allow me to return the favor: most people do in fact have mouths. Mouths are also entirely unrelated to the means of exchange we employ here. As you and I differ in that I am not a mouth breather (purely speculation based on your comment, so apologies if this is inaccurate) my mouth has in fact been closed for the majority of our conversation.

Its posts like this that convince me you are even exaggerating the rnfa thing. No way you actually interact with people at that level if you think these high school-esque tactics are in any way useful. Maybe you'd like to insult the brand of my jeans next? Or something equally juvenile?

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SpecterGT260 said:
So.... you think I lack a face or mouth? Must not be a very competent nurse.... since you are so good at teaching us med students, allow me to return the favor: most people do in fact have mouths. Mouths are also entirely unrelated to the means of exchange we employ here. As you and I differ in that I am not a mouth breather (purely speculation based on your comment, so apologies if this is inaccurate) my mouth has in fact been closed for the majority of our conversation.

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Ok professor, go do something else.
 
Tooth Extractor said:
Ok professor, go do something else.
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For the record, I'm not a professor. Unlike you I do not claim titles of which I don't actually hold. Just wanted to clear that up 😀

Good day

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SpecterGT260 said:
For the record, I'm not a professor. Unlike you I do not claim titles of which I don't actually hold. Just wanted to clear that up 😀

Good day

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get out of here!

RNFA
 
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Tooth Extractor said:
Ok, good day!

I forgot to tell you! Your gonna make an awful doctor! If you make it!
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You're*

I'll take that under advisement. However I think you will make an excellent dental hygienist 🙂 good luck!

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SpecterGT260 said:
You're*

I'll take that under advisement. However I think you will make an excellent dental hygienist 🙂 good luck!

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I took it out the previous comment because you sadden me. Now go play your video games kiddo.
 
8 edits later and you finally pull out some decent snark! So proud 😀

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you're are very annoying. Do me a favor go stuff your face with something! 😀
 
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I probably shouldn't comment given the direction this thread has gone, but just to bring it back to a real discussion....

Tooth Extractor said:
Dentistry is a branch of medicine. The scope and sciences underpinning human medicine overlap many other fields. Dentistry, while considered by some a separate discipline from medicine, is a medical field. Why would they earn a doctor of dental medicine then?
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Let's be honest here: a degree name doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. We have DNPs who go by 'Dr' so-and-so in clinical practice and claim to be the equivalent of physicians. I've worked with many an NP, and the experience was great, but they're not the same. And no one's denying that dentistry is a health care field.... just that it's not equivalent to medicine because it is different, with a different focus of training. I wouldn't want my dentist to start treating my back pain any more than I'd want my FM doc to start picking at my teeth.

Tooth Extractor said:
Dentists injecting a pharmaceutical agent, such as lidocaine 2% with 1/100,000 epinephrine into a patient, or prescribing narcotics and antibiotics is not practicing medicine?

The length of the training doesn't mean ****! I get a lot of medical students in the fourth year that don't know how to even scrub a case!
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We can argue all day about what 'practicing medicine' is, but I wouldn't consider it prescribing a limited set of medications.

And if you have M4s who don't know how to scrub, then clearly you're not at a very good learning institution... I learned how to scrub very early in my third year, and am going to be getting additional training on it tomorrow (despite having done three surgical rotations already).
 
mvenus929 said:
I probably shouldn't comment given the direction this thread has gone, but just to bring it back to a real discussion....



Let's be honest here: a degree name doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. We have DNPs who go by 'Dr' so-and-so in clinical practice and claim to be the equivalent of physicians. I've worked with many an NP, and the experience was great, but they're not the same. And no one's denying that dentistry is a health care field.... just that it's not equivalent to medicine because it is different, with a different focus of training. I wouldn't want my dentist to start treating my back pain any more than I'd want my FM doc to start picking at my teeth.



We can argue all day about what 'practicing medicine' is, but I wouldn't consider it prescribing a limited set of medications.

And if you have M4s who don't know how to scrub, then clearly you're not at a very good learning institution... I learned how to scrub very early in my third year, and am going to be getting additional training on it tomorrow (despite having done three surgical rotations already).
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Hard to resist ain't it.

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SpecterGT260 said:
And.... please proofread. It is very hard to take someone seriously when they can't use the correct words in their posts. SDN is not a middle schoolers Facebook page.

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For you:
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Oral Pathology, Oral Radiology and Endodontics are probably the only ones who can be seen as equals to MD/DOs considering each of those three deal with diseases of the mouth. Other than that, none of the other dentist specialties, in my opinion, can be seen as equals to MD/DO.
 
Let's be honest here: a degree name doesn't mean a whole lot anymore. We have DNPs who go by 'Dr' so-and-so in clinical practice and claim to be the equivalent of physicians. I've worked with many an NP, and the experience was great, but they're not the same. And no one's denying that dentistry is a health care field.... just that it's not equivalent to medicine because it is different, with a different focus of training. I wouldn't want my dentist to start treating my back pain any more than I'd want my FM doc to start picking at my teeth.
Ok, I stand corrected about the titles on the degrees, but! dentistry is still a branch of medicine (just like podiatry (why would then orthopods specialize in foot and ankle)); once I see MDs doing a fellowship in dentistry, then everything I have said prior to this statement is worthless.

Nursing will never be a branch of medicine....

Here's a link about a dentist that explains how dentists practice medicine:
http://www.dentistrytoday.com/viewpoint/7721-do-dentists-practice-medicine

Also, dentists can't be compare to all physicians! At its heart Dentistry is a specialty of medicine. If the two professions would of started from scratch knowing the advancements of dentistry, then dentistry would definitely be a specialty of medicine.

We can argue all day about what 'practicing medicine' is, but I wouldn't consider it prescribing a limited set of medications.{QUOTE]

They are still medications which have risks.


And if you have M4s who don't know how to scrub, then clearly you're not at a very good learning institution... I learned how to scrub very early in my third year, and am going to be getting additional training on it tomorrow (despite having done three surgical rotations already).
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Not all students are equal! I get really smart students that pick things up quickly, but I can't speak about all of them the same way... and thats good that you learned early!
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