What does everyone think of the new schools?

[DMDWANNABEE]

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Given no other options........ do you feel comfortable going to Roseman, MW Illinois, or Lecom?

I've read a thread calling these schools diploma mills that are just feeding on current demand for dental school admissions. (and driving up the new grad rate in the process)

I've also read threads full of excited new-school hopefuls.

I was just wondering about the general feeling about this because I have received a Roseman interview.

Brand new schools .... 👍 or 👎 ?

 

[MrAvicii]

Given no other options........ do you feel comfortable going to Roseman, MW Illinois, or Lecom?

I've read a thread calling these schools diploma mills that are just feeding on current demand for dental school admissions. (and driving up the new grad rate in the process)

I've also read threads full of excited new-school hopefuls.

I was just wondering about the general feeling about this because I have received a Roseman interview.

Brand new schools .... 👍 or 👎 ?

dude can you please stop plugging Roseman its very annoying already. 👎 with your posts.

 

[dmdluffy]

dude can you please stop plugging Roseman its very annoying already. 👎 with your posts.

Wasn't he outed last time when he forgot to switch accounts and responded to his own thread?

 

[mr24]

if its your only acceptance then go there!

 

[YoHomey]

I would avoid LECOM.

First, it has a really bad rep for it's osteopathic school. This is coming from my pre-med friends who opted not to apply there just for this reason.

Second, having osteopathic medicine as the main name for a dental school is not good either. Before applying, I considered LECOM and told my dentist about a new dental school that's opening its doors and is located in St. Petersburg, FL, and at the end mentioned the name 'Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine." His response was, "Oh, you want to do that?" referring to osteo medicine despite telling him that it was a dental school. I realized then the OM in LECOM would be a major potential problem in opening up doors in the dental field and acquiring new patients. So screw LECOM.

 

[DMDWANNABEE]

Wasn't he outed last time when he forgot to switch accounts and responded to his own thread?

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I think you are both talking about someone else. Check my posts.

 

[MrAvicii]

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I think you are both talking about someone else. Check my posts.

lol i think its you. hahah. NEXT TOPIC PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

 

[DMDWANNABEE]

I would avoid LECOM.

First, it has a really bad rep for it's osteopathic school. This is coming from my pre-med friends who opted not to apply there just for this reason.

Second, having osteopathic medicine as the main name for a dental school is not good either. Before applying, I considered LECOM and told my dentist about a new dental school that's opening its doors and is located in St. Petersburg, FL, and at the end mentioned the name 'Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine." His response was, "Oh, you want to do that?" referring to osteo medicine despite telling him that it was a dental school. I realized then the OM in LECOM would be a major potential problem in opening up doors in the dental field and acquiring new patients. So screw LECOM.

The med school sucks that hard huh? Anyway I didn't get an interview there anyway. Maybe it's for the best. Although, would the name of your dental school really matter? What patient looks at the degree on the wall? Or was I just strange for not doing that? Lol

 

[dmdluffy]

Definitely you. I remember the hilarious fiasco of that thread when you responded to yourself as yourself without logging onto your alternate account. Left everyone going ???

 

[duckdds]

I would avoid LECOM.

First, it has a really bad rep for it's osteopathic school. This is coming from my pre-med friends who opted not to apply there just for this reason.

Second, having osteopathic medicine as the main name for a dental school is not good either. Before applying, I considered LECOM and told my dentist about a new dental school that's opening its doors and is located in St. Petersburg, FL, and at the end mentioned the name 'Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine." His response was, "Oh, you want to do that?" referring to osteo medicine despite telling him that it was a dental school. I realized then the OM in LECOM would be a major potential problem in opening up doors in the dental field and acquiring new patients. So screw LECOM.

Yeah this was one of the reasons why I decided not to apply there. The name is a real turnoff.
I just don't see the reasoning why MWU-IL and LECOM were built. I can understand Roseman as it's Utah's only d-school.

Definitely you. I remember the hilarious fiasco of that thread when you responded to yourself as yourself without logging onto your alternate account. Left everyone going ???

I remember, lol.

 

[DMDWANNABEE]

Definitely you. I remember the hilarious fiasco of that thread when you responded to yourself as yourself without logging onto your alternate account. Left everyone going ???

This honestly wasn't me. I have one account, and I don't have conversations with myself on sdn. Why would I do that?

 

[YoHomey]

Although, would the name of your dental school really matter? What patient looks at the degree on the wall? Or was I just strange for not doing that? Lol

Some patients will actively look at the degree and some won't. But eventually, all the patients will see that degree at which point, many of them may be confused as to whether you are a legitimate dentist or D.O. who's practicing dentistry lol.

 

[YoHomey]

Definitely you. I remember the hilarious fiasco of that thread when you responded to yourself as yourself without logging onto your alternate account. Left everyone going ???

Can someone post a link to this thread? I need a good laugh tonite

 

[Dentalguy1]

At the end of the day a DMD or DDS is the same from whatever school you go to.. Apply to as many schools as possible and decide between the schools you get accepted to. There are pros and cons to every school out there. Personally, I got accepted to a few schools (both established and new) and decided on the new school cause it appealed more to me. While it was not my "top choice", I couldnt be happier with my decision...

 

[journeybegins]

It doesn't necessarily matter which school you go to because a degree is still a degree, but it'd be NICE to go to a school that people have at least heard of.

My parents listen to the radio in our native language, and in any advertisement for dentists, they always state where they went to go school, and usually it's a well-known prestigious school.

Out of the 3, I probably wouldn't mind going to Midwestern-IL. But the only concern after that is if I want to go to that location because that's relatively far from California. I've heard of other programs like Pharmacy with Midwestern so I don't see too much of a problem.

 

[Vigilante]

I would avoid LECOM.

First, it has a really bad rep for it's osteopathic school. This is coming from my pre-med friends who opted not to apply there just for this reason.

Second, having osteopathic medicine as the main name for a dental school is not good either. Before applying, I considered LECOM and told my dentist about a new dental school that's opening its doors and is located in St. Petersburg, FL, and at the end mentioned the name 'Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine." His response was, "Oh, you want to do that?" referring to osteo medicine despite telling him that it was a dental school. I realized then the OM in LECOM would be a major potential problem in opening up doors in the dental field and acquiring new patients. So screw LECOM.

Totally agree. I'm from Bradenton, where LECOM is located, and it is considered a total joke among all the docs in town; the dental school is soon to follow. I think it's a shame the ADA is accrediting all these schools that are obviously just out to make a buck and don't give a rat's ass about providing a decent education.

And BTW, I called that last Roseman kid out...I'll dig up the thread and bump it up. I'm pretty sure it was a different guy.

 

[Vigilante]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=858882

It was DENTALDMDD...leave the wannabe alone!

 

[dentist123456]

Yeah I have heard horrible things about LECOM. But If it was my only acceptance, I would most likely end up going. I think most people would would do the same. My dad is a dentist and I think hes maybe had a handful of patients that care in the least bit where he went to dental school. As far as Roseman and MW-IL, Iv heard great things about them. I didnt apply to MW-IL but I applied to roseman and interview there at the end of the month. I would go there in a heartbeat but Baylor is my #1! You just cant beat their tuition! HA

 

[YoHomey]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=858882

It was DENTALDMDD...leave the wannabe alone!

I think it was him because if you look at Post #11 on that thread it was just edited minutes after my posting of requesting someone to provide a link. Hmmm... strange. Funny thread nonetheless.

 

[hellopeople]

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[LamboFerrari]

thanks. I was wondering what was going on.

Anyway I guess I'll avoid The new schools if I can.
Gnight everyone.

Avoid new schools ? Then why did you apply to them ??? 👎

 

[YoHomey]

Avoid new schools ? Then why did you apply to them ??? 👎

It was peer pressure.

 

[DocWheels]

I was very impressed with MWU-AZ and have heard nothing but positive things about that school. MWU-IL is modeling their program after the one in Arizona. I would think that since they are sister schools, and are very similar, MWU-IL would be a promising bet.

But, when push comes to shove, you never know.

 

[evanyou]

It doesn't necessarily matter which school you go to because a degree is still a degree, but it'd be NICE to go to a school that people have at least heard of.

My parents listen to the radio in our native language, and in any advertisement for dentists, they always state where they went to go school, and usually it's a well-known prestigious school.

Out of the 3, I probably wouldn't mind going to Midwestern-IL. But the only concern after that is if I want to go to that location because that's relatively far from California. I've heard of other programs like Pharmacy with Midwestern so I don't see too much of a problem.

I have to agree with him. I am korean and my parents do care a lot where a local dentist graduated from. I am sure many patients from my culture will care where I graduate from. However, if I don't have a choice, I will be more than happy to attend any of schools above.

 

[rccostner]

i'm not understanding the hate for LECOM simply because of the name and because they teach osteopathic medicine. it seems to be a highly superficial argument, especially when i consider that the bradenton medical campus has had the highest board pass rate (100%) in the nation for six years in a row. they obviously know what they are doing and i was very impressed with the program when i interviewed there. this isn't some random program that was just thrown together on a wing and a prayer. the administrative staff has a great deal of dental experience in both private practice and in dental education. and with a brand new clinic being designed and built around the curriculum with top of the line equipment the school is certainly putting itself in a good position to be a top school real soon. i have seen cheaper state schools that pale in comparison LECOM's program setup. the bradenton area was also a big selling point. to the original question of this thread - yes, i would feel very comfortable attending LECOM, and not just if i didn't have any other options. there are only a couple of schools that i rank ahead of them on my application list.

Roseman is also a good program. i will be interviewing there in a couple of weeks, but i have been to the campus and spoken with administrators a couple of times this year. they have a unique setup that will be great for the right students. personally, i have lived in utah for the past seven years and i am ready for a change, but i would consider staying if i were accepted to Roseman.

for the most part, the only negative to most of the newer schools is the price tag, but even that isn't that bad when you consider that people are lining up every year to go to more expensive schools and use old, broken equipment and systems.

 

[LamboFerrari]

i'm not understanding the hate for LECOM simply because of the name and because they teach osteopathic medicine. it seems to be a highly superficial argument, especially when i consider that the bradenton medical campus has had the highest board pass rate (100%) in the nation for six years in a row. they obviously know what they are doing and i was very impressed with the program when i interviewed there. this isn't some random program that was just thrown together on a wing and a prayer. the administrative staff has a great deal of dental experience in both private practice and in dental education. and with a brand new clinic being designed and built around the curriculum with top of the line equipment the school is certainly putting itself in a good position to be a top school real soon. i have seen cheaper state schools that pale in comparison LECOM's program setup. the bradenton area was also a big selling point. to the original question of this thread - yes, i would feel very comfortable attending LECOM, and not just if i didn't have any other options. there are only a couple of schools that i rank ahead of them on my application list.

Roseman is also a good program. i will be interviewing there in a couple of weeks, but i have been to the campus and spoken with administrators a couple of times this year. they have a unique setup that will be great for the right students. personally, i have lived in utah for the past seven years and i am ready for a change, but i would consider staying if i were accepted to Roseman.

for the most part, the only negative to most of the newer schools is the price tag, but even that isn't that bad when you consider that people are lining up every year to go to more expensive schools and use old, broken equipment and systems.

Well said !!! Good luck to you.

 

[Golfguy]

i'm not understanding the hate for LECOM simply because of the name and because they teach osteopathic medicine. it seems to be a highly superficial argument, especially when i consider that the bradenton medical campus has had the highest board pass rate (100%) in the nation for six years in a row. they obviously know what they are doing and i was very impressed with the program when i interviewed there. this isn't some random program that was just thrown together on a wing and a prayer. the administrative staff has a great deal of dental experience in both private practice and in dental education. and with a brand new clinic being designed and built around the curriculum with top of the line equipment the school is certainly putting itself in a good position to be a top school real soon. i have seen cheaper state schools that pale in comparison LECOM's program setup. the bradenton area was also a big selling point. to the original question of this thread - yes, i would feel very comfortable attending LECOM, and not just if i didn't have any other options. there are only a couple of schools that i rank ahead of them on my application list.

Roseman is also a good program. i will be interviewing there in a couple of weeks, but i have been to the campus and spoken with administrators a couple of times this year. they have a unique setup that will be great for the right students. personally, i have lived in utah for the past seven years and i am ready for a change, but i would consider staying if i were accepted to Roseman.

for the most part, the only negative to most of the newer schools is the price tag, but even that isn't that bad when you consider that people are lining up every year to go to more expensive schools and use old, broken equipment and systems.

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As others have mentioned, next to no one will ask which dental school you graduated from. Ask some of the doctors in the dental forum, they'll tell you that straight up. The reality is that no one knows just how good these programs will be, and it seems a little pre-mature to cast impending doom upon them. Also, it is a fact that practicing dentists don't like the prospect of a new school popping up their area. I know this first hand as there is a fight going on where I live to build a new program.

 

[CedarZ4]

Didn't read the thread... and not sure if anyone mentioned this but I for one am a big fan of new schools. New school means brand spanking new state of the art facilities AND sim clinics 😀 (At least for Western, when I visited. But they opened in 2008 so not new-new but still pretty new)

 

[Vigilante]

i'm not understanding the hate for LECOM simply because of the name and because they teach osteopathic medicine. it seems to be a highly superficial argument, especially when i consider that the bradenton medical campus has had the highest board pass rate (100%) in the nation for six years in a row. they obviously know what they are doing and i was very impressed with the program when i interviewed there. this isn't some random program that was just thrown together on a wing and a prayer. the administrative staff has a great deal of dental experience in both private practice and in dental education. and with a brand new clinic being designed and built around the curriculum with top of the line equipment the school is certainly putting itself in a good position to be a top school real soon. i have seen cheaper state schools that pale in comparison LECOM's program setup. the bradenton area was also a big selling point. to the original question of this thread - yes, i would feel very comfortable attending LECOM, and not just if i didn't have any other options. there are only a couple of schools that i rank ahead of them on my application list.

Roseman is also a good program. i will be interviewing there in a couple of weeks, but i have been to the campus and spoken with administrators a couple of times this year. they have a unique setup that will be great for the right students. personally, i have lived in utah for the past seven years and i am ready for a change, but i would consider staying if i were accepted to Roseman.

for the most part, the only negative to most of the newer schools is the price tag, but even that isn't that bad when you consider that people are lining up every year to go to more expensive schools and use old, broken equipment and systems.

I think the problem with LECOM (the osteopathic school) is that they don't provide any clinical education to their students. They have no affiliated teaching hospital, and so they send their students out to shadow local docs for the last 2 years of school while continuing to accept tuition checks. The docs they shadow don't necessarily have any training in teaching or any real interest in teaching...most are just asked to do it and feel badly saying no. It's a perfect money-making scheme and results in crap "doctors". So that's the O-school only, but doesn't sound like a great precedence for a new dental school.

Yeah, in the end you'll get your DDS (maybe...if it's accredited), but personally I'd rather re-apply and hold out for a real school. I have no doubt that schools like LECOM will continue to proliferate because there are plenty of kids out there who don't care about the quality of education they receive or the level of patient care they will provide as doctors; they are only concerned with getting a degree and making money.

 

[hellopeople]

I think the problem with LECOM (the osteopathic school) is that they don't provide any clinical education to their students. They have no affiliated teaching hospital, and so they send their students out to shadow local docs for the last 2 years of school while continuing to accept tuition checks. The docs they shadow don't necessarily have any training in teaching or any real interest in teaching...most are just asked to do it and feel badly saying no. It's a perfect money-making scheme and results in crap "doctors". So that's the O-school only, but doesn't sound like a great precedence for a new dental school.

Yeah, in the end you'll get your DDS (maybe...if it's accredited), but personally I'd rather re-apply and hold out for a real school. I have no doubt that schools like LECOM will continue to proliferate because there are plenty of kids out there who don't care about the quality of education they receive or the level of patient care they will provide as doctors; they are only concerned with getting a degree and making money.

Can anyone second this? Just wondering because I am seriously considering LECOM.

 

[CedarZ4]

I think the problem with LECOM (the osteopathic school) is that they don't provide any clinical education to their students. They have no affiliated teaching hospital, and so they send their students out to shadow local docs for the last 2 years of school while continuing to accept tuition checks. The docs they shadow don't necessarily have any training in teaching or any real interest in teaching...most are just asked to do it and feel badly saying no. It's a perfect money-making scheme and results in crap "doctors". So that's the O-school only, but doesn't sound like a great precedence for a new dental school.

Yeah, in the end you'll get your DDS (maybe...if it's accredited), but personally I'd rather re-apply and hold out for a real school. I have no doubt that schools like LECOM will continue to proliferate because there are plenty of kids out there who don't care about the quality of education they receive or the level of patient care they will provide as doctors; they are only concerned with getting a degree and making money.

A real school? Really?

I guess Harvard was a "fake" school in 1867...

I don't see the hate for new schools. It might not have the prestige or name of the Ivys for example, and there are different ways of teaching. That doesn't make it "bad"...

As far as teaching hospital, that's for the DO school, like you mentioned. Dentistry doesn't need a teaching hospital, just a sim clinic and a clinic to see patient in, which, they may or may not have since I didn't really research it but I would assume they do have. Clinical experience. Done.

Just because one program is bad, doesn't make the whole school bad.

Also, plenty of schools exist just to make money. NYU, for example. USC. Just to name a few... They are well known schools, and have fantastic undergrad programs. Not to say that their DS programs aren't good, but to say schools are there to "teach you information" and not "steal your money" means you are not living in reality.

 

[CedarZ4]

Can anyone second this? Just wondering because I am seriously considering LECOM.

He was talking about the Osteo school.
DS doesn't need a "teaching hospital"
Just a SIM clinic and an actual clinic to see patients.

 

[hellopeople]

He was talking about the Osteo school.
DS doesn't need a "teaching hospital"
Just a SIM clinic and an actual clinic to see patients.

Yeah, I was just trying to get a feel for the quality of the school system in general. So far I like what I see, but I'm actively trying to find strengths and faults with any school I interview at. Hopefully the interview day can still be informative without having an actual school to tour...

 

[thesituationPhD]

I'll agree with the earlier post about just collecting paychecks. The 4th year at LECOM is not spent on campus, you are at an off campus community clinic.(in ERIE, PA or 'somewhere' in florida that has yet to be figured out. yet still paying full tuition. You're essentially paying for a piece of paper, you teach yourself out of the book (no real lectures), years 2-3 are on campus in sim lab and working on patients. I agree the facilities are going to be top notch without a doubt. The clinic is going to be modeled after private practice and should be outstanding. That being said, I'd would take alot for me to attend, given the price and the fact that you more or less teach yourself for 2 years.

 

[GO BABY GO]

no one outside of the medical profession, PA, and FL has heard of LECOM. You are paying ALOT to get a degree at a place where most ppl would ask where is that? and at a place that bases there first 2 years solely on PBL. not saying its a bad thing, but u should realize that.

What do you think about Roseman? does that name sound professional? Would you want your degree from there? I personally liked the other name USN, but then again the school wasn't in southern nevada. I am not a name *****, but if I am paying big bucks i would want to make sure the school has got a reputation.

on another note, are these schools really making a difference in underserved areas? after all, that is the purpose of opening up most these new schools. Are most the graduates really going to work in an underserved area nearby the school? LECOM will accept applicants anywhere in the US.. what makes them so sure that they will stay in the underserved areas of FL? Why cant the other FL schools open public health clinics in these areas for students to do rotations instead?

ECU- they only accept NC residents but again, what makes them so certain that these ppl will end up practicing in an underserved area? Maybe they will go work in a big city where earning potential may be higher and over all more things to do in the area.

IMO, if they really want to help underserved areas- they should give more scholarships out in return for working in these areas for 4 yrs. opening all these new schools may not be the best way. Look at whats happening to pharmacy for instance. they basically opened up 40% more schools and there are still shortages in rural/underserved areas YET way over saturated in their counterparts.

this whole thing is opinionated though. Im just throwing this out there.

 

[CedarZ4]

no one outside of the medical profession, PA, and FL has heard of LECOM. You are paying ALOT to get a degree at a place where most ppl would ask where is that? and at a place that bases there first 2 years solely on PBL. not saying its a bad thing, but u should realize that.

What do you think about Roseman? does that name sound professional? Would you want your degree from there? I personally liked the other name USN, but then again the school wasn't in southern nevada. I am not a name *****, but if I am paying big bucks i would want to make sure the school has got a reputation.

on another note, are these schools really making a difference in underserved areas? after all, that is the purpose of opening up most these new schools. Are most the graduates really going to work in an underserved area nearby the school? LECOM will accept applicants anywhere in the US.. what makes them so sure that they will stay in the underserved areas of FL? Why cant the other FL schools open public health clinics in these areas for students to do rotations instead?

ECU- they only accept NC residents but again, what makes them so certain that these ppl will end up practicing in an underserved area? Maybe they will go work in a big city where earning potential may be higher and over all more things to do in the area.

IMO, if they really want to help underserved areas- they should give more scholarships out in return for working in these areas for 4 yrs. opening all these new schools may not be the best way. Look at whats happening to pharmacy for instance. they basically opened up 40% more schools and there are still shortages in rural/underserved areas YET way over saturated in their counterparts.

this whole thing is opinionated though. Im just throwing this out there.

I need to take a nap before I have to go somewhere so I'll respond to a few points.
First of all, what is everyone's deal with the "big names". You don't have to go to Harvard to be a good dentist or be well-respected. I pay $50k per year to go to undergrad, at a small liberal arts college people outside of my state has never even heard of. I have to explain to people where my school is every time someone asks where I go to school. I feel like I am getting a great education, so what's the problem? I will probably have a more well known name at my state school, but with a 300:1 student, faculty ratio? No thank you. My largest class has 30 students...
So no, name is not everything. Also, what makes Roseman a poor name? What kind of name is Loma Linda. I don't see anyone bashing on them? Howard? Tufts? What does that even mean. What is a Baylor? So I totally disagree with you on the name. However, I do Agree USN would have been more professional, but just because it's called Roseman doesn't make it any worse.
As for serving the underserved... no school can guarantee that. Students can go in saying they will, but then graduate and go to the big city. So, how is that even remotely the schools fault?

And now finally, let me ask you. Where did your dentist graduate from DS? If you weren't planning on going to DS, would you still have known? What about your Ortho or on the side chance that you might have had oral surgery? Your oral surgeons school of graduation? See what my point is? If you do quality work, no one really cares where you went to school.

 

[pinsteria]

I was curious about LECOM myself, so I did searches and went through the various threads on the osteo board, and two names jumped out at me from all the negative comments about them: LECOM and Touro. They are definitely at the very bottom of the popularity contest among osteo students. (FWIW The top names in the osteo world are two old private schools - Des Moines, Philadelphia - and the well-established state-supported schools - Michigan State, Texas.) On the other hand, LECOM's main weakness seems to be in clinical rotations because they don't have the reputation and connections for hospital access like other schools. Hospital rotations is huge in the MD/DO world, but then you're not going to their med school...

 

[little Buddy]

I can see how that would be an issue with DO,but not with the dental program. I read that they will be sending students to local dental offices and clinics which would make sense to start working with assistance and hygienists. As long as they put the drill in our hands and introduce us to the sim clinic early, I don't mind and really am looking forward to learning more about this PBL. I feel like adding a plot, case, to the material will keep me more involved and engaged in learning instead of acting as a receptacle and doing a memorization dump on an exam.

 

[Vigilante]

Sorry if I left some fightin' words in my previous post. By a "real" school, I meant established...ie, they actually have a fully constructed, functioning school. Last I heard, LECOM hasn't even completed building their clinic.

Seeing as this is their first year, of course I'm going off of the DO school...what else is there? All they have to show for their dental school so far is a friendly staff and a lot of unsubstantiated promises. If the DO school is crap, why would the dental school be so much better?

I completely agree that "big names" can be over-rated at times and are not the most important factor; a quality education is. LECOM provides neither. Really, I'm not out to get "new" schools...everything was new once and that's not to say they won't be great eventually. But LECOM has been around for a while, and it still sucks.

Bradenton is a growing, but still small, close-knit town. My dad has been practicing medicine there for over 30 years and is well-connected with the medical community. I'm not just slamming the school because it's new, or it's DO or I don't like the sound of the name; it's because I actually know a little bit about it.

 

[Vigilante]

I can see how that would be an issue with DO,but not with the dental program. I read that they will be sending students to local dental offices and clinics which would make sense to start working with assistance and hygienists. As long as they put the drill in our hands and introduce us to the sim clinic early, I don't mind and really am looking forward to learning more about this PBL. I feel like adding a plot, case, to the material will keep me more involved and engaged in learning instead of acting as a receptacle and doing a memorization dump on an exam.

Why do you want to pay tens of thousands of dollars to work with an assistant or hygienist? You can do that for free...hell, you can even get paid to do it. They're just pushing you off on someone else so they don't have to teach you themselves, while still collecting tuition. It sounds exactly like their DO program. And there is no way in hell any private practice dentist is going to let you man a drill in his/her office.

 

[little Buddy]

I will have the opporunity to talk to them about this next week but I was thinking it might be more of a preceptor deal were 3rd and 4th year students are actually practicing dentistry at the school and other outreach clinics. For example, Marquette has like 5 or 6 of these clinics that students go to, usually low income locations, and working with assisting and hygiene students under the supervision of a preceptor. And maybe if it is spending some time in a private pracitce, maybe that with be their approach to introduce the students to the business aspect of dentistry. But since the faculty will be venterans who bring years of experience as well as the good from other dental schools where they taught, I can't understand everyone is skeptical and hating on them. And supply demand sets the market value. They will charge what they need to pay the bills plus extra if they can get away with it. If you actually want to learn and practice dentistry, spending 200k or 340k shouldn't be a significant factor. Live like a college student, work more than 35 hours (granted to enjoy it and didn't get involved with dentsitry just because of money) and pay it off.

 

[rccostner]

If the DO school is crap, why would the dental school be so much better?

LECOM has been around for a while, and it still sucks.

Bradenton is a growing, but still small, close-knit town. My dad has been practicing medicine there for over 30 years and is well-connected with the medical community. I'm not just slamming the school because it's new, or it's DO or I don't like the sound of the name; it's because I actually know a little bit about it.

sounds to me like you know nothing about it and your basing your entire argument off of your dad's opinion of a medical school he obviously finds inferior to his alma mater. it might be time to take a step back and make an educated decision for yourself.

as for sending dental students out to get experience as an assistant/hygienist - why wouldn't you or a local dentist want that?
1. it's free labor for any local dentist and they don't have to pay for the training.
2. most dental students would give anything to get their nose out of a book during the first two years and get some hands on experience, especially with that experience beginning on day 1 of dental school.
3. it would take a complete idiot to feel like experience in a sim clinic (or even a real clinic) would even remotely teach you how to operate a private practice. so why not learn it directly from someone who has that experience right now?
4. you are paying for the degree no matter what school you attend so why not choose a school that gives you the most useful experience and has a proven record for passing board exams.

if you don't want to go to a school like LECOM, Roseman, or Midwestern that's fine and it's your choice, but your reasoning for not choosing these schools is weak and exposing yourself as being a bit on the egotistical side. all of these school are accredited (and don't try the argument that initial accreditation doesn't count - no dental school has ever been denied final accreditation after having received the initial accreditation) so anyone who attends one of these programs will be just as much of a dentist as anyone else graduating from another dental school.

 

[dmdluffy]

sounds to me like you know nothing about it and your basing your entire argument off of your dad's opinion of a medical school he obviously finds inferior to his alma mater. it might be time to take a step back and make an educated decision for yourself.

as for sending dental students out to get experience as an assistant/hygienist - why wouldn't you or a local dentist want that?
1. it's free labor for any local dentist and they don't have to pay for the training.
2. most dental students would give anything to get their nose out of a book during the first two years and get some hands on experience, especially with that experience beginning on day 1 of dental school.
3. it would take a complete idiot to feel like experience in a sim clinic (or even a real clinic) would even remotely teach you how to operate a private practice. so why not learn it directly from someone who has that experience right now?
4. you are paying for the degree no matter what school you attend so why not choose a school that gives you the most useful experience and has a proven record for passing board exams.

if you don't want to go to a school like LECOM, Roseman, or Midwestern that's fine and it's your choice, but your reasoning for not choosing these schools is weak and exposing yourself as being a bit on the egotistical side. all of these school are accredited (and don't try the argument that initial accreditation doesn't count - no dental school has ever been denied final accreditation after having received the initial accreditation) so anyone who attends one of these programs will be just as much of a dentist as anyone else graduating from another dental school.

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Personally, I think it's beneficial to gain any experience with patients you can. Ideally, if you did assisting work as a first year, some hygiene during second, then transition into dental work during third and fourth.

 

[little Buddy]

sounds to me like you know nothing about it and your basing your entire argument off of your dad's opinion of a medical school he obviously finds inferior to his alma mater. it might be time to take a step back and make an educated decision for yourself.

as for sending dental students out to get experience as an assistant/hygienist - why wouldn't you or a local dentist want that?
1. it's free labor for any local dentist and they don't have to pay for the training.
2. most dental students would give anything to get their nose out of a book during the first two years and get some hands on experience, especially with that experience beginning on day 1 of dental school.
3. it would take a complete idiot to feel like experience in a sim clinic (or even a real clinic) would even remotely teach you how to operate a private practice. so why not learn it directly from someone who has that experience right now?
4. you are paying for the degree no matter what school you attend so why not choose a school that gives you the most useful experience and has a proven record for passing board exams.

if you don't want to go to a school like LECOM, Roseman, or Midwestern that's fine and it's your choice, but your reasoning for not choosing these schools is weak and exposing yourself as being a bit on the egotistical side. all of these school are accredited (and don't try the argument that initial accreditation doesn't count - no dental school has ever been denied final accreditation after having received the initial accreditation) so anyone who attends one of these programs will be just as much of a dentist as anyone else graduating from another dental school.

👍 Exactly!

 

[YoHomey]

I pay $50k per year to go to undergrad, at a small liberal arts college people outside of my state has never even heard of. I have to explain to people where my school is every time someone asks where I go to school. I feel like I am getting a great education, so what's the problem?worse.

How do you know you are getting a great education? What's your basis of comparison? Have you attended other colleges lol? And what happens if you don't get into dental school and your future career goes nowhere because no employer wants to interview/hire someone from a school they never heard of? Won't you feel like a genius for spending $50K/yr for that?


On another note, you people who defend LECOM are making a huge faulty assumption. You're assuming that they will be accredited and become a legitimate and respected program. What happens if they don't get accredited due to the fact that students have to teach themselves the last two years and have to pay $90K/yr or whatever it is during those 2 years to work as a dental assistant? Or what happens if the dental community and patients don't accept LECOM graduates? You're royally screwed. Is that risk fairly feasible? Yes. Is that risk worth it? Hell no!

It would be prudent to wait at least 4-5 years to see how this program turns out. Of course you don't have that luxury of time so you're better off applying elsewhere even if it means waiting a year as a reapplicant. But hey it's a free country so if you want to roll the dice then by all means...

 

[GO BABY GO]

I need to take a nap before I have to go somewhere so I'll respond to a few points.
First of all, what is everyone's deal with the "big names". You don't have to go to Harvard to be a good dentist or be well-respected.

No one ever said this. However, since u brought it up, if you wanna talk respect then ask yourself this- In the real world who will be more respected, a dentist from Michigan or a dentist from Roseman from a general public standpoint?

I pay $50k per year to go to undergrad, at a small liberal arts college people outside of my state has never even heard of. I have to explain to people where my school is every time someone asks where I go to school. I feel like I am getting a great education, so what's the problem? I will probably have a more well known name at my state school, but with a 300:1 student, faculty ratio? No thank you. My largest class has 30 students...

This is undergrad, ppl can care less where u went for undergrad. In the real world, they will ask where you went to grad school- its sad but this is how the world works.

So no, name is not everything. Also, what makes Roseman a poor name? What kind of name is Loma Linda. I don't see anyone bashing on them? Howard? Tufts? What does that even mean. What is a Baylor? So I totally disagree with you on the name. However, I do Agree USN would have been more professional, but just because it's called Roseman doesn't make it any worse.

Well, you just mentioned well-known schools that just about everyone has heard and that have been around MUCH longer than these new ones.. lol.. except i have heard some negative things about Howard, but will not get into that

As for serving the underserved... no school can guarantee that. Students can go in saying they will, but then graduate and go to the big city. So, how is that even remotely the schools fault?

This is the whole reason why they are opening the schools up in the first place!!!! If they can't guarantee it, then why are they so quick to open multiple ds's up??

And now finally, let me ask you. Where did your dentist graduate from DS? If you weren't planning on going to DS, would you still have known? What about your Ortho or on the side chance that you might have had oral surgery? Your oral surgeons school of graduation? See what my point is? If you do quality work, no one really cares where you went to school.

General: went to Tufts, OMFS: Stony Brook then Columbia, Ortho: Tufts, Perio: Case then Columbia; All the dentists I know post their degrees in their office and/or on the walls in the waiting room so patients know they can be trusted. Not saying that you can't be trusted if you graduate from Roseman though. However, YES patients do ask where you went. It certainly makes a conversation starter. From patient standpoint- sometimes they feel more comfortable getting a jaw reconstruction from someone who graduated from a school they heard of.

Listen, im not trying to bash any schools. I would definitely go to roseman if only place accepted. However, the OP brought up some questions that involve ds money making- these schools are super expensive for not having a reputation and NOT EVEN BEING ACCREDITED YET, plain and simple. you can go to your state school for a fraction of the price, get a great education, and not worry about where your degree came from or whether or not it will be accredited by the time you graduate. if this is not an option than yeah of course go to the one u get accepted at. just throwing out the facts man, not trying to put down any schools.

 

[CedarZ4]

Well, you just mentioned well-known schools that just about everyone has heard and that have been around MUCH longer than these new ones.. lol.. except i have heard some negative things about Howard, but will not get into that

Well, that's the point I'm trying to make.

Those "well-known" schools with less-than-professional names (imo) are doing just fine, what makes LECOM an exception?

Also, not responding directly to your post but something some else posted, forgot who. USC is pretty much all PBL, and many people despise the school in general (along with its PBL curriculum). It is super expensive (#1 if I'm not mistaken? Estimated first year is around $120,000 total) yet, still stands as a prestigious and dental program.
The thing with names is this; Just because it has a name, doesn't mean it's good. And many patients, since they do not do their research on which DS is best before looking for a doctor, assumes a well-known name they heard of is better than an obscure name, which is just not true. I guess we are both right on this, depends on which angle we argue from. I am going to have to agree, many patients in reality will stick with name-school graduates, but the actual truth is, it's silly and name schools doesn't necessarily mean name-quality education.

How do you know you are getting a great education? What's your basis of comparison? Have you attended other colleges lol? And what happens if you don't get into dental school and your future career goes nowhere because no employer wants to interview/hire someone from a school they never heard of? Won't you feel like a genius for spending $50K/yr for that?

I guess we never "know" if we get a good education. I can make the same argument about Harvard students not know if they are getting a "good education". However, I was initially going to enroll in my state school, and have a number of good friends there. I've toured the place, and heard the stories they tell about carless and unprofessional professors and TAs/RAs. On top of that, my school is ranked in the top 5, forgot if it was 3 or 4, highest paid liberal art school graduates. Yes, I guess you are right, I don't "know" for a fact, but I'm pretty confident in saying that, I didn't waste my $200grand going to the school.

As for getting into DS because of the name of my undergraduate program, I don't think that will happen. Like I said, it's pretty successful in the terms of students getting high-paid jobs, and is even ranked top 25 schools in the US by Forbes (for what it's worth), regardless of liberal arts or Universities. So my point is, people looking at my application are people in academia, therefore know more about different institutions than the average joe. Same goes with LECOM. Just because patients haven't heard of it, people in academia and most specifically in the DS field, will know more about it than the average patient. Meaning, you can see another dentist and he'll go "Yo, nice school" and a patient will go, "Never heard of it, bye"
So I guess it can go both ways depending on the angle you are arguing from, the patient's perspective, people in the field's perspective.

 

[GO BABY GO]

Well, that's the point I'm trying to make.

Those "well-known" schools with less-than-professional names (imo) are doing just fine, what makes LECOM an exception?

Also, not responding directly to your post but something some else posted, forgot who. USC is pretty much all PBL, and many people despise the school in general (along with its PBL curriculum). It is super expensive (#1 if I'm not mistaken? Estimated first year is around $120,000 total) yet, still stands as a prestigious and dental program.
The thing with names is this; Just because it has a name, doesn't mean it's good. And many patients, since they do not do their research on which DS is best before looking for a doctor, assumes a well-known name they heard of is better than an obscure name, which is just not true. I guess we are both right on this, depends on which angle we argue from. I am going to have to agree, many patients in reality will stick with name-school graduates, but the actual truth is, it's silly and name schools doesn't necessarily mean name-quality education.



I guess we never "know" if we get a good education. I can make the same argument about Harvard students not know if they are getting a "good education". However, I was initially going to enroll in my state school, and have a number of good friends there. I've toured the place, and heard the stories they tell about carless and unprofessional professors and TAs/RAs. On top of that, my school is ranked in the top 5, forgot if it was 3 or 4, highest paid liberal art school graduates. Yes, I guess you are right, I don't "know" for a fact, but I'm pretty confident in saying that, I didn't waste my $200grand going to the school.

As for getting into DS because of the name of my undergraduate program, I don't think that will happen. Like I said, it's pretty successful in the terms of students getting high-paid jobs, and is even ranked top 25 schools in the US by Forbes (for what it's worth), regardless of liberal arts or Universities. So my point is, people looking at my application are people in academia, therefore know more about different institutions than the average joe. Same goes with LECOM. Just because patients haven't heard of it, people in academia and most specifically in the DS field, will know more about it than the average patient. Meaning, you can see another dentist and he'll go "Yo, nice school" and a patient will go, "Never heard of it, bye"
So I guess it can go both ways depending on the angle you are arguing from, the patient's perspective, people in the field's perspective.

Exactly 👍 I agree with you 100% with that and this is what I was meaning in my above posts.