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What I hate about Dentistry
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You haven't read anything I have written. I'm not some blind patriotic zealot. Dude, I totally think the U.S. was wrong for invading Iraq. Where are those weapons of mass destructions we were seeking. Furthermore, I thought it was awfully strange how we awarded oil contracts to Halliburton and Bechtel as soon as we cleared out the Baathist party. It's not a coincidence that Vice President Dick Cheney was the former CEO of Halliburton
Anyway, I was just exposing the obvious and glaring holes in your argument. It has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with constructing a sound argument.
It's not as black and white as you would like to think of it. There is a reason why Canada spends less on defense than the U.S. And it's not because they are a good govt. while we are bad. You need to go beyond first impressions and really analyze the situation.
Denmark has a population of 5 million people. Don't you think it's easier managing a city the size of Dallas, Texas vs. managing an entire country like the U.S. Something to think about
You haven't read anything I have written. I'm not some blind patriotic zealot. Dude, I totally think the U.S. was wrong for invading Iraq. Where are those weapons of mass destructions we were seeking. Furthermore, I thought it was awfully strange how we awarded oil contracts to Halliburton and Bechtel as soon as we cleared out the Baathist party. It's not a coincidence that Vice President Dick Cheney was the former CEO of Halliburton
Anyway, I was just exposing the obvious and glaring holes in your argument. It has nothing to do with patriotism and everything to do with constructing a sound argument.
It's not as black and white as you would like to think of it. There is a reason why Canada spends less on defense than the U.S. And it's not because they are a good govt. while we are bad. You need to go beyond first impressions and really analyze the situation.
Denmark has a population of 5 million people. Don't you think it's easier managing a city the size of Dallas, Texas vs. managing an entire country like the U.S. Something to think about
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One more thing that you have obviously overlooked. What makes you think everyone who is without healthcare insurance didn't choose that situation.
The Department of Human Services provides medical care to those who qualify. And those include the poorest Americans.
In addition, many people elect not to pay for health insurance. They just don't feel it's worth the monthly expenditure. I know several people who don't have health insurance. It's not that these people can't afford it. They just prioritize elsewhere.
I never said it was okay that 80 million people lacked healthcare. I just have a problem with your naive assumption that Canada prioritizes healthcare more than the U.S. That's easier said than done especially when you have a 1/10th of our population.
I just think it's funny how you are trying to depict me as some U.S. homer when your initial statements were pro-Canada all the way.
The Department of Human Services provides medical care to those who qualify. And those include the poorest Americans.
In addition, many people elect not to pay for health insurance. They just don't feel it's worth the monthly expenditure. I know several people who don't have health insurance. It's not that these people can't afford it. They just prioritize elsewhere.
I never said it was okay that 80 million people lacked healthcare. I just have a problem with your naive assumption that Canada prioritizes healthcare more than the U.S. That's easier said than done especially when you have a 1/10th of our population.
I just think it's funny how you are trying to depict me as some U.S. homer when your initial statements were pro-Canada all the way.
the problem with americans is they do believe they are "the best", hence in europe they are always referred to as "ugly americans". to present the u.s. as the savior is ridiculous. the u.s. only intervenes when there is something in it for them. period. speaking of atrocities some posts back..being vietnamese, i can tell you i am non to fond of u.s. gi's. the rape and pillaging of villages was the norm. i have so many biracial friends who will never no their american fathers because they ran like cowards after the war. sure, the u.s. had done good, but it sure has been balanced with atrocities too.
p.s. the survey last week of the happiest people in the world...u.s. placed 16th!
p.s. the survey last week of the happiest people in the world...u.s. placed 16th!
*cough*off *cough* subject *cough*cough*
What do I hate about dentistry? I wish dentists would have more interaction with other dentists. In the medical field, MDs are always around each other. Then again, that is a hospital, and most dentists work privately.
Has there ever been a "dental hospital?" So I can go work there and not get lonely? 😀
What do I hate about dentistry? I wish dentists would have more interaction with other dentists. In the medical field, MDs are always around each other. Then again, that is a hospital, and most dentists work privately.
Has there ever been a "dental hospital?" So I can go work there and not get lonely? 😀
Doh, I forgot about that... 
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Actually the Scandinavians have the U.S. to thank for the defense. As I recall, it was ultimately the U.S. military's involvement that allowed them the right to exist during a little scuffle called World War II. Sure... no enemies. It's precisely when a there is no defense that enemies arise. Canada has gobs of resources that I'm sure many countries would like to have for their own.
Why don't these countries just take them? Up until the last century that was the standard and accepted practice among nations. If you were stronger, you took what you wanted. But now would-be tyrants and empire builders know they're gonna get creamed if they try anything funny. If the U.S. military were to adopt a policy of laissez-faire it wouldn't take long for chaos to ensue.
More on the topic of dentistry...
All dentistry is elective. With the advent of the electric blender, there is absolutely no reason that a person can't live a normal life without teeth. Steak smoothies, mmmmm...
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HI LestatZinnie,
Sorry for not replying earlier.. People from Calgary visit for Thanks giving....
Canadians People... Happy Thanks Giving
Everybody, Happy thanks giving too
I finished Undergrad at UBC and got into Case for Next year...
Dentistry Rocks
SAL
Sorry for not replying earlier.. People from Calgary visit for Thanks giving....
Canadians People... Happy Thanks Giving
Everybody, Happy thanks giving too
I finished Undergrad at UBC and got into Case for Next year...
Dentistry Rocks
SAL
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i thought about chiming in about the political discussion but i must refrain. largely, people argue amongst themselves, citing things that are false or hearsay and generally don't know what they are talking about beyond what they read on CNN. this is definitely apparent on both sides of what's been argued here. i will say that i love my country but i fear my government. these issues are not black and white. read "a people's history of the united states" and get an idea of what our government has done. and then read more conservative approaches and appreciate how your way of life is great.
but specifically to dentistry i must say that some of the people on this board disgust me. some of you people take such a simplistic approach to providing health care. your patients' problems do not begin and end when they show up with an emergency. to say that they either do not deserve dental care or are too stupid to maintain it, is a lack of proper education of the patient.
we are all contributing to medicine that "puts out the fires" rather than prevention and maintenance. while i agree it is frustrating to save a tooth by drilling caries only to see them back 2 years later with the same tooth completely rotted, i also know it is not entirely their fault. sure, they didn't brush and floss but do you really think it is because they are too stupid? no. they just don't care because they have not been given the same training and discussion that we have. it is the duty of the clinician to educate and convince their patients that it is in their best interests both physiologically and economically to take care of themselves.
the fact that many people are in it for the money is really disturbing but nothing new. our colleagues in medicine have one leg up on us in many respects because look at how many go into research. you don't go into academia for the money. how many dentists do research after they are licensed? how many dental schools offer extensive research opportunities? hardly any educational institutions that offer medical and dental training focus on research in dentistry.
i find this frustrating because there are wonderful topics in dental research emerging. some of which are going to revolutionize dentistry when they are finalized (read: innoculating against dental caries). some will take a few more generations (regenerative dentistry) before anything great happens.
so what do i hate about dentistry? i hate naive, close-minded, selfish, money-grubbing, misrepresentative, conniving dentists. there is a good book called 'ethical questions in dentistry'. some of the case studies are far-fetched but some are very representative. and the issues presented in that book are right on the money in our field. some people have brought them up such as inter-dentist communication which is a great thing to have but is sorely lacking.
anyways, nothing personal to anybody but if you're in it for the money, you may very well not end up happy. money won't make you happy after a while. find a career you love. at times i wish maybe i should have gone into medicine (then again i'm still young maybe i will 🙂
thanks for reading.
marshall
but specifically to dentistry i must say that some of the people on this board disgust me. some of you people take such a simplistic approach to providing health care. your patients' problems do not begin and end when they show up with an emergency. to say that they either do not deserve dental care or are too stupid to maintain it, is a lack of proper education of the patient.
we are all contributing to medicine that "puts out the fires" rather than prevention and maintenance. while i agree it is frustrating to save a tooth by drilling caries only to see them back 2 years later with the same tooth completely rotted, i also know it is not entirely their fault. sure, they didn't brush and floss but do you really think it is because they are too stupid? no. they just don't care because they have not been given the same training and discussion that we have. it is the duty of the clinician to educate and convince their patients that it is in their best interests both physiologically and economically to take care of themselves.
the fact that many people are in it for the money is really disturbing but nothing new. our colleagues in medicine have one leg up on us in many respects because look at how many go into research. you don't go into academia for the money. how many dentists do research after they are licensed? how many dental schools offer extensive research opportunities? hardly any educational institutions that offer medical and dental training focus on research in dentistry.
i find this frustrating because there are wonderful topics in dental research emerging. some of which are going to revolutionize dentistry when they are finalized (read: innoculating against dental caries). some will take a few more generations (regenerative dentistry) before anything great happens.
so what do i hate about dentistry? i hate naive, close-minded, selfish, money-grubbing, misrepresentative, conniving dentists. there is a good book called 'ethical questions in dentistry'. some of the case studies are far-fetched but some are very representative. and the issues presented in that book are right on the money in our field. some people have brought them up such as inter-dentist communication which is a great thing to have but is sorely lacking.
anyways, nothing personal to anybody but if you're in it for the money, you may very well not end up happy. money won't make you happy after a while. find a career you love. at times i wish maybe i should have gone into medicine (then again i'm still young maybe i will 🙂
thanks for reading.
marshall
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The debate about health care being a right or a privilege is a difficult one, one I am not sure I know the answer to. I do know that ethically all who provide care should give some pro bono time and effort. If that means taking that ER case that you know you won't get paid for, or working at the county hospital for a few hours to give something back, or making the effort to do something that you wouldn't normally do for someone without adequate funds...we should all make the effort to take some time to do this.
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Congrats on getting in Dent!! Really hope you enjoy it. Can you also pls tell me where Case is? (what's the full name of the university- pardon my ignorance)
i miss vancouver!
Congrats on getting in Dent!! Really hope you enjoy it. Can you also pls tell me where Case is? (what's the full name of the university- pardon my ignorance)
i miss vancouver!
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quote: Marshall
You hate the dentists or you hate those attributes?. Because I know many people who have all of those qualities and aren't dentists. In every profession you have those types of people, even those beloved medical doctors.
One of the many reasons that I chose to pursue dentistry was the job security and the financial stability. A major goal in my life is to provide a better life for my children than what I got growing up. Dentisty offers a wonderful oppurtunity, not only will I be making a fair amount of money, but also I will not have to be working 60-70 hours a week to do it in. Does this mean I'm money hungry or lazy? No. I also have all the canned answers for wanting to go into dentistry, and I actually mean them. But serving the community isn't my number 1 reason. I do want to serve the community and "help people", but if that was my end all goal in life, I would choose to do things like the peace corp, or be a missionary. But as I see it, I get the best of both worlds, I get to do all the things that I love, fullfilling individual and family goals and while I'm doing this, I'm also being of service to others.
You hate the dentists or you hate those attributes?. Because I know many people who have all of those qualities and aren't dentists. In every profession you have those types of people, even those beloved medical doctors.
One of the many reasons that I chose to pursue dentistry was the job security and the financial stability. A major goal in my life is to provide a better life for my children than what I got growing up. Dentisty offers a wonderful oppurtunity, not only will I be making a fair amount of money, but also I will not have to be working 60-70 hours a week to do it in. Does this mean I'm money hungry or lazy? No. I also have all the canned answers for wanting to go into dentistry, and I actually mean them. But serving the community isn't my number 1 reason. I do want to serve the community and "help people", but if that was my end all goal in life, I would choose to do things like the peace corp, or be a missionary. But as I see it, I get the best of both worlds, I get to do all the things that I love, fullfilling individual and family goals and while I'm doing this, I'm also being of service to others.
I would like to share with you guys an incident that happened to me in my dentist office, I would like your opinion!!!
I had a problem with one of my tooth, broke while eating popcorn at a movie theatre... anyways, i noticed something very annoying when I was at the office, the dentist started disscussing my case at the reception area infront of other patients then he started disscussing the money issue as well since i don't have insurance...
Then he suggested that I should let my parents pay for me if I can't even before letting me respond... I found that was very offensive and inappropriate...
So what do you think, should the dentist discuss patients cases infront of othe patients and should dentists interfere with the money issue???????????
Note: LastatZinnie... The university is Case western reserve.. It is raining in vancouver like crazy
Cheers
I had a problem with one of my tooth, broke while eating popcorn at a movie theatre... anyways, i noticed something very annoying when I was at the office, the dentist started disscussing my case at the reception area infront of other patients then he started disscussing the money issue as well since i don't have insurance...
Then he suggested that I should let my parents pay for me if I can't even before letting me respond... I found that was very offensive and inappropriate...
So what do you think, should the dentist discuss patients cases infront of othe patients and should dentists interfere with the money issue???????????
Note: LastatZinnie... The university is Case western reserve.. It is raining in vancouver like crazy
Cheers
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Sally,
Sorry to say, but I think all the Canada/Vancouver/British Columbia stuff is true!!! (j/k)
Here in the states they have enacted a law called HIPAA. If a dentist were to do what your dentist did over here, s/he may likely not be a dentist anymore!
Sorry to say, but I think all the Canada/Vancouver/British Columbia stuff is true!!! (j/k)
Here in the states they have enacted a law called HIPAA. If a dentist were to do what your dentist did over here, s/he may likely not be a dentist anymore!
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In a word, um, •NO.•
That kind of behavior is extraordinarily unethical, and since last April or so, federally illegal. HIPAA was enacted explicitly to prevent that specific behavior--disclosure of sensitive health information to unrelated parties. If you're interested, and if it's happened since the law took effect in April, you could sue the pants off the dentist who did that.
Man, what a screwup. It's cases like this that brought HIPAA down on us in the first place 😡
