What is a good number of IIs for an acceptance?

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The school I interviewed at when I called for feedback that my interviewer gave me solid remarks but they chose to waitlist me since it was early in the cycle and wanted to look at other candidates. A girl form my date got accepted with lower stats and she was terribly shy and awkward. So it does make me very confused??
That's the equivalent of a romantic interest saying they aren't looking for a relationship and then going out and choosing someone else!


I think opinion is divided on this forum based on personal experience and preexisting beleifs about the interview process and our own personal qualities.
 
That's the equivalent of a romantic interest saying they aren't looking for a relationship and then going out and choosing someone else!


I think opinion is divided on this forum based on personal experience and preexisting beleifs about the interview process and our own personal qualities.

I know but that feedback wasn't helpful at all. My interviewers emailed me telling me i did a great job after i emailed them thank you letters...and that they looked forward to me attending their school. I am a solid interviewer, did prep at my state school, did multiple workshops, and successfully got jobs on my interviewing skills so it can't just be based on the interview.
 
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Out of curiosity, why did you expect that of him? Bad social skills?
He's the most arrogant and condescending person I know. He told me the only reason he considers me a friend is that I'm not a complete *****. To this day, I consider it the greatest compliment I've ever received.
 
He's the most arrogant and condescending person I know. He told me the only reason he considers me a friend is that I'm not a complete *****. To this day, I consider it the greatest compliment I've ever received.
Oh, lovely. I feel terrible saying stuff like this, but I wish people like this would never get in
 
If you have the stats someone may accidentally overlook your non redeeming qualities.
my first (and prob last) interview at a top 20 school was last week and while most people in my group were chill, it was obvious a few of them had interviewed all over the place and didnt care for the incredible institution we were at. and of course at the end, the one kid goes "i bombed my interview but who cares i think ill still get in"

-_-
 
Wasn't it like, 60% of people who matriculate only have one interview?

Also, SDN is getting really panicky these days. Everyone needs to take a chill pill.
 
Wasn't it like, 60% of people who matriculate only have one interview?

Also, SDN is getting really panicky these days. Everyone needs to take a chill pill.
I thought 40% of matriculants only have 1 acceptance, so that couldn't be right
 
As of 4/1 I had one acceptance and 5 wait list spots. I am at a school that gave me an acceptance in mid-July. It is s long cycle.

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Dude most of us only have 0-1 interviews amd you're worried that 3-5 might not be a good number for getting accepted? Seriously?
 
BTW, in honor of all the tea leaves being read this morning, I am having a cup of Earl Grey instead of my usual Peet's French Roast (I pity those who only know from Star Bucks)
Is the tea leaf reading incorporated into the holistic review?
 
No, we believe in a scientific method based on mathematics rules. We roll dice. Occasionally we make side bets.

BTW, I wonder if anyone who ever had an interview scheduled for Halloween ever showed up in costume? Even worse, I wonder if some nervous applicant walked in to an interviewer dressed as a witch or bum? Something tells me this has to have happened at some point.
It's the infinite monkeys with an infinite number of type writers problem. It has or probably will occur. Much like the dude that lit up a cigarette post 2000 in a med school interview.
 
The more I go through this process the more of a numbers who're I become. I don't blame schools for doing it. Mcat performance is related to step performance after all.
 
I had 2 interviews and 1 acceptance. I feel like after 1 acceptance everything else is just icing.
 
After hearing who has shown up at @gyngyn 's interviews, I wouldn't be surprised in the least.

No, we believe in a scientific method based on mathematics rules. We roll dice. Occasionally we make side bets.

BTW, I wonder if anyone who ever had an interview scheduled for Halloween ever showed up in costume? Even worse, I wonder if some nervous applicant walked in to an interviewer dressed as a witch or bum? Something tells me this has to have happened at some point.
 
Wasn't it like, 60% of people who matriculate only have one interview?

Also, SDN is getting really panicky these days. Everyone needs to take a chill pill.

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Dude most of us only have 0-1 interviews amd you're worried that 3-5 might not be a good number for getting accepted? Seriously?

I don't see what's wrong with being concerned especially after reading all the horror stories of people on this site. I feel like I applied to a realistic list but I'm annoyed at how things may pan out at the end and people with lower stats/credentials and poorer interviewing skills end up getting accepted. Like what else could I have done? I don't want this same situation to happen in my next four interviews. I even called to schedule an appointment and we went over my app and there was nothing I could have done differently. My interviewers gave me really high remarks and said I should definitely come in, and one of them said she could see me doing research in her lab. But I still got waitlisted...and now I need to wait until April and this is truly stressful.
 
It's incredible how people speak on other applicants with such conviction. OP, the girl who was admitted that had "lower stats/credentials" and was "very shy and awkward" was obviously a better candidate by whatever measures the adcoms were judging by. Did you read her application package? Did you interview her? And all these other applicants with "poorer interviewing skills"...did you interview them as well? No. You didn't. You simply did not bring something to the table, whether on paper or in person, that prompted immediate acceptance. Period.

You're annoyed. Understandably so. But being annoyed isn't going to gain acceptance anywhere. Focus your attention on the interviews coming up. Anecdotally, I knew a girl who attended 8 interviews. She was rejected from all 8 institutions. Not waitlisted, but rejected. Count your blessings.
 
It's incredible how people speak on other applicants with such conviction. OP, the girl who was admitted that had "lower stats/credentials" and was "very shy and awkward" was obviously a better candidate by whatever measures the adcoms were judging by. Did you read her application package? Did you interview her? And all these other applicants with "poorer interviewing skills"...did you interview them as well? No. You didn't. You simply did not bring something to the table, whether on paper or in person, that prompted immediate acceptance. Period.

You're annoyed. Understandably so. But being annoyed isn't going to gain acceptance anywhere. Focus your attention on the interviews coming up. Anecdotally, I knew a girl who attended 8 interviews. She was rejected from all 8 institutions. Not waitlisted, but rejected. Count your blessings.


The notion that adcoms are near perfect, fair, or actually pic the best candidates by any consistent metric is laughable. Not every person who gets in to medical school actually should get a spot, and not everyone that is rejected each year lack the skills to be an awesome doctor. While adcoms do a good job overall, there is a significant portion of poor decisions that are made.

When you get to medical school you will meet a significant minority of applicants that have absolutely no business anywhere near medical school or a patient, each one for a multitude of different reasons. Then you'll meet re-applicants who make you wonder how in the world they couldn't get accepted the first time. Again, these cases aren't the majority but there are enough to warrant the discussion. Applying to medical schools is a random process with dozens of smaller inner workings and factors (beyond MCAT/GPA/ECs) that an applicant can't even begin to comprehend.

I'd say adcoms do a good job 80-90% of the time, but the 10%-20 of people they get wrong is scary and unfortunately I don't see that ever changing.
 
It's incredible how people speak on other applicants with such conviction. OP, the girl who was admitted that had "lower stats/credentials" and was "very shy and awkward" was obviously a better candidate by whatever measures the adcoms were judging by. Did you read her application package? Did you interview her? And all these other applicants with "poorer interviewing skills"...did you interview them as well? No. You didn't. You simply did not bring something to the table, whether on paper or in person, that prompted immediate acceptance. Period.

You're annoyed. Understandably so. But being annoyed isn't going to gain acceptance anywhere. Focus your attention on the interviews coming up. Anecdotally, I knew a girl who attended 8 interviews. She was rejected from all 8 institutions. Not waitlisted, but rejected. Count your blessings.
Umm there's nothing else I could have brought to the table as the dean and ad com told me I did perfectly. They could not give me a single reason why I wasn't selected....They praised me and said my stats were significantly higher than those they admitted this round. Seems very unfair.
 
The notion that adcoms are near perfect, fair, or actually pic the best candidates by any consistent metric is laughable. Not every person who gets in to medical school actually should get a spot, and not everyone that is rejected each year lack the skills to be an awesome doctor. While adcoms do a good job overall, there is a significant portion of poor decisions that are made.

When you get to medical school you will meet a significant minority of applicants that have absolutely no business anywhere near medical school or a patient, each one for a multitude of different reasons. Then you'll meet re-applicants who make you wonder how in the world they couldn't get accepted the first time. Again, these cases aren't the majority but there are enough to warrant the discussion. Applying to medical schools is a random process with dozens of smaller inner workings and factors (beyond MCAT/GPA/ECs) that an applicant can't even begin to comprehend.

I'd say adcoms do a good job 80-90% of the time, but the 10%-20 of people they get wrong is scary and unfortunately I don't see that ever changing.
That is exactly my concern. I see extremely "perfect" applicants and I'm not saying I'm perfect by any measure but it's annoying how on SDN they say it all comes down to you and your interview hen there are clearly other things that are going on that aren't related to your interview.
 
The notion that adcoms are near perfect, fair, or actually pic the best candidates by any consistent metric is laughable. Not every person who gets in to medical school actually should get a spot, and not everyone that is rejected each year lack the skills to be an awesome doctor. While adcoms do a good job overall, there is a significant portion of poor decisions that are made.

When you get to medical school you will meet a significant minority of applicants that have absolutely no business anywhere near medical school or a patient, each one for a multitude of different reasons. Then you'll meet re-applicants who make you wonder how in the world they couldn't get accepted the first time. Again, these cases aren't the majority but there are enough to warrant the discussion. Applying to medical schools is a random process with dozens of smaller inner workings and factors (beyond MCAT/GPA/ECs) that an applicant can't even begin to comprehend.

I'd say adcoms do a good job 80-90% of the time, but the 10%-20 of people they get wrong is scary and unfortunately I don't see that ever changing.

I agree! And like you said, it is a rare 10-20% that miss a well deserved acceptance. Which is the whole point of applying to enough programs to lessen that chance. Adcoms aren't perfect, applicants aren't either. Is the fear real and warranted? Sure. But perseverating on flimsy comparisons between oneself and other applicants is useless. Really.
 
I don't see what's wrong with being concerned especially after reading all the horror stories of people on this site. I feel like I applied to a realistic list but I'm annoyed at how things may pan out at the end and people with lower stats/credentials and poorer interviewing skills end up getting accepted. Like what else could I have done? I don't want this same situation to happen in my next four interviews. I even called to schedule an appointment and we went over my app and there was nothing I could have done differently. My interviewers gave me really high remarks and said I should definitely come in, and one of them said she could see me doing research in her lab. But I still got waitlisted...and now I need to wait until April and this is truly stressful.
Don't take this the wrong way, but you sound really abrasive and condescending to others that you perceive as inferior to you on the interview trail. You got waitlisted, you obviously didn't knock the socks off your interviewer, while people you perceive as inferior did. Who cares if you got awards for interviews at pageants? This isn't a popularity contest. No matter what you say, you have your results and you can now move forward with them. You have plenty more interviews to do great at. This is just some constructive advice from reading your posts in this thread.
Best of luck!
 
Umm there's nothing else I could have brought to the table as the dean and ad com told me I did perfectly. They could not give me a single reason why I wasn't selected....They praised me and said my stats were significantly higher than those they admitted this round. Seems very unfair.

Again, you could have done perfectly but you did not bring what they were looking for to gain immediate acceptance. What can you do? Sue them for not accepting you right away? You can't operate on the fear that you are the 10% that missed a well deserved admission lmao but girl, good luck on your next interviews! Hope it works out for you.
 
It doesnt go away. I dont think it will until I am at the white coat ceremony.

Do you ever feel like suddenly they'll wake up one morning and rescind your acceptance? I know it's far-fetched but I keep telling myself-- just do what you've been doing for the past >20+ years and you should be fine. Don't start forest fires, commandeer ships, drive 5 miles above speed limit, and don't you dare jay walk out of convenience!
 
No i did or I wouldn't have gotten such high remarks when I met with the dean and the AdCOM! They said I was definitely one of the best so I don' tunderstnad why that translates into a waitlist

I can't help but picture Trump when reading this comment..

You were waitlisted, someone else was accepted. They liked her application and interview more than they liked you. End of story. Can't win them all.


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What school was this? Did you ever think they were being kind ?
I'll keep it for anonymity but no because my other friend went there as well and they told her exactly what was wrong in her app - her score was too low and they said her interviewers didn't evaluate her highly.
 
Do you ever feel like suddenly they'll wake up one morning and rescind your acceptance? I know it's far-fetched but I keep telling myself-- just do what you've been doing for the past >20+ years and you should be fine. Don't start forest fires, commandeer ships, drive 5 miles above speed limit, and don't you dare jay walk out of convenience!
I unfortunately am not perfect, and I might accidentally or absentmindedly jay walk leading to a rescinded offer.
 
I'll keep it for anonymity but no because my other friend went there as well and they told her exactly what was wrong in her app - her score was too low and they said her interviewers didn't evaluate her highly.
Can't help diagnose the issue if we don't have all the Information. That being said you are either incredibly young or incredibly sheltered. There is a lot of stuff in life that is the result of chance. My advice, roll with it and focus on the positive. You will buy yourself a one way ticket to a miserable life otherwise.
 
Can't help diagnose the issue if we don't have all the Information. That being said you are either incredibly young or incredibly sheltered. There is a lot of stuff in life that is the result of chance. My advice, roll with it and focus on the positive. You will buy yourself a one way ticket to a miserable life otherwise.

I'm neither but I did go in person and my friend and I were both fortunate to have the interview at the same place so we both had the option to also drive again and have a meeting. I am not going to give you my college information because I don't know what you will do with it but it's frustrating when they tell you you have nothing to improve on and things were stellar. If I had something more tangible, I would be much more ready for the next ones.

I am not trying to be abrasive in my posts; I'm simply trying to voice that there are things that go beyond the interview.
 
I got wait listed at the 5th and accepted to the 7th and 8th (still waiting to hear from #5). Either my interviewing has drastically improved with practice or this is a pretty humorous correlation.

I'm sure you did fine but maybe they were low yield or something! Good job. Those are a lot of IIs and well-deserved
 
I'm sure you did fine but maybe they were low yield or something! Good job. Those are a lot of IIs and well-deserved

I've also been rejected after every MMI I have attended and accepted or waitlisted after every traditional interview (except some I'm still waiting to hear from). Again, not sure if this is a strange coincidence or if I am terrible at MMIs and good at normal interviews lol
 
Can't help diagnose the issue if we don't have all the Information. That being said you are either incredibly young or incredibly sheltered. There is a lot of stuff in life that is the result of chance. My advice, roll with it and focus on the positive. You will buy yourself a one way ticket to a miserable life otherwise.

I've just got to step in and say that was uncalled for. I thought it was helpful information and a message to all those waiting out there not to take an admissions decision as a judgment of personal character.
 
I've also been rejected after every MMI I have attended and accepted or waitlisted after every traditional interview (except some I'm still waiting to hear from). Again, not sure if this is a strange coincidence or if I am terrible at MMIs and good at normal interviews lol
I haven't had an MMI and I've been studying since a lot of schools use it. I'm sure you've been accepted to schools that match your goals and realized what a great candidate you are though. Not sure where to start but I have been studying ethics. I haven't had an II where an MMI is required, but maybe your amazing extracurriculars or life story are just more evident in a personal one. I also feel like MMI means more interviewees since there are stations and it's easy to get lost in those crowds.
 
I've just got to step in and say that was uncalled for. I thought it was helpful information and a message to all those waiting out there not to take an admissions decision as a judgment of personal character.
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he girl I was talking about who was shy is an aquanitance and she even told me she struggled to answer a lot of questions (she came out in tears and I comforted her), but a lot of people on this thread are comparing me to Trump when that's really not it. I did what I thought was best and I even revisited the school with another friend who was waitlisted to get an idea of how to improve for the next one. They couldn't really give me anything, and I wanted to express my frustration and prayer that this doesn't happen at other schools!

I have 5 IIs, none from my state school (UNR) yet. That's more than my other friends do and I know I am good at communicating in person. I have done pageants extensively and we are quizzed on anything and everything. So I know my interview was powerful. I know what went well. TO say that they get paid for being nice isn't true and sometimes they just really don' thave a good reason or anything that's lacking. Makes me think it's easy to get lost in the piles of applications even after an interview.
 
I haven't had an MMI and I've been studying since a lot of schools use it. I'm sure you've been accepted to schools that match your goals and realized what a great candidate you are though. Not sure where to start but I have been studying ethics. I haven't had an II where an MMI is required, but maybe your amazing extracurriculars or life story are just more evident in a personal one. I also feel like MMI means more interviewees since there are stations and it's easy to get lost in those crowds.

I agree. I'm not upset or anything - just commenting on the weirdness that is applying to medical school.
 
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he girl I was talking about who was shy is an aquanitance and she even told me she struggled to answer a lot of questions (she came out in tears and I comforted her), but a lot of people on this thread are comparing me to Trump when that's really not it. I did what I thought was best and I even revisited the school with another friend who was waitlisted to get an idea of how to improve for the next one. They couldn't really give me anything, and I wanted to express my frustration and prayer that this doesn't happen at other schools!

I have 5 IIs, none from my state school (UNR) yet. That's more than my other friends do and I know I am good at communicating in person. I have done pageants extensively and we are quizzed on anything and everything. So I know my interview was powerful. I know what went well. TO say that they get paid for being nice isn't true and sometimes they just really don' thave a good reason or anything that's lacking. Makes me think it's easy to get lost in the piles of applications even after an interview.

Why are you refusing to believe that there's a reason you were waitlisted? Maybe your interview really was great.. Well then I guess it just wasn't quite enough to carry the rest of your application. The ADCOM likes some people (application and interview combined) more than you. They think other people are a better fit for their school than you.

Honestly, if the rest of your personality is in tune with what I've read here, it's no surprise. No one owes you an acceptance, and they don't owe you an outline of exactly why someone else was accepted over you. That doesn't mean there aren't good reasons.


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Why are you refusing to believe that there's a reason you were waitlisted? Maybe your interview really was great.. Well then I guess it just wasn't quite enough to carry the rest of your application. The ADCOM likes some people (application and interview combined) more than you. They think other people are a better fit for their school than you.

Honestly, if the rest of your personality is in tune with what I've read here, it's no surprise. No one owes you an acceptance, and they don't owe you an outline of exactly why someone else was accepted over you. That doesn't mean there aren't good reasons.


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I honestly don't owe you any response. Hitting you with the block button. Good bye now 🙂

I said I was willing to admit if there were deficits but there clearly weren't, so I'm allowed to voice that. They said they couldn't think of any reasons why and opened my file in front of me, so I was able to look at the remarks and they were outstanding. Have fun equating strangers to Trump when you don't have a full background or knowledge of me.
 
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