What is a good score in step 1 for an IMG for 2012 match?

[Daydreamer27]

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I got a score of 242/99 in step 1. As an IMG,i am not sure if its good enough!!

 

[event horizon]

Ah the Big Apple. I hope you get to go there. I've only visited but I can see why people want to live there. Follow the dream! I am about to take Step 1 in three weeks so wish me luck for that. Thanks again, it was good seeing an honest opinion on the forums with the world experience to actually back it up.

I've visited NYC a couple of times, and I took an 8-week elective there 3 years ago. I would love to live there for a few years. My kind of place 🙂
Good luck with Step 1! I just took it a couple of weeks ago and until I get my score I don't think I'm qualified to give any advice. But this forum was a big help. And with all the amazing scores you see around it provides very good positive motivation. I started with a goal of just getting a 99. By the end of my study period I was aiming for 250s-260s. Still keeping my fingers crossed. Three weeks is a long time. I'm sure you'll do great.

And one more thing... maybe take the recent feedback with a grain of salt? A lot of people have been posting about how terrible their exam experience was post-May 17. But you never know what you're gonna get. I personally thought my exam (taken before that date) was pretty fair - a little more vague than UWorld and the NBMEs (fewer buzzwords) but overall OK. But I was still freaking out during the first block when I ended up marking the first 15 questions consecutively... and I think I consistently marked 1/3-1/2 of the questions per block. Also there was a block where I ran out of time and didn't finish reviewing the questions I marked, which had never happened before (I simulated the exam with 2 sets of NBMEs in a day, twice). I think it's natural for people to take the real deal more seriously. I couldn't allow myself to move on from a question, even an easy one, without triple-checking that I marked the right answer. My last 5 NBMEs predicted 254-259. I still have a week of agony left, so I guess we'll see if I was right to offer the reassurance.

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

I've visited NYC a couple of times, and I took an 8-week elective there 3 years ago. I would love to live there for a few years. My kind of place 🙂
Good luck with Step 1! I just took it a couple of weeks ago and until I get my score I don't think I'm qualified to give any advice. But this forum was a big help. And with all the amazing scores you see around it provides very good positive motivation. I started with a goal of just getting a 99. By the end of my study period I was aiming for 250s-260s. Still keeping my fingers crossed. Three weeks is a long time. I'm sure you'll do great.

And one more thing... maybe take the recent feedback with a grain of salt? A lot of people have been posting about how terrible their exam experience was post-May 17. But you never know what you're gonna get. I personally thought my exam (taken before that date) was pretty fair - a little more vague than UWorld and the NBMEs (fewer buzzwords) but overall OK. But I was still freaking out during the first block when I ended up marking the first 15 questions consecutively... and I think I consistently marked 1/3-1/2 of the questions per block. Also there was a block where I ran out of time and didn't finish reviewing the questions I marked, which had never happened before (I simulated the exam with 2 sets of NBMEs in a day, twice). I think it's natural for people to take the real deal more seriously. I couldn't allow myself to move on from a question, even an easy one, without triple-checking that I marked the right answer. My last 5 NBMEs predicted 254-259. I still have a week of agony left, so I guess we'll see if I was right to offer the reassurance.

Thanks Event Horizon, that is what I was wondering about. I heard alot of doom and gloom from the Post May 17th apocalypse survivors and it was freaking me out. I have been studying so much my brain hurts lol. I am just aiming to get a 230 or even 220. I want to get into IM and not even at an amazing program. But I am still aiming for the stars and see if I can land on the moon. My practice NBMEs are saying 240 so we will see. Good luck with your score! I am pretty sure you rocked it. Post your results in the Step 1 experience! Thanks again for the advice, I really appreciate it.

 

[event horizon]

Thanks Event Horizon, that is what I was wondering about. I heard alot of doom and gloom from the Post May 17th apocalypse survivors and it was freaking me out. I have been studying so much my brain hurts lol. I am just aiming to get a 230 or even 220. I want to get into IM and not even at an amazing program. But I am still aiming for the stars and see if I can land on the moon. My practice NBMEs are saying 240 so we will see. Good luck with your score! I am pretty sure you rocked it. Post your results in the Step 1 experience! Thanks again for the advice, I really appreciate it.

Thanks, I will. With your NBMEs I'd say you have a very comfortable margin of making high 220s-230s. With a 240 in your NBMEs your score could even jump to the 250s. Just make sure to keep on challenging yourself with good questions. And if your brain starts hurting, just take a break, get some exercise, watch a movie. Or why don't you browse through the years worth of doom and gloom from test-takers on this forum who later found out they got excellent scores? That should cheer you up. Again, good luck, and I'm glad I found a kindred spirit.

 

[redcard]

So what we conclude now from this thread that people leaving their countries and moving to the U.S are doing so just for the sake of hot girls and every IMG who tells you that he/she came here for some other reason is actually sugar-coating it.


@SeekerOfTheTree:
How is life in planet Mars ? Because back here on planet earth there are actually natural disasters ,earthquakes,tornados ..... Back here on planet earth there are wars where people actually get killed,kidnapped,bombed.

Back here on planet earth there are actually some countries where people don't get to say/do whatever they want ...

People being harassed , threatened because they have another religion or for not believing in god for that matter ... People getting executed for having a different sexual orientaion .


My advice : Take some time off your dates with those HOT GIRLS and pay a visit to your local immigration office , redcross .... or whatever and meet some real people with some REAL life stories .


PS : You might not actually be able to enter the office because of all the sugar-coating .

 

[bbydoc]

So what we conclude now from this thread that people leaving their countries and moving to the U.S are doing so just for the sake of hot girls and every IMG who tells you that he/she came here for some other reason is actually sugar-coating it.

no, you still don't get it, do you? we leave, pakistan, india, china, europe because the US rock! if it is the girls (I would think we have better ones in europe (not England!!), but thats just a personal opinion) doing it for you, good for you! don't take that out of context.

 

[redcard]

no, you still don't get it, do you? we leave, pakistan, india, china, europe because the US rock! if it is the girls (I would think we have better ones in europe (not England!!), but thats just a personal opinion) doing it for you, good for you! don't take that out of context.

I didn't take anything out of context ... I don't remember me saying that the US doesn't rock ..... You don't get it ,do you ?

There are people leaving their countries for the reasons i stated above not for the hot girls.

And generalizing that everyone is doing that for hot girls and anyone who says otherwise is sugar-coating it. is just ridiculous in my humble opinion.

 

[bbydoc]

I didn't take anything out of context ... I don't remember me saying that the US doesn't rock ..... You don't get it ,do you ?

There are people leaving their countries for the reasons i stated above not for the hot girls.

And generalizing that everyone is doing that for hot girls and anyone who says otherwise is sugar-coating it. is just ridiculous in my humble opinion.

you are the only one who is making that generalization on this thread.

 

[redcard]

you are the only one who is making that generalization on this thread.

LOL !!??😱

There is clearly no point in discussing after this sentence because it's obvious that you haven't read the thread.

 

[event horizon]

LOL !!??😱

There is clearly no point in discussing after this sentence because it's obvious that you haven't read the thread.

I think you're making the mistake of taking people too literally. For me "hot girls" stands for a better, more convenient life with more money, more opportunities for personal freedom and enjoyment, and generally a higher standard of living. I think this is what most IMGs are after. It's true that there are people escaping harassment from war-torn countries and discriminatory places, but the fact is, most IMGs aren't actually applying for refugee status. Most of us are leaving OK lives in our home countries for the promise of more fulfilling ones abroad.

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

Thank you guys!

Redcard, I hope you realize the whole "HOT GIRLS" was just an example. It can represent anything. Most people seem to get that. We leave for our own personal reasons. I’m not so horny that all I see in the U.S. is the bikini clad girls. Granted because there is winter and the girls cover themselves up but that is beside the point.

I think event horizon and bbydoc get what I was posting.

Again, if you are watching Fox News it might make it look like the rest of the world is going to hell that’s why people are rushing to the U.S. Some IMGs that come here might do it because of the wars and famine, but most foreigners come here because we like it here. It's just nice and there is no other reason. I’m not gonna sugar coat it, that’s my point.

Again, I love IMGs and I think they should be allowed to practice medicine where they want but just be honest about it and don’t make yourself out to be a martyr. Just say you like the binkini clad women of the west 🙂

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

I think you're making the mistake of taking people too literally. For me "hot girls" stands for a better, more convenient life with more money, more opportunities for personal freedom and enjoyment, and generally a higher standard of living. I think this is what most IMGs are after. It's true that there are people escaping harassment from war-torn countries and discriminatory places, but the fact is, most IMGs aren't actually applying for refugee status. Most of us are leaving OK lives in our home countries for the promise of more fulfilling ones abroad.

You hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what I was trying to say. I would love to be in residency with a guy like you.

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

no, you still don't get it, do you? we leave, pakistan, india, china, europe because the US rock! if it is the girls (I would think we have better ones in europe (not England!!), but thats just a personal opinion) doing it for you, good for you! don't take that out of context.

The Swedish women I have met are beautiful. Not to mention the Italians...For some reason the British women are the only ones that won't give Pakistani guys a chance. What is that all about?

 

[bbydoc]

The Swedish women I have met are beautiful. Not to mention the Italians...For some reason the British women are the only ones that won't give Pakistani guys a chance. What is that all about?

oversaturation is the first reason I guess? 50% of the ethnic minorities in the UK are of indian and pakistani origin.
second reason is pakistani boys have a distinct way of articulating their "feelings". (not saying this in a condescending way, have quite a lot of classmates and friends in medschool of pakistani origin)
well...british women arent really worth the effort anyway (not saying this because of hurt feelings haha)

 

[bbydoc]

I think you're making the mistake of taking people too literally. For me "hot girls" stands for a better, more convenient life with more money, more opportunities for personal freedom and enjoyment, and generally a higher standard of living. I think this is what most IMGs are after. It's true that there are people escaping harassment from war-torn countries and discriminatory places, but the fact is, most IMGs aren't actually applying for refugee status. Most of us are leaving OK lives in our home countries for the promise of more fulfilling ones abroad.

your effort is in vain 😛
I tried to explain the same thing but he didnt get it.

 

[redcard]

I think you're making the mistake of taking people too literally. For me "hot girls" stands for a better, more convenient life with more money, more opportunities for personal freedom and enjoyment, and generally a higher standard of living. I think this is what most IMGs are after. It's true that there are people escaping harassment from war-torn countries and discriminatory places, but the fact is, most IMGs aren't actually applying for refugee status. Most of us are leaving OK lives in our home countries for the promise of more fulfilling ones abroad.

The point of the "hot-girls idiom" that i qouted was to say that if someone says that he/she is in the U.S because they are escaping wars,discrimination ...etc.that doesn't mean that they are sugar-coating stuff i.e lying .

There is no one argueing whether the U.S rocks or not and the fact that there is a better life standard in general (i think that i already said that like a week ago).but that wasn't the point.


Now there are many many many stuff that i can qoute in this thread but i don't have the desire to do that but i can take one quick example :

Here is what SeekeroftheTree wrote earlier:
"Just say you like the U.S. and want to come here. Don't say that because of the war, hungry kids, natural disasters you and your family are going through great hardship so you want to leave."

If people are actually going to the U.S truly and genuinely because of these stuff , how on earth would them saying that be sugar-coating ?
Everyone likes the U.S because it rocks ,ofcourse . But that is/was not the point.

It's true that there are people escaping harassment from war-torn countries and discriminatory places, but the fact is, most IMGs aren't actually applying for refugee status. Most of us are leaving OK lives in our home countries for the promise of more fulfilling ones abroad.

There is actually no way to know whether most IMGs are applying for refugee status or not ( Where did you get that sort of statistics from ) ?
And whether they apply or not is a totally different matter( Not everyone fleeing from these stuff can actually prove it but it doesn't mean he/she is lying either ).

You might be leaving an OK life in your home country .... but it might not be the case with many others.

Generalizing is not good.

And for the dude with the "efforts gone in vain" : Man , my earlier reply to you literally went in vain as you made it crystal clear that you hadn't even read the thread .

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

The point of the "hot-girls idiom" that i qouted was to say that if someone says that he/she is in the U.S because they are escaping wars,discrimination ...etc.that doesn't mean that they are sugar-coating stuff i.e lying .

There is no one argueing whether the U.S rocks or not and the fact that there is a better life standard in general (i think that i already said that like a week ago).but that wasn't the point.


Now there are many many many stuff that i can qoute in this thread but i don't have the desire to do that but i can take one quick example :

Here is what SeekeroftheTree wrote earlier:
"Just say you like the U.S. and want to come here. Don't say that because of the war, hungry kids, natural disasters you and your family are going through great hardship so you want to leave."

If people are actually going to the U.S truly and genuinely because of these stuff , how on earth would them saying that be sugar-coating ?
Everyone likes the U.S because it rocks ,ofcourse . But that is/was not the point.



There is actually no way to know whether most IMGs are applying for refugee status or not ( Where did you get that sort of statistics from ) ?
And whether they apply or not is a totally different matter( Not everyone fleeing from these stuff can actually prove it but it doesn't mean he/she is lying either ).

You might be leaving an OK life in your home country .... but it might not be the case with many others.

Generalizing is not good.

And for the dude with the "efforts gone in vain" : Man , my earlier reply to you literally went in vain as you made it crystal clear that you hadn't even read the thread .

I thought about it again, it's just pointless to beat this dead donkey any further. I hate arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

oversaturation is the first reason I guess? 50% of the ethnic minorities in the UK are of indian and pakistani origin.
second reason is pakistani boys have a distinct way of articulating their "feelings". (not saying this in a condescending way, have quite a lot of classmates and friends in medschool of pakistani origin)
well...british women arent really worth the effort anyway (not saying this because of hurt feelings haha)

My apologies on the behalf of Paki guys...we can be a bit rough with our pickup methods. I completely understand what you mean with that one. Swedes it is!

 

[bbydoc]

I thought about it again, it's just pointless to beat this dead donkey any further. I hate arguing for the sake of arguing.

👍

 

[redcard]

I thought about it again, it's just pointless to beat this dead donkey any further. I hate arguing for the sake of arguing.

Totally true .👍

But last time i checked it was a horse .😉

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

Totally true .👍

But last time i checked it was a horse .😉

I get sad everytime I meet someone who doesn't have a sense of humor. I bet the whole thing about bikini clad girls still hasn't sunk in has it?

 

[redcard]

I get sad everytime I meet someone who doesn't have a sense of humor. I bet the whole thing about bikini clad girls still hasn't sunk in has it?

😉
(That was the second wink by the way , just in case you missed the first one)


Do i need to write the definition of a wink as well ? 😛

 

[event horizon]

The point of the "hot-girls idiom" that i qouted was to say that if someone says that he/she is in the U.S because they are escaping wars,discrimination ...etc.that doesn't mean that they are sugar-coating stuff i.e lying .

There is no one argueing whether the U.S rocks or not and the fact that there is a better life standard in general (i think that i already said that like a week ago).but that wasn't the point.


Now there are many many many stuff that i can qoute in this thread but i don't have the desire to do that but i can take one quick example :

Here is what SeekeroftheTree wrote earlier:
"Just say you like the U.S. and want to come here. Don't say that because of the war, hungry kids, natural disasters you and your family are going through great hardship so you want to leave."

If people are actually going to the U.S truly and genuinely because of these stuff , how on earth would them saying that be sugar-coating ?
Everyone likes the U.S because it rocks ,ofcourse . But that is/was not the point.



There is actually no way to know whether most IMGs are applying for refugee status or not ( Where did you get that sort of statistics from ) ?
And whether they apply or not is a totally different matter( Not everyone fleeing from these stuff can actually prove it but it doesn't mean he/she is lying either ).

You might be leaving an OK life in your home country .... but it might not be the case with many others.

Generalizing is not good.

And for the dude with the "efforts gone in vain" : Man , my earlier reply to you literally went in vain as you made it crystal clear that you hadn't even read the thread .

You may be right, but logic tells me you're probably wrong. If you factor in the necessary conditions for an IMG to match successfully - an adequate medical education, thousands of dollars spent on the USMLE exams, international travel, interviews around the US, visa processing, etc. - you will realize that such opportunities are highly unlikely to be available to average residents of war-torn, anarchic areas like Sudan or totalitarian regimes like North Korea.

Take my country, for example. We are predominantly Roman Catholic, and our legislators routinely and intentionally overlook the fact that the separation of Church and State is mandated in our constitution. I am a gay atheist, so issues of reproductive health and secularism are particularly important to me. It seems like the tide is turning in my country, but too slowly for comfort. Ironically, Spain, the country that subjugated us for more than 400 years and the reason for our prudish cultural values, has already legalized both divorce and gay marriage.

But does this mean that I am feeling oppressed and would like to "flee" to the US for this reason? Not at all. I'm lucky that the people important to me - my friends and family, and people I interact with on a regular basis - are all perfectly reasonable and my sexuality and lack of religious beliefs are rarely an issue. And I'm sure that in certain areas of the United States there are places where I'd experience far more oppression, possibly racial discrimination, and even real physical danger. If I were offered financial compensation in my home country equal to what I would get by training and practicing in the US, why should I go to all the trouble of spending thousands of dollars, adjusting to a different culture, and leaving my friends and loved ones behind? It wouldn't make any sense.

No one else on this thread denies that there are people who want to leave their countries to escape terrible conditions. No one is trying to sugar-coat anything. All we're saying is that most IMGs who have the resources and opportunities to match successfully in the US are most likely not leaving out of fear, and instead are simply attracted by the chance to earn more money and have more personal freedom and enjoyment. And that's perfectly all right.

 

[redcard]

You may be right, but logic tells me you're probably wrong. If you factor in the necessary conditions for an IMG to match successfully - an adequate medical education, thousands of dollars spent on the USMLE exams, international travel, interviews around the US, visa processing, etc. - you will realize that such opportunities are highly unlikely to be available to average residents of war-torn, anarchic areas like Sudan or totalitarian regimes like North Korea.

Take my country, for example. We are predominantly Roman Catholic, and our legislators routinely and intentionally overlook the fact that the separation of Church and State is mandated in our constitution. I am a gay atheist, so issues of reproductive health and secularism are particularly important to me. It seems like the tide is turning in my country, but too slowly for comfort. Ironically, Spain, the country that subjugated us for more than 400 years and the reason for our prudish cultural values, has already legalized both divorce and gay marriage.

But does this mean that I am feeling oppressed and would like to "flee" to the US for this reason? Not at all. I'm lucky that the people important to me - my friends and family, and people I interact with on a regular basis - are all perfectly reasonable and my sexuality and lack of religious beliefs are rarely an issue. And I'm sure that in certain areas of the United States there are places where I'd experience far more oppression, possibly racial discrimination, and even real physical danger. If I were offered financial compensation in my home country equal to what I would get by training and practicing in the US, why should I go to all the trouble of spending thousands of dollars, adjusting to a different culture, and leaving my friends and loved ones behind? It wouldn't make any sense.

No one else on this thread denies that there are people who want to leave their countries to escape terrible conditions. No one is trying to sugar-coat anything. All we're saying is that most IMGs who have the resources and opportunities to match successfully in the US are most likely not leaving out of fear, and instead are simply attracted by the chance to earn more money and have more personal freedom and enjoyment. And that's perfectly all right.

I just tried to post a very length reply..... but it didn't work and i lost all of that reply...... So i guess that was the spirit of Seeker's dead donkey telling me to stop beating.

So i'm just gonna make a real quick reply here.

USMLE cost can vary widely depending on your preparation.(many are just satisfied with few books) no NBME/UWORLD/KAPLAN ...
Many get second jobs while preparing for the steps in the U.S

There are many countries where the tide of human rights won't turn any time soon, heck there are many where the tide would NEVER turn (in many countries people get executed/threatened/harassed only for being gay and the same thing in many other countries just for being an atheist not to mention what would happen if one were both) and that's how the government treat them "officially" so you can imagine how the population/community would treat them.

U.S rocks because of freedom,human rights,money,better life standards ..etc. and many seek it for example "just for the money".
But many others have other reasons beside that and those people should not be ignored by making them a minority (because they are not).

Talking about your own country ,your own financial status,your countries justice/human rights system doesn't apply to everyone (and it doesn't apply to "most of them" as well)

Just because one left an OK life behind , doesn't mean that most of the others left the same.

 

[event horizon]

I just tried to post a very length reply..... but it didn't work and i lost all of that reply...... So i guess that was the spirit of Seeker's dead donkey telling me to stop beating.

So i'm just gonna make a real quick reply here.

USMLE cost can vary widely depending on your preparation.(many are just satisfied with few books) no NBME/UWORLD/KAPLAN ...
Many get second jobs while preparing for the steps in the U.S

There are many countries where the tide of human rights won't turn any time soon, heck there are many where the tide would NEVER turn (in many countries people get executed/threatened/harassed only for being gay and the same thing in many other countries just for being an atheist not to mention what would happen if one were both) and that's how the government treat them "officially" so you can imagine how the population/community would treat them.

U.S rocks because of freedom,human rights,money,better life standards ..etc. and many seek it for example "just for the money".
But many others have other reasons beside that and those people should not be ignored by making them a minority (because they are not).

Talking about your own country ,your own financial status,your countries justice/human rights system doesn't apply to everyone (and it doesn't apply to "most of them" as well)

Just because one left an OK life behind , doesn't mean that most of the others left the same.

Again, you may be right. All I'm using to make my point is logic, and to answer your comment about cost - even if you don't use any review materials, the exams themselves already cost a small fortune. In the Asia testing region, Step 1 = $920, CK = $935, and for everyone CS = $1355 and Step 3 = $780. And in order for you to actually get to the US to obtain a second job there, you would have to spend thousands more. If you were trying to escape war, famine, or an imminent threat to your life, obtaining a residency position in the US would be an extremely daunting task.

Just out of curiosity - are you yourself an IMG? And do you actually have any evidence to show that most IMGs really are in fact escaping war/disaster/persecution in their home countries? I'd be very interested to find out.

 

[redcard]

Again, you may be right. All I'm using to make my point is logic, and to answer your comment about cost - even if you don't use any review materials, the exams themselves already cost a small fortune. In the Asia testing region, Step 1 = $920, CK = $935, and for everyone CS = $1355 and Step 3 = $780. And in order for you to actually get to the US to obtain a second job there, you would have to spend thousands more. If you were trying to escape war, famine, or an imminent threat to your life, obtaining a residency position in the US would be an extremely daunting task.

Just out of curiosity - are you yourself an IMG? And do you actually have any evidence to show that most IMGs really are in fact escaping war/disaster/persecution in their home countries? I'd be very interested to find out.

And how would that sort of evidence look like? Do you have such evidence to prove otherwise?
I used my logic as you used yours.

 

[event horizon]

And how would that sort of evidence look like? Do you have such evidence to prove otherwise?
I used my logic as you used yours.

Ah, I see. Something like statistics on the types of visas obtained by IMGs, or surveys done documenting the relative number of IMGs who left their home countries due to your stated reasons. You seemed so confident in your assertions that I thought the data had to be there to back it up. As it happens I think my reasoning is superior to yours, but of course I could still be wrong 😉

 

[redcard]

Ah, I see. Something like statistics on the types of visas obtained by IMGs, or surveys done documenting the relative number of IMGs who left their home countries due to your stated reasons. You seemed so confident in your assertions that I thought the data had to be there to back it up. As it happens I think my reasoning is superior to yours, but of course I could still be wrong 😉

Here is what i wrote in one of my earlier replies :

There is actually no way to know whether most IMGs are applying for refugee status or not ( Where did you get that sort of statistics from ) ?
And whether they apply or not is a totally different matter( Not everyone fleeing from these stuff can actually prove it but it doesn't mean he/she is lying either ).

I think my reasoning is superior to yours, but of course I could still be wrong 😉

I pretty sure that you know that i could just say the same.😉

 

[event horizon]

Here is what i wrote in one of my earlier replies :










I pretty sure that you know that i could just say the same.😉

If you think there is no valid way to verify your assertions, why hold such strong opinions? I personally think an anonymous survey would accomplish the job nicely, given a big enough and appropriately representative sample. But I'm too lazy to take the extra step of actually looking up the data, or doing my own survey.

And in this case, a sample size of 2 countries - mine and bbydoc's, as there's no reason to think Filipino or British IMGs would wish to work in the US for reasons you mentioned - is far better than relying solely on the idle ruminations of someone who does not share any similar experience. 😉

 

[redcard]

If you think there is no valid way to verify your assertions, why hold such strong opinions? I personally think an anonymous survey would accomplish the job nicely, given a big enough and appropriately representative sample. But I'm too lazy to take the extra step of actually looking up the data, or doing my own survey.

And in this case, a sample size of 2 countries - mine and bbydoc's, as there's no reason to think Filipino or British IMGs would wish to work in the US for reasons you mentioned - is far better than relying solely on the idle ruminations of someone who does not share any similar experience. 😉

Only that neither British nor Filipino IMGs makes the majority in that group.

You know that we were talking about third world countries ,right? ((british and filipino , really??))


And what about all those other people who replied in this thread ? (apart from Seeker who seemed to be living in a fairy tail and he doesn't really qualify for your sample/survey either).

I get the feeling that your sample/survey wasn't really completely impartial 😉

 

[redcard]

is far better than relying solely on the idle ruminations of someone who does not share any similar experience. 😉

Yeah , I'm just a little kid who doesn't have any clue what he is talking about (neither does anyone who doesn't share your opinions , i guess)... heck i'm not even a med. ?

Happy mate 😉 ?

 

[event horizon]

Only that neither British nor Filipino IMGs makes the majority in that group.

You know that we were talking about third world countries ,right? ((british and filipino , really??))


And what about all those other people who replied in this thread ? (apart from Seeker who seemed to be living in a fairy tail and he doesn't really qualify for your sample/survey either).

I get the feeling that your sample/survey wasn't really completely impartial 😉

You never mentioned that you were only referring to third world countries (check your previous posts). IMGs are generally lumped together indiscriminately as a group and I simply followed that convention.

The Philippines is definitely third world. This is common knowledge. Also we are the third largest exporter of doctors to the US after India and Pakistan.

After reviewing all the posts in this thread, not once was it mentioned that IMGs fled their home countries due to war, natural disasters, famine, discrimination, or what have you.

It was mentioned that poverty is rampant in India and Pakistan - which only strengthens my contention that our motivations are mainly economic.

😉

 

[event horizon]

Yeah , I'm just a little kid who doesn't have any clue what he is talking about (neither does anyone who doesn't share your opinions , i guess)... heck i'm not even a med. ?

Happy mate 😉 ?

I'm simply assuming that unlike me, you are not an IMG, and therefore do not have any personal experience to back up your idle opinions.

😉

 

[redcard]

After reviewing all the posts in this thread, not once was it mentioned that IMGs fled their home countries due to war, natural disasters, famine, discrimination, or what have you.

😱
Now i'm not going to quote all the posts but here is the first reply i did (just to prove you wrong)

How about the promise of no war , better life standard , freedom of speech ....etc ? any of that available ?

...........................................

I'm simply assuming that unlike me, you are not an IMG, and therefore do not have any personal experience to back up your idle opinions.

😉

You assume many things mate , you already made that clear earlier , Now i'm not gonna confirm nor deny your assumptions but here are some of the ways on how one could have that "Personal exprience"

One could be an IMG (from one of those countries),One could have a family member/members , One could have friends , One could have worked as a volunteer , One could have been to these countries , One could have met real people with real tragedies ... and the list goes on and on.

Only because one doesn't share your opinions ,doesn't make his/her opinions idle ...

Or you know what ,just nevermind, you win , congratulations ! 😉

I'm done beating that dead horse .

 

[event horizon]

I should have been more specific: After reviewing all the posts in this thread, not once was it mentioned by anyone other than you that IMGs fled their home countries due to war, natural disasters, famine, discrimination, or what have you.

😉

Don't take this too seriously. I'm not out to personally injure anyone and I don't think you are either. But in order for a meaningful exchange to take place it generally makes sense to lay down your cards and explain why you believe such a thing is true, rather than expect other people to blindly believe your assertions simply because you have some mysterious experiences or evidence you're not willing to share. That borders on pointless agitation.

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

]...from Seeker...in a fairy tail...I get the feeling...completely😉

I think someone has a crush on me. I've never been mentioned by someone so many times before in a thread. I just don't feel the same way Redcard. By the way nice dodging Event Horizon's question about what is your status/experience to support these claims. I think I smell a poser mate😉

Event, you're the man. You could so be my wingman any day.

 

[redcard]

I should have been more specific: After reviewing all the posts in this thread, not once was it mentioned by anyone other than you that IMGs fled their home countries due to war, natural disasters, famine, discrimination, or what have you.

😉

Don't take this too seriously. I'm not out to personally injure anyone and I don't think you are either. But in order for a meaningful exchange to take place it generally makes sense to lay down your cards and explain why you believe such a thing is true, rather than expect other people to blindly believe your assertions simply because you have some mysterious experiences or evidence you're not willing to share. That borders on pointless agitation.

You told your personal experience and i took your word for it (with no evidence whatsoever) ...... Whether you take my word for what i think/said is totally up to you .

You explained with your logic and i answered you with mine ... you can't force me to accept yours and i can't force you to accept mine.

But nevertheless i hadn't even once called your opinions "idle" ... and that's the big difference between you and me .

 

[redcard]

By the way nice dodging Event Horizon's question about what is your status/experience to support these claims. I think I smell a poser mate😉

You regard all things i wrote as claims .... How would sharing my status/experience not be something i claim as well ? You see the irony !

And as i wrote earlier ... I'm just a little kid who doesn't have any clue what he is talking about .... and apparently i'm a poser.

(My god and you are not even an IMG and you hadn't even lived in your home country for a couple of years now if i recall right from what you wrote earlier) .... how possibly would anything i write/claim be worse than that ?? in order for it to be classified as a pose ?? What a joke !?

Beside i didn't see any rules obliging people to share their experience/status over the internet to support their claims ( never to mention that this shared experience/status would still be a claim as well ).

I think someone has a crush on me. I've never been mentioned by someone so many times before in a thread. I just don't feel the same way Redcard.

Is that another way to express your sense of humor? (In that case you need to work on your sense of humor) and i'm only saying this because you wrote earlier that you get sad when people don't get your sense of humor.

First of all , good job making up that delusional quote.

Second i mentioned your name twice only (and i think it was clear that it wasn't a complimentary mention)..... (Please tell me that you know that when people quote your reply ,, they are like answering you and not trying to mention your name! ).

Speaking of words mentioned .... you know how many times you mentioned hot girls , bikini , women ,dating ,clothes(skimpy),wingman , bla bla bla and other words in that fashion ....And you wrote that you don't want to be classified as horny !!👍

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

You regard all things i wrote as claims .... How would sharing my status/experience not be something i claim as well ? You see the irony !

And as i wrote earlier ... I'm just a little kid who doesn't have any clue what he is talking about .... and apparently i'm a poser.

(My god and you are not even an IMG and you hadn't even lived in your home country for a couple of years now if i recall right from what you wrote earlier) .... how possibly would anything i write/claim be worse than that ?? in order for it to be classified as a pose ?? What a joke !?

Beside i didn't see any rules obliging people to share their experience/status over the internet to support their claims ( never to mention that this shared experience/status would still be a claim as well ).






Is that another way to express your sense of humor? (In that case you need to work on your sense of humor) and i'm only saying this because you wrote earlier that you get sad when people don't get your sense of humor.

First of all , good job making up that delusional quote.

Second i mentioned your name twice only (and i think it was clear that it wasn't a complimentary mention)..... (Please tell me that you know that when people quote your reply ,, they are like answering you and not trying to mention your name! ).

Speaking of words mentioned .... you know how many times you mentioned hot girls , bikini , women ,dating ,clothes(skimpy),wingman , bla bla bla and other words in that fashion ....And you wrote that you don't want to be classified as horny !!👍

Lol, I'm getting under your skin. I love it. 😍. I wanna see how much more time I can get you to waste on defending yourself to me...a random guy on the internet who likes hot girls in bikinis.

 

[redcard]

Lol, I'm getting under your skin. I love it. 😍. I wanna see how much more time I can get you to waste on defending yourself to me...a random guy on the internet who likes hot girls in bikinis.

Good for you

 

[event horizon]

You regard all things i wrote as claims .... How would sharing my status/experience not be something i claim as well ? You see the irony !

When you post repeatedly on an anonymous online forum and try to convince people on a thread that what you believe is right, you should take the default attitude that people are being honest and are not trying to mess with you. If you treat all empirical evidence as claims that you wish to disbelieve then what is the point of posting on this thread? You see the irony?

All you had to offer was your faulty reasoning and I offered mine. In some weird multicultural, relativistic universe there might be some value in saying "you know what, my truth is right and your truth is completely contradictory but it's also right." Unfortunately, that's not the universe we inhabit.

I pointed out personal experience which does have some value as IMGs from my country share the same general situation (of course most of us are not gay atheists, but none of us are fleeing from any disasters either). I also pointed out that other people's posts on this thread support my claim.

You, on the other hand, offered nothing except the spectacular claim that most IMGs are refugees from their home countries, regardless of whether they apply for refugee status or not or whether they can prove it. And as evidence you offer not data from the real world, but some mysterious knowledge that you seem all too reluctant to share. You don't actually have to share your personal experiences. You did know that, didn't you? But what you had to do was share some real evidence. And claiming mysteriously that "One could be an IMG (from one of those countries),One could have a family member/members , One could have friends , One could have worked as a volunteer , One could have been to these countries , One could have met real people with real tragedies ... and the list goes on and on." does not constitute evidence under anyone's sane definitions. Unfortunately if all you have to back up your opinions is hot air then we are fully justified in calling them idle.

Now of course you can choose to believe that I was merely lying all this time to play a big joke on you... that's entirely up to you. But if you do that, think about why you would keep on replying to this thread. I can see only 2 possibilities: 1. You are a troll. 2. Your intelligence is under a level I would prefer to interact with.

Seeker, this was fun. I think our job here is done.

😉

 

[SeekerOfTheTree]

When you post repeatedly on an anonymous online forum and try to convince people on a thread that what you believe is right, you should take the default attitude that people are being honest and are not trying to mess with you. If you treat all empirical evidence as claims that you wish to disbelieve then what is the point of posting on this thread? You see the irony?

All you had to offer was your faulty reasoning and I offered mine. In some weird multicultural, relativistic universe there might be some value in saying "you know what, my truth is right and your truth is completely contradictory but it's also right." Unfortunately, that's not the universe we inhabit.

I pointed out personal experience which does have some value as IMGs from my country share the same general situation (of course most of us are not gay atheists, but none of us are fleeing from any disasters either). I also pointed out that other people's posts on this thread support my claim.

You, on the other hand, offered nothing except the spectacular claim that most IMGs are refugees from their home countries, regardless of whether they apply for refugee status or not or whether they can prove it. And as evidence you offer not data from the real world, but some mysterious knowledge that you seem all too reluctant to share. You don't actually have to share your personal experiences. You did know that, didn't you? But what you had to do was share some real evidence. And claiming mysteriously that "One could be an IMG (from one of those countries),One could have a family member/members , One could have friends , One could have worked as a volunteer , One could have been to these countries , One could have met real people with real tragedies ... and the list goes on and on." does not constitute evidence under anyone's sane definitions. Unfortunately if all you have to back up your opinions is hot air then we are fully justified in calling them idle.

Now of course you can choose to believe that I was merely lying all this time to play a big joke on you... that's entirely up to you. But if you do that, think about why you would keep on replying to this thread. I can see only 2 possibilities: 1. You are a troll. 2. Your intelligence is under a level I would prefer to interact with.

Seeker, this was fun. I think our job here is done.

😉

Lol, I agree man. I hope we have helped some poor soul out there.

 

[redcard]

When you post repeatedly on an anonymous online forum and try to convince people on a thread that what you believe is right, you should take the default attitude that people are being honest and are not trying to mess with you. If you treat all empirical evidence as claims that you wish to disbelieve then what is the point of posting on this thread? You see the irony?

😱

2. Your intelligence is under a level I would prefer to interact with.

Yep , you are right ...My level of intelligence is way way way under yours.

I see how intelligent you are (especially with that first quote). 👍

 

[jfgavina]

Let's talk about the real purpose of this thread!

IMGs: come on and tell us what is your situation!!

I'll start:

1. Average 4th year student from the biggest medical school in portugal
2. Started in march, one read in goljan, HY physio and cmmrs
3. First read in FA
4. UW 58% done 53% correct answers
5. ---------------------------------
6. Examination in 27th october
7. Better education, US lifestyle.

So this is:
1. Current status
2. Miscellaneous study facts
3. FA status
4. UW status
5. S-A exams (nbme, uwsa) and other question banks
6. time of examination
7. reasons to go to us

 

[combat]

lol...can't believe this forum is still going strong. I agree less IMG's better for US med students, because out spots are taken when it is time for residency.

 

[Chalo1986]

Old thread is old but I never followed up with this one, eventhorizon and seekerofthetree allthough you used different words than me, I suppose hot girls really is another (better) way of saying it all comes down to enjoying freedom in America
I'm also looking to iv this year mostly in chicago and ny so who knows maybe we will cross paths, its good to know both you guys did well on Step 1, wish you all the best
Just one small thought.. I'm pretty sure you can get adobo here in the States, I use it all the time when doing bbq..