what is academic medicine?

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sorry, i have posted this question before, but i am very curious as to what exactly academic medicine entails. does anyone know where i can get more information on this field? for example, does someone who enters this field apply for a residency or go straight to teaching? thanks!
 
Go look at any major university with a med school that offers an MD/PhD program. Many have you do your first two MD science years, then go complete your PhD, then come back for clinicals and on to residency. An excellent physician friend of mine has an MD/PhD (though his is a bit unusual, PhD in philosophy with a concentration in ethics) but is a practicing physician. His patient load is somewhat light but he does policy writing and ethics boards works as well, so please realize that not all MD/PhDs do all research and teaching.

Part of PhD work is graduate assisting in the program you're in, which often involves working with and teaching undergrads. Once the program is complete, whether or not you teach depends more on you than on the program. You still have to finish the MD... not everyone does, though (and some never do residency). I think looking at a few schools' programs will give you a better idea, especially for PhDs in neuroscience, genetics, etc...
 
Simply

Academic medicine is a lot of things. If you are pushing the frontiers of science and medicine you are doing academic medicine. If you are doing private practice where you just see patients, you are not doing academic medicine. If you are working for a major teaching/research hospital and doing drug studies, cerating trangenic mice, preparing solutions and doing PCRs, Westerns Northerns and etc, then you are doing academic medicine.

It is alot of fields but one thing that is incommon is that you must puplish something somewhere.

Arti
 
academic docs come in 3 major flavors (and many permutations thereof)

1) docs who are md/phd types (though many do not have PhD's incidentally) who work on lab type basic science research

2) docs who work full time in one of the teaching hospitals affiliated with the school
as attending physicians

3) docs whp have a private practice, but admit and see patients at the university hopsitals/clinics in conjunction with the residents

to join academia usually one does the following
1) attend a prestigious academic type residency, for it is truly a club
2) publish
3) publish
4) publish

might I also add that publishing is an excellent addition to ones resume
 
As near as I can tell, having worked in a medical school for two years now (leaving next Thursday for med school!), academic medicine can offer many pluses and minuses.

My experience has been with pulmonary and critical care docs who have gone into academic medicine via a fellowship which entails laboratory research. Once this is accomplished, the board certifications for pulmonary and critical care medicine are acheived, and the physician is eligible to become a primary investigator or an attending at a teaching hospital who oversees fellows, residents and med students.

Pluses include being able to go, as I often heard quipped, "from the bedside to the bench and back to the bedside," doing research which can help flesh out the mechanics of disease and physiology in the lab and gaining a better feel for management of patient care. Also, contributing to the welfare of newcomers to the field (if you're a responsible academic physician)can be very rewarding.

A big minus is that, unless one gains very large grants and can therefore jockey for a sweeter deal from the school one is affiliated with, salaries are far from competitive with those of private practitioners. I have heard many a disgruntled doc proclaim he "should just go into private practice." While this is always uttered in lower moments (balanced by the rewarding moments), it is a real consideration to make: can you cope with having gone through the training process of seven to ten years only to secure a modest salary? If the answer is yes, then that hurdle will not impede your progress, but if the answer is no, then serious considerations should be given to private practice.

Another drawback, as with any laboratory investigation track, is the potential for failure to acheive. In an academic setting, often the p.i. who is a physician will go "on service" (be an attending or consultant) for a month or two each year. Research can suffer (especially in the case of a budding p.i. who has a modest lab to begin with) from these extended absences.

I've had several years of laboratory work and I personally feel that I would rather be in private practice. I might change my mind later on down the line, but right now I cannot see myself making the time commitment to maintain a practice AND a laboratory in addition to my plans for a family.

Hope my comments are helpful. Also, I acknowledge that there are, as above listed, many types of academic physicians out there. My comments are limited to my own experience.
 
thanks to everyone who wrote in, your comments have been very interesting. i know it is a little early to make any kind of decision on where in medicine i would like to end up, but my interests (right now) lie in infectious disease, particularly high risk transmittable diseases such as A.I.D.S. i am also moderately interested in teaching at a med school, and/or being involved in administration. of course, i figured that salaries in these positions would not be at the levels of private clinical practitioners, although i may choose the MD/PhD route which could possibly leave me without such a huge debt. anyway, thanks again guys!
 
Academics are people who are yet to realize that medicine, like any other field, is a business. Afraid of the real world, they cloister themselves in huge University and convince themselves they like the pursuit of knowledge.
 
well, that last reply was just brilliant : )

actually, academic docs are the "attending" physicians that teach the residents and 3rd and 4th year med students. They also publish papers, sometimes lecture, and see patients. They are all faculty at whichever med school is affiliated with their hospital.
 
Originally posted by 50Cent
Academics are people who are yet to realize that medicine, like any other field, is a business. Afraid of the real world, they cloister themselves in huge University and convince themselves they like the pursuit of knowledge.

🙄

Sounds like someone has a personal vendetta. Perhaps you would prefer to train at ITT Medical School then?
 
Originally posted by 50Cent
Academics are people who are yet to realize that medicine, like any other field, is a business. Afraid of the real world, they cloister themselves in huge University and convince themselves they like the pursuit of knowledge.

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Most people will tell you that the three parts of academic medicine are research, teaching, and patient care -- not necessarily split up equally, and not necessarily in that order. You don't have to do exclusively basic science lab work if you are a med school professor -- you can do clinical research where you are working with new drug trials, epidemiology studies, etc. I don't think you have to have your own lab, although everyone has to publish and get grants. It's also true that salaries in academia are often lower, but the universities give standard benefits (health insurance) as well as other things you would have to pay for on your own if you were in private practice -- like office space, staff (nurses, secretaries), supplies/equipment, and often travel expenses (for conferences) and so forth. When you add all that up, academics may come a little closer to private practice (although maybe not if you are a Celebrity Dermatologist or something). You can also get paid for speaking at conferences, writing book chapters, and other academic work.

By the way 50 cent, i guess in your "real world," where there are no academic physicians, you would have just memorized Harrison's on your own and hung out your shingle? If you don't like the pursuit of knowledge, what are you doing in med school? Since you're so into business, you should know that there are lots of easier ways to make money right now:meanie:
 
Originally posted by pikachu
By the way 50 cent, i guess in your "real world," where there are no academic physicians, you would have just memorized Harrison's on your own and hung out your shingle?

Actually in 50 cent's world there would be no Harrison's, because the information in it is based on clinical and basic science RESEARCH. Of which there would be none without academic physicians "convincing themselves they like the pursuit of knowledge".

MC
 
Does anyone know if you can just practice, teach, and write, without doing research? Also, do you have to be an MD/PhD?
 
Scully, absolutely, lots of academic physicians are doing exactly that. They are usually on a "teaching" track and the writing they do are usually journal reviews or book chapters if they're not doing any original research.

Casey
 
Harrison's isn't the result of the pursuit of knowledge. Knowledge is being pursued in all fields and I admire people who enjoy that.

But Harrison's is the result of a business savy publisher or physician recognizing a market for a consolidated source of knowledge. Why do you think you pay so much for it? thats the real world, not 50cent's world.
 
Originally posted by 50Cent
Harrison's isn't the result of the pursuit of knowledge. Knowledge is being pursued in all fields and I admire people who enjoy that.

But Harrison's is the result of a business savy publisher or physician recognizing a market for a consolidated source of knowledge. Why do you think you pay so much for it? thats the real world, not 50cent's world.

Harrison's the book is a result of business, much as Netter's book is also. However the information contained within those textbooks is derived by academics for the most part. The publishers didnt go through the differentials, academics who have spent years teaching and studying did.
 
the thing is..you really don't have to decide now. you may still not even be sure when you are in residency.
 
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