What is different about Mayo Medical school?

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Can someone explain why the rankings for Mayo are so high? I know Mayo is the leading hospital in the country and I would expect the US News rankings to reflect that. Can someone explain this to me? Thank you!

 

[theonlytycrane]

I love mayonnaise so I thought it would be a good fit.

 

[YayPudding]

It's a versatile spread commonly used in salads, sandwiches and is considered a delicacy in some regions.

 

[libertyyne]

Only egg-yolk based school.

 

[YayPudding]

Only egg-yolk based school.

Dude, he asked a serious question. This is no yolking matter.

Fact is, Mayo is an eggcellent school. I hear their curriculum won't leave your brain feeling scrambled.

 

[Lawpy]

Can someone explain why the rankings for Mayo are so high? I know Mayo is the leading hospital in the country and I would expect the US News rankings to reflect that. Can someone explain this to me? Thank you!

Because Spongebob.

 

[flapjack3d]

Are you asking why the med school is so revered or the hospital?

The hospital is no doubt one of the best, if not the best, in the world. The med school's ranking is probably deflated because rankings are biased towards university affiliated schools, but even then, everyone (n=4) I've talked to who has either gone to mayo medical school or is on faculty there has recommended against going there.

 

[Shirafune]

Are you asking why the med school is so revered or the hospital?

The hospital is no doubt one of the best, if not the best, in the world. The med school's ranking is probably deflated because rankings are biased towards university affiliated schools, but even then, everyone (n=4) I've talked to who has either gone to mayo medical school or is on faculty there has recommended against going there.

Can you elaborate on why people have recommended against going to MMS?

 

[Endoxifen]

This thread is wonderful

 

[ChrisMack390]

Are you asking why the med school is so revered or the hospital?

The hospital is no doubt one of the best, if not the best, in the world. The med school's ranking is probably deflated because rankings are biased towards university affiliated schools, but even then, everyone (n=4) I've talked to who has either gone to mayo medical school or is on faculty there has recommended against going there.

I'd be interested in this anecdata as well.....

 

[LizzyM]

These could be pros or cons depending on your perspective:

It is a small school with a small student body (208 vs 710 at Harvard and 472 at Hopkins)
It is in Rochester Minnesota, population ~112,000
It is in a county that is not very diverse (Non-hispanic White, 90%)
Winters are cold; in January the average high is 23.6 and the average low 7.7.
It is not affiliated with a university.

 

[Mad Jack]

These could be pros or cons depending on your perspective:

It is a small school with a small student body (208 vs 710 at Harvard and 472 at Hopkins)
It is in Rochester Minnesota, population ~112,000
It is in a county that is not very diverse (Non-hispanic White, 90%)
Winters are cold; in January the average high is 23.6 and the average low 7.7.
It is not affiliated with a university.

Eh, the cold isn't so bad. Keeps the students from getting spoiled. But if you're looking for diversity, the community could basically be described as off-white, unfortunately, and the Rochester area may be spread a bit too thin for most people's liking. There may not be a large student body, but you don't really need a whole lot of Mayo to go around with a the relatively small local population when compared with places like Boston and Baltimore.

 

[LizzyM]

Eh, the cold isn't so bad. Keeps the students from getting spoiled. But if you're looking for diversity, the community could basically be described as off-white, unfortunately, and the Rochester area may be spread a bit too thin for most people's liking. There may not be a large student body, but you don't really need a whole lot of Mayo to go around with a the relatively small local population when compared with places like Boston and Baltimore.

As I said, the cold, the size and so forth could be a plus or a minus depending on what you like. The school may be "right sized" for the population served by its affiliated medical centers.

 

[ChrisMack390]

@LizzyM - 4 of 5 of your possible complaints are solved by the new Mayo campus in Arizona



...mayo if youre reading this please let me in look im even plugging your fancy new campus...

 

[DrBowtie]

@LizzyM - 4 of 5 of your possible complaints are solved by the new Mayo campus in Arizona



...mayo if youre reading this please let me in look im even plugging your fancy new campus...

That place is referred to as Miracle Whip by some in the residency forums.

 

[Goro]

Then you have your choice of either freezing to death in MN, or broiling to death in AZ. Yeah, it's a dry heat, but so's your oven. For the former, I'll quote Garrison Keillor: "In Minnesota, winter makes a serious attempt to kill you."

@LizzyM - 4 of 5 of your possible complaints are solved by the new Mayo campus in Arizona

...mayo if youre reading this please let me in look im even plugging your fancy new campus...

 

[libertyyne]

Then you have your choice of either freezing to death in MN, or broiling to death in AZ. Yeah, it's a dry heat, but so's your oven. For the former, I'll quote Garrison Keillor: "In Minnesota, winter makes a serious attempt to kill you."

Yeah but you have all that evidence based quality medicine to keep you warm in the Winters and refreshed in the summers.

 

[ChrisMack390]

Then you have your choice of either freezing to death in MN, or broiling to death in AZ. Yeah, it's a dry heat, but so's your oven. For the former, I'll quote Garrison Keillor: "In Minnesota, winter makes a serious attempt to kill you."

I'm ready for the broiling!

 

[Chromium Surfer]

If I am not mistaken, Mayo is a huge refererral center. They deal with a some of the most complex medial cases. Also due to the small class size, the whole medical school invests heavily in the students and more resources can be devoted to each student.

 

[Mad Jack]

As I said, the cold, the size and so forth could be a plus or a minus depending on what you like. The school may be "right sized" for the population served by its affiliated medical centers.

Oh, I was really just trying to work in as many allusions to mayonnaise as I could in one reply- it was very tongue-in-cheek.

 

[Endoxifen]

Well, at this point it is time to hold the Mayo

*claps slowly as single tear slides down cheek*

 

[YayPudding]

Well, at this point it is time to hold the Mayo

 

[Endoxifen]

Besides, everyone else has to "ketch-up"

*crying intensifies*

 

[Lord Kek]

Can someone explain why the rankings for Mayo are so high? I know Mayo is the leading hospital in the country and I would expect the US News rankings to reflect that. Can someone explain this to me? Thank you!

As high as Mayo's ranking may be, it is unfortunate that it cannot be played as an instrument...

 

[FindMeOnTheLinks]

it used to be that many students received full scholarships and almost everyone received significant scholarships, but that is apparently no longer the case.


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[YayPudding]

As high as Mayo's ranking may be, it is unfortunate that it cannot be played as an instrument...

MAGA

 

[LizzyM]

Eh, the cold isn't so bad. Keeps the students from getting spoiled. But if you're looking for diversity, the community could basically be described as off-white, unfortunately, and the Rochester area may be spread a bit too thin for most people's liking. There may not be a large student body, but you don't really need a whole lot of Mayo to go around with a the relatively small local population when compared with places like Boston and Baltimore.

Whooshing sound you heard was that going right over my head. #tooliteral

 

[Goro]

Trying to sandwich in puns between advice will give us all indigestion!

I am really relishing this all

 

[Endoxifen]

I just realized how confusing my question wording is. What I meant to say is, I expected Mayo's rankings to have broken the 20s. Why hasn't it?

 

[YayPudding]

I just realized how confusing my question wording is. What I meant to say is, I expected Mayo's rankings to have broken the 20s. Why hasn't it?

Prepare for Mayo tsunami.

 

[Endoxifen]

Prepare for Mayo tsunami.

My body is ready... though my arteries my not.

 

[Dagrimsta1]

Money bro common. Everyone knows the top schools have money

 

[YayPudding]

Puts of all in sort of pickle doesnt it? I can't help it if my "rye" wit is really on a roll today. Though my comments may be a bit cheesy, I am really just buttering everybody up. Lets face, I am just a big ham

Where is the Pepto?

Lord take me now

 

[LizzyM]

I just realized how confusing my question wording is. What I meant to say is, I expected Mayo's rankings to have broken the 20s. Why hasn't it?

Let's look what goes into the ratings. NIH funding... Mayo is small and rural and doesn't pull in as many big federal grants as the big city schools. Competitiveness of the admission process: Mayo has a very small class (~52), is in a relatively remote, Northern location, and it is very picky about sending secondaries so some applicants may eschew it. Fewer applicants means a greater proportion of applicants are admitted compared with some "popular" schools. Students' undergrad GPA/MCAT: Mayo is not a number ***** but looks for interesting students who will be a good fit. There may be other things that go into the formula that disadvantage Mayo.

 

[ChrisMack390]

IMO, Mayo is actually the best medical school. They invest a ridiculous amount of resources into their students education and well being.

 

[teenagemutant]

IMO, Mayo is actually the best medical school. They invest a ridiculous amount of resources into their students education and well being.

After interviewing there and other top schools, I definitely agree with this statement.

 

[Goro]

Salty today, if not actually saucy? Some here may say that you're just full of baloney, but you are hamming it up, for sure. Hot dogging it, even, the way you're peppering us with condiment references.

I'll defer to the Big Cheese of punnery now, before our screens start melting! That's a wrap!

Puts of all in sort of pickle doesnt it? I can't help it if my "rye" wit is really on a roll today. Though my comments may be a bit cheesy, I am really just buttering everybody up. Lets face, I am just a big ham

Where is the Pepto?

 

[libertyyne]

Everyday you wake up as a mayo student DJ Khaleed is waiting to deliver this message

IMO, Mayo is actually the best medical school. They invest a ridiculous amount of resources into their students education and well being.

After interviewing there and other top schools, I definitely agree with this statement.

 

[chrisjh]

it used to be that many students received full scholarships and almost everyone received significant scholarships, but that is apparently no longer the case.


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Actually it seems everyone does receive significant aid. If I remember the MSAR correctly, average graduate debt is somewhere around 70k. Extremely low compared to most schools....

 

[libertyyne]

Actually it seems everyone does receive significant aid. If I remember the MSAR correctly, average graduate debt is somewhere around 70k. Extremely low compared to most schools....

That seems like cost of living.

 

[IlDestriero]

These could be pros or cons depending on your perspective:

It is a small school with a small student body (208 vs 710 at Harvard and 472 at Hopkins)
It is in Rochester Minnesota, population ~112,000
It is in a county that is not very diverse (Non-hispanic White, 90%)
Winters are cold; in January the average high is 23.6 and the average low 7.7.
It is not affiliated with a university.

Con
Con
Con
Con
Con


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Il Destriero

 

[teenagemutant]

Con
Con
Con
Con
Con


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Il Destriero

We got a con man/woman over here.

 

[sazerac]

I just realized how confusing my question wording is. What I meant to say is, I expected Mayo's rankings to have broken the 20s. Why hasn't it?

Wait, you really wanted Tabasco serious question in this thread?

 

[ChrisMack390]

Actually it seems everyone does receive significant aid. If I remember the MSAR correctly, average graduate debt is somewhere around 70k. Extremely low compared to most schools....

The info they gave out at the interview this year said ~68k. That is pretty incredible.

 

[absolutelynot]

The info they gave out at the interview this year said ~68k. That is pretty incredible.

I am curious to see how/if that number will change now that they will be "spreading" their financial aid amongst ~50 additional students for each of the next 4 years. Are they more generous on financial aid to the inaugural class in AZ to entice students, or does more students truly mean less money to go around?

 

[ChrisMack390]

I am curious to see how/if that number will change now that they will be "spreading" their financial aid amongst ~50 additional students for each of the next 4 years. Are they more generous on financial aid to the inaugural class in AZ to entice students, or does more students truly mean less money to go around?

Cost of living in Phoenix/Scottsdale is definitely higher than Rochester, so the avg debt will go up regardless.

That said, I expect that Mayo has secured additional funds for this purpose. I doubt they are diluting the aid they can offer in half. Part of their mission talks about producing doctors with minimal debt such that they can work in the field they love regardless of $.

 

[Mad Jack]

I just realized how confusing my question wording is. What I meant to say is, I expected Mayo's rankings to have broken the 20s. Why hasn't it?

What Mayo offers isn't for everyone. Some people quite frankly can't stand it, while others are pretty heavily in favor. Just because everyone's heard of something doesn't mean it's great for everyone.

 

[libertyyne]

I just realized how confusing my question wording is. What I meant to say is, I expected Mayo's rankings to have broken the 20s. Why hasn't it?

Protip - the US News Methodology is trash.

 

[Iwannaknow]

Also, at some point Lizzy said that a higher proportion of applicants get in because less people apply, and that's false. I think it is true that less people apply, but it literally has the lowest post interview acceptance rate of any school, and it's going to go even lower this year.

 

[Endoxifen]

Also, at some point Lizzy said that a higher proportion of applicants get in because less people apply, and that's false. I think it is true that less people apply, but it literally has the lowest post interview acceptance rate of any school, and it's going to go even lower this year.

I knew that they had an extremely low acceptance rate, but I didn't realize that it was "post-interview". Does that mean that they liberally interview students?