what is it like to be responsible for someone's life?

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i'm so excited to start the journey of becoming a physician this summer, but I'd be lying if I didn't feel scared sometimes that someone's life and health will soon(ish) be my responsibility

residents and attendings (and maybe rotating med students), did you feel ready at the beginning of med school to bear this responsibility? did it scare you at all? when was the first time that you said to yourself "oh ****, this is actually my responsibility and if I mess up, this patient could be hurt or even pass"
 
i'm so excited to start the journey of becoming a physician this summer, but I'd be lying if I didn't feel scared sometimes that someone's life and health will soon(ish) be my responsibility

residents and attendings (and maybe rotating med students), did you feel ready at the beginning of med school to bear this responsibility? did it scare you at all? when was the first time that you said to yourself "oh ****, this is actually my responsibility and if I mess up, this patient could be hurt or even pass"
Interested to see what people post
 
For me it was 1 month into CA1 year of anesthesia residency when I was left alone for the first time in a room with a completely helpless, paralyzed, and anesthetized patient. Strange feeling and I was scared. I never felt that level of responsibility before and did not experience anything like it during medical school. Took a few months to get used to it.

As a medical student and even in residency, you are never without a backstop. You are there to learn under the supervision of more experienced people.
 
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There are sleepless nights here and there, it seems when you start to drift off to sleep your brain suddenly yells "did you miss that second troponin" or "are you sure they actually have cholecystitis and not something else".

It's also humbling the first time you make a mistake and someone dies.

Always remember you'll save more people than you'll hurt and as long as you always act in the best interest of your patient you'll sleep well most nights and not get an ulcer.
 
Haven’t done it as a doctor obviously since I’m only an MS1, but I have when I was enlisted. It’s terrifying, especially when you realize there’s just so much you don’t know. I was scared I was missing something then (which is a big part of why I wanted to go to medical school), but the more I learn in med school the luckier I feel that all my patients were overall healthy. Still, I caught a couple of scary things, so I pray I didn’t miss anything.
 
It’s a feeling that should never go away. You learn to tolerate it. But in the back of your mind, you should know you are ultimately responsible for it. Good or bad, that part of the job for most fields. That’s why residency is at least 3 years and appx 10,000 hours of residency hours. (Yes this is a dig at “providers” just in case you missed it).

That being said, there are fields you aren’t directly involved or responsible for life or death decisions. There are also fields you’re more focused on patients comfort and not worried about death.

Congrats and good luck op.
 
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For me it was 1 month into CA1 year of anesthesia residency when I was left alone for the first time in a room with a completely helpless paralyzed and anesthetized patient. Strange feeling and I was scared. I never felt that level of responsibility before and did not experience anything like it during medical school. Took a few months to get used to it.

As a medical student and even in residency, you are never without a backstop. You are there to learn under the supervision of more experienced people.
Even as a med student though, you end up having serious responsibilities sprinkled through rotations. You just show up one day and are asked to do an LP, intubate, draw up deadly medications, retract/cut important structures, take a history on a critical patient, baby sit an unstable arrhythmic patient’s monitor. Even the simplest tasks can be deadly if you’re not aware of risks

I have one classmate whose first intubation led to a scary can’t intubate/can’t ventilate leading to a surgical airway during their first day on anesthesia a month into m3.

it’s pretty surreal and made me realize that depending on the field, eventually you will make a mistake/decision that contributes to someone dying. Whether it’s the decision to go to the OR, change a medication, risk of a procedure, failure to recognize a condition etc.
 
You will (or rather, should) always have a backstop.

You should never lose that feeling that your decisions may potentially harm the patient, reversibly or irreversibly.

Feels bad when mistakenly call a secondary ossification center a fracture and a kiddo gets casted ... only to be uncasted when I tell them I ****ed up. 🙁

Nothing tightens your sphincter up like having patient rupture a GDA pseudoaneurysm that you were trying to coil, immediately code and have blood pouring out of their mouth.
 
You will (or rather, should) always have a backstop.

I cover a critical access hospital in BFE as a side gig to stay sharp. I'm alone up there for 72 hours minus a FP doc in the ED. Between the two of us we are it - and as you can imagine there is a huge population of "I would rather die in BFE today than have to go to the 'city'"

It's a ton of fun, lets me practice to the absolute tippy toes of my license, and terrifying all at the same time. Kicked by a horse in the chest? Sure, I can manage rib fractures with pulmonary contusions and focal alveolar hemorrhage (as an internist...) - never mind the associated cardiac contusion.

But I agree, you'll almost always have a next step/phone a friend unless you intentionally sign up to not have one.
 
Scary as **** at first, but as with all things it becomes routine, you become dramatically more competent, and things seem less scary and familiar and more like "oh, this is another one of ______."

This is why medical training is what it is: an apprenticeship model where you receive more and more responsibility over a long period of time before striking out on your own. This is why MS3s aren't allowed to do much of anything - because it's a very serious responsibility that requires lots of exposure and experience to do well.
 
Even as a med student though, you end up having serious responsibilities sprinkled through rotations. You just show up one day and are asked to do an LP, intubate, draw up deadly medications, retract/cut important structures, take a history on a critical patient, baby sit an unstable arrhythmic patient’s monitor. Even the simplest tasks can be deadly if you’re not aware of risks

I have one classmate whose first intubation led to a scary can’t intubate/can’t ventilate leading to a surgical airway during their first day on anesthesia a month into m3.

it’s pretty surreal and made me realize that depending on the field, eventually you will make a mistake/decision that contributes to someone dying. Whether it’s the decision to go to the OR, change a medication, risk of a procedure, failure to recognize a condition etc.

We all practice with our attendings licenses, until you’re not. That’s why training is so long, because it takes a long while until you understand you are ULTIMATELY responsible for a patients life.

When you’re a student, it’s the intern who forgets to tell you something. When you’re an intern, it’s the senior resident who fails to check the critical lab in the morning. The senior resident says the attending didn’t want the renal consult, now that the kidneys are shut.

When you’re the attending and the buck stops with you. You have no one to blame.... it’s your decision and yours alone. It’s a lonely place sometimes. That’s why learn as much and do as much when you’re a resident.

My first dead patient was during my intern year. Patient could not stay still, ED wanted to clean out ED. Patient came upstairs with some provisional orders, no proper exam, nor history. She cannot provide any history and there was some questionable psych history. My senior wanted a ct of her head. For days I could not convince her. For days, no family came to visit, couldn’t get any collateral information.

Tried multiple times to send her for the scan, was sent back multiple times without getting it done. One day I even stay after hour, and went downstairs with my senior resident to give some sedation in hope that she would get knocked out enough for the scan. She didn’t. We finally decided it just cannot get done and said forget it.

One morning, I didn’t see her on my census during the morning sign out. Night team transferred her to ICU for acute deterioration of her mental status. A day or two later she was pronounced for intracranial bleed.

For years, I tell myself, it’s the family’s problem, they didn’t come see her. It’s my attendings problem, she didn’t think it was important enough to get the scan. I told my senior resident what a challenging case she was, and he couldn’t provide enough medications for her.....

I am telling you a super long winded story to also demonstrate that when something goes wrong, that can be a systemic problem and/or no ones fault. **** sometime happens, I believe I did the best that I could. I think we all did, but still not a desirable outcome.

I will always remember her. And hope I will do better for my next patient.
 
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Eh, I didn't really feel like I had much responsibility as a medical student. Residency maybe a little. When you first start as an attending though that’s when **** gets real and you start questioning everything you’re doing. As one of my favorite attendings told me: “I can always tell when you guys start moonlighting.... everyone suddenly gets sicker.”

It gets better with time though and now I don’t even think about it.
 
Related... if you feel that your job becomes rote and you're always comfortable handling life-threatening situations or situations which seem routine, self-reflection needs to happen. There are still cases where I see patients and find out the path they went down is not even something I expected. A few examples:

1) I was following the EBM/AAFP recommended workup for cough. It's a several month trial of meds and workups. Patient had some risk factors (smoking) but it was remote. Despite following the guidelines, I felt like **** when said patient ended up with a CT Scan by me and I found a lung mass. Sigh.

2) I was precepting a 2nd year resident. Healthy 50-something came in feeling fatigued. LDL a bit elevated and BMI probably 26-27. I saw him back after his fatigue workup was negative.... for a hospital follow up. Why was he in the hospital? He arrested at work and once again after ROSC and was seeing me after his CABG. I felt like ****. Looking back the cardiac suspicion remains low, but I always think when I see him, what if I had been aggressive in workup?
 
What's it like? As a surgeon, I would say terrifying and awesome at the same time.
There are patients who didn't make it who I'll never forget.
There are also those who made it who I never thought would.
There are those who give me more credit for "saving them" than I deserve.
There are those who blame me for problems that have literally NOTHING to do with anything I did or didn't do.
There are also the routine/everyday cases that all blend together for me, but are a huge event in the patient's life and I am conscientious about remembering that when seeing them; any routine case can become memorable in a heartbeat.
 
I was going to make a snarky comment about how I have kids and feel that pressure all the time ... I know it’s not the same though. I have had my kids almost die a couple of times and felt it then, but I digress... I actually wanted to share a great quote I read recently.

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i'm so excited to start the journey of becoming a physician this summer, but I'd be lying if I didn't feel scared sometimes that someone's life and health will soon(ish) be my responsibility

residents and attendings (and maybe rotating med students), did you feel ready at the beginning of med school to bear this responsibility? did it scare you at all? when was the first time that you said to yourself "oh ****, this is actually my responsibility and if I mess up, this patient could be hurt or even pass"
The patient’s life and health is always their responsibility. Theirs. Full stop. That’s why autonomy matters so much.

You are a hired hand. An advisor on some days, a technician on others. You are responsible to be good at whatever task you are doing because there can be dire consequences for incompetence but you are not responsible for their end health. You are responsible for your actions.
 
It always feels great when you get it right.

But you always remember the ones where you got it wrong.

On an overnight MRI that I issued a preliminary report, I missed a tip appendicitis on a pregnant patient. Rather difficult study to read as the patient didn't have much intraperitoneal fat, and the rest of the appendix looked stone cold normal. The day time attending caught my mistake, the patient went to the OR and both the patient and fetus did well.

I felt awful afterward as the outcome could have been way worse if the appendix ruptured (increased risk of pregnancy loss in the setting of maternal sepsis).
 
I don’t really get it intraoperatively, I know the risks and I know my skills and the stuff I do is on very healthy people and have a lot of trust in the anesthesiology team who do a lot more scary crap than monitoring a sacrocolpopexy. I get this feeling now if a post op complication arises even a superficial ssi and if a patient is hurting more post op or taking longer to recover than what I had told them. And I used to get it a lot when I would moonlight on L&D as a fellow, you’re not just responsible for one person but two and harm to either or both is super traumatic since that majority of people are healthy and going into the hospital with a complete expectation of leaving with a happy ending. Luckily i left that game behind a few years ago
 
I don’t really get it intraoperatively, I know the risks and I know my skills and the stuff I do is on very healthy people and have a lot of trust in the anesthesiology team who do a lot more scary crap than monitoring a sacrocolpopexy. I get this feeling now if a post op complication arises even a superficial ssi and if a patient is hurting more post op or taking longer to recover than what I had told them. And I used to get it a lot when I would moonlight on L&D as a fellow, you’re not just responsible for one person but two and harm to either or both is super traumatic since that majority of people are healthy and going into the hospital with a complete expectation of leaving with a happy ending. Luckily i left that game behind a few years ago

Hahaha. Just like there are anesthesiologists who will not do ob. Congrats! You just bought a patient for at least 18 years! M
 
i'm so excited to start the journey of becoming a physician this summer, but I'd be lying if I didn't feel scared sometimes that someone's life and health will soon(ish) be my responsibility

residents and attendings (and maybe rotating med students), did you feel ready at the beginning of med school to bear this responsibility? did it scare you at all? when was the first time that you said to yourself "oh ****, this is actually my responsibility and if I mess up, this patient could be hurt or even pass"

It feels terrible when the pt is relatively young and healthy and a mistake/miss leads to a jaw-dropping tragedy.

It doesn't really hurt very much when the pt has CAD s/p CABG, diabetic nephropathy, and a h/o CVA.

Granted, it is our duty to do the best we can for every pt whom we attend, but we are neither infallible nor wizards.
 
Yea. There are risks with everything that we do. At a certain point you need to make a decision and be comfortable with that uncertainty, and patients or their surrogate decision maker need to be aware of those risks which can include death, no matter how minor the intervention. I always look back and see if there is anything I could've done better when a patient had died under my watch. I'm grateful so far that no patient has died directly as a result of a mistake that I made but there have been a few close calls. This is why you should never hesitate to ask for help the moment you're concerned about something and you're not sure how to manage it. This is why we do the M&M Grand Rounds. This is why even though I get multiple consults in the ED for seemingly trivial reasons, I still don't complain because part of me still goes "what if" and I feel more comfortable after I at least lay my own eyes on the patient.

I really agree with the term "constant vigilance" from J.K Rowling's 4th Harry Potter book. Also the term "better safe than sorry". Initially, when I started my training I was like "this is ridiculous how we are getting all these tests on everyone". But the more I see the unexpected happen, I can see there is some legitimacy to do it.
 
When I was working as a paramedic experienced being responsible for people's lives & most of the time there's not much for you to do because they're not that sick, but when they are (eg. crash airway, pinned under a truck, viable cardiac arrest in a young pt) and you're providing high stakes emergent care it's a different ballgame.

The trick I've found to not let negative outcomes bother me is to be committed to the process and not the outcome. Eg, I care that I was able to provide the best care that I was capable of, not that the pt survived or not. For me I found that I had to be committed to excellence in the process, to 'train how you fight' and to obsess over details while training/learning so that I wasn't ket up at night by bad calls. As in to drill on every procedural skill until you know the steps by heart, can recite them from the top of your head and can perform them without having to think about it so when something bad happens at 0200. That helps so you don't have a nagging doubt that 'I wish I could have done more' or 'I really should have been able to do that right' if things go south.

Honestly, being solely responsible for critically ill people is terrifying and I think that it always should be, but it's a kind of terrifying responsibility that you get used to. Just be sure to leave work at work and not bring it home with you

Disclaimer: Not a physician yet
 
At some point I stopped thinking about it because I need to be productive in my job. So far so good.

I'm not a surgeon...I imagine losing a patient due to an error in the OR would be devastating.
 
You should absolutely NOT feel ready as a med student. If you do feel ready, that's a big red flag to me and likely your residents/attendings.

Having another person's life in your hands should always make you aware and nervous, but you learn to live with it and cope and that's why med school and residency exists. You learn to critically analyze situations, lab values, imaging, patient status, and the risks and benefits of various treatments and you have to trust your knowledge and skill set.

As an attending, I'd be lying if I said I don't get nervous or I don't run cases by my peers to make sure I'm doing right by my patients. Bread and butter cases are easy, but as they say in med school, patients don't always read the text book and that can be scary. My friend and I started as attendings on the same day. On the first day of attendinghood, she turned to me and said "**** just got real." It was unsettling then and it's sometimes unsettling even now.
 
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