What makes a good application

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I heard this analogy from a friend, and so I thought I would share it with you. It really illustrates simply how admissions committees view med school applications. There are 1000+ questions on here to this subject, so maybe it will help answer a few! Here is goes.
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Imagine your application is a pizza. The best possible application would be a complete supreme pizza, and the worst a cheese pizza. An application pizza has 5 pieces: MCAT, GPA, Application Materials, Clinical Experience / research, and the Interview. In order for an admissions committee to accept you, all five pieces are needed!
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Piece 1, the MCAT: Pretty straightforward. If the average MCAT at your school is a 30, and you score a 28, you probably have delivered a cheese piece. If it’s a 30, it is probably a pepperoni piece. A 34 is a delicious meat lover’s, and a 38 is the best tasting supreme ever! (please note that if the average MCAT is a 37 at the school of your choice, then a 37 MCAT is only a pepperoni!)
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Piece 2, GPA: Again, straightforward in simple cases. If the average GPA is a 3.7, and you have a 3.6, then you have a cheese piece. A 4.0 from a small college is probably a meat lover’s, and a 3.95 from Yale is like the delicious supreme! Now non traditional and other applicants that decided at the end of the college career to go into medicine often times do not have sufficient grades or pre reqs to even be considered, and so there isn’t even a piece here! This means you don’t have a complete pizza necessary for admission! You must get a piece here. Post bacc, graduate school, or completing your pre reqs will give you the piece you need. However, if you have previous bad grades, you will never be able to get a supreme. You can, however, at least make a piece and maybe throw on some pepperoni…… If you are just completing pre reqs and otherwise have great grades, then you can still make that supreme piece!
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Piece 3, Application materials: I am not an expert on this, many other SDNers can comment more here on what makes a supreme vs meat lovers vs pepperoni vs cheese vs imcomplete. What I can add is that all applications (including secondaries) must be well written, proofread, and explain or demonstrate WHY you want to be a physician and that you understand what that means. The closer you get to convincing them through the application of this, the more toppings are added.
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Piece 4, Clinical experience and Research: Every school has different expectations here. However, no school will frown on thousands of hours of each! The supreme would be a person that has worked in the hospital for 3 years full time and has 3 publications. The cheese would vary from school to school, but would probably be something like working in a lab for a short while and shadowing a doctor for a few days.
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Piece 5, the interview: It may be the most important piece. At this point you get the idea of the analogy, so read a few interview threads and see what constitutes a supreme versus a cheese! I will add that what you are trying to accomplish here is to demonstrate that you ARE a physician, and that you know how to communicate these ideas effectively. It is the process of getting to know you personally and I would add that admissions office calls, LOIs, and updates all fall in this category……
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So what kind of pizza do you have? If any pieces are missing, you have no shot of getting in. If you know that you can only deliver a cheese or pepperoni piece on one slice, pour the toppings on another slice as much as you can. The application materials and experience / research are 90% effort, so if you want to be a physician go top those out! Remember, the admissions committee will only “eat” the best pizzas. If you have one or two cheese pieces, make sure the others are supreme. Of course at some schools, every piece has to be supreme! Good luck and comments / edits are welcomed appreciated. Good luck through this crazy process!
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Hope this helps someone and isn’t just worthless babble…….
 
This made me really hungry. Great post! 👍
 
Sounds really good. to continue off of your analogy, if that applicant has traveled abroad, and had numerous experience in a unique activity, he or she might deliver a "unique" slice of pizza...pineapple, mango, deluxe, beef...something or the other.

There is also something significant at each school that makes their application more complete than the next. in other words, it fits the schools mission or style of pizza, which includes extensive community service, volunteering, ECs, clinical experience, the research enterprise........

oohh..this is starting to sound really delish..

However, I have always though of med school admissions as a sandwhich and not a pizza :laugh:

Thanks for the good post..
 
lol @ 3 years full time hospital work and 3 pubs. Arbitrary much?

That whole section should be titled "EC's" by the way, as research is never required, and also thousands of hours of clinical experience is really pushing it even for superstar applicants.
 
lol @ 3 years full time hospital work and 3 pubs. Arbitrary much?

That whole section should be titled "EC's" by the way, as research is never required, and also thousands of hours of clinical experience is really pushing it even for superstar applicants.

...but it certainly does not hurt...🙂
 
For my two cents, it's been my impression from reading various articles on the topic that MCAT scores are not really "linear" like that. As in, the difference between a 28 and a 30 is more than the different between a 32 and 34, so a 32 at a 34-average school is not necessarily cheese pizza, but maybe there is a little less pepperoni.
 
For my two cents, it's been my impression from reading various articles on the topic that MCAT scores are not really "linear" like that. As in, the difference between a 28 and a 30 is more than the different between a 32 and 34, so a 32 at a 34-average school is not necessarily cheese pizza, but maybe there is a little less pepperoni.
Indeed, as scores go up in that usual range, the percentile difference between any two scores goes down. Three points can make a huge difference or very little depending on the score. (i.e. a 39 is pretty much as good as a 42, but a 34 is much better than a 31)
 
But a pizza joint is going to limit its business capacity if it only makes meat lovers' pizzas and "the works." you need to have pepperoni and plain cheese on the menu for the people that like those types of pizza...and hence some other factors that are important like the URM consideration, legacy, outrageous connections, other x-factors...
 
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To get into medical school.
1.) Get a 3.6+ GPA
2.) Get a 31+ MCAT score
3.) Do a years worth of volunteering ~200 hours
4.) Shadow as many doctors as you can
5.) Spend a few months on your PS, have pre-written secondaries ready to go.
6.) Apply as early as possible. I.E. right when they send you your secondaries spend no more than 2 weeks on them
7.) Just keep talking during your interview and try to establish a conversation with your interviewer.

At least that's how I interpreted this process.
 
To get into medical school.
1.) Get a 3.6+ GPA (3.7+ if California resident)
2.) Get a 31+ MCAT score (33+ if California resident)
3.) Do a years worth of volunteering ~200 hours (More than that)
4.) Shadow as many doctors as you can (Quality > Quantity. You should be able to talk about what you saw and relate it to medicine as a whole)
5.) Spend a few months on your PS, have pre-written secondaries ready to go.
6.) Apply as early and broadly as possible. I.E. right when they send you your secondaries spend no more than 2 weeks on them
7.) Just keep talking (lolwut? Just don't come across as a socially awkward aspie.) during your interview and try to establish a conversation with your interviewer.


At least that's how I interpreted this process.

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To get into medical school.
1.) Get a 3.6+ GPA
2.) Get a 31+ MCAT score
3.) Do a years worth of volunteering ~200 hours
4.) Shadow as many doctors as you can
5.) Spend a few months on your PS, have pre-written secondaries ready to go.
6.) Apply as early as possible. I.E. right when they send you your secondaries spend no more than 2 weeks on them
7.) Just keep talking during your interview and try to establish a conversation with your interviewer.

At least that's how I interpreted this process.


Seems about right - some research and leadership sprinkled in though
 
Some very good posts... Wasnt trying to tell people how to get in though! Just trying to illustrate the process so that some could visualize it. Some schools want supremes, some schools want margarita chicken for sure, but the ALL want 5 pieces, period!
 
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