What will you consider when choosing a school if you get multiple offers?

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So after all these interviews I’ve started to notice the things that I like/dislike about schools:

Price:
While there is a huge difference between a 160,000 dollar school and a 400,000 dollar school, I would honestly pick the more expensive one if it meant a better education. At first I though “I’ll just see which schools accept me and pick the cheapest one” but I would be doing a huge disservice to myself. Not all schools are created equal. You have to take some things into consideration such as…

Patient availability:
Some schools have more patients that they know what to do with while others actually make go out, hunt people down and beg them to come pay for you to use them as guinea pigs. Plus, this way I feel like I’d be shortchanged when it comes to…

Clinical experience:
Some schools have a certain amount of procedures you have to do, some have no such guidelines and you just do whatever…?… Yet others give you **** tons of clinical experience which, besides the obvious as “being more competent” deal, it makes you more competitive for graduate programs and jobs. In order to give the best care, it’s also important to have good…

Facilities:
I’ve visited both extremely old schools, and schools that are barely starting this year or are aggressively renovating the place and there is a HUGE difference. While great facilities are important, another thing you have to consider is…

Location:
Some schools are in beautiful suburbs, and some are in what seems like a lawless ghetto. I want to be on a safe campus, and be able to go to class without worrying about being mugged. Besides being safe outside, you have to be comfortable inside, so another thing that comes into play is…

Environment:
The professors being nice and helpful is so crucial! You can instantly see the difference between (a school in which the professors lock their rooms if you’re a second late, or give frequent tests, or try to ****ing scare you saying that their school is so hard that you wont even have time to work out), and (schools where the professor and students describe their relationship as a family and students are encouraged to work out and do a bunch of recreational activities.) Now, I don’t go around fire expecting not to sweat, but I do think about…

“hardness:”
I’m willing to work hard, but I don’t want to go to a school that prides itself on making your life a living hell just cause they get off on it. I like to talk to the current students and make sure they’re happy. While we’re on the topic of schoolwork…

Lab work:
While I understand the importance of lab work, in reality I will NEVER do that again. So don’t get me wrong, I want to do it, but at the same time, I don’t want to unnecessarily focus on it too much, specially if it’s too the point where it cuts into clinical time. And at the end of the day I want to be able to hit up the…

Rec:
I want a good gym on campus. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for. Obviously, this is not my biggest priority, but working out is extremely important to me; all things being equal between two schools, a gym could make or break.

Did I miss anything? What else will you guys consider when choosing a school?
 
So after all these interviews I’ve started to notice the things that I like/dislike about schools:

Price:
While there is a huge difference between a 160,000 dollar school and a 400,000 dollar school, I would honestly pick the more expensive one if it meant a better education. At first I though “I’ll just see which schools accept me and pick the cheapest one” but I would be doing a huge disservice to myself. Not all schools are created equal. You have to take some things into consideration such as…

I'm sure that at the end of the day, you'll get a good education at any dental school. You could probably get a sucky education at Penn or Harvard, if you don't make the most of what you're given. I would gladly take the $400,000 school, if it was where I felt the most comfortable and happy. I don't care if I'm debt-free 5 years earlier at a cheaper school, because chances are I'd spend everyday of dental school bitter and unhappy that I passed up on a better school (for me.)

Patient availability:
Some schools have more patients that they know what to do with while others actually make go out, hunt people down and beg them to come pay for you to use them as guinea pigs. Plus, this way I feel like I’d be shortchanged when it comes to…

👍 I, personally, would never go to a school that makes you recruit your own patient base. No thanks.

Clinical experience:
Some schools have a certain amount of procedures you have to do, some have no such guidelines and you just do whatever…?… Yet others give you **** tons of clinical experience which, besides the obvious as “being more competent” deal, it makes you more competitive for graduate programs and jobs. In order to give the best care, it’s also important to have good…

👍 I'm expecting to pull my hair out in dental school, fearing everyday that I have too many requirements to complete. I want that. I don't want to breeze through d-school and then get slapped with a malpractice law suit in the real world, because I couldn't do a good enough job.

Facilities:
I’ve visited both extremely old schools, and schools that are barely starting this year or are aggressively renovating the place and there is a HUGE difference. While great facilities are important, another thing you have to consider is…

To me, there's a huge difference between old and unusable. I can deal with older equipment and studying in old classrooms, as long as the instruction is top notch. It doesn't matter if I have a brand new mannequin and sim lab, if the professors only teach things half as well as another institution. But, the main clinic, where we'll be seeing actual patients, better be nice! lol.

Location:
Some schools are in beautiful suburbs, and some are in what seems like a lawless ghetto. I want to be on a safe campus, and be able to go to class without worrying about being mugged. Besides being safe outside, you have to be comfortable inside, so another thing that comes into play is…

👍Amen to this one. I'm gonna be in lab til 2am or whenever they kick me out, and back in lab at 7am or whenever they let me in. It better be safe (enough) for me to walk home.

Environment:
The professors being nice and helpful is so crucial! You can instantly see the difference between (a school in which the professors lock their rooms if you’re a second late, or give frequent tests, or try to ****ing scare you saying that their school is so hard that you wont even have time to work out), and (schools where the professor and students describe their relationship as a family and students are encouraged to work out and do a bunch of recreational activities.) Now, I don’t go around fire expecting not to sweat, but I do think about…

👍Agreed. People emphasize the niceness of other students...I don't really care. I want a competitive student body to keep me on my toes, but I need faculty guidance, when necessary.

“hardness:”
I’m willing to work hard, but I don’t want to go to a school that prides itself on making your life a living hell just cause they get off on it. I like to talk to the current students and make sure they’re happy. While we’re on the topic of schoolwork…

I'm fine with the program being rigorous, as long as it's beneficial. So, setting ridiculous clinical requirements is fine...but assigning ridiculous amounts of didactic work seems pointless to me.

Lab work:
While I understand the importance of lab work, in reality I will NEVER do that again. So don’t get me wrong, I want to do it, but at the same time, I don’t want to unnecessarily focus on it too much, specially if it’s too the point where it cuts into clinical time. And at the end of the day I want to be able to hit up the…

Rec:
I want a good gym on campus. I don’t think that’s too much to ask for. Obviously, this is not my biggest priority, but working out is extremely important to me; all things being equal between two schools, a gym could make or break.

👍 So far, many of my interviews have been at schools in the Big 10 and Pac 12, and all those campuses had really fit students. As long as there is space to run, I'll be good to go

Did I miss anything? What else will you guys consider when choosing a school?

Awesome list. I'll also be considering:

1) Specialization rates: I probably won't be the top of my class anymore, so I'd like to go to a school where I can still stand a great chance at specializing, even though I'm not top 5.

2) Outreach opportunities: I'd genuinely like to give back, first of all, and I like volunteering. You also get tons more dental experience and tougher cases in under served areas than you do in regular clinics. Finally, the more hours your rack up in community dentistry, the better your resume looks for specializations.

3) Research: I'd like to be published at least once in dental school, or at least second authored on a couple papers. Again, for specialization apps.

4) Overall reputation: Since dental schools don't have an official ranking, members of the public who care about where I went to school will probably judge me based on how well known my school is. Sad that I have to take this into consideration, but whatever. Life is unfair. That, and I want to proudly join the school's network on Facebook without my friends and family mocking me.

5) Public transit: I probably won't be bringing my car with me, if I move out of state. And even if I did, I need to save on gas and insurance, so I probably won't drive it. Thus, I want a school/city with a great transit system.

6) Cost of Living: I'm willing to pay an insane amount of money for tuition, because I can justify the cost of education. I'll have a hard time coming to terms with paying an extreme amount for a shoebox.

7) Dual-Degree Options: Quick way to pick up an additional higher-education degree to tack onto the resume for specialties and for future dental faculty applications. Oh, and it's fun learning about other disciplines.
 
When I went to my ASDOH interview, I realized that 'Procedures required to graduate' were important to me. Although I'll probably attend whatever school that accepts me... LECOM beats ASDOH on my list because ASDOH lacks certain procedure experiences that I think are important in treating people.
 
When I went to my ASDOH interview, I realized that 'Procedures required to graduate' were important to me. Although I'll probably attend whatever school that accepts me... LECOM beats ASDOH on my list because ASDOH lacks certain procedure experiences that I think are important in treating people.

This might be an ignorant statement/question, but I thought all schools had the same clinical competencies, and just varied based on the number required for graduation. If you don't mind me asking, what does ASDOH not do that you think is important for treating people?
 
This might be an ignorant statement/question, but I thought all schools had the same clinical competencies, and just varied based on the number required for graduation. If you don't mind me asking, what does ASDOH not do that you think is important for treating people?

I PM'd you 🙂
 
When I went to my ASDOH interview, I realized that 'Procedures required to graduate' were important to me. Although I'll probably attend whatever school that accepts me... LECOM beats ASDOH on my list because ASDOH lacks certain procedure experiences that I think are important in treating people.

I thought ASDOH had the best clinical education available (at least according to others on this board). :idea:
 
I thought ASDOH had the best clinical education available (at least according to others on this board). :idea:

lol, my post shouldn't be taken the wrong way. ASDOH is probably still a very great school that will provide you with great experiences 🙂
 
Atmosphere- I want to be apart of a supportive group. A family so to speak. This goes for professors too.

Clinical- I'm coming to school to be a dentist. 'nuff said. I also want the ability to go above and beyond requirements and do more advanced stuff should I have time or the ability. Facilities, PT availablility and scheduling policy are all apart of this.

Price- times are hard. fin.
 
Price, price, price. Tack on cost of living to that.

Loan money is not lottery money!
 
Rec:
I want a good gym on campus. I don't think that's too much to ask for. Obviously, this is not my biggest priority, but working out is extremely important to me; all things being equal between two schools, a gym could make or break.

Wow. This is one of the things I looked for at my interviews lol. I thought I was only one crazy enough to decide to not go to a certain dental school because there isn't a good gym on campus. One of my main ways to relieve stress/hobbies is working out and playing sports. I don't think I would be able to make it through D school without a good gym on campus.

Also, I think about location, price, and the atmosphere the school presents. Some schools outright say they promote activities that bring the student body together.

The funny thing is I seem to care more about what dental school will make me the happiest rather than how good a dentist the school will make me lol. This is probably a bad thing. However, I think being happy makes me more productive and able to concentrate so thus choosing the place that makes me the happiest will most likely make me learn dentistry a lot better.
 
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never ever choose a $400k school over a $160k school! you will regret it everyday for at least 10 years! before my acceptances came i only cared about location, but i quickly decided that price is the main factor.
 
Wow. This is one of the things I looked for at my interviews lol. I thought I was only one crazy enough to decide to not go to a certain dental school because their isn't a good gym on campus. One of my main ways to relieve stress/hobbies is working out and playing sports. I don't think I would be able to make it through D school without a good gym on campus.

Funny because I seriously considered Harvard Business School before I got on the dentistry path because their gym, specifically built for the MBA students, is sick. That institution is loaded with $$$$$.
 
never ever choose a $400k school over a $160k school! you will regret it everyday for at least 10 years! before my acceptances came i only cared about location, but i quickly decided that price is the main factor.

I would be content working off a hefty debt; I would not be content with settling for a school I hated based on its cheap tuition.
 
This might be an ignorant statement/question, but I thought all schools had the same clinical competencies, and just varied based on the number required for graduation. If you don't mind me asking, what does ASDOH not do that you think is important for treating people?

It's not just about quantity, but about quality of cases too. For example, some schools will offer the experience of placing an implant while others (that boast about their clinical focus) don't. Also, the quality is tied in to whether or not the school has specialty programs. For example, if a patient walks in needing an upper 3rd molar root canal, which will provide one with a great learning experience due to the complexity/location of this tooth, his case is going to be sent down the hall to the Endo department where an Endo specialty student will work on it. Whereas at a school with no Endo department, the student doctor will work on this case. For instance, BU, which has a shortage of patients already, has almost all the specialty programs and thus the clinical problem is exacerbated because of this.
 
It's not just about quantity, but about quality of cases too. For example, some schools will offer the experience of placing an implant while others (that boast about their clinical focus) don't. Also, the quality is tied in to whether or not the school has specialty programs. For example, if a patient walks in needing an upper 3rd molar root canal, which will provide one with a great learning experience due to the complexity/location of this tooth, his case is going to be sent down the hall to the Endo department where an Endo specialty student will work on it. Whereas at a school with no Endo department, the student doctor will work on this case. For instance, BU, which has a shortage of patients already, has almost all the specialty programs and thus the clinical problem is exacerbated because of this.

Which schools actually let you, as a dental student, place every implant until you're proficient...or at all? Personally, I haven't heard of one yet.
 
You shouldn't have applied to a school you hated in the first place 😎

Hate is a strong word. I should have said 'school I disliked'. If I knew I would be getting interviews at good schools, I wouldn't have applied to ones I disliked. Too late now, I guess.
 
I know this goes along with location, but WEATHER is very, very important to me. Probably my top 5 reasons! It was actually one of the reasons that I chose my undergrad college over another college. My undergrad is known for its amazing weather :laugh:

Of course, if the school offers great clinical experience, education, and the opportunity to go to dental school, etc maybe I would still attend despite the weather.


However, I know that I would be much happier in sunny, SUPER HOT places than freezing cold places. Put me in the tropics or the desert, and I would be okay. But I get goosebumps probably faster than anybody else I know. I don't think I can concentrate or function normally if I'm always worried about how cold I am!

Yeah... not sure how it's going to go if I get an interview at some schools, but I only applied to 4 cold places. We'll see how that goes...
 
Which schools actually let you, as a dental student, place every implant until you're proficient...or at all? Personally, I haven't heard of one yet.

I didn't say a school would let you place every implant. I said a school would let you place one implant. Although it's not enough experience, it's a helluva lot more than a school that doesn't do any, since you'll learn the science behind the procedure and along with some hands on experience.
 
I know this goes along with location, but WEATHER is very, very important to me. Probably my top 5 reasons! It was actually one of the reasons that I chose my undergrad college over another college. My undergrad is known for its amazing weather :laugh:

Of course, if the school offers great clinical experience, education, and the opportunity to go to dental school, etc maybe I would still attend despite the weather.


However, I know that I would be much happier in sunny, SUPER HOT places than freezing cold places. Put me in the tropics or the desert, and I would be okay. But I get goosebumps probably faster than anybody else I know. I don't think I can concentrate or function normally if I'm always worried about how cold I am!

Yeah... not sure how it's going to go if I get an interview at some schools, but I only applied to 4 cold places. We'll see how that goes...

I'm with you here. I hate waking up in a warm toasty bed during the winter to walk around out in a cold house/apt especially on the cold bathroom tiles and I really hate that moment after turning off the water in a hot shower to feel the cold draft. Never had these issues when I lived in warm places. I would only choose Harvard over a warm weather school.
 
I'm with you here. I hate waking up in a warm toasty bed during the winter to walk around out in a cold house/apt especially on the cold bathroom tiles and I really hate that moment after turning off the water in a hot shower to feel the cold draft. Never had these issues when I lived in warm places. I would only choose Harvard over a warm weather school.

+ going to the toilet in the morning and feeling that cold ass porceline on your toosh. 👎
 
I didn't say a school would let you place every implant. I said a school would let you place one implant. Although it's not enough experience, it's a helluva lot more than a school that doesn't do any, since you'll learn the science behind the procedure and along with some hands on experience.


Placing an implant is specifically not done by dental students at any of the dental schools I've interviewed, but restoration sometimes is. To PLACE an implant, it seems you need to be very lucky and get a resident that allows you to. This question was asked by someone at every interview and answered by either a dean or dentist a clinic.
 
When I went to my ASDOH interview, I realized that 'Procedures required to graduate' were important to me. Although I'll probably attend whatever school that accepts me... LECOM beats ASDOH on my list because ASDOH lacks certain procedure experiences that I think are important in treating people.

I would like the PM too plz!

Your statement just blows me away... You are saying that you trust LECOM who currently doesn't have any dental reputation, no patient base, and 0 students over a well established program?

I have just always personally believed that proof is in the pudding.... but LECOM has yet to produce any pudding. Any promises made to the future classes have 0 evidence to be based upon.

Don't get me wrong. I have talked to several people who have interviewed at LECOM and liked it a lot. It just seems very bold to say that LECOM will probably be better clinically than ASDOH, since it hasn't even had a martriculating class yet.

Also, every ASDOH 4th year or grad i have known has walked away with a ton of clinical experience. I mean... 100+ extractions, 50+ root canals, and enough crowns, fixed prosth, and fillings than they can count.

I am honestly not trying to start a flame war. I would just like to know what you feel they are lacking clinically, so i could be made aware. Thanks!!
 
I would like the PM too plz!

Your statement just blows me away... You are saying that you trust LECOM who currently doesn't have any dental reputation, no patient base, and 0 students over a well established program?

I have just always personally believed that proof is in the pudding.... but LECOM has yet to produce any pudding. Any promises made to the future classes have 0 evidence to be based upon.

Don't get me wrong. I have talked to several people who have interviewed at LECOM and liked it a lot. It just seems very bold to say that LECOM will probably be better clinically than ASDOH, since it hasn't even had a martriculating class yet.

Also, every ASDOH 4th year or grad i have known has walked away with a ton of clinical experience. I mean... 100+ extractions, 50+ root canals, and enough crowns, fixed prosth, and fillings than they can count.

I am honestly not trying to start a flame war. I would just like to know what you feel they are lacking clinically, so i could be made aware. Thanks!!

Totally agree. ASDOH probably has one of the stronger clinical programs in the country, and produces excellent general dentists.

Every school will hype themselves during the interview, but hopefully we can agree that it is harder to trust a brand new program's words than one that is already established.
 
If your ultimate reason for picking dentistry was comfortable life-style, then the MOST logical thing to look for is cost cost cost.

Getting out with 400k vs 300k vs 200k can put a SERIOUS choke to how you'll be living the first 10-15 years out of dental school.
 
I used to put heavy emphasis on the cost, but after alot of thought, happiness is more important than money for me. I'll choose a school that I'll be happy at.. You only go to dental school once right? I know I'll find a way to pay off the debt.
 
You guys might want to think about Location in terms of where you actually want to practice. Do you intend on making a 4 yr commitment and then going back to your state or do you intend on living in your d-school state?

for me the most important things are:
1. cost - money is money. nuff said.
2. clinical experience - the more, the merrier

thats about it. everything else can be adjusted (i.e. weather, student body, or faculty) I intend on going to the most well rounded school irregardless of a lot of other factors because i want the best education possible but I do want to control my costs. Everything else will only last 4 years and then ill move on with my life.
 
I used to put heavy emphasis on the cost, but after alot of thought, happiness is more important than money for me. I'll choose a school that I'll be happy at.. You only go to dental school once right? I know I'll find a way to pay off the debt.

what defines happiness? google it. you will get 1 million answers. heh i mean its your choice but from what i see on dentaltown and elsewhere. I can say w/o a doubt, that if you have a cheap in state school then you should seriously consider it.

just because a school costs 200k more, i dunno if that means you will be happier there or if theres anything the school can do to keep you "happier"
 
I didn't say a school would let you place every implant. I said a school would let you place one implant. Although it's not enough experience, it's a helluva lot more than a school that doesn't do any, since you'll learn the science behind the procedure and along with some hands on experience.

Very few schools will even let you place one implant. Even Maryland, which has a two-part implant "mini-GPR" as they call it, really a selective course for your D4 year, said that all you will really be doing is repairing and adjusting them. To place one is very rare and would have to be a compatible case for your skills.

Don't bank on implant experience as being part of your education. Other things, such as invisalign certs or nitrous certification, that is more realistic.
 
I didn't say a school would let you place every implant. I said a school would let you place one implant. Although it's not enough experience, it's a helluva lot more than a school that doesn't do any, since you'll learn the science behind the procedure and along with some hands on experience.

Which school lets you place this one implant?

Even if this school does let you place the one and only implant, it's not like you'd be proficient enough to do it on a regular basis. Having a one-treatment requirement (or option) for any procedure is kind of pointless. But, to each his own.
 
You guys might want to think about Location in terms of where you actually want to practice. Do you intend on making a 4 yr commitment and then going back to your state or do you intend on living in your d-school state?

for me the most important things are:
1. cost - money is money. nuff said.
2. clinical experience - the more, the merrier

thats about it. everything else can be adjusted (i.e. weather, student body, or faculty) I intend on going to the most well rounded school irregardless of a lot of other factors because i want the best education possible but I do want to control my costs. Everything else will only last 4 years and then ill move on with my life.

I agree with you here. While I dread living in certain cities, as long as my education is a) well-rounded and b) affordable, I think I'll manage. You can always go elsewhere afterwards; you're not stuck. So go where it's cheap; that's the advice I've heard echoed constantly from current students, dentists, professors, etc. You want to minimize the debt cloud hanging over your head.

Even if you have sufficient funds within your family to pay for dental school, I doubt you want the guilt hanging over your head that you just made your parents shell out $250-300k versus $100-150k.

Besides, if you free up tuition money, you have more money to spend on other things that may greatly improve your mood and happiness: a car, a nicer place to live, more discretionary money, etc. Life is life; we don't always have to live it through our careers.
 
OP: great post! I have many similar views. The only one I differ on, is that cost is a lot bigger factor for me. Overall though, great post! 👍
 
I would like the PM too plz!

Your statement just blows me away... You are saying that you trust LECOM who currently doesn't have any dental reputation, no patient base, and 0 students over a well established program?

I have just always personally believed that proof is in the pudding.... but LECOM has yet to produce any pudding. Any promises made to the future classes have 0 evidence to be based upon.

Don't get me wrong. I have talked to several people who have interviewed at LECOM and liked it a lot. It just seems very bold to say that LECOM will probably be better clinically than ASDOH, since it hasn't even had a martriculating class yet.

Also, every ASDOH 4th year or grad i have known has walked away with a ton of clinical experience. I mean... 100+ extractions, 50+ root canals, and enough crowns, fixed prosth, and fillings than they can count.

I am honestly not trying to start a flame war. I would just like to know what you feel they are lacking clinically, so i could be made aware. Thanks!!

PM'd you 🙂
 
Honestly, I don't want to go to any other school besides my state school.

It's cheap
 
+ going to the toilet in the morning and feeling that cold ass porceline on your toosh. 👎

Let's not forget to mention having to sit in your car in the morning freezing your ass off while waiting for the heater to warm up.
 
Let's not forget to mention having to sit in your car in the morning freezing your ass off while waiting for the heater to warm up.

remote starter can prevent this. walk from warm apartment and get in warm car! no much you can do for the in between part tho...
 
Here's something to consider about the cost issue. Going to a more expensive school may up your chances for the competitive specialties just enough to let you get into one of those specialties. If that's the case, then going to a more expensive school will be a very good investment. How much going to different schools will help you specialize is up for debate though. If two students had identical stats and extra curriculars at the end of d school, but one went to harvard, and the other went to a state school, who's gona get the ortho residency?
 
Here's something to consider about the cost issue. Going to a more expensive school may up your chances for the competitive specialties just enough to let you get into one of those specialties. If that's the case, then going to a more expensive school will be a very good investment. How much going to different schools will help you specialize is up for debate though. If two students had identical stats and extra curriculars at the end of d school, but one went to harvard, and the other went to a state school, who's gona get the ortho residency?

This concept doesn't apply very well, since there are WAYYY more expensive schools than ivy league schools.

Pretty much every private dental school is expensive (wer talking close to 400k+ tuition + living + built up interest)

And all ivy's are expensive as well, but how many ivys are there?


I don't believe its a good idea to associate cost of dental education to possibility to specialize. People whom make it into ortho (for example) are extraordinary individuals (even if they went to a P/F system like Harvard), they must have done something in that program (research, ECS, etc) that made them REALLY stand out..... Not anyone who goes to harvard can pull this off. The same can be said when you go to your average-joe Dental school and trying to pull off a top-10 rank.

Competitive specialties are only for the elite. I don't believe your dental school choice is going to matter that much in this particular area.
 
How attractive the girls at the school are.

Lol. Important, but not that high on my priority list, believe it or not. You can always get the hotties from the nursing school, undergrad school and civilians in the city.
 
How attractive the girls at the school are.

lol esp if the school has a hygiene program... you can bet they're trying to lure in some d-students into marriages 🙂
 
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