What would this experience be considered?

[Conflagration]

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Hello, everyone. I have a question.

I’m going to be a nontrad, and I’m getting my teaching license in May. A job that is available in my area is to be a math teacher for kids in the hospital.

What would that be considered? Is this a relatively unique experience?

There’s also a position available as a math teacher in a prison- this would be my second choice. What would that be considered?

Thanks for your input, everyone!

 

[AttemptingScholar]

Is this a part-time job, full-time job, or volunteer experience?

 

[Conflagration]

Is this a part-time job, full-time job, or volunteer experience?

Full time job, 40 hours a week.

 

[Catalystik]

Hello, everyone. I have a question.

I’m going to be a nontrad, and I’m getting my teaching license in May. A job that is available in my area is to be a math teacher for kids in the hospital.

What would that be considered? Is this a relatively unique experience?

There’s also a position available as a math teacher in a prison- this would be my second choice. What would that be considered?

Thanks for your input, everyone!

You could list either as Teaching, or Employment-Medical/Clinical for the first and non-Clinical for the second.

 

[Conflagration]

You could list either as Teaching, or Employment-Medical/Clinical for the first and non-Clinical for the second.

Same for the

Thanks, I was curious if it would be clinical or not.

 

[Catalystik]

Thanks, I was curious if it would be clinical or not.

The latter would be the more unique experience.

 

[Conflagration]

The latter would be the more unique experience.

The latter also happens to pay better- people feel kind of insecure when trying to teach to prisoners. I don’t mind them much personally; they’re just people who made mistakes, and a lot of them suffer from learning disabilities and mental health issues. I’m glad that this would be interpreted as a unique experience!

 

[Catalystik]

The latter also happens to pay better- people feel kind of insecure when trying to teach to prisoners. I don’t mind them much personally; they’re just people who made mistakes, and a lot of them suffer from learning disabilities and mental health issues. I’m glad that this would be interpreted as a unique experience!

If you made this choice I think you'd also "get credit" for going outside your comfort zone, as well as for serving those who are most in need.

 

[TelemarketingEnigma]

My uncle taught at a prison for a long time - he actually liked it a lot better than the low-income school he'd been teaching in before, because the prisoners were far better behaved and he was actually exposed to far less violence (he'd been injured by a student at his previous school).

 

[Conflagration]

My uncle taught at a prison for a long time - he actually liked it a lot better than the low-income school he'd been teaching in before, because the prisoners were far better behaved and he was actually exposed to far less violence (he'd been injured by a student at his previous school).

I’d believe it! Schools can be rough places sometimes, particularly if you don’t have a supportive administration. It’s hard to hold people to standards if you have someone undermining what you’re doing, and there can be some serious tensions with that with parents and administrators alike. At least in prison, you have crystal clear expectations of behavior throughout their day for your students and they are held to those expectations.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

My uncle taught at a prison for a long time - he actually liked it a lot better than the low-income school he'd been teaching in before, because the prisoners were far better behaved and he was actually exposed to far less violence (he'd been injured by a student at his previous school).

Totally believe it. An ex of mine is a teacher. When she was in her student teaching, one of her classmates got slapped by a student for asking him to focus. She sent him to the principal’s office and then got in trouble for disciplining him. I could never be a teacher outside of a private school or college.

 

[de Ribas]

Totally believe it. An ex of mine is a teacher. When she was in her student teaching, one of her classmates got slapped by a student for asking him to focus. She sent him to the principal’s office and then got in trouble for disciplining him. I could never be a teacher outside of a private school or college.

teaching in public schools is tough.

 

[mellie0]

These are amazing!!!! I'm sure you'll get asked about it on every interview you go to. I have a pretty unique experience myself, and that has been the focus of many of my interviews. I really don't think you could go wrong either way!

 

[LizzyM]

I'd call it "non-clinical" as they are your "pupils" or "students" and not your "patients".

 

[Robin-jay]

@Goro might have a unique point of view on this.

 

[Goro]

Hello, everyone. I have a question.

I’m going to be a nontrad, and I’m getting my teaching license in May. A job that is available in my area is to be a math teacher for kids in the hospital.

What would that be considered? Is this a relatively unique experience?

There’s also a position available as a math teacher in a prison- this would be my second choice. What would that be considered?

Thanks for your input, everyone!

It would be unique and if it's in the hospital, then it's clinical experience. Online teaching doesn't count unless you';re doing it for free.
Math teaching in prison is also inquire, and would be considered non-clinical.

 

[Lawpy]

I'd call it "non-clinical" as they are your "pupils" or "students" and not your "patients".

It would be unique and if it's in the hospital, then it's clinical experience. Online teaching doesn't count unless you';re doing it for free.
Math teaching in prison is also inquire, and would be considered non-clinical.

Hmm there's a contradiction here. Does clinical refer to a setting (i.e. a hospital) or the group of people with whom volunteers interact (i.e. patients vs students)?

 

[de Ribas]

Hmm there's a contradiction here. Does clinical refer to a setting (i.e. a hospital) or the group of people with whom volunteers interact (i.e. patients vs students)?

I think we need more info when OP says teaching kids math in the hospital. Why teaching math in a hospital. For example, if one is volunteering in nursing home or any other LTC organization and plays with residents/patients, reads to them or is involved with other activities, one is doing clinical volunteering since he/she is working with ptients and in a clinical setting.
You can volunteer in a gift shop, front desk, or even valet parking of a hospital, but I don't see these as clinical.

If these kids are actual patients at a hospital, does it matter if you read or play with them or teach them math?

But, If his/her FT job is just to teach, then I can see why it' not clinical experience.

 

[Robin-jay]

Hmm there's a contradiction here. Does clinical refer to a setting (i.e. a hospital) or the group of people with whom volunteers interact (i.e. patients vs students)?

Believe it or not, there as always been "contradiction" among ADCOM members on the subject.

I believe, for example:

LizzyM has said that working in a nursing home is not actually clinical experience.

Goro has said that it is.

Long story short, I have spent too much time on the forums.

Personally, it seems LizzyM focuses on whether or not the group is patients. Goro takes into account the location of the place. (I'm just speculating!)

 

[Conflagration]

I think we need more info when OP says teaching kids math in the hospital. Why teaching math in a hospital. For example, if one is volunteering in nursing home or any other LTC organization and plays with residents/patients, reads to them or is involved with other activities, one is doing clinical volunteering since he/she is working with ptients and in a clinical setting.
You can volunteer in a gift shop, front desk, or even valet parking of a hospital, but I don't see these as clinical.

If these kids are actual patients at a hospital, does it matter if you read or play with them or teach them math?

But, If his/her FT job is just to teach, then I can see why it' not clinical experience.

Teaching in a hospital is done for the express purpose of keeping a patient current in their education. Long term care patients would require possibly months or even years depending on their condition in the hospital.

I know of some special education teachers that work with medically fragile patients and try to accommodate their needs that way- to scaffold their learning in ways that does not endanger their physical health.

But either a hospital or a prison is year-round, which is a benefit since most teaching contracts are only for 180-185 days. One would be getting better pay in either of these environments over a school. So there’s definite pros.

 

[LizzyM]

Believe it or not, there as always been "contradiction" among ADCOM members on the subject.

I believe, for example:

LizzyM has said that working in a nursing home is not actually clinical experience.

It depends on the setting. A nursing HOME that provides custodial care (e.g. not covered by Medicare) to older adults who cannot live alone for whatever reason is not a clinical setting in my opinion. It is more like boarding school for old folks. A facility that offers long term care for ventilator dependent patients and those rehabilitating from fractures, strokes or surgery is a clinical setting and interacting with those patients is clinical.

I take a very conservative approach because if your sole "clinical experience" is bussing tables in a nursing home dining room or playing the piano there as a volunteer, you will not have hit the mark; it is not a clinical experience equivalent to volunteering in the emergency department or in a clinic.

 

[de Ribas]

It depends on the setting. A nursing HOME that provides custodial care (e.g. not covered by Medicare) to older adults who cannot live alone for whatever reason is not a clinical setting in my opinion. It is more like boarding school for old folks. A facility that offers long term care for ventilator dependent patients and those rehabilitating from fractures, strokes or surgery is a clinical setting and interacting with those patients is clinical.

I take a very conservative approach because if your sole "clinical experience" is bussing tables in a nursing home dining room or playing the piano there as a volunteer, you will not have hit the mark; it is not a clinical experience equivalent to volunteering in the emergency department or in a clinic.

I work as CNA in memory care unit at Assisted Living. We administer meds, take care of patients, ADLs, and some hospice patients.

Is that clinical experience in your opinion?

 

[Goro]

Hmm there's a contradiction here. Does clinical refer to a setting (i.e. a hospital) or the group of people with whom volunteers interact (i.e. patients vs students)?

That's the wonderful thing about life. Different people can have different opinions.

 

[begoood95]

That's the wonderful thing about life. Different people can have different opinions.

BUT ONLY ONE CAN BE RIGHT

/s

 

[LizzyM]

I work as CNA in memory care unit at Assisted Living. We administer meds, take care of patients, ADLs, and some hospice patients.

Is that clinical experience in your opinion?

By definition Certified Nursing Assistants care for patients. Your employment as a CNA is clinical employment.

 

[de Ribas]

BUT ONLY ONE CAN BE RIGHT

/s

Two arguing people came to rabbi that he could help them resolve their issue.
- (First) Rabbi, (pointing to the sky) this is the moon, right?
- (Rabbi) Yes, you are right.
- (Second) No, this is crescent. Am I right, Rabbi?
- (Rabbi) Yes, and you are right.
(Rabbi's wife from the kitchen):
- Solomon, it's not possible that they both are right.
- - (Rabbi) Yes, and you are right.