What's the concensus?

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OK, for everyone here whether you are a new member or a old member, whether you just read the posts or you actually respond, I want to know what you think of the way this forum is being ran. Do you like the fact theat the 3 mods here are not heavy-handed or do wish that we were more heavy-handed. You can respond here or you can PM me. I am curious. It has been brought to my attention that I may moderate differently than other mods in other forums. I try to follow the rules as best I can without interfering with open discussion.
 
I wonder what sorts of responses you will get here. 🙄

Perhaps a closed door discussion like I suggested would have been more appropriate.

Let the non-gas mod bashing begin.

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Noyac said:
OK, for everyone here whether you are a new member or a old member, whether you just read the posts or you actually respond, I want to know what you think of the way this forum is being ran. Do you like the fact theat the 3 mods here are not heavy-handed or do wish that we were more heavy-handed. You can respond here or you can PM me. I am curious. It has been brought to my attention that I may moderate differently than other mods in other forums. I try to follow the rules as best I can without interfering with open discussion.
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You interfere and jump into heated disscussions more than any mod I have ever seen on any forum. You regulate more than moderate. I always thought mods were here to chill people out and keep discussions going or close threads, delete posts and ban/suspend people that broke the rules. As a mod I thought you had to hold back your emotions to an extent. This forum lost its MOJO sometime ago. Its a good ole boys club now, not a public forum. Opposing opinions and views are sensored. You guys must be moderating from China or Cuba.
 
I like the open forum and free discussion. I like the fact that even though I am not a physician, I can participate in threads that are of interest to me or that I think I might have some little particle of knowledge that might be useful here and there, or that I can contribute a perspective that might not otherwise have been thought of.

There are three moderators for the anesthesiology section. Between the three, they do a good job, and generally provide a balance when one of the three might get into the discussions a little more heavily than the others. At a certain point, when a thread gets out of hand or way off topic, it's closed.

And JPH (since you asked for it), what I don't like is moderators who are not assigned to this section butting into discussions they clearly don't understand and suspending users for nitpicky stuff when, again, they clearly don't understand the dynamics of the discussion at hand.

I'm a moderator on a couple of other medical forums - I can tell you that nothing irritates me more than a moderator from another section of the board cutting off an ongoing discussion that I'm clearly aware of the content since I have participated in the thread.

Let the discussions roll - let the anesthesia moderators do their thing as they have been - they're on here all the time and actively participate in many of the threads, including the controversial ones. They understand what's going on and why some topics hit a nerve more than others and why - others clearly don't. I assume they're capable of banning someone if the need arises, and several have needed that. Others have not, and that has almost always been done by a non-anesthesia moderator who just happens by.
 
I rarely post here because I'm still an undergrad, but I think that the mods do a fine job with this forum. One of the best things about it is the educational value. Furthermore, it is a lot more interesting than some of the other residency forums that are straight up business and no pleasure. I think that the atmosphere of this forum can actually raise some interest in the young ones on here, me included.
 
jwk said:
I like the open forum and free discussion. I like the fact that even though I am not a physician, I can participate in threads that are of interest to me or that I think I might have some little particle of knowledge that might be useful here and there, or that I can contribute a perspective that might not otherwise have been thought of.

There are three moderators for the anesthesiology section. Between the three, they do a good job, and generally provide a balance when one of the three might get into the discussions a little more heavily than the others. At a certain point, when a thread gets out of hand or way off topic, it's closed.

And JPH (since you asked for it), what I don't like is moderators who are not assigned to this section butting into discussions they clearly don't understand and suspending users for nitpicky stuff when, again, they clearly don't understand the dynamics of the discussion at hand.

I'm a moderator on a couple of other medical forums - I can tell you that nothing irritates me more than a moderator from another section of the board cutting off an ongoing discussion that I'm clearly aware of the content since I have participated in the thread.

Let the discussions roll - let the anesthesia moderators do their thing as they have been - they're on here all the time and actively participate in many of the threads, including the controversial ones. They understand what's going on and why some topics hit a nerve more than others and why - others clearly don't. I assume they're capable of banning someone if the need arises, and several have needed that. Others have not, and that has almost always been done by a non-anesthesia moderator who just happens by.
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OK, I'm going on record here (grin).

I've posted alot here. Real world shi.....sorry.....stuff....about the anesthesia biz that residents cannot, and will not find elsewhere. Anesthesia economics. Anesthesia real world (read: what really works but won't be performed by an academic attending) stuff.

But I'm also a controversial one when it comes to board ethics. I've been banned twice by SDN (non-anesthesia) moderators who swoop in after alerted by an ethics whistleblower.

I am respectful, and thankful, to non-MD posters on this board who return incessantly, offering contributions to the up-and-coming residents (JWK, Trinity, SDN1977, etc).

I am also encouraging to the up-and-comers to this profession....but am honest enough with them to call them out when I think it is necessary.

I am intolerant of trolls to this forum, much to my demise.

But lets get real here.

What is this forum for? Really?

This forum is primarily for resident physicians in anesthesia. Not for Jet. Not for Mil. Not for UT. Not for JWK/Trin/Ms SRNA/Ms Pharmacist etc etc.

We're here for the people that benefit from our posts.

The residents.

Venty. Sleep.

But ya know what?

WE (Mil, Noy, UT, Jet, JWK, Trin, SDN, etc) are a diverse group. WE are attendings, CRNAs, AAs, pharmacists....all with stories....professional stories, personal stories, success stories, failure stories.

WE are all professionals that have chosen, for whatever reason, to keep coming back to this forum.

And contributing to this forum.

And I'd venture to say that we are reaching to the anesthesia masses. Actually I'm sure of that, as Mil can attest to, from personal interactions that have occurred attesting to that fact.

SO YA KNOW WHAT NOY???

I KNOW, from experience, that we are making a difference with our internet posts.

I KNOW med students/residents are reading our posts.

I KNOW we are contributing in a positive fashion.

Do we get a little crazy sometimes?

Absolutely.

Has the liberal moderation of this forum contributed to it's success?

Absolutely.

HAIL the liberal, tolerant moderators of this forum.

I think as my future colleagues advance in their careers, they'll be more appreciative of tolerant administrators, like Noy and Venty.

Look at that that word again, colleagues:

Administrator

It very well may become a four-letter-word in your career, if you practice where administration is ignorant/strong handed/powerful/anti-MD/etc.

SO LEMME PUT THIS GANGSTA STYLE.....


QUIT THE SWOOP TACTICS. WE HAVE CHOSEN, FOR WHATEVER PERSONAL GRATIFICATION REASONS, TO CONTINUE CONTRIBUTING TO SDN ANESTHESIA. MANY MED STUDENTS/RESIDENTS ARE READING. AND LEARNING..

Remember the risk/benefit ratio you tell a patient about when they're having surgery?

I'll venture to say our risk is low.

And our benefit is high.

Thats a pretty good deal, Dr. Cox, since I ain't seein' the normal big C-notes to sit here typing on da computer.

Know what is hurtin' me?

Sounds like Noy, a rokkstar in this biz, is gettin' pressure for his accepting moderator strategy from the "other" administrators.

Noy/Venty have allowed this forum to be what it is. And they should be lauded, not ridiculed. Cuz ya know what, Dr Cox? Love it or hate it, SDN ANESTHESIA is a success. Please pull up the hit numbers. The left-clicks on this forum are all-telling.

So I ask you, colleagues....is this forum good? Have you benefitted from reading our posts? Are we making a difference in your professional lives/routines/thought-processes? Or at the very least, are we entertaining you?

If so, please say so, in support of our moderators. Cuz Noy is feelin' da heat right now.

Conversely, don't like it?

Please say so.

Either way, please post. In support/non-support of our efforts.

Geez. I said all that without one curse word (colorful, Mil.....colorful....)
 
I think there are two things that should get a thread deleted or locked:

1. It's written in ALL CAPS, all &*^%$ or otherwise meaningless sentences that are no longer readable or comprehensible to the average reader.
2. It threatens physical harm to an individual.

I think it turns out that if you apply both and only both of these criteria, you will end up leaving 99.5% of your threads alone. Arguments are fine as long as they are well written. Not all SDN arguments are well written, but most are.
 
I personally get annoyed when mods (god bless you all) get overzealous with the locking of threads and banning of members. Sure, it's a professional forum, but it's also a nice outlet for us all to be dudes first, and med students/doctors second.
 
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I'm fairly new to the forum but i havn't seen anything wrong with the "liberal" way it works except when mod's or admin's from other forums take actions :meanie:
good work from the mod's i'd say 👍
 
First, thanks for asking about what we think.

Second, this forum is a godsend. I'm a second year medical student, and I would say that SDN has given me a leg up on my classmates (I tell them about SDN though - not keeping this to myself!) and served as an extraordinary roadmap for me.

I've started shadowing EARLY (Jan. of first year) and got to meet all of my school's faculty on the heels of SDN Anesthesiology forum advice. The attendings think I'm a wunderkund because of topics that SDN discusses.

Don't change a thing. Is there anything really wrong with it?

dc
 
jetproppilot said:
OK, I'm going on record here (grin).

I've posted alot here. Real world shi.....sorry.....stuff....about the anesthesia biz that residents cannot, and will not find elsewhere. Anesthesia economics. Anesthesia real world (read: what really works but won't be performed by an academic attending) stuff.

But I'm also a controversial one when it comes to board ethics. I've been banned twice by SDN (non-anesthesia) moderators who swoop in after alerted by an ethics whistleblower.

I am respectful, and thankful, to non-MD posters on this board who return incessantly, offering contributions to the up-and-coming residents (JWK, Trinity, SDN1977, etc).

I am also encouraging to the up-and-comers to this profession....but am honest enough with them to call them out when I think it is necessary.

I am intolerant of trolls to this forum, much to my demise.

But lets get real here.

What is this forum for? Really?

This forum is primarily for resident physicians in anesthesia. Not for Jet. Not for Mil. Not for UT. Not for JWK/Trin/Ms SRNA/Ms Pharmacist etc etc.

We're here for the people that benefit from our posts.

The residents.

Venty. Sleep.

But ya know what?

WE (Mil, Noy, UT, Jet, JWK, Trin, SDN, etc) are a diverse group. WE are attendings, CRNAs, AAs, pharmacists....all with stories....professional stories, personal stories, success stories, failure stories.

WE are all professionals that have chosen, for whatever reason, to keep coming back to this forum.

And contributing to this forum.

And I'd venture to say that we are reaching to the anesthesia masses. Actually I'm sure of that, as Mil can attest to, from personal interactions that have occurred attesting to that fact.

SO YA KNOW WHAT NOY???

I KNOW, from experience, that we are making a difference with our internet posts.

I KNOW med students/residents are reading our posts.

I KNOW we are contributing in a positive fashion.

Do we get a little crazy sometimes?

Absolutely.

Has the liberal moderation of this forum contributed to it's success?

Absolutely.

HAIL the liberal, tolerant moderators of this forum.

I think as my future colleagues advance in their careers, they'll be more appreciative of tolerant administrators, like Noy and Venty.

Look at that that word again, colleagues:

Administrator

It very well may become a four-letter-word in your career, if you practice where administration is ignorant/strong handed/powerful/anti-MD/etc.

SO LEMME PUT THIS GANGSTA STYLE.....


QUIT THE SWOOP TACTICS. WE HAVE CHOSEN, FOR WHATEVER PERSONAL GRATIFICATION REASONS, TO CONTINUE CONTRIBUTING TO SDN ANESTHESIA. MANY MED STUDENTS/RESIDENTS ARE READING. AND LEARNING..

Remember the risk/benefit ratio you tell a patient about when they're having surgery?

I'll venture to say our risk is low.

And our benefit is high.

Thats a pretty good deal, Dr. Cox, since I ain't seein' the normal big C-notes to sit here typing on da computer.

Know what is hurtin' me?

Sounds like Noy, a rokkstar in this biz, is gettin' pressure for his accepting moderator strategy from the "other" administrators.

Noy/Venty have allowed this forum to be what it is. And they should be lauded, not ridiculed. Cuz ya know what, Dr Cox? Love it or hate it, SDN ANESTHESIA is a success. Please pull up the hit numbers. The left-clicks on this forum are all-telling.

So I ask you, colleagues....is this forum good? Have you benefitted from reading our posts? Are we making a difference in your professional lives/routines/thought-processes? Or at the very least, are we entertaining you?

If so, please say so, in support of our moderators. Cuz Noy is feelin' da heat right now.

Conversely, don't like it?

Please say so.

Either way, please post. In support/non-support of our efforts.

Geez. I said all that without one curse word (colorful, Mil.....colorful....)
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We, the mod crew for the gas-forum, really & truly appreciate your enthusiastic endorsement of our permissive style of moderation. Venty & myself have been around SDN a loooooong time & learned, the hard way, heavy-handedness just does not work - he11, it makes it worse! Furthermore, it stifles REAL interaction. My hope for this forum is for it to reflect, to some degree, the real world - face it, there are controversies & turf conflicts in the real world. Maybe by allowing controlled OPEN, even heated, debates here will prevent future gas-professionals from being blindsided by the professional world where they will work & have to survive.

As I am rapidly approaching 'attending status', I deeply appreciate the insight that folks like Noyac, JPP, Mil, UT & others provide - and they do so voluntarily through donating their very valuable time! They don't get any remuneration...he11, they don't get enough "Thank You's" in my opinion.

So, now that the sappy portion of the program is over - stay tuned...we, the moderation crew have a major announcement to make in the next few days that I know those that frequent our digs will LOVE hearing!
 
🙂 Keep up the good work. As for the "forum nazis"................F*CK EM' 🙂
 
jetproppilot said:
So I ask you, colleagues....is this forum good? Have you benefitted from reading our posts? Are we making a difference in your professional lives/routines/thought-processes? Or at the very least, are we entertaining you?

If so, please say so, in support of our moderators. Cuz Noy is feelin' da heat right now.

Conversely, don't like it?

Please say so.

Either way, please post. In support/non-support of our efforts.
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I'm an admin on another website (motorcycle related) so I have a bit of experience with this...we are experiencing exponential growth of members and are currently in the 10,000-20,000 area (approx 1/8th to 1/4th the size of SDN)...not a lot compared to a forum like this but it is a lot just the same…and it is a very active site. This is one of those forums that I read regularly, but don't often post to. I think that the (local) moderation by Noy has been great. I like the style and have found that there is generally very little reason to ban people and/or lock threads without something over the top happening. The moderation that I have seen from the admins of this site, I have to say, has been less than stellar (though again, I only read the Anesthesia sub forum so what I have seen has been limited to this area). Believe me when I say "I know how it is" to have to admin a growing forum with upwards of literally half-a-million threads to read through...you need good mods and you need to trust that they can do their jobs. There is no sense, as an admin, in going into an area of the forum that you don't usually frequent and start to lay down the law without first talking with the mods who are usually the ones who really know what is going on. It doesn’t appear, to me anyway, that the mods of this sub forum are contacted before the administrators take an action of their own. I could very well be wrong though and I’m just giving my impression. …as Dave (who I’ve actually met a few times but he doesn’t know that 😀) said “heavy-handedness just does not work” I’ve seen it time and time again over the years on different forums and it NEVER works. All in all, I wouldn’t say that the sub-forum mods are doing a “good” job with this mod style, but I would say that they are doing an ideal job with mod style…if it’s not illegal, a threat, or way way over some line then I like to see the posts stay…and that is what happens most of the time so I’m happy with the way it is being done!

And since I don't post on here much...to the attendings: Jet, Mil, UT, everyone else that I'm sure to forget...you get a big 👍 the help over the last few years has been invaluable and there is no greater resource for the budding, soon-to-be, med-school, intern, resident, oh-crap-I’m-in-practice-now-and-I-don’t-know-what-to-do anesthesiologist. So thanks to you!
 
jwk said:
I like the open forum and free discussion. I like the fact that even though I am not a physician, I can participate in threads that are of interest to me or that I think I might have some little particle of knowledge that might be useful here and there, or that I can contribute a perspective that might not otherwise have been thought of.

There are three moderators for the anesthesiology section. Between the three, they do a good job, and generally provide a balance when one of the three might get into the discussions a little more heavily than the others. At a certain point, when a thread gets out of hand or way off topic, it's closed.

And JPH (since you asked for it), what I don't like is moderators who are not assigned to this section butting into discussions they clearly don't understand and suspending users for nitpicky stuff when, again, they clearly don't understand the dynamics of the discussion at hand.

I'm a moderator on a couple of other medical forums - I can tell you that nothing irritates me more than a moderator from another section of the board cutting off an ongoing discussion that I'm clearly aware of the content since I have participated in the thread.

Let the discussions roll - let the anesthesia moderators do their thing as they have been - they're on here all the time and actively participate in many of the threads, including the controversial ones. They understand what's going on and why some topics hit a nerve more than others and why - others clearly don't. I assume they're capable of banning someone if the need arises, and several have needed that. Others have not, and that has almost always been done by a non-anesthesia moderator who just happens by.
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Agree with all of the above posters. I think Dave, vent, noy do a great job. the only time issues seem to arise is when folks who moderate other forums step in when they are not completely aware of the entire situation.

Shout out to all the contributors who really make this forum so valuable, such as jet, mil, ut, jwk, noy, venty among many others.
 
JPHazelton said:
And when have I ever done that?

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I didn't say you did - your first post of this thread said
JPHazelton said:
Let the non-gas mod bashing begin.
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JPHazelton said:
Anyone who read the threads in the mod forum can tell you that I could personally care less about what happens in other forums or how other mods want to run their show.

What I dont like is the initiation of threads like this one that are aimed at making other moderators look bad as a retaliation for the OP being told that no one agreed with him in the mod forum.
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Well, we can't see the posts in the moderator forum, can we? And the simple fact that you've chosen to post here kind of renders your "personally care less" point somewhat moot.

However, we know Noy, Venty and OMD, and they do a fine job without the occasional outside mod that we've never heard of coming in with a heavy hand and trying to settle things down and end up making it worse for all. Noyac's OP was actually pretty innocuous, and I probably wouldn't have responded at all, until your post showed up.

Take a guess whose side most of us will come down on in this little tiff?
 
JPHazelton said:
And when have I ever done that?

😕

This topic is a carry over from the moderator forum where the OP tried to rip on other mods for deleting posts where members called people "*****" and other like words. Your moderator thought that I was incorrect for deleting that word from the members post. He didnt like the fact that I stood up for myself.

Anyone who read the threads in the mod forum can tell you that I could personally care less about what happens in other forums or how other mods want to run their show.

What I dont like is the initiation of threads like this one that are aimed at making other moderators look bad as a retaliation for the OP being told that no one agreed with him in the mod forum.

Seems quite petty to me.

Again, I dont care what people want to do. But I dont feel that calling people "*****" is appropriate and I will ban it 10 of 10 times I see it in my forum. If you moderator doesnt want to, that is up to him.
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So if its up to Noy, why are you even here?

Why do other (non-anesthesia) moderators periodically swoop in here and ban people (uhhhhhhh.....that would be me...) without using what seems to be appropriate-chain-of-command....which would entail going through Noy/Venty/Dave?

I've been banned twice. Once for interacting with a negative, derogatory troll, and another for posting rap lyrics that contained profanity.

And Dr Cox has posted that I continually attempt to evade the profanity filter.

SO WHAT.

Reminds me of the other day when I got pulled over for the limosine tint I have on the windows of my monster truck. Kept thinking about how the officer could be spending his time better by patrolling the New Orleans areas where EIGHT shootings over Labor Day weekend occurred. Uhhh, Dude, once you guys can get the gangstas under control in this city, THEN waste your time and pull me over for the limosine tint. He didnt give me a ticket, but thats another story....

Geez, with all the time we spend here, and all the great stuff we post here, why does the fact that I like to use "colorful" language (as Mil put it) to invoke humor/add-emphasis result in some non-anesthesia moderator swooping in outta nowwhere and putting my account on hold?

Oh, sorry. The "swooping" administrators wouldnt know about the several prolific posters here. Since you're only here to periodically lay down the law or respond to a post/concept that got under your skin.

Why not concentrate your (swoop-tactic) efforts on removing troublemakers instead of writing speeding tickets to prolific, well-intended posters?
 
JPHazelton said:
This topic is a carry over from the moderator forum where the OP tried to rip on other mods for deleting posts where members called people "*****" and other like words.
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😱

we can swear now without fear of repercussion? holy ****! (guess not.)
 
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VolatileAgent said:
okay, i'll bite. why didn't you get a ticket, jet?
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I told him that one week a month I frequently had to respond to the hospital for emergencies in the middle of the night. Now remember, Volatile, my hospital is just several blocks away from where several multi-shootings went down........uhhhh, a month ago, a gangsta killed five dudes in a car....gotta give him credit, though, for strategic thought....he capped the driver of the car in the head first..knowing that would stop the car so he could methodically kill the rest of the clan...

with that multi-murder fresh in this city's memory, and status-post eight shootings over Labor Day weekend with a cuppla innocent bystanders 187ed by stray bullets (I aint makin' this s hi t up, folks) I told the cop I felt safer driving to the hospital at 3am in my truck since da gangstas will have a hard time getting a head-shot on me since....uhhh...they cant see me....gangstas ain't used to aiming for a dome shot into a limosine-tinted-driver's-window on a nine-inch-lifted, black Yukon-XL...😀

"See ya later, Doc," he said, and walked back to his cruiser.

Sad thing is...yeah, of course the all-the-way-around limosine tint is primarily aesthetically driven...but at 3am in this violent city, coming to a stop at a red light at 3am (before I bump it, btw), I feel safer.
 
JPHazelton said:
And when have I ever done that?

😕

This topic is a carry over from the moderator forum where the OP tried to rip on other mods for deleting posts where members called people "*****" and other like words. Your moderator thought that I was incorrect for deleting that word from the members post. He didnt like the fact that I stood up for myself.

Anyone who read the threads in the mod forum can tell you that I could personally care less about what happens in other forums or how other mods want to run their show.

What I dont like is the initiation of threads like this one that are aimed at making other moderators look bad as a retaliation for the OP being told that no one agreed with him in the mod forum.

Seems quite petty to me.

Again, I dont care what people want to do. But I dont feel that calling people "*****" is appropriate and I will ban it 10 of 10 times I see it in my forum. If you moderator doesnt want to, that is up to him.
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Here are my 2 posts in the mod forum which JPH is refering to:

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and:

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And then this is my post regarding the c*nt thread;

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So JPH, where did I say it was OK to use the c*nt term? Where did I "rip" someone for deleting that one? And if you think nobody agreed with me then go back read this by psisci:

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You have a lot to learn. Learning to read is a good place foryou to start. Now Stay out of the anesthesia forum and stick to school until you are educated. Oh, wait, we kicked you out of our forum as a moderator.
 
My $.02 from the non-physician side:

I don't think it's the mod's job to police personalities and egos....we can always take that outside. Fine job like it is..👍
As far as the speech....jeez.........it's the USfukinA....freedom of speech...those people just need to change the channel if they don't like what they see!
 
I'm a fourth year med student that obsessively checks all of the posts here, and I think that this is by far the best forum on SDN. The rest are too heavily moderated, and don't have the type of posters that you have here. Besides, I doubt that too many children are coming here and learning new profanity. They are probably too busy with all of the cooler and hipper porn sites and myspace.
 
Noyac said:
Here are my 2 posts in the mod forum which JPH is refering to:

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and:

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And then this is my post regarding the c*nt thread;

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So JPH, where did I say it was OK to use the c*nt term? Where did I "rip" someone for deleting that one? And if you think nobody agreed with me then go back read this by psisci:

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You have a lot to learn. Learning to read is a good place foryou to start. Now Stay out of the anesthesia forum and stick to school until you are educated. Oh, wait, we kicked you out of our forum as a moderator.
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Sorry the "PC Police" arrived too soon. But, we, the anesthesiology forums are now a fully independent website & are full partners with SDN. The ONLY moderators here are Noyac, Venty & myself. Lee is the ONLY Admin.

Now, please understand that we're conducting a grand experiment & Lee has been most gracious & trusting to allow us to venture out on our own. Why? Because we run a damned good forum, provide excellent insight & very valuable information - and have a very good time doing it.

We, the "3 Amigos" plan to essentially keep things the way they have been. Let's just not get too carried away with our freedom, blow our wad & get grounded!

WELCOME to the new & independent GasForums.net!!!!!!
 
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Question: now that you anesthesia folks have your own forum run (almost) entirely by your own mods.... is the private forum still really neccesary?

Granted from what I've seen, the quality of the posts in the general section is still top-notch and that makes me wonder what type of super posts exist over the fence.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Question: now that you anesthesia folks have your own forum run (almost) entirely by your own mods.... is the private forum still really neccesary?

Granted from what I've seen, the quality of the posts in the general section is still top-notch and that makes me wonder what type of super posts exist over the fence.
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Hey man! We've only existed a mere 12 hours...we have some fine tuning to do! :laugh: We will certainly consider your constructive criticism.
 
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This is so friggin' hypocritical it's crazy. I do certainly hope that you three guys DO keep it aboveboard.

What is the hypocrisy? Someone complained to a mod about something, and it was discussed in the mods' forum, and then several of them openly made fun of that person by changing their descriptions - when you saw "way rude and dictator" on EvoDevo, tkim, MollyMalone, KentW, and a few others, and "buncha bullcrabs" on Kimberli Cox and Lee Burnett, this was making fun of the person that PM'd. When I brought it up, cpw said it was "an inside joke". What it tells me is that certain of the mods on SDN have no problem making fun of the people that make up SDN. And, like in Reefer Madness - who is next? you? or You? Or YOU?

And it still goes on - tkim has a corruption of "super moderator", and Lee Burnett has his "Admonistrator". Now, Lee is a standup guy, and has been nothing but great for SDN - period, but I think that a bunch of the mods now don't meet the standard, and, as I said, are a clique. I mean, it's just like when you conscript soldiers or double the size of police - lower quality people slip through.

So don't let gasforums become a cliqueish hole with a "members only" attitude and secret handshake.

Someone had asked why the EM forum didn't get trolled nearly as much as the anesthesia forum, and there isn't a clear answer, although one thing may be that we (in EM), when someone trolls us, agree with whomever it is, stealing their power (like the obscene caller who calls, and the person on the other end says, "Really, like, right now? Where can we meet!?"), or like the person that is proud of what someone else might consider embarassing.

This is not to say you gas guys haven't done that - just something we do. Although a lot of my job is IM, I've still always felt more kinship with the gas guys.

Sorry for the long post.
 
Apollyon said:
This is so friggin' hypocritical it's crazy. I do certainly hope that you three guys DO keep it aboveboard.

What is the hypocrisy? Someone complained to a mod about something, and it was discussed in the mods' forum, and then several of them openly made fun of that person by changing their descriptions - when you saw "way rude and dictator" on EvoDevo, tkim, MollyMalone, KentW, and a few others, and "buncha bullcrabs" on Kimberli Cox and Lee Burnett, this was making fun of the person that PM'd. When I brought it up, cpw said it was "an inside joke". What it tells me is that certain of the mods on SDN have no problem making fun of the people that make up SDN. And, like in Reefer Madness - who is next? you? or You? Or YOU?

And it still goes on - tkim has a corruption of "super moderator", and Lee Burnett has his "Admonistrator". Now, Lee is a standup guy, and has been nothing but great for SDN - period, but I think that a bunch of the mods now don't meet the standard, and, as I said, are a clique. I mean, it's just like when you conscript soldiers or double the size of police - lower quality people slip through.

So don't let gasforums become a cliqueish hole with a "members only" attitude and secret handshake.

Someone had asked why the EM forum didn't get trolled nearly as much as the anesthesia forum, and there isn't a clear answer, although one thing may be that we (in EM), when someone trolls us, agree with whomever it is, stealing their power (like the obscene caller who calls, and the person on the other end says, "Really, like, right now? Where can we meet!?"), or like the person that is proud of what someone else might consider embarassing.

This is not to say you gas guys haven't done that - just something we do. Although a lot of my job is IM, I've still always felt more kinship with the gas guys.

Sorry for the long post.
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Don't apologize for a long post when it is this quality. 👍
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Question: now that you anesthesia folks have your own forum run (almost) entirely by your own mods.... is the private forum still really neccesary?

Granted from what I've seen, the quality of the posts in the general section is still top-notch and that makes me wonder what type of super posts exist over the fence.
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I gotta say that the posts over there are not nearly as informative as it is here. That is not to take away from the private forum at all. I just think the more interesting stuff gets posted here. I still think its fine to have the private forum so that anesthesiologists can openly discuss things that they can't really discuss here, with this being public. Mostly we are just plotting to take over the world over there. Nothing big!
 
Noyac said:
I gotta say that the posts over there are not nearly as informative as it is here. That is not to take away from the private forum at all. I just think the more interesting stuff gets posted here. I still think its fine to have the private forum so that anesthesiologists can openly discuss things that they can't really discuss here, with this being public. Mostly we are just plotting to take over the world over there. Nothing big!
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Fair enough. While you're at it, can I have Madagascar... I've heard lemur is tasty.
 
OldManDave said:
We, the mod crew for the gas-forum, really & truly appreciate your enthusiastic endorsement of our permissive style of moderation. Venty & myself have been around SDN a loooooong time & learned, the hard way, heavy-handedness just does not work - he11, it makes it worse! Furthermore, it stifles REAL interaction. My hope for this forum is for it to reflect, to some degree, the real world - face it, there are controversies & turf conflicts in the real world. Maybe by allowing controlled OPEN, even heated, debates here will prevent future gas-professionals from being blindsided by the professional world where they will work & have to survive.

As I am rapidly approaching 'attending status', I deeply appreciate the insight that folks like Noyac, JPP, Mil, UT & others provide - and they do so voluntarily through donating their very valuable time! They don't get any remuneration...he11, they don't get enough "Thank You's" in my opinion.

So, now that the sappy portion of the program is over - stay tuned...we, the moderation crew have a major announcement to make in the next few days that I know those that frequent our digs will LOVE hearing!
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Another long-time SDN'er here and other forum moderator. I echo OldManDave's sentiments about the "art of moderation." Less is more. There are clear "out-of-bounds" behaviors from a user agreement point of view and sometimes a moderator needs to step in and deliver the smack down when conversations get too stupid. But, these interventions should be rare. People *WANT* to come to a forum where there is some honest exchange of contentious ideas and points of view. That makes it interesting. Kudo's to the Anesthesiology moderators! I think that they do a fine job.

Also, I've always considered it "moderator ettiquete" to not over-moderate in other forums. Sure, if I see someone posting advertisements or engaging clear troll-like behavior I'll step in. But, who am I to say if a discussion about CRNA's versus Anesthesiologists is out of bounds?? I'm just an old-fashioned country physiatrist doing a pain fellowship... 🙂
 
drusso said:
Another long-time SDN'er here and other forum moderator. I echo OldManDave's sentiments about the "art of moderation." Less is more. There are clear "out-of-bounds" behaviors from a user agreement point of view and sometimes a moderator needs to step in and deliver the smack down when conversations get too stupid. But, these interventions should be rare. People *WANT* to come to a forum where there is some honest exchange of contentious ideas and points of view. That makes it interesting. Kudo's to the Anesthesiology moderators! I think that they do a fine job.

Also, I've always considered it "moderator ettiquete" to not over-moderate in other forums. Sure, if I see someone posting advertisements or engaging clear troll-like behavior I'll step in. But, who am I to say if a discussion about CRNA's versus Anesthesiologists is out of bounds?? I'm just an old-fashioned country physiatrist doing a pain fellowship... 🙂
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Hey Drusso, where were you in the mods forum when I was saying the same thing and getting the whole mod world in an uproar? Just kidding, 😉 I knew that I had some suppoort out there even if it was silent.

thanks for the comments. 👍
 
I enjoy this forum. As a lowly CA-1, I find lots of interesting ideas that I tuck into the back of my head for use at a later date. Some threads also give me a new way of looking at things.

Can't stand the stupid flames that break out from time to time and I hope that this move will decrease that.
 
FANTASTIC!! Now lets git back to it:

Have any of you ketamine IM darted an uncooperative 40 yr old developmentally delayed dude commin in for an arm angiogram.

That was my anesthestic plan till the garbage case got yanked from me.

I was gonna have my buddy drop a bunch of spoons on the pt's right then I'd dart him in his glutes as he turned that way.

See him in 5 min to start the IV and wheel him to the x-ray room where my anesthesiology machine waits.
 
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VentdependenT said:
FANTASTIC!! Now lets git back to it:

Have any of you ketamine IM darted an uncooperative 40 yr old developmentally delayed dude commin in for an arm angiogram.

That was my anesthestic plan till the garbage case got yanked from me.

I was gonna have my buddy drop a bunch of spoons on the pt's right then I'd dart him in his glutes as he turned that way.

See him in 5 min to start the IV and wheel him to the x-ray room where my anesthesiology machine waits.
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Not 40 year old, but late adolescent.
 
VentdependenT said:
FANTASTIC!! Now lets git back to it:

Have any of you ketamine IM darted an uncooperative 40 yr old developmentally delayed dude commin in for an arm angiogram.

That was my anesthestic plan till the garbage case got yanked from me.

I was gonna have my buddy drop a bunch of spoons on the pt's right then I'd dart him in his glutes as he turned that way.

See him in 5 min to start the IV and wheel him to the x-ray room where my anesthesiology machine waits.
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We have a couple of dentists who do full mouth dental restorations on DD adults on a weekly basis. Some of these patients are uncooperative so I have used this technique many times.

If they are allowed to keep their clothes on and are accompanied by their caretaker, most of these patients will tolerate a mask induction and sometimes even an IV. They are fasted and hungry and you can often get them to focus on a postprocedure meal by telling them if they cooperate they can go to IHOP or Denny's or whatever afterwards.

However, if they are completely uncooperative, I use the ketamine dart, 300-400mg IM. First, I explain my plan to the caretaker. Then I approach the patient from behind and inject the deltoid right through their shirt. If they ever see the needle/syringe, the game is over. If you uncover the arm or butt and use an alcohol prep, they know what's coming and the game is over. Done quickly, the needle's out before they know what's happened. Works very well.

One of my partners has darted someone in their van in the hospital parking lot because the patient refused to get out. I would say come back another day after some PO sedatives.
 
I've tried to use the ole ketamine dart for two years now....😡

My attendings have gotten in the mode of using intranasal versed for problematic patients. Our OR pharmacy has 1mg / 1ml but the upstairs main pharm has 10 mg / 1ml. A quick shot and its a done deal. Of the adult idiots that present to preop that refuse an IV prior to induction, they get this and then don't give a rip what we do to them.

Of all the mentally challenged kids I've induced, it was by mask in a hospital wheelchair if rather large, either the ya'll-hold-em-down technique, or in my lap if smaller. Now that I say that, the last 3 year old was a wild man and kicked me square in the balls. And the last wheelchair kid we did was too obsessed with the circ RN's breasts that I don't even think he knew he went to sleep. Hope he had good dreams..:laugh:

Anybody else use intranasal versed?
 
rn29306 said:
My attendings have gotten in the mode of using intranasal versed for problematic patients. Our OR pharmacy has 1mg / 1ml but the upstairs main pharm has 10 mg / 1ml. A quick shot and its a done deal. Of the adult idiots that present to preop that refuse an IV prior to induction, they get this and then don't give a rip what we do to them.
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Referring to these patients or any others as idiots is uncalled for and simply reflects poorly on yourself.
 
proman said:
Referring to these patients or any others as idiots is uncalled for and simply reflects poorly on yourself.
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I was not referring to any mentally challenged persons as 'idiots'. Had you bothered to read the post, you would have seen that...but I dunno.

I assume you give anesthesia in an ivory tower, where your private insurance normal adults with normal GCS scores come into the preop area and are perfect patients, from preop to PACU and home.

Yet, at a county level 1, we get adults who, despite about to have major whatever surgery with a 4 week recovery alone, won't let an IV be started in preop and start to rile up the entire Preop area with their shinanigans. Crying and boohooing like you would not believe. You have got to be kidding me. Intranasal versed, when pt refuses PO versed, works very well in these circumstances.

Let me spell it out for you:
The second line of my first post describes these above mentioned adults. Yes I called them idiots.
The fifth line of my first post explains what the group does for mentally challenged individuals, whom I did not call idiots.

Yes, I call unrealistic people idiots sometimes. Perhaps not PC, but spade is a spade.
 
rn29306 said:
Let me spell it out for you:
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Your above quote is where you lost me on your post.

You are, uhhh, whatever you are, speaking to the moderator of this forum, who happens to be a board-certified anesthesiologist....and yeah....theres some MD dudes out there that don't deserve respect....

...but you've picked the wrong dude to say let me spell it out for you to.

Noyac is the real deal.

You dont have to post let me spell it out for you to him.

We know the game, Slim. We know the clinical s hi t.

We know da biz.

Take your arrogant posts elsewhere.
 
VA Hopeful Dr said:
Question: now that you anesthesia folks have your own forum run (almost) entirely by your own mods.... is the private forum still really neccesary?

Granted from what I've seen, the quality of the posts in the general section is still top-notch and that makes me wonder what type of super posts exist over the fence.
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no super-posts over the fence, bro.

We're keepin' the real-world-stuff here.

I think the private forum is cool, we can chat about stuff here-and-there, but da-meat is still posted here in the live forum.
 
jetproppilot said:
Your above quote is where you lost me on your post.

You are, uhhh, whatever you are, speaking to the moderator of this forum, who happens to be a board-certified anesthesiologist....and yeah....theres some MD dudes out there that don't deserve respect....

...but you've picked the wrong dude to say let me spell it out for you to.

Noyac is the real deal.

You dont have to post let me spell it out for you to him.

We know the game, Slim. We know the clinical s hi t.

We know da biz.

Take your arrogant posts elsewhere.
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Show me where I was talking to Noyac Jet.

I wasn't.

Talking to proman. Read the post dude. You are so quick to defend your friends, which I admire to some extent, but unjustified in this instance.
 
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