What's the deal with interviewer feedback?

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From what I've heard from others and experienced, it seems like interviewers either: 1) tell you what they think of your app, 2) tell you how much they do want you at the program (or where they think you'd be better off), or 3) are completely stoic and give you no vibe--positive or negative.

What's the deal? Any comments, stories, or weird experiences? Anyone receive feedback after interviews yet? One PD said they'd be emailing in late January...
 
I have gotten one email after an interview but that was at a program I rotated at. I have gotten a few comments about my letters of rec, but mostly a lot of stoic interviews. Has anyone gotten any phone calls after an interview? Do most programs call the people they are considering ranking? This whole process is starting to make me a little batty. :laugh:
 
I've heard about a lot of slick and slimy program selling in some other specialties, but all of my EM interviews have been pretty up front. The interviewers are polite, friendly, and enthusiastic about their program, but don't get their toes even close to the line of promise-making. Which, ironically, I actually prefer. I don't want to end up at a program where the staff don't take match ethics seriously.
 
It seems from what I am hearing, that while other specialities less competitive than EM get stronger indications from people about whether they are interested or not, in EM most people are tight-lipped. Sometimes one of the interviewers other than the PD says something really encouraging like I hope you will consider us or come here but that is pretty much it from my meager experiences. Of course I have most of mine left for January so who knows what will happen.
Drakken
 
"I hope you consider us" is pretty much the majority of the feedback I've gotten at interviews. I've had one associate PD say "you'd do well here," but I think many people who interviewed their would...so I don't put much stock in it.
 
"I hope you consider us" is pretty much the majority of the feedback I've gotten at interviews. I've had one associate PD say "you'd do well here," but I think many people who interviewed their would...so I don't put much stock in it.

It seems to me that there is a typical course of the disease "Matchitis". In the first 3 years it seems to be relatively quiescent followed by an flair that goes through stages that generally last about 7 months:
1. "Do I have enough interviews?" Obsession over the number of interviews, how fast they can be obtained, and does the patient have more or less than his/her fellow sufferers.
2. "Did they love me?" Sufferers attempt to read meanings into simple statements while exhibiting behaviors characterized by travel and spree spending. Advanced cases attempt to force love with elaborate concerns about the exchange of thank you notes. Severe cases attempt "second visits".
3. "How should I rank?" is the penultimate stage. Sufferers take the often incorrect conclusions they developed during the "love me" stage and construct elaborate circular scenarios that start "If I do this, he'll do this. . .therefore instead I should do this . . .but what if . . ."
4. "After the rank list". At this point some sufferers have a remission, but the majority spend their time in small rooms flipping their lower lip up and down saying "ebeedeeebeedeeebeedee. . .".

The crisis occurs in the third week in March and is followed by quick cure in the majority of cases. Unfortunately a small minority go on to "scramblenodosa". A few who are cured are bothered by residual testosterone poisoning (for the Marine version see Panda's and Corpsman's argument over nothing circa April last year).

Unforunately, Matchitis cannot be cured in less than 7 months and the fact that the crisis and resolution always occur in late march suggest that this is a variant of SAD. As such, I intend to propose it to the APA for the next version of the DSM so that the shrinks can charge to treat you crazies. 😀

Alleviation of symptoms while waiting for resolution can be accomplished by remembering a few things:

1. You are in the driver's seat, not the programs. If past is prologue, the majority of EM applicants get their first choice and something like 77% match to specialty. AMGs considerably higher. See these threads:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=266459

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=267944

2. EM interviewers are likely to be neutral because we're tired, same as you. We've got hundreds of applications to parse, then 50-200 interviews to do. In addition, most of those interviewees will make great Docs and we know it. We have little fear of not filling, therefore we are not likely to use the sales tactics that are seen in some other specialties. On the other hand we have to do lots of interviews (apparently the average is about 10 per slot) to be sure we aren't in the scramble.

3. Don't try to overthink this. Don't rank other than in the order you really would like. It is to your advantage to influence the program, but not to ours to be influenced to put our list in other than in our true order. We know that you only have one first choice and that many fall in love with each program as they interview. But it's really often only infatuation (see Corpsman's journal last year 😉 ). Insincerity on your part is usually pretty obvious. I think most of us understand that you're have little choice and will not ding you on that basis.

In short matchitis can be cured and only temporarily renders the sufferer hideous. 👍 After the cure, the new doctor becomes his/her normal lovable self.😍
 
finally, the ailment that i've been suffering from has a name: matchitis

acceptance is the first step to recovery, although i suspect this will be self-limiting.

thanks bkn!
 
That was great BKN - as a 4th year MS I never really contracted the second stage of Matchitis. As a resident though I have seen it first hand. I was thinking that instead of putting up my email address for applicants to contact me I should put up my home address. You never know but maybe they will send a nice fruit basket or something.

I would also attest that there is a pre-matchitis affliction for some applicants which would be known as the "top-program" variant. Symptoms include obsession over which "top-programs" to apply to and program rankings in particular regions.

Going backwards at the end of third year there is another condition associated with wanting to know if your grades are good enough to get into EM. End of second year there is a great deal of anxiety associated with Step 1. The begining of 1st year is perhaps the most anxiety provoking time of your life as you are thrust into the fire of medical school. College applicants are obsessed with the MCAT and applications. Now that I really think about it by the time medical students get to the match they have been stressed out by one thing or another since Jr year of college.
 
Thank you for the reply BKN. I have to add that Matchitis is contagious to immediate family as well. I currently have a bad case which has unfortunately infected my husband and kids as well. I wish I didn't have to wait until March to be cured!
 
Hey BKN,

Thanks! But don't forget, some people have a small relapse, albeit usually less severe, about three years later. Worst hit seem to be those "going academic" and "large practice group" joiners seem to relatively unaffected by this relapse.

- H
 
It seems to me that there is a typical course of the disease "Matchitis". In the first 3 years it seems to be relatively quiescent followed by an flair that goes through stages that generally last about 7 months:
1. "Do I have enough interviews?" Obsession over the number of interviews, how fast they can be obtained, and does the patient have more or less than his/her fellow sufferers.
2. "Did they love me?" Sufferers attempt to read meanings into simple statements while exhibiting behaviors characterized by travel and spree spending. Advanced cases attempt to force love with elaborate concerns about the exchange of thank you notes. Severe cases attempt "second visits".
3. "How should I rank?" is the penultimate stage. Sufferers take the often incorrect conclusions they developed during the "love me" stage and construct elaborate circular scenarios that start "If I do this, he'll do this. . .therefore instead I should do this . . .but what if . . ."
4. "After the rank list". At this point some sufferers have a remission, but the majority spend their time in small rooms flipping their lower lip up and down saying "ebeedeeebeedeeebeedee. . .".

The crisis occurs in the third week in March and is followed by quick cure in the majority of cases. Unfortunately a small minority go on to "scramblenodosa". A few who are cured are bothered by residual testosterone poisoning (for the Marine version see Panda's and Corpsman's argument over nothing circa April last year).

Unforunately, Matchitis cannot be cured in less than 7 months and the fact that the crisis and resolution always occur in late march suggest that this is a variant of SAD. As such, I intend to propose it to the APA for the next version of the DSM so that the shrinks can charge to treat you crazies. 😀

Alleviation of symptoms while waiting for resolution can be accomplished by remembering a few things:

1. You are in the driver's seat, not the programs. If past is prologue, the majority of EM applicants get their first choice and something like 77% match to specialty. AMGs considerably higher. See these threads:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=266459

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=267944

2. EM interviewers are likely to be neutral because we're tired, same as you. We've got hundreds of applications to parse, then 50-200 interviews to do. In addition, most of those interviewees will make great Docs and we know it. We have little fear of not filling, therefore we are not likely to use the sales tactics that are seen in some other specialties. On the other hand we have to do lots of interviews (apparently the average is about 10 per slot) to be sure we aren't in the scramble.

3. Don't try to overthink this. Don't rank other than in the order you really would like. It is to your advantage to influence the program, but not to ours to be influenced to put our list in other than in our true order. We know that you only have one first choice and that many fall in love with each program as they interview. But it's really often only infatuation (see Corpsman's journal last year 😉 ). Insincerity on your part is usually pretty obvious. I think most of us understand that you're have little choice and will not ding you on that basis.

In short matchitis can be cured and only temporarily renders the sufferer hideous. 👍 After the cure, the new doctor becomes his/her normal lovable self.😍

:laugh: :laugh: Hilarious!

Anyone NOT going through matchitis?? To be honest, I have been chilling out in Mexico for 3 weeks and my concern is simply to check my email often. Maybe I am just saving up energy for severe matchitis that will require hospitalization and sedation but no signs of it just yet. Surely there must be others enjoying this time of year.😕 😕 (This is in no way being smug. I am sure it sucks and I just jinxed myself.)
 
I heard there is an experimental treatment for Matchitis, but it's very difficult to find in EM: a pre-match offer! 🙂
 
I heard there is an experimental treatment for Matchitis, but it's very difficult to find in EM: a pre-match offer! 🙂

I always thought this was an interesting concept. Who would you accept it from. Obviously your 1st choice. What about your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th? I would have a hard time accepting a prematch offer from my 4th and maybe even 3rd. Similar feeling to when I leave a blackjack or craps table without going broke, could the next hand have THE ONE?!? Should I have held out for the big win (1st choice for residency)? We will never know. I will stop rambling. Will not ever happen.
 
Is Matchitis a purely psychiatric diagnosis?
 
Should I seek treatment from my favorite program director? Or, will he/she just slap me in the face and call it a day?
 
Should I seek treatment from my favorite program director? Or, will he/she just slap me in the face and call it a day?

Well, i don't know. Some feel a good slap in the face is the perfect temporizing measure until the cure arrives in the envelope. But I fear that it actually treats the PD. 😉
 
Alright, I am taking a page out of sleepymed's book and resurrecting this thread. I thought I was out of the woods after I finished stage 1, I was feeling pretty good and wanted after most interviews. But now in retrospect every recruiting effort seems shallow, and I have visions of the PDs of my top programs giving me weird looks and thinking that they don't like me... :scared:
 
Practicing emergency medicine is like carefully lining up a putt, then dropping the putter, picking up a tennis racket to return a volley or two, quickly side-stepping an onrushing tackler, and then returning to sink the putt.


Classic! :laugh:
 
the incredibly intelligence and wit of BKN. all those matching should take note. 😀
 
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