What's up with ASDOH rejecting people like mad??

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Everytime I browse predents in preparation for next yr's cycle, I always see ASDOH in almost everyone's rejection column and with an EARLY rejection too, some as early as Aug 30??

strict state school or something?
 
ASDOH is a private school. They are looking for specific qualities in applicants. In the past, they have looked for applicants who are interested in public health. They like applicants who have a history of public service and are interested in community denistry. Grades and DAT scores are kind of secondary in importance.
 
Everytime I browse predents in preparation for next yr's cycle, I always see ASDOH in almost everyone's rejection column and with an EARLY rejection too, some as early as Aug 30??

strict state school or something?
I would just call them efficient they average like 50 applicant per seat which means they have a lot of applications to go through. it is best for all involved to get an answer as soon as possible.
 
I would just call them efficient they average like 50 applicant per seat which means they have a lot of applications to go through. it is best for all involved to get an answer as soon as possible.

I as well agree. I would prefer getting rejected in August than waiting until March or May to find out.👎
 
those jerks rejected me two weeks after my interview there. I dont know what they are looking for, I have a butt load of community service and competetive stats.... I also worked for one of their faculty dentists for two years, he even spoke with the admissions committee to talk me up...did absolutely no good. I think they are crazy and it is a complete crap shoot to try and get in there.....
 
ASDOH is a great school- they get almost more applicants per seat than anyone. Their technology is as new as the school and they are in a great area. Still, I bumped my Oct interview to December after acceptance letters from other schools come out because I know several people who put down $3,000 to hold their spot and then got accepted do their top picks later and wasted $3,000. So if you have gotten play from schools that you value more- then be glad that you didn't have to gamble 3 grand.
 
Another one bites the dust - saw it on my AADSAS account this afternoon.
 
well..... >2500 apps for 54 seats...yeah, they need to stock up on paper as it will be rejection city central...by the way, i already got my rejection letter and moved on.....
-ld
 
My AADSAS got updated to APPLICATION DENIED today. Too bad.
 
Not sure they should be rejecting numerous 22-24's when their avg's 18.x. They seem to be preferentially taking lower scores. Makes me wonder how they'll ever be a premier school when they don't try to recruit the best students.
 
Not sure they should be rejecting numerous 22-24's when their avg's 18.x. They seem to be preferentially taking lower scores. Makes me wonder how they'll ever be a premier school when they don't try to recruit the best students.
An applicant's DAT score is not their top priority. They are looking for other things in an applicant that those 22-24s don't have. And I don't think they're too concerned about being a "premier school;" they have plenty of applicants to their program
 
Strange. I didn't even submit the supplementary and mine just changed to Received/Under Review. I guess they're holding out for my application fee.
 
My status says that they are waiting for my LORs, but all other schools have received them already from my ungrad school. Does ASDOH require the LORs be sent by AADSAS?
 
call the school (some 1-800 number for their midwest campus, which you can find online). I had the LOR problem too. They actually had all of my letters on file (as well as my DAT scores), but they didn't have it put in the computer, so they hadn't processed it.
 
An applicant's DAT score is not their top priority. They are looking for other things in an applicant that those 22-24s don't have. And I don't think they're too concerned about being a "premier school;" they have plenty of applicants to their program

well, if they continue to preferentially accept lower scores, then they'll continue to receive the most applications in the country. Reason being there are more 18's in the country than there are 22's. I don't doubt the main reasons they get so many applications are that they're a private school and they have a lower DAT avg.
 
well, if they continue to preferentially accept lower scores, then they'll continue to receive the most applications in the country. Reason being there are more 18's in the country than there are 22's. I don't doubt the main reasons they get so many applications are that they're a private school and they have a lower DAT avg.
I would agree that more people apply there for the reasons that you have said- but I'm also told that it is in a fantastic area, the technology is the very latest and $158,720 isn't terrible for out of state tuition considering the fact that Arizona cost of living is cheap also.
 
just to add to the discussion, the first year budget is actually close to 80K so its actually comparable to other private schools. i believe the 4 year total is close to 280K.

tuition by itself does not fully represent the cost of dental school (ie fees + cost of living)
 
just to add to the discussion, the first year budget is actually close to 80K so its actually comparable to other private schools. i believe the 4 year total is close to 280K.

tuition by itself does not fully represent the cost of dental school (ie fees + cost of living)

from predents.com and ADEA:

4 Yr Total Tuition (Out state)$158,720

add on your standard of living and that should give you an idea of how much it costs to go to ASDOH.
 
and ppl at ADSOH are unusually attractive. dental students AND all the other health students. go there if you want a hot wife.
 
anyone as excited as me to hear from them dec 1st?
 
Hey i interviewed there 10/29, and have yet to receive their status letter. And i was just checking aadsas today, and saw "received/ application denied". So does that pretty much mean i'm rejected?

If anybody knows, please let me know.
thanks
 
I'd say its a rejection...

I got that from Ohio State right around the same time I got a rejection email.
 
I interviewed there also....Just got rejected. I have some pretty good stats too. The interview was probably the smoothest one I've had as well, at least I thought it was.
 
i really wonder why they aren't looking for higher scores. what they're doing really doesn't send the right message... a brand new school doesn't want the best [academic] students. they're setting themselves up to be academic lightweights in the future.
 
ASDOH is different. It shouldn't hurt anyone's pride if they get rejected by a school that doesn't follow the usual trends. They get so many applicants per seat (look up the stats on predents) that they will never have to worry about getting exactly what they want from the application pool. Does it surprise anyone that there are schools out there who don't want the "nerds who focus on their school work too much?" They are looking for students who have an intense drive to help out their local community (you can't get this while keeping a 4.0- trust me) in more ways than just opening up a dental office. ASDOH was created by the "A.T. Still University"- the creators of the first Osteopathic Medical School. If you understand the focus of D.O. schools you will see why they are not shooting for the nerds- they are truly starting something different in Dentistry as they did in Medical school. They are looking for certain genuine qualities in their applicants who already appreciate "service before self". Check out their website (in depth) rather than just take a hit to your ego and hate them. They are different, refreshing, all about technology, they are the Anti-Harvard- and nerds are not what they are looking for.
 
ASDOH is different. It shouldn't hurt anyone's pride if they get rejected by a school that doesn't follow the usual trends. They get so many applicants per seat (look up the stats on predents) that they will never have to worry about getting exactly what they want from the application pool. Does it surprise anyone that there are schools out there who don't want the "nerds who focus on their school work too much?" They are looking for students who have an intense drive to help out their local community (you can't get this while keeping a 4.0- trust me) in more ways than just opening up a dental office. ASDOH was created by the "A.T. Still University"- the creators of the first Osteopathic Medical School. If you understand the focus of D.O. schools you will see why they are not shooting for the nerds- they are truly starting something different in Dentistry as they did in Medical school. They are looking for certain genuine qualities in their applicants who already appreciate "service before self". Check out their website (in depth) rather than just take a hit to your ego and hate them. They are different, refreshing, all about technology, they are the Anti-Harvard- and nerds are not what they are looking for.

Well said.
 
The students at ASDOH all seem so happy. That means a lot to me. I like to save time and learn from the experiences of others. My buddy at UCSF is stressed all the time and never even has time for much of LIFE.
 
I just got my rejection letter from them and I visited the school recently as I'm out of state. My DAT score was well above the 18s people are saying they are accepting.

Now I don't know about everyone here but for me Phoenix was nothing to write home about. It has some cool places near Tempe and Arizona State but for the most part it's extremely dry, desert, and everything is pretty spread out. Lots of brown so if you like plants and greenery, this isn't the place for you.

I had mix feelings about the school. Again the school is located on a plot of desert and there isn't much to their facility. I think they had maybe 4 lecture halls and most of the faculty is made up of local dentists who rotate in and out. They told me they cover gross anatomy in 3 weeks where most schools have a whole semestar of gross. It's kinda cool in that you are only taught and tested on what you need to know for the boards but it also seems really fast paced and I can't imagine not having long standing professors who can help you throughout your entire schooling.

As for everything being state of the art....I've been to about 5 schools now and ATSU does have a new building and a nice sim lab. However, most of the school's I've been to have a sim lab at this point too. They also require the laptop but that doesn't make a school high tech IMO. They also don't have the resources a lot of dental school have that are located near an umbrella medical school. Overall it seemed you would be placed in your own little dental world without a lot of other outside connections to the school itself (it's pretty isolate from the city as well).

This isn't meant to bash the school because I got a rejection letter. I was pretty sure I wasn't going to interview out there after my visit anyways. But if some of you are discouraged and have not checked out ATSU out for yourself, don't feel too bad. They are obviously looking for something specific in their students and if you have a good GPA and DAT and got rejected, I think it's their loss unless they know something about you that might mean otherwise. Just my 2 cents
 
I just got my rejection letter from them and I visited the school recently as I'm out of state. My DAT score was well above the 18s people are saying they are accepting.

Now I don't know about everyone here but for me Phoenix was nothing to write home about. It has some cool places near Tempe and Arizona State but for the most part it's extremely dry, desert, and everything is pretty spread out. Lots of brown so if you like plants and greenery, this isn't the place for you.

I had mix feelings about the school. Again the school is located on a plot of desert and there isn't much to their facility. I think they had maybe 4 lecture halls and most of the faculty is made up of local dentists who rotate in and out. They told me they cover gross anatomy in 3 weeks where most schools have a whole semestar of gross. It's kinda cool in that you are only taught and tested on what you need to know for the boards but it also seems really fast paced and I can't imagine not having long standing professors who can help you throughout your entire schooling.

As for everything being state of the art....I've been to about 5 schools now and ATSU does have a new building and a nice sim lab. However, most of the school's I've been to have a sim lab at this point too. They also require the laptop but that doesn't make a school high tech IMO. They also don't have the resources a lot of dental school have that are located near an umbrella medical school. Overall it seemed you would be placed in your own little dental world without a lot of other outside connections to the school itself (it's pretty isolate from the city as well).

This isn't meant to bash the school because I got a rejection letter. I was pretty sure I wasn't going to interview out there after my visit anyways. But if some of you are discouraged and have not checked out ATSU out for yourself, don't feel too bad. They are obviously looking for something specific in their students and if you have a good GPA and DAT and got rejected, I think it's their loss unless they know something about you that might mean otherwise. Just my 2 cents
Bluesdeluxe,
I would say that our opinions are the same in some aspects but in others I feel you couldn't be farther from the truth. They are indeed a high tech school. I have been to my fair share of dental schools and I would say that ASDOH is one of the most, if not the, high tech schools. I could list 20 things but don't really care too. If you have been there then you know what I 'm talking about.
ASDOH does have connections with the outside world. ASDOH participates in externships across Arizona and the U.S. They receive so many opportunites to practice all sorts of procedures (including in the OR). I volunteer at two of the many places where they rotate through (two large hospitals). I know that they graduate competent dentists who were never short handed of patients or anything else for that matter. As to resources that they lack??? Phoenix has so many hospitals and demand for these student dentists that they are all standing in line in hopes to have the students rotate through them as well. They have great relationships with those (oral surgeons, endo, GP, Perio, Pedo) at the hospitals that are over them (I know this from personal experience).
About their teaching its a lot more than just a couple of local dentists rotating in??...well look it up its been discussed here before. IMOH I think its a great idea.
Phoenix is brown and yes for some it seems that the school is all by itself. Phoenix is spread out like most western cities are. The facilities are new and up to date. Not much of a library bc its all on your DVD that you buy (which is a plus in my book). They do have several buildings being built and in planning though if you do have the need to feel like you are at some big school (which seems like a priority to some).
I just thought somebody who has interviewed there and is familiar with the school should say something...
I don't think your bashing just expressing your opinions (as I have mine).
Good luck with your other interviews
 
I am just glad that ASDOH was kind (kind in my opinion.. others disagree) enough to let us know our status after the interview, instead of having us worry about it until Dec.

I fell in love with the school when I interviewed there, and then I was rejected. I was :scared: for the next few days. But what can you do? Its a great school with few seats. It was a slim chance in the first place.

Every school has its pro's and con's. I don't think bluesdeluxe was bashing. At least he didn't call them jerks...!
Anyway, big love to ASDOH :biglove:
 
Sorry some of you have misunderstood my post. Most of my 'bashing' was actually on Phoenix itself, not impressed with that town. It took us 30 mins just to find a restaurant because they don't have billboards on their highways and most everything is hidden by those big brown brick walls. I guess you get used to anything at some point and once you know your way around it's not a big deal but it was one of the harder cities to natigate through without knowing much about it.

As for the school it self being isolated from the outside world, I didn't mean isolated from other hospitals, programs, or resources. I simply meant there is literally nothing around the school at all. It's just sitting on a plot of desert and it seemed to me you had to drive 20 mins just to get to civilization. I went out to a few bars around the school on friday night and they were dead. I've heard great things about Phoenix and have some friends who live there but apparently the happening place isn't in Mesa. Now I know your night life isn't a priority when in dental school but it would be nice to have some places to hang out at after work. Just an observation I caught.

It does seem they approach teaching very different from other schools. Until you've gone through their program there is no real way to say one is better than the others. Some schools (including one my father went through) seem to want to drill the students with every possible detail and overwhelm them for the first 2 years. This is probably the standard and even in undergraduate school, most professors are there to help but they don't want to make everything too easy. ATSU seems to want to cut out the unimportant concepts and focus strickly on what is needed to pass the boards. This sounds great to me and might produce doctors that aren't so stressed and then have to relearn how dentists operate in the real world. I think ATSU has all their lab work done by a private lab in the school itself; the lab for students I saw was tiny and I got the impression the students didn't do much in the lab. Again, it seems students are learning less of the art of dentistry in this aspect but again, what dentist is really doing much of their own lab work anyways? I'd probably be happy to bypass the lab stuff myself and it's nice to see a school skipping something that might not be used in a private practice anyways.

As for books on DVD....you can apply the argument to digital music as well but I prefer something tangible that I can reference easily down the road. If I'm going to pay a ton for my education materials, I want a hefty book to show for it, not a dvd that can be copied and traded for free. But really some of these points are rediculous when it comes to choosing a school. I guess in the end, ATSU challenged my way of thinking how a Dental school could/should be run and Phoenix as a whole didn't impress me and I wouldn't want to live there.
 
the surroundings should be a secondary or even tertiary factor for selecting the school. the most important thing is the school
 
i understand your concerns, but to clear up a couple minconceptions...
tempe, a great college town (where ASU lives) is only 15-20 minutes away and Scottsdale (THHEEE ultimate club scene) is only 30 minutes away.

the books on the vital source DVD have all been paid for, and are with you whereever you are. (whereas 40 big books are not). These books are yours for life, so you can reference them long down the road when you are practicing, as long as you have a computer...which I'm sure you will.

if you talk to any dental student who has to do their own waxing and lab work, you will understand why it is so awesome that ASDOH has it's own dental lab. instead of working till 2am on a crown, we do rotations through the lab, so we all learn and understand the basic steps.

also, for our first year basic sciences curriculum, the best of the best are flown in from across the country to teach us for a week, or two weeks, depending on the course. our profs aren't just run of the mill fill-ins. we are learning from the top! also, all of them are always reachable by email, so when we're studying for boards, they are still there to help.

best of luck with your journey to dental school...
 
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