When Apply For Residency?

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Forgive me for asking a stupid pre- med question, but there is something I don't understand (and its been eating at me). When during your 4th year do you apply for a residency position? The reason I don't understand is many people seem to decide surgery vs. medicine during 3rd year, but what if they haven't gotten a taste of all the different types to know what they want. For example, if someone wants neurosurgery, but didn't get a taste of it during 3rd year, they would have to take an elective in it 4th year. However, what if they have to apply to a residency before they get a chance? So, can someone clarify that for me? Thanks!
 
Your application is initially available to programs sometime around early September (I'm not sure of the exact date). The final piece of your application, the Dean's letter, is usually up-loaded around November 1. It is to your advantage to complete your application early because some programs interview on only a select number of days. Once those slots are filled up, even if you were offered an interview, then you could be SOL.

Obviously, if you can make a decision early, then it can cause you less angst. Even then, you have July and August to try some new things. Much of your application, like a good portion of your personal statemnt and, for many specialties, your LORs can be generic. For example, I had a medicine, a surgery, and a research letter, but I'm not going into any of those. There are also plenty of people that make up or change their mind late, like in September or even October. Then there are folks that don't decide, so they do an internship and then reapply.
 
Pick up copy of Iserson's "Getting the Residency You Want" (or something like that). It really explains the whole process in detail (sometimes excrutiatingly so). Its really kinda complicated, and I'm glad I looked through it once before med school. It answered a lot of questions and got me thinking about the future.
 
In reality, you aren't going to be exposed to everything before you apply. If you have a strong leaning toward a particular field, you can contact faculty in the department during your preclinical years to arrange shadowing, mentoring, and research. At some schools, it is possible to switch a required third year rotation to fourth year to create some elective time in your third year. You may also find it possible to get at least some exposure to other fields while on your core electives (e.g., taking your patient down to IR while on medicine, going to pathology while on surgery). Some schools offer an accelerated preclinical curriculum, which gives you an extra several clinical elective months before you really need to completely decide. Amazingly, through this less than ideal system, most people figure out what they want to do (admittedly, most people go into fields covered by the core rotations, though).

Best,
Anka
 
Forgive me for asking a stupid pre- med question, but there is something I don't understand (and its been eating at me). When during your 4th year do you apply for a residency position? The reason I don't understand is many people seem to decide surgery vs. medicine during 3rd year, but what if they haven't gotten a taste of all the different types to know what they want. For example, if someone wants neurosurgery, but didn't get a taste of it during 3rd year, they would have to take an elective in it 4th year. However, what if they have to apply to a residency before they get a chance? So, can someone clarify that for me? Thanks!

With electives there's not many specialties you can't do some time in if you're interested, either within 3rd year core rotations or at the beginning of 4th year. But you can and often have to get exposure to specialties in other ways than clerkships. One of my classmates, ranked many spots higher than myself, started hanging around the ENT faculty during first year. It's expected and virtually required in many of the competitive specialties to do this.

EDIT: Basically what Anka said, only with slower typing ability.
 
Forgive me for asking a stupid pre- med question, but there is something I don't understand (and its been eating at me). When during your 4th year do you apply for a residency position? The reason I don't understand is many people seem to decide surgery vs. medicine during 3rd year, but what if they haven't gotten a taste of all the different types to know what they want. For example, if someone wants neurosurgery, but didn't get a taste of it during 3rd year, they would have to take an elective in it 4th year. However, what if they have to apply to a residency before they get a chance? So, can someone clarify that for me? Thanks!

It's not a stupid question, it's one lots of med students complain about each year. You only get to see the handful of core specialties before you have to apply, and frequently won't get to see many things you might actually be interested in. You can always go shadow folks during the first couple of years.
 
Keep in mind some specialties (like NS) don't use ERAS, they go through the early match (the San Fransisco match) so the timeline gets pushed up even more.
 
Forgive me for asking a stupid pre- med question, but there is something I don't understand (and its been eating at me). When during your 4th year do you apply for a residency position? The reason I don't understand is many people seem to decide surgery vs. medicine during 3rd year, but what if they haven't gotten a taste of all the different types to know what they want. For example, if someone wants neurosurgery, but didn't get a taste of it during 3rd year, they would have to take an elective in it 4th year. However, what if they have to apply to a residency before they get a chance? So, can someone clarify that for me? Thanks!


Your exposure to many different medical specialties can start at early as your first year of medical school. You do not need to do an elective in a specialty to gain insight or information about that particular specialty. As a first-year medical student, you can join a specialty interest group where you are exposed to residents and attendings in a particular specialty. You can also request to set-up a shadowing experience with any specialist of your choosing.

During second year if you are on a classical curriculum, you will be exposed to a variety of disease processes in your pathology class. If there is a specific system or set of disease entities, you may identify a specialty that treats that particular disease entity set e.g rheumatology and the treatment of arthritis and autoimmune diseases. In addition, you may also discover that you are more interested in the surgical treatment of disease rather than the medical treatment of disease.

During third year, you have a series of required rotations such as pediatrics, family medicine, psychiatry, surgery, internal medicine/neurology and ob-gyn. It is usually during third year that many students crystallize their interests in a particular specialty. Nothing prevents you from making contact with other specialties outside of your required rotations. It is probably a good idea to make contact with other specialties such as emergency medicine, dermatology, anesthesiology, ENT, opthalmology or neurosurgery if you desire to do good fourth-year electives in those specialties.

Other factors that will greatly limit specialty choice for many medical students are grades, board exam scores and performance in the core rotations of surgery and medicine. You are not likely to be competitive for a residency in dermatology, ophthalmology, anesthesia, emergency medicine, orthopedic surgery or neurosurgery if you haven't performed well in your pre-clinical coursework, on step 1 of your boards or in the core rotatations of third year.

Getting a good medical education is not about waiting for your medical school to present you with options for specialty for your choosing or even waiting until fourth year to decide what your future specialty will be. Making sure that you and your specialty are a good match is largely in your hands. The process starts with you gathering as much information, as early as possible, about what you need for your future career and making sure that you obtain it including a strong academic record and information/experiences that allow you to be competitive for your career choice.

The residency application process actually begins at the end of your first clinical rotation first year when you request a letter of recommendation from your first clinical preceptor. The experience that you need to make an informed choice in terms of specialty can begin as soon as the first day of medical school orientation when you meet some of the pre-clinical and clinical faculty or join a specialty interest group. In short, being proactive and getting as much information as possible about a decision that will affect your future is largely up to you.

There are websites San Francisco Match and Electronic Residency Application Service that will give you information on specific time-lines and on the specific specialties that are covered by each particular application service. It's not a bad idea to check these out at the beginning of second year to be sure that as you move through third-year, you are getting the experiences and requirements for the specialty that interests you.
 
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