Where are URM's Applying for 2004/5?

[ndi_amaka]

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Wouldnt it be better for everyone if black students looked for schools that had less diversity? Wouldnt it be good if they went to schools like Utah and helped break through the racial barriers? It is my opinion that the main reason for racism is simply not knowing people of other races. It is easy to stereotype minorities when you have had little actual interaction with them. I personally think the guy the a better more unified country is the removal of racial boundaries and viewing one another as a "person" not a "black person" or "white person".

Why is it my "duty" to go and break down racial barriers?? Why do you get to apply and attend schools where you get to feel comfortable and wonderful, but when I go out and seek the same, I am now being racially divisive? Why don't YOU go and break through some barrier and leave me in peace?? This is MY four years. I DO NOT want to have to be the only black person in an entire school or county in order to "break through racial barriers." I do not want to have to prove myself with every exam and USMLE score just to justify my existence at the school. I do NOT want to have to argue with an insensitive medical committee when they want to do something that is inconsistent to my lifestyle. I do NOT want to go to a school and be the torch bearer for my entire race.

That is WHY I contribute to threads like this and that is why I will CONTINUE to contribute to threads like this. Instead of preaching to us and enlighhtening the minority community on your sophisticated and advanced idealogies try and figure out where we are coming from. Breaking down barriers may not be something you ever have to think twice about, but it's not glamorous, and not every minority person should have to do it.

 

[lotanna]

Why is it my "duty" to go and break down racial barriers?? Why do you get to apply and attend schools where you get to feel comfortable and wonderful, but when I go out and seek the same, I am now being racially divisive? Why don't YOU go and break through some barrier and leave me in peace?? This is MY four years. I DO NOT want to have to be the only black person in an entire school or county in order to "break through racial barriers." I do not want to have to prove myself with every exam and USMLE score just to justify my existence at the school. I do NOT want to have to argue with an insensitive medical committee when they want to do something that is inconsistent to my lifestyle. I do NOT want to go to a school and be the torch bearer for my entire race.

That is WHY I contribute to threads like this and that is why I will CONTINUE to contribute to threads like this. Instead of preaching to us and enlighhtening the minority community on your sophisticated and advanced idealogies try and figure out where we are coming from. Breaking down barriers may not be something you ever have to think twice about, but it's not glamorous, and not every minority person should have to do it.

Preach preach!! 👍

 

[synapse lapse]

It's so funny how all of these threads end up just turning into AA arguments. Anyhow, I agree with some of what Cerberus said and some of what ndi_amaka said. But anyhow nid_amaka, everyone has to do well on MCAT's and Boards to prove they're worth their weight. Besides, we all know full and well that if peopel of different races didn't make such a big deal about being of different races we wouldn't have these stupid problems. Fact is that Black doctors treat 5 times as many black patients as white doctors, and there are many ways to interpret that statistic. Anyhow, I don't think they should give so much emphasis to Race during the app. process. Just look at mdapplicants.com. I have seen some profiles on there that I was just thinking, how the f#@# did this guy get into this school. do a search on who with <3.3 GPA and <30 MCATgot into places, and you'll find 90% time someone got into a top school with those scores guess what race he was? Black. That is simply rediculous use of affirmative action policy. I had a black roommate during my MMEP program last year who went to Wake Forest and he always tried to pull this crap about making up for these "400 years of oppression". I mean give me a break, this guy's dad was a regional VP for Microsoft, he was certainly well off, and he shouldn't get any damn points because hes black or because he had a grandpa on a plantation. Does Racism exists today? sure, but I am hard pressed to believe it is to the point where it would seriously hinder anyone's getting into med school. Fact of the matter is that if you didn't do well in school, it certainly wasn't the fault of your race. that's my 2 cents. Let the flames start .

 

[lotanna]

Hmm whats the title of this thread?? 😕

 

[ndi_amaka]

It's so funny how all of these threads end up just turning into AA arguments. Anyhow, I agree with some of what Cerberus said and some of what ndi_amaka said. But anyhow nid_amaka, everyone has to do well on MCAT's and Boards to prove they're worth their weight. Besides, we all know full and well that if peopel of different races didn't make such a big deal about being of different races we wouldn't have these stupid problems. Fact is that Black doctors treat 5 times as many black patients as white doctors, and there are many ways to interpret that statistic. Anyhow, I don't think they should give so much emphasis to Race during the app. process. Just look at mdapplicants.com. I have seen some profiles on there that I was just thinking, how the f#@# did this guy get into this school. do a search on who with <3.3 GPA and <30 MCATgot into places, and you'll find 90% time someone got into a top school with those scores guess what race he was? Black. That is simply rediculous use of affirmative action policy. I had a black roommate during my MMEP program last year who went to Wake Forest and he always tried to pull this crap about making up for these "400 years of oppression". I mean give me a break, this guy's dad was a regional VP for Microsoft, he was certainly well off, and he shouldn't get any damn points because hes black or because he had a grandpa on a plantation. Does Racism exists today? sure, but I am hard pressed to believe it is to the point where it would seriously hinder anyone's getting into med school. Fact of the matter is that if you didn't do well in school, it certainly wasn't the fault of your race. that's my 2 cents. Let the flames start .

Who and where was affirmative action mentioned?
Since when has Mdapplicants.com been representative of ANYTHING? You honestly do not believe that ANY white people with less than a <3.3 and <30 have ever gotten into medical school?
i'm not arguing with you on the last part because honestly, you would never believe anything I have to say. Why pour water on a rock?

 

[ndi_amaka]

Hmm whats the title of this thread?? 😕

Bleh...anywhoo. Texas folks should apply every where but remember that UTMB seems to be really receptive to black students.
UTHSCSA is great and the Hispanic community there is strong and down to earth.
UTSW is trying....ask me again in about a year.

Baylor is off the chain. Strong recruiting office, very enthusiastic, and it's in Houston...

 

[pathdr2b]

Why is it my "duty" to go and break down racial barriers?? Why do you get to apply and attend schools where you get to feel comfortable and wonderful, but when I go out and seek the same, I am now being racially divisive? Why don't YOU go and break through some barrier and leave me in peace?? This is MY four years. I DO NOT want to have to be the only black person in an entire school or county in order to "break through racial barriers." I do not want to have to prove myself with every exam and USMLE score just to justify my existence at the school. I do NOT want to have to argue with an insensitive medical committee when they want to do something that is inconsistent to my lifestyle. I do NOT want to go to a school and be the torch bearer for my entire race.

That is WHY I contribute to threads like this and that is why I will CONTINUE to contribute to threads like this. Instead of preaching to us and enlighhtening the minority community on your sophisticated and advanced idealogies try and figure out where we are coming from. Breaking down barriers may not be something you ever have to think twice about, but it's not glamorous, and not every minority person should have to do it.

Couldn't have said it better myself !!!! 👍

ALWAYS keep in mind that SOME people are happy to see us killing each other, becoming addicted to crack, ect, ect, and other wise not sticking together but as soon as we try to do something to help each other, all hell breaks loose.🙄 As my grandmother used to say, we MUST help ourselves and each other.

 

[pathdr2b]

Please allow me TO reiterate the purpose of this thread:

THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAS IS TO GIVE URM APPLICANTS TO THE CLASS ENTERING IN SUMMER/FALL OF 2005 A LIST OF SCHOOLS KNOWN TO SUPPORT URM STUDENTS. THIS THREAD MAY ALSO PROVIDE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THESE SCHOOLS AND WELL AS ANY OTHER INFORMATION OF EDUCATIONAL, PERSONAL, AND PROFESSIONAL CONCERN TO THE URM APPLICANT. I PERSONALLY MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR TRYING TO HELP A GROUP OF PEOPLE UNDERREPRESENTED IN MEDICINE AND WHO HAVE MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY RATES FROM ALL MAJOR DISEASES DISPROPORTIONATE WITH OUR PRESENCE IN THE POPULATION

Now if there are any URM's that want some research info on the University of Maryland system, I have a contact name for you.

Have a nice day! 🙂

 

[ndi_amaka]

Please allow me TO reiterate the purpose of this thread:

THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAS IS TO GIVE URM APPLICANTS TO THE CLASS ENTERING IN SUMMER/FALL OF 2005 A LIST OF SCHOOLS KNOWN TO SUPPORT URM STUDENTS. THIS THREAD MAY ALSO PROVIDE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THESE SCHOOLS AND WELL AS ANY OTHER INFORMATION OF EDUCATIONAL, PERSONAL, AND PROFESSIONAL CONCERN TO THE URM APPLICANT. I PERSONALLY MAKE NO APOLOGIES FOR TRYING TO HELP A GROUP OF PEOPLE UNDERPRESENTED IN MEDICINE AND WHO HAVE MORBIDITY AND MORTALITY RATES FROM ALL MAJOR DISEASES DISPROPORTIONATE WITH OUR PRESENCE IN THE POPULATION

Now if there are any URM's that want some research info on the University of Maryland system, I have a contact name for you.

Have a nice day! 🙂

You just love drama.

 

[pathdr2b]

You just love drama.

Me, no way, I just felt the need to restate the purpose, that's all really. Common now, haven't I been doign a good job ignoring the trolls/stalkers?

 

[good_faith]

Hmm whats the title of this thread?? 😕

I was about to say the same thing 👍
"where are URM's Applying for.."

 

[curlycity]

ah, ok cool. Wasn't sure if you meant the accepted applicants or some sort of summer program. Well, congrats to your acceptance. They have a whole weekend for URM visits, hmm, interesting. Very silly in my opinion, but oh well. Well congrats anyhow, just saw Dr. Phillips last month at the ICC conference he's co chair of, yes he is an odd duck...

Yeah, I had no idea about the whole URM thing until I interviewed at Baylor. They make a big fuss about it there. Being URM isn't a huge part of my life, I mean I get along with everybody and don't usually think about that stuff, but the URM weekend was fun. Some of the people in the group had a cosmopolitan outlook like my own, others were happy to meet people of their own specific ethnicity ... everyone had a blast. I made a couple of really good new buddies. I plan to make more at the orientation, tho. Baylor is just an awesome place full of awesome people, and I can't wait to get there...is it July yet?

 

[jlee9531]

i would think urms would apply to all the schools non-urms apply to.

 

[synapse lapse]

yeah curly city, it is a real cool place. I am quite sure you will enjoy it. I'm sure you met my roommate from this summer (the one I mentioned in above post), he's going there as well. Ah, how I envy you. I hope I too get to spen my four more years accross the street, though I am from Austin and love Austin so much I wish we had a med school there! Well hey, IM me if you want anything with getting around Houston or anything.

 

[ndi_amaka]

yeah curly city, it is a real cool place. I am quite sure you will enjoy it. I'm sure you met my roommate from this summer (the one I mentioned in above post), he's going there as well. Ah, how I envy you. I hope I too get to spen my four more years accross the street, though I am from Austin and love Austin so much I wish we had a med school there! Well hey, IM me if you want anything with getting around Houston or anything.

I think it is incredibly strange that Austin does not have a medical center. All the big cities in Texas have something but capitol only has Brackenridge and St. Davids?? That's crap.

 

[curlycity]

Hey, come on over to the Baylor thread whenever you want. I do have a question about riding a bike to/through the TMC - I'm going to be living 1 mile from Baylor, but it's too freakin' hot and humid for a 15-20 minute walk. At least with a bike I could make my own breeze 🙂 I'm wondering if that area is bike-accessible or bike-friendly. AAAAAAAAAAAGH, here comes the Metro train, silent doom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[curlycity]

I think it is incredibly strange that Austin does not have a medical center. All the big cities in Texas have something but capitol only has Brackenridge and St. Davids?? That's crap.

I think a good idea would be for UTMB to move to Austin.

 

[pathdr2b]

Let's try to compile a list of schools URM's should consider. Here goes:

UT- Schools
Baylor
UMaryland
Howard
Meharry
Morehouse
UMDNJ schools
UIC-Chicago
Temple
MSU
USF
UMiami

I'll go back in and put this in alphabetical order when I have some time. Maybe one day I'll also add some minoirty contacts too, although I hope you guys can help me on that one! 😉

 

[JohnHolmes]

However, people of same race, regardless of socio-economic status, also share a lot of life experiences. For instance, Clinton rose from poverty in Arkansas to become president. NO black male, regardless of talent and motivation, could have pulled that off. This is the aspect of life that poor blacks and whites do not share.

funny...I thought Colin Powell did pretty well for himself...

JH

 

[pathdr2b]

So is it safe to say at this point that HOWARD is the most popular choice among URM's for the class entering in 2005?

 

[OrthoFixation]

funny...I thought Colin Powell did pretty well for himself...

JH

Not to mention Ms. Rice.

Bill Clinton being poor as a youth is a myth. His mother was a nurse and they ran in money circles where he spent most of his youth, in Hot Springs, AR. In case you don't know the history of Hot Springs, it was a gangster / mob / gambling / prostitution capital of the south. Bill's whole life is PR spin.

 

[pathdr2b]

UT- Schools
Baylor
UMaryland
Howard
Meharry
Morehouse
UMDNJ schools
UIC-Chicago
Temple
MSU
USF
UMiami
Georgetown

 

[curlycity]

Hey guys & gals, check this out.

http://www.eckerd.edu/academics/nas/premed/MCAT_GPA_List.htm

Maybe this is old news to you all. I just found it interesting, typed up in a tidy list.

 

[pathdr2b]

Bump for Bookame1!

 

[pathdr2b]

Ok everyone, I'm going to need some help with this. Please add the contact person of the school you're accepted to or applying to. Rememebr, you should ALL be familiar with the minoirty affairs representative at EACH of the schools you're applying to! Thanks!


Baylor ------------------- Dr. James Philips

Georgetown -------------- Ms.Joy Williams

Harvard ----------------- Dr. Alvin Poussaint
Ms. Rosa DaSilva
* Very nice lady!

Howard----------------- Dr.Dawn Cannon

Meharry

Morehouse

MSU ------------------ Dr Wanda Lipscomb

Temple ------------ Dr.Raul DeLa Cadena
* He's hilarious and very helpful too!

UIC-Chicago ------ Ms. Lillye A Hart

UMaryland ----------- Dr. Donna Parker
* Very receptive

UMDNJ schools

UMiami ------------------- Dr. Astrid Mack
*Very Helpful

USF -------------------- Dr. Marvin Williams

UT- Schools

VCU ------------------- Tommy Tucker
*Very personalbe and helpful

 

[Friday]

Rememebr, you should ALL be familiar with the minoirty affairs representative at EACH of the schools you're applying to! Thanks!


[/B]

Just to be on the same page, why exactly would we need to contact the minority affairs rep? Or rather, how would it be beneficial in the application process? Also, when/how would we contact them. I kinda assumed that those offices were for the benefit of those already admitted to the schools. Thanks.

 

[pathdr2b]

Or rather, how would it be beneficial in the application process? Also, when/how would we contact them. I kinda assumed that those offices were for the benefit of those already admitted to the schools. Thanks.

Rule # 1 for Applying to med school and in life: Many of the people you're competing with for a spot in med school already have "representatives" speaking for them. Examples include medical school classmates of their parents who also happen to be doctors, or their parent is an alumni of the particular med school, or they played pro sports and are "known" ect.

The purpose of these offices besides supporting students at that particular school is to help recruit new students to the school. This is where you contacting them becomes vitally important. (You SHOULD have registered with MedMar when you take the MCAT so that schools looking to recruit URM's will already have recieved a little info in you by the time you apply)

Rule #2- All things equal who would you likely admit, a student that you know through a few conversations/email or one you didn't know at all? Some medical schools receive thousands of apps, so by putting a "face" on your application, you're increasing your chances for being admitted.

Rule #3 - There's a reason why most of the jobs you see advertised in the papers have already been filled by the time you get around to applying. It's called NETWORKING and I can tell you both from personal expereince and those of people that I know well, a URM with solid academic record and scores and fame (as in the case of the former Denver Bronco I went to school with in the late 80's that attended med school in the off season) you CAN usually find out exactly what your chances for admissions are with some schools long before you send in your application. Some schools will just tell you flat out, "we'd definitely admit you if you applied here" or "get a 30 on the MCAT and we can pretty much guareentee you an interview", ect. All of this is predicated on you contacting them FIRST to basically sell yourself.

Finally, no matter what anyone says, EVERYONE applying to med school with connections is using them. Why not give yourself a helping hand too?

 

[Peterock]

Thats really good advice pathdr2b, unfortunately, so much of this world is determined by who networks the best, not who is the most talented.

 

[Friday]

(You SHOULD have registered with MedMar when you take the MCAT so that schools looking to recruit URM's will already have recieved a little info in you by the time you apply)

Your points were well taken. Thanks 👍 . One more question though, what exactly is MedMar? I took the MCAT in Aug. 2002, but didn't do med school apps til now (for 2005 of course). I don't remember anything about a 'MedMar' from that time. Is it something I can register for with now? I'm planning to retake the MCAT this Aug to try improve my initial score (35) but my stuff is going out June 1st or however soon. Would I have to wait til Aug. to register for this thing to reap its benefits? Once again man, thanks.

Also, just to add to what you said, I had one dean of admissions (might have been minority affairs) tell me I would have a 'very high chance' of getting in when I met him at a med school fair at my school 2 years ago. Thing is, we didn't even talk: he was on his way out, I was on my way in but I guess noticed what I look like (if ya know what I mean...). He just asked me my name, major, GPA and MCAT. Only thing was I wasn't applying that year, but this year its solid on my list.

 

[pathdr2b]

Your points were well taken. Thanks 👍 . One more question though, what exactly is MedMar? I took the MCAT in Aug. 2002, but didn't do med school apps til now (for 2005 of course). I don't remember anything about a 'MedMar' from that time. Is it something I can register for with now? I'm planning to retake the MCAT this Aug to try improve my initial score (35) but my stuff is going out June 1st or however soon. Would I have to wait til Aug. to register for this thing to reap its benefits? Once again man, thanks..

Yes, you have to register for Medmar when you take the MCAT. Years ago, you didn't have to do that to get on the list but now that everything is on computer, that's changed. So unfortunately, you'll have to wait for the August MCAT but this doesn't stop you from "networking" on your own.

Also, just to add to what you said, I had one dean of admissions (might have been minority affairs) tell me I would have a 'very high chance' of getting in when I met him at a med school fair at my school 2 years ago. Thing is, we didn't even talk: he was on his way out, I was on my way in but I guess noticed what I look like (if ya know what I mean...). He just asked me my name, major, GPA and MCAT. Only thing was I wasn't applying that year, but this year its solid on my list.

Make sure you mention this again, DEFINITELY. As a matter of fact you should probably send him an email soon reminding him of this meeting. Good Luck!

Once again man, thanks..

You're welcome, but I'm all woman 😀

 

[pathdr2b]

Thats really good advice pathdr2b, unfortunately, so much of this world is determined by who networks the best, not who is the most talented.

There's probably some truth to this, at least that's what I found when I worked in the pharmaceutical industry for a few years. But you have to admit talent + connections are WONDERFUL things! 👍

 

[pathdr2b]

Bump! Anyone want to add a school?