Which Foreign language should I learn?

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Exactly. The definition of "useful" is what is being debated. No one doubts that Spanish would be a useful language. But whether or not it will be useful for the OP in a world where there will be an abundance of bilingual Spanish speakers is up to question. I think that the "usefulness" of Spanish for one individual is questionable, since, while rarer, there are people somewhere in the US that speak nothing but French and will some day need medical care.

What's the point of knowing Spanish if half the hospital knows Spanish, and that French patient comes in? That's my only point. There really is no reason NOT to take French, so long as there are enough people out there learning Spanish (or, if they are native speakers, English).

That's a bad argument. By that logic, it's perfectly fine for a Spanish-speaking doctor who doesn't speak a lick of English to practice in the U.S. as well. Just have the bilingual guys translate for you, right? The thing is that having someone translate for you is just not the same as knowing the language yourself. Plus, what if you don't work at a hospital? Even if you have Spanish-speakers on staff, what if one or two of them are out for some reason? Since, many of the patients will be speaking Spanish, you're pretty screwed, right?

that's the name of the game. I wish I had focused on what looks good on a med school application instead of taking classes like modern physics which med schools don't particularly care about, but I thoroughly enjoyed...

Yea...same here. I loved designing robots and learning about how semiconductors are made, but I don't think med schools care much about it.
 
Hi i'm a 4th year med student

Spanish absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

following that Mandarin Chinese if you have the time and determination
 
Hi i'm a 4th year med student

Spanish absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

following that Mandarin Chinese if you have the time and determination

Yea, if I thought I had a snowball's chance in heck I would go for Mandarin. But I don't think I have that kind of time. It will be useful in the future though, that's for sure.
 
That's a bad argument. By that logic, it's perfectly fine for a Spanish-speaking doctor who doesn't speak a lick of English to practice in the U.S. as well. Just have the bilingual guys translate for you, right? The thing is that having someone translate for you is just not the same as knowing the language yourself. Plus, what if you don't work at a hospital? Even if you have Spanish-speakers on staff, what if one or two of them are out for some reason? Since, many of the patients will be speaking Spanish, you're pretty screwed, right?

Given that the majority of patients here speak English (at least for now), we would expect doctors to speak English. It's the primary (though not official) language of the US.

Despite that, you're right to a point. Having a translator is not the same thing as knowing the language yourself and being able to understand. I have first hand experience with that.

On that same vein, though, it certainly doesn't help that person who speaks a language besides English and Spanish that every pre-med thought would be useless to take. At the end of the day, while you may not be able to communicate perfectly with all of your patients, it's better than regretting not having taken French when that French patient comes in and there isn't a French-speaking person around.

Besides, I'm not saying learning Spanish is a bad thing. It's not. I have it somewhat under my belt. But given how big Spanish is getting, many medical schools make it possible to take that language even as late as being a fourth-year medical student. I doubt they offer the same medical-version of Russian, French, or Arabic.

Spanish is everywhere, and the resources for Spanish speaking patients and doctors who want to be able to communicate with said patients are nearly endless. This is not the case for almost every other language that a person can learn. In many cases, I suspect that the OP would be the ONLY resource for a French patient in need.

Which is why, on a moral level, I think it really makes no difference what language the person wants to take.
 
Given that the majority of patients here speak English (at least for now), we would expect doctors to speak English. It's the primary (though not official) language of the US.

Despite that, you're right to a point. Having a translator is not the same thing as knowing the language yourself and being able to understand. I have first hand experience with that.

On that same vein, though, it certainly doesn't help that person who speaks a language besides English and Spanish that every pre-med thought would be useless to take. At the end of the day, while you may not be able to communicate perfectly with all of your patients, it's better than regretting not having taken French when that French patient comes in and there isn't a French-speaking person around.

Besides, I'm not saying learning Spanish is a bad thing. It's not. I have it somewhat under my belt. But given how big Spanish is getting, many medical schools make it possible to take that language even as late as being a fourth-year medical student. I doubt they offer the same medical-version of Russian, French, or Arabic.

Spanish is everywhere, and the resources for Spanish speaking patients and doctors who want to be able to communicate with said patients are nearly endless. This is not the case for almost every other language that a person can learn. In many cases, I suspect that the OP would be the ONLY resource for a French patient in need.

Which is why, on a moral level, I think it really makes no difference what language the person wants to take.

Your point is essentially that learning Spanish isn't that useful because so many people already speak it. I used the non-English-speaking physician to point out the fallacy in your argument. After all, why learn English when so many people already speak it?

Your point about French is also suspect. There is actually a decent number of French-speaking people in this country. But what about Swahili? What about Mongolian? What if a Mongolian patient comes in? Are you really gonna learn Mongolian for the off chance that a Mongolian patient may come in one day, or are you gonna learn a language for the plethora of English and Spanish speaking patients that make up 90+% of your patient pool?
 
Exactly. The definition of "useful" is what is being debated. No one doubts that Spanish would be a useful language. But whether or not it will be useful for the OP in a world where there will be an abundance of bilingual Spanish speakers is up to question. I think that the "usefulness" of Spanish for one individual is questionable, since, while rarer, there are people somewhere in the US that speak nothing but French and will some day need medical care.

What's the point of knowing Spanish if half the hospital knows Spanish, and that French patient comes in? That's my only point. There really is no reason NOT to take French, so long as there are enough people out there learning Spanish (or, if they are native speakers, English).

Yeh, it makes much more sense to take French because ONE DAY that person might come in who ONLY speaks French, and I'll be able to help them...

ONE DAY, it will happen, ONE DAY. C'mon man you're basically saying you should take French because 1 out of 239482382982829384 patients you see will speak only French and you have to be the one to save the day...

Hmm, what's more beneficial? Learning a language you can use with multiple patients on a daily basis or learning a language that you will use on a single patient in your lifetime, maybe two...
 
Your point is essentially that learning Spanish isn't that useful because so many people already speak it. I used the non-English-speaking physician to point out the fallacy in your argument. After all, why learn English when so many people already speak it?

If we're talking about American doctors, who, for the most part, had to pass American medical school classes or at the very least had to have a strong enough grasp of English to pass their licensing exam, then your argument isn't really valid in this country to begin with.

But I think there is a strong difference between speaking only English and speaking only Spanish. While there are certainly exceptions, like in some parts of Florida and Texas, there are few places in the US where a doctor who speaks only Spanish will not have a vast majority of patients that speak English. This doesn't mean that the patients don't also speak Spanish, but a great deal of Spanish speakers also speak English, as well as French speakers, German speakers, whatever. At the end of the day, English, not Spanish, will almost always be the primary language of the day.

And we're talking also about patient-provider communication and two years of a college language. Doctors also need to be able to communicate with their peers and read medical journals, all primarily written in English. While they could try to get by with a translator for day-to-day communication with their boss and coworkers, I think we can both agree that it is a FAR more inconvenient situation for a doctor that only speaks Spanish than a doctor that doesn't speak any Spanish. Someone with two years of Spanish could likely pick up all they would ever need to know to communicate in Spanish with a patient very shortly. The amount of English a Spanish-speaker would need to learn in order to communicate with a fellow doctor about medical related stuff is much, much greater.

These two situations do not relate to each other very well, given the sheer difference in the types of communication both parties are expected to handle.

Your point about French is also suspect. There is actually a decent number of French-speaking people in this country. But what about Swahili? What about Mongolian? What if a Mongolian patient comes in? Are you really gonna learn Mongolian for the off chance that a Mongolian patient may come in one day, or are you gonna learn a language for the plethora of English and Spanish speaking patients that make up 90+% of your patient pool?

No, I'm not saying that a person should learn any language simply because it will help them as a doctor. I think a person can be a great doctor without even being bilingual.

My point, though, is that taking any language is not going to be a DETRIMENT. Even if a person doesn't manage to pick up Spanish sometime after college (like during medical school electives), there is not likely to be a situation where this person will NEVER find the language they know to be useful (so long as we're leaving obscure languages like aboriginal clicks with astronomical chances of ending up in the US out). If they are the only person in an area that knows a certain language, and there is a situation that comes up where they or someone they know needs that language, then it will have proven to be worth it.

The situation where someone is in need of a Spanish speaker and is unable to find one is, in most areas, not an issue. The need for a French speaker, or a Russian speaker, or yes, a Mongolian speaker, though, does exist. It may not be a constant problem, and it may not get used more than once. But that one time it does get used, it could mean the difference between life and death (due to the lack of anyone else who speaks the language), whereas with Spanish, it's likely to mean the difference between immediate communication and a few minutes of waiting. And in most situations, that will not be a problem.

As I said, this is not to say that taking Spanish is bad, or taking any other language is going to be extremely useful. My only point is that in the grand scheme of things, chaos theory is going to take over, and you're going to have the skills you have. If you know Mongolian when that Mongolian patient is there, great. Your language was put to good use. For all you know, you may get flown across the country to deal with this Mongolian patient, since you're the only one who can speak Mongolian. If you've learned Spanish, great. But if you don't know it, send that person to the doctor next door who speaks it.
 
Just take what you actually want to learn and will be passionate about as you will get way better results (in terms of understanding/fluency) than if you took a language you do not even care about.

You guys are WAY over-analyzing this.
 
It depends completely where you'd like to practice. I speak French and Chinese and have used both in clinical settings. Many Haitians in NYC speak Creole and understand French.

In terms of usefulness in NYC:
Arabic
Mandarin (More recent Chinese immigrants generally speak Mandarin)
Russian
Cantonese
Spanish (never hard finding another doctor or nurse/tech who can translate so not the most important to learn in my opinion)

Languages I want to learn:
German
Korean
 
Just take what you actually want to learn and will be passionate about as you will get way better results (in terms of understanding/fluency) than if you took a language you do not even care about.

You guys are WAY over-analyzing this.

We're assuming here that the OP is not passionate about any language, and he really doesn't sound like he is. So the choice is really the easier language(the one he's had experiences with), or what I perceive to be the more useful language(Spanish).
 
I'm taking French right now and I find it very easy to learn and pronounce. Wheeeee, well that might be due to the fact that I already know Spanish fluently. I plan on learning other languages.

[X] Spanish
[X] English
[ ] French
[ ] Italian
[ ] Chinese

Languages I will consider learning are:

Japanese
German
Russian
Portuguese (SO close to Spanish I can understand just about 100% of the language already, lol)
Tagalog


But yeah, learn what you love and then what you need.
 
I'm taking French right now and I find it very easy to learn and pronounce. Wheeeee, well that might be due to the fact that I already know Spanish fluently. I plan on learning other languages.

[X] Spanish
[X] English
[ ] French
[ ] Italian
[ ] Chinese

Languages I will consider learning are:

Japanese
German
Russian
Portuguese (SO close to Spanish I can understand just about 100% of the language already, lol)
Tagalog


But yeah, learn what you love and then what you need.

Italian it probably going to be a breeze if you know Spanish. German isn't hard, either, with a latin background.

Russian and Chinese are actually somewhat similar in structure. In Russian, the words themselves are conjugated to give a meaning, so you can put the words pretty much anywhere you want in the sentence and still get the same meaning (for most cases).

Chinese is kind of the same way, except that, as far as I have studied, the words themselves represent conjugations, and no change is made to any of the actual words. You simply add words to other words in order to change the nature of the sentence. For instance, you can say a sentence, and then add "ma" onto the end to make it a question. Pretty nifty. I would just recommend studying the spoken language first, as the written language takes a LONG time to learn.
 
Spanish is useful, but Italian is a whole lotta fun. I majored in the latter, I am biased. If you pick up one romance language the others will be easier to learn. It's just about preference.
 
Italian it probably going to be a breeze if you know Spanish. German isn't hard, either, with a latin background.

Russian and Chinese are actually somewhat similar in structure. In Russian, the words themselves are conjugated to give a meaning, so you can put the words pretty much anywhere you want in the sentence and still get the same meaning (for most cases).

Chinese is kind of the same way, except that, as far as I have studied, the words themselves represent conjugations, and no change is made to any of the actual words. You simply add words to other words in order to change the nature of the sentence. For instance, you can say a sentence, and then add "ma" onto the end to make it a question. Pretty nifty. I would just recommend studying the spoken language first, as the written language takes a LONG time to learn.

Yup, I've translated Italian into English by using Spanish as medium, LOL. Yes I know that sounds crazy but I've done it. Romance Languages are awesome. The reason I'll only consider taking German is because people have told me that all it is is a rip off of English, Basically with an accent. The spoken language at least. So IDK, Chinese, I think I'll learn that language for fun, Spoken at least because written seems way to hard.
 
Yup, I've translated Italian into English by using Spanish as medium, LOL. Yes I know that sounds crazy but I've done it. Romance Languages are awesome. The reason I'll only consider taking German is because people have told me that all it is is a rip off of English, Basically with an accent. The spoken language at least. So IDK, Chinese, I think I'll learn that language for fun, Spoken at least because written seems way to hard.
English and German are both germanic languages. However, German grammar is much different from English.
 
I didn't continue to learn Spanish when I was given more choices for learning languages. I never really liked the language and didn't really care for the culture behind it. So I took Latin, and have been fascinated by the Romans. They had some pretty advanced ideas back then. For example, the Romans figured out the world was round, but then that knowledge was lost by the time of the Dark Ages.
 
In what cities, can Russian and Turkish can be useful?

PS Please don`t tell me Moscow or Istanbul, I meant US.
 
In what cities, can Russian and Turkish can be useful?

PS Please don`t tell me Moscow or Istanbul, I meant US.

Pretty much the East Coast. That's where the immigrants from Europe tend to be, and a lot of them don't make it far past there.
 
Whoever said Russian is easy probably didn't study enough of it.

Agree, go to link "Here's what medical school looks like...." change med school to "Russian grammar"

Just kidding, I mean no matter how long you study it, you will be messing up with its grammar for a long time.
 
I don't understand why people are saying knowing Arabic is really useful in NYC; the Arab population in NYC is not that huge. Knowing Hindi/Urdu would be a lot more useful. I hope you guys don't think that people from the Indian subcontinent speak Arabic😕

I want to learn Hebrew. I think it sounds really cool. I'm afraid that I wouldn't be welcomed in a Hebrew class, though. It would be really awkward because of my ethnic background and political opinion. Oh well....
 
LOL @ people learning a language because other people come into their country and refuse to learn the majority language. Only in America. I wish I could move to Germany, France or somewhere else and demand them to learn English in order to communicate with me. 😆
 
I want to learn Hebrew. I think it sounds really cool. I'm afraid that I wouldn't be welcomed in a Hebrew class, though. It would be really awkward because of my ethnic background and political opinion. Oh well....
Which is...? I say do it anyway. Perhaps because I'm Jewish (biased) but Hebrew isn't as bad as you think it is. 👍
 
Which is...? I say do it anyway. Perhaps because I'm Jewish (biased) but Hebrew isn't as bad as you think it is. 👍

I'm Palestinian. I would love to learn Hebrew/examine Jewish culture; I just don't know if the people in my class would be comfortable with having a Palestinian in their class. It's reality...I might take it for fun next semester. We'll see how it goes.
 
LOL @ people learning a language because other people come into their country and refuse to learn the majority language. Only in America. I wish I could move to Germany, France or somewhere else and demand them to learn English in order to communicate with me. 😆

I heard that in France they will still not talk to you even if you know the language if you do not pronounce things perfectly.
 
LOL @ people learning a language because other people come into their country and refuse to learn the majority language. Only in America. I wish I could move to Germany, France or somewhere else and demand them to learn English in order to communicate with me. 😆

In case you don't know, the US does NOT have an official language so I don't see how you can laugh at others who want to expand into other cultures and learn other languages. That's down right stupid if you ask me. "You came to America, so learn the LANGUAGE!" So stupid. Please. AMERICA is form by people from all over the world.
 
Of course I know. What you don't know or may not be aware of is that what binds a society together is language. If I move to the US and I know that the majority of people speak English I would learn it. If I expect to succeed in a new country and have the same opportunities extended to me then that is what I must do. Learning English does not stop one from still retaining the culture in which they came. My mother is from Haiti. When she came here she learned English and retained Kreyol as well. Plenty of people from my family speak Hebrew in addition to other languages.

There is nothing wrong with learning and exploring other cultures. The problem arises when the majority are forced to learn the minority language of those that do not want to learn theirs. It is unheard of.
I heard that in France they will still not talk to you even if you know the language if you do not pronounce things perfectly.
What you've heard is BS. Plain and simple. I have family in France and I speak French enough to get by. All you need to do is TRY.
 
I'm Palestinian. I would love to learn Hebrew/examine Jewish culture; I just don't know if the people in my class would be comfortable with having a Palestinian in their class. It's reality...I might take it for fun next semester. We'll see how it goes.

👍

The first step to mending that bridge is communication...
 
Take German because it is really fun to speak. It has no utility though. But its awesome
 
Take whatever language you will enjoy learning--you never know what one will be useful. For example, I volunteered in a suburban community ER this past summer in an area where there were several foreign-language speaking enclaves. Languages commonly heard in the ER other than English were Russian, Hatian French, Spanish, and Hebrew.

I'd recommend choosing a language that you can tie into broader interests, because that will likely make studying it more enjoyable and easier--it always helps to be able to apply the language to something else and I'd imagine that if you can seem convincingly interested in the language you choose that might strengthen your application.

Personally, as a European Studies major with a focus on French history, I'm biased in favor of French. 😀
 
It is Kreyol or Haitian Creole not Haitian French. 🙂
 
I would recommend Spanish.

Wikipedia:

"Spanish is the second most common language in the country, and is spoken by over 12% of the population.[7] The United States holds the world's fifth largest Spanish-speaking population, outnumbered only by Mexico, Spain, Argentina, and Colombia. Throughout the Southwestern United States, long-established Spanish-speaking communities coexist with large numbers of more recent Spanish-speaking immigrants. Although many new Latin American immigrants are less than fluent in English, second-generation Hispanic Americans commonly speak English fluently, while only about half still speak Spanish.[8]"
 
I would recommend Spanish.

Wikipedia:

"Spanish is the second most common language in the country, and is spoken by over 12% of the population.[7] The United States holds the world's fifth largest Spanish-speaking population, outnumbered only by Mexico, Spain, Argentina, and Colombia. Throughout the Southwestern United States, long-established Spanish-speaking communities coexist with large numbers of more recent Spanish-speaking immigrants. Although many new Latin American immigrants are less than fluent in English, second-generation Hispanic Americans commonly speak English fluently, while only about half still speak Spanish.[8]"

I have been trying to think of an area in the U.S where Spanish would not be useful and cannot. Maybe some parts of the deep south and the mid-west, but that is about it.

EDIT: Although I still vote Spanish, if one were to learn Arabic they could always get a job with the military.
 
Chinese 1/6 of world population.

Arab 1.3 Billion, most of them try to know that language.( Back up)

Vietnamese, if you want to live in US
 
Chinese 1/6 of world population.

Arab 1.3 Billion, most of them try to know that language.( Back up)

Vietnamese, if you want to live in US


Fail. Arab=/= Muslim. There are about 350 Million Arabs in the World. There are 1.3 billion Muslims in the World. In fact, the largest Muslim country in the World is Indonesia.
 
Spanish of course. Mexicans are invading the US and spreading spanish like wild fire. It'll look really good for any student applying to medical school, especially in Texas, California, and Florida.



*Does it bother anyone that i didn't list those states in geographical order moving from east to west or west to east? I noticed it bothered me right as i typed it, but I thought i'd be crazy and just leave it that way. 😱
 
In what cities, can Russian and Turkish can be useful?

PS Please don`t tell me Moscow or Istanbul, I meant US.

Many Russians in Brooklyn and one poster said, and Russian Jews in Queens. Turkish may or may not be useful depending on the surrounding community/neighborhood you're practicing in. May have some limited use in Queens, but in terms of the middle east I think Arabic or Farsi would be more useful.
 
LOL @ people learning a language because other people come into their country and refuse to learn the majority language. Only in America. I wish I could move to Germany, France or somewhere else and demand them to learn English in order to communicate with me. 😆

Those countries are more homogeneous than our own, and yet many people there are still bi- or multilingual. Many people in Europe can speak or understand English, besides their own native language, and maybe another... it just so happens that the French are terribly snobby and won't speak with you if you don't speak French (only if you're an American though). Many neighboring countries languages are also very similar, such as when I was travelling.. though I didn't know a lick of it, Dutch and Belgian is very easy to pick up or understand if you're an English or German speaker. Its a much more cosmopolitan lifestyle in Europe, unlike our uni-lingual one here in the US.
 
I'm Palestinian. I would love to learn Hebrew/examine Jewish culture; I just don't know if the people in my class would be comfortable with having a Palestinian in their class. It's reality...I might take it for fun next semester. We'll see how it goes.

Just don't wear your Nakba '48 shirt like I would.
 
Which is...? I say do it anyway. Perhaps because I'm Jewish (biased) but Hebrew isn't as bad as you think it is. 👍

In terms of for medicine, learning Hebrew is pretty much useless, since you'll never find an israeli living in america who doesn't speak english. (even most israelis living in israel also know english)

In regards to Arabic, also pretty low yield, since if you learn one dialect, it would be pretty much unintelligible to someone from a different arabic country (my lebanese friend can't talk to my moroccan friend in arabic)

again if you want to be a doc in nyc
1) spanish
2) mandarin chinese
3) cantonese chinese

if you want to practice in brooklyn
Russian would be pretty good.
 
you should learn chinese.. you know, for a challenge.
... seriously though, at this hospital i'm at, (super brandname super large California),
we have professional interpreters in spanish and ASL, (like 4 spanish interpreters or something), all the other languages are on call basis with volunteers, so you can see which ones the hospital deem the most utilitarian.
 
I think your decision is completely personal and depends upon which direction you plan on taking your career. Spanish will probably have a wider application, but French definitely has its good points too. I recently attended an MSF info session and French was the language of choice due to the massive humanitarian aid performed on the African continent. On the other hand, there is plenty of humanitarian aid options in S America as well. I personally live in an area that has large spanish-speaking and Creole-speaking populations. Being only one of a handful of French speakers in my HD definitely comes in handy. So pursue whatever floats your boat. You'll find a way to put it to good use.
 
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I think your decision is completely personal and depends upon which direction you plan on taking your career. Spanish will probably have a wider application, but French definitely has its good points too. I recently attended an MSF info session and French was the language of choice due to the massive humanitarian aid performed on the African continent. On the other hand, there is plenty of humanitarian aid options in S America as well. I personally live in an area that has large spanish-speaking and Creole-speaking populations. Being only one of a handful of French speakers in my HD definitely comes in handy. So pursue whatever floats your boat. You'll find a way to put it to good use.

So basically if you've got both Spanish and French down, you're like super-doc.
 
So basically if you've got both Spanish and French down, you're like super-doc.

Well would you look at that? Have one of those down working on the OTHER! 😱 God, I'll be the SUPER-DOC!!!!! :scared:

I am the SUPER-DOC!
Yo soy el super doctor!
Je suis le superbe docteur!
 
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Well would you look at that? Have one of those down working on the OTHER! 😱 God, I'll be the SUPER-DOC!!!!! :scared:

It's definitely something I'd work for. If I get an acceptance from FIU, I'll totally take some Spanish courses in the Spring, since they're in Miami. I've already got French down, although I need to practice it a lot.
 
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