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…and have a higher median age of matriculants? So far, I can only think of Dartmouth that is often mentioned on this forum. Are there any others? Does the school you attend have a large number of non-trads?
 

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Brown likes nontrads to offset their PLME class. Penn, Columbia, Hopkins, Mt Sinai and Cornell also like non trads.
Harvard and Stanford for whatever reason don't.

Many schools publish their median matriculant age which can give insight too.
 
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Brown likes nontrads to offset their PLME class. Penn, Columbia, Hopkins, Mt Sinai and Cornell also like non trads.
Harvard and Stanford for whatever reason don't.

Many schools publish their median matriculant age which can give insight too.
Huh that's weird…do they discriminate against non-trads for some reason? Maybe they are expecting students to be perfect and go straight thru from undergrad with all the right ECs and stats :confused:
 

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There are plenty of non-traditional students at my program. Many if not all DO programs are non-trad friendly.
 

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I get this question all the time and always answer it the same way. Schools like qualified candidates regardless the age. I have sent older non trads to medical school at Einstein Medical School/Yeshiva University, Pritzker/University of Chicago, Weill Cornell College of Medicine, University of Pittsburgh, George Washington University, Harvard Medical School, Medical College of Georgia, Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine, Mayo Clinic, Medical College of Wisconsin, Nova Southeast University College of Osteopathic Medicine, Ohio State, University of North Carolina, Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, SUNY Buffalo, University of Colorado, University of Maryland, Virginia College of Osteopathic Medicine, and West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine. In fact I cannot think of any medical school that hasnt had first year students at age 30 or older.
 

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In MSAR Online, if you go to Matriculant Demographics, you can see what % of the class came from post-bac programs.

Another useful stat from MSAR will be "% of students with graduate degree". For Albany, it's 29%! But only 2 from a post-bac program. Note that the latter doesn't differentiate between a program and doing an informal post-bac.

I havn't compiled a full list, but among them are:

BU
Drexel
NYMC (especially this one!)
UCSF and Columbia (but you better have the bonafides)
Dartmouth (see NYMC)
Netter

Yale's Class last year had a huge number of non-trads...but again, have the bona-fides.

To this list, add all DO schools.






…and have a higher median age of matriculants? So far, I can only think of Dartmouth that is often mentioned on this forum. Are there any others? Does the school you attend have a large number of non-trads?
 
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Add Case to the list.
 
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silly question, but is there a hard and fast definition of "non-trad," btw? Is it necessarily a career changer, or just someone who graduated UG 3+ years ago?
 

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silly question, but is there a hard and fast definition of "non-trad," btw? Is it necessarily a career changer, or just someone who graduated UG 3+ years ago?
I generally consider someone non-trad if there is more than two years between the year of college graduation and the year of med school matriculation, but I think the definition varies slightly depending on who you're talking to and in what context.
 
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We all do.
We all like excellent candidates. It has nothing to do with when you graduated.
To add to this, probably one of the most "young" oriented schools, Ichan/Mount Sinai with their FlexMed Early Admission push, accepted one of my older (31) nontrads last year. That even surprised me.
 

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silly question, but is there a hard and fast definition of "non-trad," btw? Is it necessarily a career changer, or just someone who graduated UG 3+ years ago?
I consider anyone who is unmarried and/or doesn't have children, who went to college directly (up to maybe a year off) as "traditional" and anyone outside of that more on the "nontraditional" side. But, and I should probably just put this in my signature, I'm still an undergrad. So my view/opinion could be, and is probably, different than what others consider or care about.
 

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I have been asked this questions hundreds of times for the past decade by students and advisors alike and there simply is no definite answer

20 years ago a "traditional" student was one who went from HS to College (with biology major) to Medical School, with no gap years.
10-15 years ago, gap years and non bio majors started becoming common
10 years ago postbaccs and SMP really began to mushroom

But as dean said at the large UC Davis Conference a few years ago, non-traditional is the new traditional
 

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My school is VERY non-trad friendly. As someone in-between (one gap year), I find the non-trads to be much better classmates. It wouldn't surprise me to hear adcoms say they almost make better applicants. More mature, less drama, and simply more pleasant to be around. There's people old enough to be my parents in my class. However, my school is very biased to IS residents, so it's not wise to apply solely because we're non-trad friendly.
 

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OHSU is notoriously non-trad friendly. When I went there, the average age of my matriculating class was 26. Some years it was as 27-28. Many of my classmates had previous careers and were very interesting people overall.
 

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Keep in mind though, that some of these supposedly "nontrad-friendly" schools put an expiration date on your prerequisites. Many of the NYC private (oddly, not Sinai) and Philly schools want you to have taken or retaken your sciences within the past 5 years. Wright State wants them within the past 10 years. Retakes = more time and $$$

Some schools are specifically veteran friendly and will waive or reimburse your secondary fee (EVMS, ETSU) or encourage you to submit an LOR from your chain of command (MUSC). Some have veteran recruitment programs, such as UNC. Others have up to 3% veterans in each class per MSAR, such as Wisconsin (not MCW).

I hope that helps somebody, someday.
 

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Keep in mind though, that some of these supposedly "nontrad-friendly" schools put an expiration date on your prerequisites. Many of the NYC private (oddly, not Sinai) and Philly schools want you to have taken or retaken your sciences within the past 5 years. Wright State wants them within the past 10 years. Retakes = more time and $$$

Some schools are specifically veteran friendly and will waive or reimburse your secondary fee (EVMS, ETSU) or encourage you to submit an LOR from your chain of command (MUSC). Some have veteran recruitment programs, such as UNC. Others have up to 3% veterans in each class per MSAR, such as Wisconsin (not MCW).

I hope that helps somebody, someday.
that is a little absolute. most schools that have a 5 year limit on prereqs usually qualify that with needing some recent work see below from Cornell as example

http://weill.cornell.edu/education/admissions/app_req.html
  1. Validity of courses. To fulfill an admissions requirement, courses must have been satisfactorily completed within 10 years of application. We recommend that one or more advanced science course(s) be completed within 5 years of application. All premedical required course work should be completed by January 31 of the year for which admission is sought
 
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My school is VERY non-trad friendly. As someone in-between (one gap year), I find the non-trads to be much better classmates. It wouldn't surprise me to hear adcoms say they almost make better applicants. More mature, less drama, and simply more pleasant to be around. There's people old enough to be my parents in my class. However, my school is very biased to IS residents, so it's not wise to apply solely because we're non-trad friendly.
Thanks for the reply! Which school do you go to?