which osteopathic schools considered top tier? why?
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which schools give preference to residents of same states?
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which schools give preference to residents of same states?
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__________ College of Osteopathic Medicine is definitely considered top tier.
(insert the name of the school the neurotic SDN pre-med is planning on attending in the fall).
while i cannot speak definitively on EVERY school. I can say among the top 3-4 I would list:
PCOM
CCOM
NYCOM
and whatever school still founded, think ATStill Uni?
while not true for NYCOM (dont think it was around), when flexner came out years and years ago MANY MD and most DO schools had to close their doors, among those left open were PCOM, CCOM, Still (under a diff name i believe).
These schools have a long standing reputation of excellence and huge alumni base.
Schools such as... LECOM (no offense) I would be weary of....
PCOM
CCOM
NYCOM
and whatever school still founded, think ATStill Uni?
while not true for NYCOM (dont think it was around), when flexner came out years and years ago MANY MD and most DO schools had to close their doors, among those left open were PCOM, CCOM, Still (under a diff name i believe).
These schools have a long standing reputation of excellence and huge alumni base.
Schools such as... LECOM (no offense) I would be weary of....
Dann, ATSU-KCOM is the old school you're referring to. ATSU-SOMA is their newer branch in AZ.
I think TCOM is in that top tier as well, as their last two classes have been top in the nation for COMLEX level II scores and have an average USMLE step I score that is comparable to the US Allopathic school average.
LECOM has a ton of residency programs and has proven themselves. They have problems like every school. PCOM and the others are not perfect by any stretch. I've had a nightmare of a time with the PCOM office.
Oh and I almost forgot:
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All of the older schools are pretty good i.e. DMU-COM, PCOM, KCUMB, ATSU-KCOM, CCOM. Of course, all anecdotal... except for DMU and KCUMB.
enough douche-baggery for one day okay... lecom can prove themselves all they want, i think they are nothing special. You cannot compare
lecom on the same plate as PCOM, I don't care how awesome you think you are... visit lecom and tell me you wouldn't want to shrivel up and die going to that school.
I still say stick with schools > 100 years old. They probably have the best alumni, the best faculty, and the best rep.
PCOM pwns your mother... and probably your wife/girlfriend/right hand
Classy and ironic.
Note to everyone: Keep it civil in here. You can express your opinion without it getting out of hand.
If you don't know about every school, how can you rank those ahead of others? BTW, not arguing that those aren't great schools. Just questioning your ability to rank schools when you don't know all the schools.
I actually had a follow-up question to the OP's:
Does it really matter what tier medical school you attend? I used to figure that it doesn't, unless you go into research (since coming from a big name school will probably get you more grant money)... But I'm not totally sure about that, haha...
Does it really matter what tier medical school you attend? I used to figure that it doesn't, unless you go into research (since coming from a big name school will probably get you more grant money)... But I'm not totally sure about that, haha...
The only way one could objectively rank each school is if they attended each one... Just reading crap off the internet is no good. Now I know people that attend, and have heard good things from the schools I have listed.
They're medical schools, they grant ****ing degrees. None of them are 'bad', i'm just saying the major ones have been around a while.
PCOM is in a city with 4 other medical schools? Competition makes you better as far as I'm concerned....
If everyone else wants to be gay and cry about it then so be it, i don't care.
my only request is that i don't get 'infarcted' from some lame toolbox who doesn't agree with my point. they can eat it.
They're medical schools, they grant ****ing degrees. None of them are 'bad', i'm just saying the major ones have been around a while.
PCOM is in a city with 4 other medical schools? Competition makes you better as far as I'm concerned....
If everyone else wants to be gay and cry about it then so be it, i don't care.
my only request is that i don't get 'infarcted' from some lame toolbox who doesn't agree with my point. they can eat it.
Dann-yboy - you need to relax a bit. First of all, you're basing your opinion on things that are totally irrelevant. Being older than 100 years hardly says a thing about the quality of a school's education. Not even US News and World Report uses such ridiculous criteria for rankings.
Second, I'm interested on how you came to be so sure of your top tier rankings. From your status, like myself, you haven't even begun medical school (not to mention never attended any of those supposed top ranking ones) so I'd say you hardly have anything to base this on.
The truth of the matter is that, as far as I know, there is no official ranking system for osteopathic medical schools and there aren't any established tiers. You won't find any consensus on it. Gather the facts about the schools in which you are interested, come up with your own ranking system based on your own criteria. It's not many schools, so it shouldn't be difficult.
Thanks for playing. Good luck.
Thanks for playing. Good luck.
As far as I know, the name of the school plays a role to some extent in determining which residency program a student will land on.
And by the way, starting a fight over which school is better wasn't my intention.
It's not really a big role. I'd be more concerned with attending a school where I thought I'd thrive, i.e., where I thought I'd do well in classes, do well on boards, would have the rotation sites that I might want, do well in rotations, etc.
The most important elements to the match are individual. The "name" of the school you attend isn't make or break you, ordinarily, but if you don't have a good residency application, then it won't really matter where you attend.
its comments like this which makes PCOM look bad and convinces me we should just throw your class to the curve. Your elitism is so antiPCOM it isnt even funny and you are a first year, you havent really experience PCOM yet or met LECOM students on the clinical trail. Yes we have a great school but part of what makes it great is the noncompetitive environment which you seem to have forgotten about.
competition makes you better? Come on man, you can't be upset we're the single best class that has ever rocked the sox off ginsburg auditorium.
Holla
I don't know how I got to be the dick in this conversation.
All I was saying was PCOM, as with the other schools listed above were (I beleive for the most part) the ONLY DO schools to remain open post flexner. Which put them right on par with every other medical school in the country at the time. Then I also went on to speak about 100 years of an alumni base.
That was ALL I mentioned and did everyone have to get their panties in a bunch?
No. No they didn't. 👎 not cool.
Holla
I don't know how I got to be the dick in this conversation.
All I was saying was PCOM, as with the other schools listed above were (I beleive for the most part) the ONLY DO schools to remain open post flexner. Which put them right on par with every other medical school in the country at the time. Then I also went on to speak about 100 years of an alumni base.
That was ALL I mentioned and did everyone have to get their panties in a bunch?
No. No they didn't. 👎 not cool.
True, but there is a lot more data to go off of. And in most everyone's circumstances posting in this thread, whether they visited the school or not, an older school is more established and a safer bet than a newer one, all based off of personal opinion (since most of us just visited the school during the school's recruitment phase where their sales pitch was nice and polished aka interviews/tours). US News and World Report... eh, there are lots of great medical schools that are ranked really low on that b/c they don't get as much money for research and/or primary care, thus less amounts of research going on/finished. It's mostly about money.
well..lets look back at your posts..
Don't forget DMU 😀
i know, right? we're all at least of college age, i think we can at least have civilized discussions with each other 🙂
seriously the ranking for osteopathic schools changes EVERY time someone asks the qeustion and its because there ISNT a ranking and any ranking you do receive is going to be based on the opinion of that poster. You can go to one thread and read about how NYCOM is the worst school in the country and then come to this thread and see that someone else consideres it one of the "Best." None of it matters. Apply to schools you think that you will get a good edcuation at and that you think you will be happy at and you will have your list of "Best" schools.
This topic pops up every 6 days.
Honestly, it doesnt matter one single bit.
Honestly, it doesnt matter one single bit.
PCOM has some real mature students representing them in their freshman class. 🙄
To answer the OP, it doesn't matter where you go, especially in the osteopathic world.
👍
Worry about getting in, then worry about graduating.
Let the school's administration worry about jockeying for king of the world.
It's unfortunate that some people make us look bad. I picked PCOM because I'm from PA and its closer than DMU. I really want to be closer to my family and not take a flight if I wanted to go home. I really loved DMU, but I also really loved PCOM. My decision would have been so much harder if both were close to home, but PCOM wins easily for me because of that reason.
We're not all like that guy, promise. 🙂
DannMann is just grumpy this week cause we have our last exam of the term on Thursday. The PCOM class this year overall does not have a competitive personality, although you will find a few who are. My classmates are some of the coolest, nicest, friendliest, and helpful people I have met in my life. I would highly recommend this school to anyone who is in medicine. I feel my education so far has been great.
LOL 👍 you are very wise.
everyone's got their own opinions. i've tried for months to research schools and decide which ones earn my application money... my conclusion is that it's sort of moot. the nice thing about DO schools (and one reason i'm loving the idea of being a DO more every day) is that you get out what you put in for the most part. not that MDs don't get what they work for too, DO schools just appear to be on a more even playing field with each other. older schools have a slight edge in possibly getting you a leg up during residency apps and better rotation selections, newer schools have awesome, brand spanking new facilities (hate on LECOM as much as you want, but you can't deny those hydraulic OMM benches are nifty...). don't sweat it if you only make it into your fourth choice DO school - no one would sink that kind of money into developing a medical school just to watch it go belly up for lack of quality students, rotation sites, etc etc. kick ass on boards, apply to 200 residency programs, and finish at the top of the class.
now if only i could get that acceptance in hand...
I would look at rotation sites and clinical experiences of 3rd and 4th year students and make rankings based on that. The first two years are going to be very similar across all allo and osteo schools (with addition of OMM for example, and assuming you compare PBL vs PBL, lecture vs lecture, etc).
The third and fourth years are where the differences become apparent. How much free time do they give you for electives? When can you schedule them? What about required rotations - does it have an associated hospital that you can do everything at? If so, is it a good hospital where you can get quality experience? If not, can you get quality experience without having to set everything up yourself and moving all around the country? Things like that are much more important (to me anyway), than PBL or lecture or anything in the first two years. Biochem is biochem.
I've heard very good things about PCOM, and NYCOM specifically. I will definitely be applying to those two. There are other good ones too of course, but I have not heard good things regarding rotations for schools like Touro-CA. Perhaps a 3rd/4th year Tuoro-CA student can chime in if I am misinformed. My information comes from speaking personally with two students who were very unhappy with the support provided.
The third and fourth years are where the differences become apparent. How much free time do they give you for electives? When can you schedule them? What about required rotations - does it have an associated hospital that you can do everything at? If so, is it a good hospital where you can get quality experience? If not, can you get quality experience without having to set everything up yourself and moving all around the country? Things like that are much more important (to me anyway), than PBL or lecture or anything in the first two years. Biochem is biochem.
I've heard very good things about PCOM, and NYCOM specifically. I will definitely be applying to those two. There are other good ones too of course, but I have not heard good things regarding rotations for schools like Touro-CA. Perhaps a 3rd/4th year Tuoro-CA student can chime in if I am misinformed. My information comes from speaking personally with two students who were very unhappy with the support provided.
This conversation is funny.
The real deal-- it is not the school that will make you competitive--it is you! If a school is going to provide you with what you need to be successful and you believe in its teaching style, you will do great. I thought going to a good undergrad college would be taken into consideration when applying to medical school, but the truth is, it wasn't and my peers going to CC's were just as competitive. So, that tells me that really ( especially in medicine) you make your own success. The reason they don't rank the DO schools is because they want osteopathic medicine to focus more on patients---and they are building physicians that will serve others rather than serve themselves. Concern yourselves with becoming the best patient advocate you can be, and success will naturally follow. A bitter, competitive person will fail. ALL MEDICAL schools are equal and even the last person in the class will still be called a doctor. Pick your school based on your needs and what will allow you to achieve your own personal best, if that is rotating at hopkins your 3rd and 4th year, than go to a school with rotations there.
In the end, it is really just scores, rank, and personality/ who you know- that will get you were you want to be, so do what you can to be the best in any school. Good luck with your decision.
The real deal-- it is not the school that will make you competitive--it is you! If a school is going to provide you with what you need to be successful and you believe in its teaching style, you will do great. I thought going to a good undergrad college would be taken into consideration when applying to medical school, but the truth is, it wasn't and my peers going to CC's were just as competitive. So, that tells me that really ( especially in medicine) you make your own success. The reason they don't rank the DO schools is because they want osteopathic medicine to focus more on patients---and they are building physicians that will serve others rather than serve themselves. Concern yourselves with becoming the best patient advocate you can be, and success will naturally follow. A bitter, competitive person will fail. ALL MEDICAL schools are equal and even the last person in the class will still be called a doctor. Pick your school based on your needs and what will allow you to achieve your own personal best, if that is rotating at hopkins your 3rd and 4th year, than go to a school with rotations there.
In the end, it is really just scores, rank, and personality/ who you know- that will get you were you want to be, so do what you can to be the best in any school. Good luck with your decision.
That's just not true. Schools do have an effect, especially how/where you can rotate and the quality of those experiences. Schools do make you more or less competitive, that's just the way it is. They never put you out of the running or give you what you want in a platter, but the opportunities you get, the way they are structured, and things like that definitely will make you more competitive.
also having the alumni base is very helpful. Applying for anesthesia this year it was nice to see so many program directors and assistant program directors at allopathic programs were from PCOM.
