Which program should give the diploma if I do a child fellowship?

[vampire_D]

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If I do my first 3 years of general psychiatry residency at program A, and 2 years of child and adolescent fellowship at program B, which program should give me a diploma for completion of general psychiatry? I always thought it would be program B after the first year of child fellowship, but other people tell me it is program A, which does not make much sense to me.

Also, where can I find evidence for this? I tried the ACGME website but could not find the answer there.

 

[billypilgrim37]

Your instincts were correct, Program B gives you diploma for Gen Psych after first year of Child Fellowship. It's as if you never went to Program A at all. Well, not really, but for purposes of this discussion.

Evidence for this is recently attending resident "graduation" where this exact thing occurred.

 

[vampire_D]

I attended the graduation for both programs, and neither gave me a diploma. I asked my current pd, and he said the previous program should. But I don't believe him. Then I asked my colleagues and they got their diploma after 3 years of general psychiatry residency, which totally confuses me. What should I do?

 

[kassy]

did this ever get resolved?

 

[diagonal]

Is this true? You don't get certificates from both programs? That makes no sense.

 

[PistolPete]

My understanding is that I'll get a diploma from my general psych program, stating I have completed 3 years of adult psychiatry. And then when I'm done with fellowship I will get a diploma from my fellowship saying I have finished 2 years of child psychiatry. Either way, it's not a big deal, what really matters is getting the adult and child/adolescent ABPN board certification diploma for both.

 

[OldPsychDoc]

Your diploma comes from the program you finished your PGY4 year in. If you're "fast-tracking", e.g. transferring from a different program after PGY3, they send a letter to your accepting PD with a listing of the requirements completed (and deficiencies if any) to date for your general adult program. Some programs may choose to also acknowledge this with a certificate of sorts, but it's just a "Certificate of Appreciation"--no real value with respect to the ABPN or ACGME.

 

[psychattending]

Your diploma comes from the program you finished your PGY4 year in. If you're "fast-tracking", e.g. transferring from a different program after PGY3, they send a letter to your accepting PD with a listing of the requirements completed (and deficiencies if any) to date for your general adult program. Some programs may choose to also acknowledge this with a certificate of sorts, but it's just a "Certificate of Appreciation"--no real value with respect to the ABPN or ACGME.

Agree with OPD. When you fast track you really are transferring your training from one program to another. It is the child program that will do the final signing off of your training for both general adult and CAP (the original program tells the CAP people what you have or have not done). Your general program might provide you with some documentation that you did your first three years in their program but it does not really mean that much. Some people frame that stuff but I never did. However, when you apply for privileges or licensure, most places will require that you tell them all the places at which you trained and they will send inquires to all those places. When I get them, I just indicate that the person successfully completed x years and had no problems.