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Which Schools Are True Pass/Fail?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by qszwdxefc, May 15, 2014.

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  1. qszwdxefc

    qszwdxefc 2+ Year Member

    Dec 17, 2011
    Just wondering which medical schools use a true, unranked P/F system (as in marks and class rankings won't show up on your transcript). Tried searching around but everything was either in bits and pieces or led to https://www.aamc.org/initiatives/medaps/curriculumreports/ which doesn't currently have any data.

    Last edited: May 15, 2014
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  3. WillburCobb

    WillburCobb I am the pull out king Banned Account on Hold 5+ Year Member

    Most P/F programs rank you, you're just not privy to that info until 4th year.
  4. Xenoblade

    Xenoblade 2+ Year Member

    Jan 29, 2014
    ucla iirc
  5. Isha2018


    Sep 26, 2013
    This is my understanding, too. They have to rank you in order to write your dean's letter for residency apps, right?

    The school I'm going to attend (Texas Tech-El Paso) has true Pass/Fail for the first two years. The third and fourth years have Honors, High Pass, Pass, and Fail (looks a lot like letter grades).
  6. WillburCobb

    WillburCobb I am the pull out king Banned Account on Hold 5+ Year Member

    I'll be attending a school with a similar set-up as well. My understanding, though I could be wrong, has been that although you'll only know if you and your classmates passed or failed actual percentages are kept track-of by profs. for the Dean's Letters and AOA.
  7. medflight2018


    Feb 13, 2014
    UMASS Medical School is true P/F for the first two years. They keep a ranking only for AOA determination, then they destroy the ranking. There is no ranking sent out on residency applications.
  8. qszwdxefc

    qszwdxefc 2+ Year Member

    Dec 17, 2011
    Ah interesting. I guess what I meant by true pass/fail was that on your transcript there is no indication of your numeric mark or class rank.

    Anyone know what schools have this sort of pass/fail?
  9. alamo4

    alamo4 Dudeist 2+ Year Member

    Stanford is true PF for the first two years. No grades in core classes (you can take graded electives if you want at the University as a whole, but I think everyone just takes them pass fail unless they are trying to get an MS or something). There are no transcript grades and no ranking, No AOA at all at the school.

    Clerkships are pass and honors.

    The deans letter tries very hard not to rank students, for better or worse.
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  10. WingedOx

    WingedOx Seriously, Bro? 5+ Year Member

    IIRC Penn doesn't rank you for clinical rotations... they simply give a written evaluation at the end. After all the haggling and subjectivity of getting "honors, excellent, good, etc" in the 3rd year, I would have killed for that. At least if you're going to be ranked on your test scores, you're being graded objectively and you only have your self to credit/blame rather than relying on what some catty ObGyn thinks of your "enthusiasm."

    I once asked one of my deans why we didn't do that, the indirect awkward answer I got was essentially "Penn has Penn's reputation and can get away with that. We can't."
    Last edited: May 17, 2014
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  11. mmmcdowe

    mmmcdowe Duke of minimal vowels Gold Donor SDN Moderator 7+ Year Member

    Sep 12, 2008
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    Columbia does not rank ever and is true p/f during pre-clinicals. The closest thing that they do to ranking you is sending the average classes performance (how many honored, high passed, etc for each rotation).
  12. WingedOx

    WingedOx Seriously, Bro? 5+ Year Member

    Btw, things may have changed since I applied way back when, but if you're really not into ranking, stay as far away from Wayne State as you can.
  13. cyberchicken001

    cyberchicken001 5+ Year Member

    Jun 2, 2011
    You can also add Einstein to the list :thumbup:
  14. breakintheroof

    breakintheroof MS-Zero 2+ Year Member

    Jan 20, 2013
    Yale seems to have no ranking in their first two years, per the description of the Yale System.
  15. breakintheroof

    breakintheroof MS-Zero 2+ Year Member

    Jan 20, 2013
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  16. funknewbious

    funknewbious MS-1 2+ Year Member

    Oct 23, 2013
    Somewhere in Massachusetts
    From what I was told by several MS1s at UMass, there is no ranking at all until MS3 rotations, making it a truly P/NP grading system. AOA is determined by step scores and clinical evaluations/shelf exams.

    Could be wrong though.
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