Which would be a good choice?

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

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Aren't you a sophomore, why have you resolved yourself already to fall-back on osteopathy? You need to focus on getting into a medical school instead of already resolving to get into just a DO program.

Then again, if you spend as much time studying as you do on SDN whining about how DO =/= MD maybe you could get into a real medical school.

Meh, studying is for losers.... audio osmosis ftw! You jelly?

Btw, while I am more pragmatic... I do consider MD = DO; and that smart DO's can easily get into almost every residency a MD can..

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Problem is that most SMPs are allopathic which require a 3.0 minimum. I think not many of us understand the Osteopathic ones.

The DO SMP's are more or less more post-baccs which offer students who do well a chance to automatically enroll in the school.

 

[techko]

And I Was Like = md student
Girl Please = do student
make up your dmmn mind

 

[TriagePreMed]

And I Was Like = md student
Girl Please = do student
make up your dmmn mind

I'm waiting for the Caribbean version.

 

[Girl Please]

I'm not "And I Was Like" - not that it matters. Her points and mine aren't any less valid. If it lets you sleep better at night to think that you're stats weren't significantly inferior to that of an MD student, go ahead - but it doesn't change the reality that a vast majority of you, as And I Was Like posted in a previous thread, are MD-rejects. There's nothing wrong with this! Just own up to it and prove you can be the best physician you can be anyway!

Also, I love how Osteopathy students talk down about IMGs, but then get their panties in a bunch when a MD makes a comment about them. Hypocrisy, thy name is MD-rejects.

 

[Mbeas]

I'm not "And I Was Like" - not that it matters. Her points and mine aren't any less valid. If it lets you sleep better at night to think that you're stats weren't significantly inferior to that of an MD student, go ahead - but it doesn't change the reality that a vast majority of you, as And I Was Like posted in a previous thread, are MD-rejects. There's nothing wrong with this! Just own up to it and prove you can be the best physician you can be anyway!

Also, I love how Osteopathy students talk down about IMGs, but then get their panties in a bunch when a MD makes a comment about them. Hypocrisy, thy name is MD-rejects.

Have fun getting banned again!

What is your next username, btw?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

So is "I Got my hair did" also the part of this entity?

And I was like, Girl please, I got my hair did.... By Dr. Fraud

 

[TriagePreMed]

So is "I Got my hair did" also the part of this entity?

And I was like, Girl please, I got my hair did.... By Dr. Fraud

LOL that would be so epic if Dr. Fraud was behind this.

 

[Mbeas]

So is "I Got my hair did" also the part of this entity?

And I was like, Girl please, I got my hair did.... By Dr. Fraud

LOL probably...back to AUC pal.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

LOL that would be so epic if Dr. Fraud was behind this.

I've got doubts in regards to whether or not he's the one behind this all. I mean, there is some evidence, but I don't particularly think he has all that much time to play this game. Anyways, my comment was more to imply that Dr. Fraud would be a hair stylist after he graduated from AUC, than an accusation.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

I'm not "And I Was Like" - not that it matters. Her points and mine aren't any less valid. If it lets you sleep better at night to think that you're stats weren't significantly inferior to that of an MD student, go ahead - but it doesn't change the reality that a vast majority of you, as And I Was Like posted in a previous thread, are MD-rejects. There's nothing wrong with this! Just own up to it and prove you can be the best physician you can be anyway!

Also, I love how Osteopathy students talk down about IMGs, but then get their panties in a bunch when a MD makes a comment about them. Hypocrisy, thy name is MD-rejects.

Yes, one is going to be dreaming about getting an IM residency in a place no one has ever heard of( FMG).. the other might have a hard time getting into derm (DO)...
Alright, I'll appease you a little.
MD>DO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foreign MD.

 

[HM3]

And I Was Like makes good points but she/it comes but seems to be trolling as it uses offensive wording. I'm sure the answer of the MD/DO debate is somewhere in the middle.

Above poster is no better IMO.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

And I Was Like makes good points but she/it comes but seems to be trolling as it uses offensive wording. I'm sure the answer of the MD/DO debate is somewhere in the middle.

Above poster is no better IMO.

Somethings she/he said were somewhat true. However when she/he began to basically rag on DO students as inferior to MD students and that their education was less, then she became a troll.

And in what regards am I no better? 🙄

 

[HM3]

Somethings she/he said were somewhat true. However when she/he began to basically rag on DO students as inferior to MD students and that their education was less, then she became a troll.

And in what regards am I no better? 🙄

Not you, the Girl Please person.

 

[Iliketoytles]

Alright guys, nothing to see here. Move along.... 😎

 

[AlfredJPrufrock]

So long story short, I was forced to apply DO to appease the parents. No chance of getting in, but I'm looking at SMPS/masters programs for Fall 2012.
Stats:

cGPA: 2.92 (AACOMAS), 2.84 (school--they incorporate retakes really wierdly)
sGPA: 2.64 AACOMAS and school
MCAT: 2x: May 2010--> 28S: 11V, 10B, 6P; Jan 2011-->26R: 10V, 8B, 8P (I don't know how/why my score went down... :/)

EC's:

ER scribe (3 years): have worked at 3 diff hospitals including one of a major med school. Excellent LOR from them
Heavily involved in volunteer work/fundraising for an epidemic (was director for the organization my senior yr)
Tutored incarcerated youth for GED x1 yr
Center for International Medicine volunteer x1 year
I have also been doing research with a physician at a local teaching hospital x1 year and am close to being done/published

My stats are pretty sucky since the ER job was $$ and some serious family/financial issues required me to work full time (i was usually working the graveyard and then attending class in the am). Not that that's an excuse for my sucky transcript, but I def wasn't having fun or going to keggers (Maybe i'd feel a little better about my incredibly horrible ug if I had...)

I'm also taking a 3 semester unit class right now (it's a health class, so I don't think it'll go under bcpm, and I plan on retaking a c- I have in chemistry next semester--granted I get in--WOOHOO CA budget cuts). I'm looking at some SMPs right now but, not gonna lie, I'm pretty depressed since my gpa seems to be too low...

Any suggestions which SMPS I should apply to?

I'm interested in the one Western, LECOM, PCOM-GA, VCU, Mississippi College...any advice? I want to go DO route for sure, it aligns with my personal beliefs pretty closely in terms of preventative medicine and i have a reallly good LOR from my medical anthro professor backing that up.

thanks in advance

You should be able to get into SMPs. I attended GA-PCOM and I enjoyed going there, but I switched out to complete my MS at a much less expensive program. I know people that attended the SMP program with a much lower GPA, yet excelled in the MS program and were ultimately accepted. I have heard that VCOMs SMP program will give you an automatic interview with a first year SMP GPA above 3.5. It is a little late to sway your GPA from it's unfortunately low score (unless you have F's). I've been told by admissions that retaking a course should be an instant A, and anything else would be considered poor. Attending an SMP or MS program will show your seriousness and dedication, which should make up for your past poor performance.

 

[physcigirl27]

You should be able to get into SMPs. I attended GA-PCOM and I enjoyed going there, but I switched out to complete my MS at a much less expensive program. I know people that attended the SMP program with a much lower GPA, yet excelled in the MS program and were ultimately accepted. I have heard that VCOMs SMP program will give you an automatic interview with a first year SMP GPA above 3.5. It is a little late to sway your GPA from it's unfortunately low score (unless you have F's). I've been told by admissions that retaking a course should be an instant A, and anything else would be considered poor. Attending an SMP or MS program will show your seriousness and dedication, which should make up for your past poor performance.

SO basically I just checked my AACOMAS app and my sci gpa is a 2.66 and cum is a 3.00...
I know that's still so horrible, but I got a little happier when I saw those numbers...of course my transcript says 2.86 or whatever...hopefully that doesn't matter!

Also what were your stats if you don't mind me asking? thanks!

 

[AACmd]

I have a 3.6 and a 30.... i may or may not get accepted to an MD school or two.


Would I choose some DO schools over some MD schools? Yes.

Iwaslike/Girl Please may not agree but there is no doubt in my mind that some DO schools can be held in higher regard than some MD schools. "MD" is not an automatic gold standard IMHO. My state has 7 MD schools and 2 DO schools and (although I wont name any specifically) I can confidently say that those 2 DO schools are higher on my list than some of the MD schools I applied to. I'm more worried about where I'm going to be happiest and who will give me a quality medical education; less worried about whether or not civilians with no training (or an ignoramus such as Girl Please) will judge me because of the letters behind my name. I just want to be trained into a good physician and get on with my life.

 

[Instatewaiter]

You should be able to get into SMPs. I attended GA-PCOM and I enjoyed going there, but I switched out to complete my MS at a much less expensive program. I know people that attended the SMP program with a much lower GPA, yet excelled in the MS program and were ultimately accepted. I have heard that VCOMs SMP program will give you an automatic interview with a first year SMP GPA above 3.5. It is a little late to sway your GPA from it's unfortunately low score (unless you have F's). I've been told by admissions that retaking a course should be an instant A, and anything else would be considered poor. Attending an SMP or MS program will show your seriousness and dedication, which should make up for your past poor performance.

Unfortunately, SMPs are really for people with one hit- either GPA OR MCAT- not both. Generally, the people who get the most bang for their buck are those with high MCAT and low GPAs. It shows the GPA was a maturity issue and the issue is resolved. Those who have low MCAT scores are still felt to be at higher risk for USMLE failure, understandably since both are standardized tests. So for the above poster you quoted, while an SMP would help, he/she would get more out of it with a higher MCAT.

 

[physcigirl27]

so update. I got into LMU-DCOM's post bacc and William Carey. I'm still waiting to hear back from:

Western
LECOM
PCOM-GA, Philly
TOURO NYCOM

lmu-dcom vs AZCOM vs William Carey, which would you choose?

(western's my top choice, followed up by LECOM)

LMU-DCOM:
pro--everyone I've talked to seems to LOVE it, small, affordable living expenses
cons--not a guaranteed acceptance, only guarantees interview, location, not a degree

AZCOM:
pros--closest to home, seems to be "most established", I heard it's a fairly high linkage into DO
cons--large class size, (don't know what else), heard its expensive (i can't seem to find the tuition for the life of me)

William Carey (spoke to someone in the program a few days ago):
pros--very small size, take classes with med students, is a degree granting program
cons--out of the 4 people that have applied to WCU-COM, no one's heard back yet, location

I'm driving myself crazy already with these three so if someone can help me out (with narrowing down the list of schools) that would be awesome!

thanks!

 

[Iliketoytles]

so update. I got into LMU-DCOM's post bacc and William Carey. I'm still waiting to hear back from:

Western
LECOM
PCOM-GA, Philly
TOURO NYCOM

lmu-dcom vs AZCOM vs William Carey, which would you choose?

(western's my top choice, followed up by LECOM)

LMU-DCOM:
pro--everyone I've talked to seems to LOVE it, small, affordable living expenses
cons--not a guaranteed acceptance, only guarantees interview, location, not a degree

AZCOM:
pros--heard its expensive (i can't seem to find the tuition for the life of me), closest to home
cons--large class size, (don't know what else)

William Carey (spoke to someone in the program a few days ago):
pros--very small size, take classes with med students, is a degree granting program
cons--out of the 4 people that have applied to WCU-COM, no one's heard back yet, location

I'm driving myself crazy already with these three so if someone can help me out (with narrowing down the list of schools) that would be awesome!

thanks!

For AZCOM, why would it being more expensive be a "pro"? I think you flip-flopped the pro/con? Large class size would still be a con for me though.

Either way, I've heard tremendous things about AZCOM. I haven't really heard much about William Carey or LMU... but I'm sure they are good schools. I'd go with AZCOM though.

 

[physcigirl27]

For AZCOM, why would it being more expensive be a "pro"? I think you flip-flopped the pro/con? Large class size would still be a con for me though.

Either way, I've heard tremendous things about AZCOM. I haven't really heard much about William Carey or LMU... but I'm sure they are good schools. I'd go with AZCOM though.

you are right. Clearly this shows how crazy this is driving me. =)
Being from CA and going to gunner UG school, I've heard very little about any of them. William Carey wasn't even an option until I randomly came across it and had a 2 hour phone convo with someone in the program who was RAVING about it.

yes large class size is a huge con for me only because i had a miserable UG experience with 300+ students trying to beat everyone else.

Is there a better AZCOM school (in terms of linkage) or anything?

 

[Art3MiS]

Jeebus, can you at least admit that you misread her post at first? In no way did OP say she wanted to "settle" for osteopathic programs - in fact, she WANTS to go DO. I'll admit, her initial point was muddy at first, but if you read the rest of her post you can see that she was encouraged to apply to medical school in general during her year off.

Hey OP: again, you need to look at SMPs and post-bacs with linkage, like NSU/Western/LECOM. GPA/MCAT will likely be too low for this cycle, so don't pin your hopes on getting a surprise interview. Apply broadly for SMP/PB, and work your way up through your retakes.

Touro-NV also has a linkage program

 

[physcigirl27]

From what I heard touring the Touro-CA campus is that the only way to NOT get into the school after their SMP is by getting a GPA below 3.0.

If you're going to invest on an SMP, don't go to one that doesn't at least offer some kind of degree. That's just a waste if you don't get accepted anywhere.

I haven't looked into Touro-CA/NV programs, I did look at the NYCOM one but they want a gpa that's 3.5 for a guaranteed seat. will look into those, thanks!

I agree...the non-degree granting aspect of LMU-DCOM's post bacc is making me nervous

 

[pancakesyrup]

so update. I got into LMU-DCOM's post bacc and William Carey.

.........

thanks!

Wait, how did you get into William Carey when just a few days ago you were wondering whether you'd apply?

I'm debating applying to this program but have not been able to find ANYTHING on sdn (or anywhere else for that matter). Does anyone know anything about the program? Is it worth it? Pros/cons? anything?

 

[physcigirl27]

sorry I was thinking about something else when typing so it came out wrong. I mean to say "I'm debating ATTENDING this program" not applying. my bad. =)

 

[yellowperil]

sorry I was thinking about something else when typing so it came out wrong. I mean to say "I'm debating ATTENDING this program" not applying. my bad. =)

Go to a program that offer you a seat in their medical school if you meet their certain gpa requirement. SMP is like a "hell merry" basically.

 

[zoomzoom123]

Go to a program that offer you a seat in their medical school if you meet their certain gpa requirement. SMP is like a "hell merry" basically.

"hail mary"?

 

[physcigirl27]

Go to a program that offer you a seat in their medical school if you meet their certain gpa requirement. SMP is like a "hell merry" basically.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like almost all the DO programs I've looked at tend to, at most, guarantee an interview.

LMU-DCOM: guaranteed interview if you have 3.0 (??) and a certain MCAT score
WCU: admissions people on the site say that "there is no direct linkage but completing the program will be looked up favorably by the medical school", when I spoke to the ONE person that I could get a hold of from the SMP here, they said that they basically put your application to the side if you successfully complete it and people "almost always" get in.
PCOM: I don't think there's a seat guarantee here either; just an interview
LECOM: I wont be applying until I get my semester grades so no clue if I even have a shot but this is one of the 2 that DOES have a direct linkage with a certain gpa in the program
NYCOM: this is the other one that offers a direct linkage if you have a certain gpa
Western: has certain spots for direct linkage.

 

[DrWily]

Interviews are just that, interviews. They aren't a guarantee whatsoever. You could still bomb the interview or rub someone the wrong way. I'd look at applying to programs that have a guaranteed linkage like Westerns if you are for sure going to do an SMP. Why not just do some retakes/upper divs to get your GPA up instead of an SMP?

 

[tenndoc]

ive been skimming this thread and very glad certain people got the banhammer...

anyway... if it gets you an interview, go for it. all you need is a foot in the door and a little luck. regardless of what your choice is, you HAVE to do well. this is a second chance for you of sorts and if you repeat the UG gpa trend.... you=toast. good luck! i might be seeing you at LMU, PCOM, or WCU

 

[physcigirl27]

Interviews are just that, interviews. They aren't a guarantee whatsoever. You could still bomb the interview or rub someone the wrong way. I'd look at applying to programs that have a guaranteed linkage like Westerns if you are for sure going to do an SMP. Why not just do some retakes/upper divs to get your GPA up instead of an SMP?

Thanks to budget cuts in this state it's been nearly impossible for me to even enroll in ONE class. I finally got into the chem class I needed to retake and that was after someone finally dropped the class, so at this rate I'm gonna be waiting for 5 years to retake classes.

 

[manubrium]

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like almost all the DO programs I've looked at tend to, at most, guarantee an interview.

LMU-DCOM: guaranteed interview if you have 3.0 (??) and a certain MCAT score
WCU: admissions people on the site say that "there is no direct linkage but completing the program will be looked up favorably by the medical school", when I spoke to the ONE person that I could get a hold of from the SMP here, they said that they basically put your application to the side if you successfully complete it and people "almost always" get in.
PCOM: I don't think there's a seat guarantee here either; just an interview
LECOM: I wont be applying until I get my semester grades so no clue if I even have a shot but this is one of the 2 that DOES have a direct linkage with a certain gpa in the program
NYCOM: this is the other one that offers a direct linkage if you have a certain gpa
Western: has certain spots for direct linkage.

good list. i'm adding
tcom: interview if 3.5 gpa and "competitive" mcat (offer not guaranteed)

 

[xXIDaShizIXx]

The AOA refers to their programs as "osteopathic programs" or "Osteopathic medical schools". Allopathic is a derogatory term used by the AOA and other osteopathic organizations to refer to MDs. MD programs are medical schools. DO programs are osteopathic medical schools or simply osteopathic programs. So when I say medical school, it's MD programs. There's the extra qualifier word "osteopathic" on DO programs. Any attempt to not qualify DO programs as osteopathic is misleading.

Also, I'm aware that recently the AMA has been refering to medical schools as "Allopathic" in order to distinguish themselves from Osteopathic programs. It's done simply to alleviate confusion when both medical schools and osteopathic programs are being talked about in the same article.

Allopathic is a slur and should be treated as such.

Wow someone has feelings of resentment.