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As much as I hate to say it, subjectivity is needed to trim down thousands (sometimes >10k) apps to just a few hundred students. It's a rough, closed, process, but I truly think medical schools end up getting it right when choosing individuals to attend their school.
 
If the OP really had a 4.0/40 and didnt get in anywhere, then...I'm really impressed.
 
The OP is kinda right. Most premeds do volunteer work and research just so they can put it down on their app or get a rec letter. It's all superficial. Most people really don't have a genuine interest in volunteering nor research; they just act like they do during the interviews. Also, LORs is all about sucking up to a professor. Even if you get an A or A+ in the class, and you don't visit office hours, you're most likely not going to get an excellent LOR, just a good one. The only way is to go to office hours and kiss some major a**. The admission process is bulls***. The people who do the best in the interviews are usually people who fake it the best.
 
ranson said:
The OP is kinda right. Most premeds do volunteer work and research just so they can put it down on their app or get a rec letter. It's all superficial. Most people really don't have a genuine interest in volunteering nor research; they just act like they do during the interviews. Also, LORs is all about sucking up to a professor. Even if you get an A or A+ in the class, and you don't visit office hours, you're most likely not going to get an excellent LOR, just a good one. The only way is to go to office hours and kiss some major a**. The admission process is bulls***. The people who do the best in the interviews are usually people who fake it the best.
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True for some, not true for others. The others get into medical school, all else return to start and do not collect $200.
 
serenade said:
True for some, not true for others. The others get into medical school, all else return to start and do not collect $200.
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A lot of people who gain entrance into medical school fall under the description of my post.
 
ranson said:
A lot of people who gain entrance into medical school fall under the description of my post.
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Eh, maybe. But you don't have to fall under that description if you don't want to, volunteering and research can be both fun. It's all about finding the place which fits your personality and interests, then you pretty much can say that you have a genuine appreciation and will sound convincing to your ADCOMS.
 
serenade said:
Eh, maybe. But you don't have to fall under that description if you don't want to, volunteering and research can be both fun. It's all about finding the place which fits your personality and interests, then you pretty much can say that you have a genuine appreciation and will sound convincing to your ADCOMS.
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I liked volunteering... SOMETIMES... the nurses you're around make all the difference. If they hate pre-meds, then your life sucks. If not, then it can be very awesome.

Research is all dependent on the lab you're working in.

If you have an awesome PI... then it's great.
 
FOR THE RECORD:

I'm applying this year, I haven't ever been rejected. I'm probably going to get in too, suckers!

I have a hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year. Just a bit of advice for the scrubs on this forum: spending some time in the gym, buying nice clothes, and owning an expensive car can actually get you places with women.

Now on to my main point.

I agree that doctors should be compassionate, honest, and leaders.

HOWEVER, you CANNOT measure these qualities by looking at a person's EC list.

Why?

1) Most people do ECs JUST to get into medical school. They wouldn't have done them if they weren't trying to get into medical school. It's therefore impossible to tell who is REALLY compassionate, versus who is just doing it to get in.

2) It's impossible to QUANTIFY how compassionate somebody is based on their ECs. Person A volunteered in the hospital, caring for the elderly. Person B volunteered for Big Sisters, mentoring underpriveledged children. Who is more compassionate? Some people would say person A, some people would say person B. Therefore, it's impossible to put a NUMBER on how compassionate somebody is, making the process UNFAIR.

3) Science says that the interview is complete crap. Studies show that job interviews have no correlation with job performance. Studies also show that, people base hiring decisions within the first 10 seconds of meeting a person, before a word even comes out of their mouth. Mull that over for a while.

The fact is that if your GPA is less than 3.7, you are a SCRUB. Given the VAST number of ******s in our "higher" education system, you couldn't even manage to get in the top 20% of your class? YOU SUCK.
 
hooligan said:
FOR THE RECORD:

I'm applying this year, I haven't ever been rejected. I'm probably going to get in too, suckers!

I have a hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year. Just a bit of advice for the scrubs on this forum: spending some time in the gym, buying nice clothes, and owning an expensive car can actually get you places with women.
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:laugh:

As someone who actually has, does, and owns all those things... you don't act like someone who does.... why do I say that? Primarily the obvious insecurity. Also, you're too angry.
 
While the OP is likely an unrefined prole, I do not disagree with the general premise. Medical school admissions is a demarchy masquerading as a meritocracy.


Standard metrics would be the most objective criteria in the medical schools admissions process. Certainly, these criteria are emphasized in admissions, but the data shown by the AAMC (see the MCAT/GPA grid) shows that a significant and far too large percentage is left out. An average applicant, one with a 3.60-3.79 grade point average and 30-32 MCAT, has a greater than 1 in 4 chance of not getting into ANY medical school. These metrics have largely been the determinant of medical school admissions in the past. Somehow, America, and doctors, was able to prosper. Most of the rest of the world’s universities use standardized metrics as the sole determinant, and their civilizations remain intact.


But there has been a reduction in emphasis on objective criteria, which has led to an increase in emphasis on subjective criteria. These subjective criteria now have greater importance and even favor certain classes. Who needs legacy admissions when adcoms look favorably upon activities that only the children of doctors (like theirs!) can afford to partake in! Other ridiculous criteria are heavily sought out. Athletic prowess is admissions gold -- medical school intramural teams are serious bidness. Hey, did you fight for social justice for the LGBT community? Accepted! Member of (desired) racial/ethnic group? Scholarship! That 3.4 is no biggie, you got life experiences, brah.


Enough about these ridiculous criteria. Did you clean stuff at a hospital? Yeah, now you really know what you’re getting into. What better way to show your altruism than through forced volunteering in an attempt to fulfill an unwritten requirement. Hopefully, you eventually receive some interview invites as you continue along your doctor path. Have you plunked down a few hundred dollars for airfare+hotel? Well, the school forgot to tell you that they interview 1000 people for 350 acceptances. Hope your interviewer likes you (FWIW, consider making up an uncle that lives in the area. Sprinkle in some cousins that you love to death).


<clever internet phrase>


< tl;dr internet meme.gif>


Pre-med: <breathless defense> <rationalization>


Med student: <anecdote> <data set of one> <see, there!>
 
ranson said:
The OP is kinda right. Most premeds do volunteer work and research just so they can put it down on their app or get a rec letter. It's all superficial. Most people really don't have a genuine interest in volunteering nor research; they just act like they do during the interviews. Also, LORs is all about sucking up to a professor. Even if you get an A or A+ in the class, and you don't visit office hours, you're most likely not going to get an excellent LOR, just a good one. The only way is to go to office hours and kiss some major a**. The admission process is bulls***. The people who do the best in the interviews are usually people who fake it the best.
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I think this is only a major problem if you've only taken large intro classes and interacted with professors on a superficial level.

hooligan said:
FOR THE RECORD:

I'm applying this year, I haven't ever been rejected. I'm probably going to get in too, suckers!

I have a hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year. Just a bit of advice for the scrubs on this forum: spending some time in the gym, buying nice clothes, and owning an expensive car can actually get you places with women.

Now on to my main point.

I agree that doctors should be compassionate, honest, and leaders.

HOWEVER, you CANNOT measure these qualities by looking at a person's EC list.

Why?

1) Most people do ECs JUST to get into medical school. They wouldn't have done them if they weren't trying to get into medical school. It's therefore impossible to tell who is REALLY compassionate, versus who is just doing it to get in.

2) It's impossible to QUANTIFY how compassionate somebody is based on their ECs. Person A volunteered in the hospital, caring for the elderly. Person B volunteered for Big Sisters, mentoring underpriveledged children. Who is more compassionate? Some people would say person A, some people would say person B. Therefore, it's impossible to put a NUMBER on how compassionate somebody is, making the process UNFAIR.

3) Science says that the interview is complete crap. Studies show that job interviews have no correlation with job performance. Studies also show that, people base hiring decisions within the first 10 seconds of meeting a person, before a word even comes out of their mouth. Mull that over for a while.

The fact is that if your GPA is less than 3.7, you are a SCRUB. Given the VAST number of ******s in our "higher" education system, you couldn't even manage to get in the top 20% of your class? YOU SUCK.
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So I realise that this person is probably just a troll, but it does seem like some people agree with him about volunteering and research being just bs resume padding, with which I disagree. I think that it's completely possible that many of us go into volunteering & research with the intention of just filling up time and having something to talk about in the medical applications. However, I think it's hard not to learn about yourself and the field of medicine during all those hours of patient contact, etc. I've known several pre-meds who realized that they wouldn't be able to enjoy working with patients and quit. It's kind of like being forced to work a part-time job. It doesn't really matter that you did it for the money because at the end of the day the experience is still valuable for its own sake.

Also, I agree that having a background of volunteering, research, etc. does not necessarily mean that a person is genuinely committed to medicine. I would, however, assert that the converse is true: a person who is genuinely committed to medicine will necessarily have some background/EC/etc. that indicate his or her interest. Since the converse is true, the inverse is true: a person who has NO relevant background/ECs whatsoever is not committed to medicine. Therefore, by requiring these activities, medical schools can at least weed out the people who don't even care enough to try to expose themselves to medicine and scientific thinking.
 
hooligan said:
I have a hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year. Just a bit of advice for the scrubs on this forum: spending some time in the gym, buying nice clothes, and owning an expensive car can actually get you places with women.
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There, we still don't believe you but do you feel better? :meanie:
 
hooligan said:
FOR THE RECORD:

I'm applying this year, I haven't ever been rejected. I'm probably going to get in too, suckers!

I have a hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year. Just a bit of advice for the scrubs on this forum: spending some time in the gym, buying nice clothes, and owning an expensive car can actually get you places with women.
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You sound like a high school WoW fanatic that just read The Game. "hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year"(?) lol What is that? ...sounds like talk from the playground. "My mommy lets me stay up past 10 o'clock, including during the school year!"

hooligan said:
The fact is that if your GPA is less than 3.7, you are a SCRUB. Given the VAST number of ******s in our "higher" education system, you couldn't even manage to get in the top 20% of your class? YOU SUCK.
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lmao :laugh:
 
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LuciusVorenus said:
You're becoming a MD, not a PhD. Your GPA/MCAT show how well you can grasp technical details. However, that ultimately doesn't guarantee that you'll become a successful doctor.

There's a lot more to medicine than just being able to correlate symptoms with disease. You have to show yourself to be trustworthy (you're being given very sensitive information by strangers), honest (way too easy to commit fraud/mess with narcotics), be sure that you actually ENJOY medicine (you'll be spending your entire youth doing nothing but studying it), and ultimately come off as compassionate (to get the symptoms in the first place, you need to be able to effectively communicate with not so nice people).

For example, George Harrison's oncologist might have been a very smart man, but he was obviously not a very good doctor (for those of you who don't know the awkward story, read up on it).

http://nymag.com/nymetro/health/features/10817/

TL;DR: House is not a real doctor.
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I agree with this post.
 
Frazier said:
hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year"



lmao :laugh:
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things we know about OP:

1. hes never been to college bc he thinks most people dont hook up "during the school year"
2. hes a virgin
3. hes sexually frustrated
3.5. ^ cuz hes a virgin
4. he plays WoW
4.5. ^where he first practiced his hot blonde girlfriend who he hooks up with during the school year speech
5. he didnt get into med school / If his stats are real, hes going to fit into that 7% of people with a 3.9-4.0 gpa and 40+ MCAT whoh dont get in anywhere
7. hell be reposting this thread again next year after not getting into med school (again?)
8. hell still be a virgin

oh and I forgot!
6. he thinks second base feels like jelly.
6.5 also cuz hes a virgin
 
hooligan said:
FOR THE RECORD:

I'm applying this year, I haven't ever been rejected. I'm probably going to get in too, suckers!

I have a hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year. Just a bit of advice for the scrubs on this forum: spending some time in the gym, buying nice clothes, and owning an expensive car can actually get you places with women.
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If you are a d'bag or not, this post makes you sound like one. Even if my PCP was the smartest PCP out there, I would not want him to give me any care if he believes that banging some tubby 4 times a week makes him successful in life. Fin.
 
alexandertg6 said:
things we know about OP:

1. hes never been to college bc he thinks most people dont hook up "during the school year"
2. hes a virgin
3. hes sexually frustrated
3.5. ^ cuz hes a virgin
4. he plays WoW
4.5. ^where he first practiced his hot blonde girlfriend who he hooks up with during the school year speech
5. he didnt get into med school / If his stats are real, hes going to fit into that 7% of people with a 3.9-4.0 gpa and 40+ MCAT whoh dont get in anywhere
7. hell be reposting this thread again next year after not getting into med school (again?)
8. hell still be a virgin

oh and I forgot!
6. he thinks second base feels like jelly.
6.5 also cuz hes a virgin
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wat
 
alexandertg6 said:
things we know about OP:

1. hes never been to college bc he thinks most people dont hook up "during the school year"
2. hes a virgin
3. hes sexually frustrated
3.5. ^ cuz hes a virgin
4. he plays WoW
4.5. ^where he first practiced his hot blonde girlfriend who he hooks up with during the school year speech
5. he didnt get into med school / If his stats are real, hes going to fit into that 7% of people with a 3.9-4.0 gpa and 40+ MCAT whoh dont get in anywhere
7. hell be reposting this thread again next year after not getting into med school (again?)
8. hell still be a virgin

oh and I forgot!
6. he thinks second base feels like jelly.
6.5 also cuz hes a virgin
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Excellent work reading between the lines. I was wondering why he underlined that one part. :eyebrow:
 
alexandertg6 said:
6. he thinks second base feels like jelly.
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hooligan said:
I have a hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year. Just a bit of advice for the scrubs on this forum: spending some time in the gym, buying nice clothes, and owning an expensive car can actually get you places with women..
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That's it?
 
Pooper McGoo said:
While the OP is likely an unrefined prole, I do not disagree with the general premise. Medical school admissions is a demarchy masquerading as a meritocracy.


Standard metrics would be the most objective criteria in the medical schools admissions process. Certainly, these criteria are emphasized in admissions, but the data shown by the AAMC (see the MCAT/GPA grid) shows that a significant and far too large percentage is left out. An average applicant, one with a 3.60-3.79 grade point average and 30-32 MCAT, has a greater than 1 in 4 chance of not getting into ANY medical school. These metrics have largely been the determinant of medical school admissions in the past. Somehow, America, and doctors, was able to prosper. Most of the rest of the world’s universities use standardized metrics as the sole determinant, and their civilizations remain intact.


But there has been a reduction in emphasis on objective criteria, which has led to an increase in emphasis on subjective criteria. These subjective criteria now have greater importance and even favor certain classes. Who needs legacy admissions when adcoms look favorably upon activities that only the children of doctors (like theirs!) can afford to partake in! Other ridiculous criteria are heavily sought out. Athletic prowess is admissions gold -- medical school intramural teams are serious bidness. Hey, did you fight for social justice for the LGBT community? Accepted! Member of (desired) racial/ethnic group? Scholarship! That 3.4 is no biggie, you got life experiences, brah.


Enough about these ridiculous criteria. Did you clean stuff at a hospital? Yeah, now you really know what you’re getting into. What better way to show your altruism than through forced volunteering in an attempt to fulfill an unwritten requirement. Hopefully, you eventually receive some interview invites as you continue along your doctor path. Have you plunked down a few hundred dollars for airfare+hotel? Well, the school forgot to tell you that they interview 1000 people for 350 acceptances. Hope your interviewer likes you (FWIW, consider making up an uncle that lives in the area. Sprinkle in some cousins that you love to death).


<clever internet phrase>


< tl;dr internet meme.gif>


Pre-med: <breathless defense> <rationalization>


Med student: <anecdote> <data set of one> <see, there!>
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OP stop making new accounts!
 
Newsflash: there are more than enough people with good MCAT/GPAs to fill up med schools. That's not the problem. It's a buyer's market, and you're not the buyer.
 
Slack3r said:
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That's it?
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The guy is definitely a virgin if he thinks 4 times a week is a lot (as an undergrad). Also, definitely not getting laid if he feels it's necessary to specify how many times he's getting laid in a week.
 
hooligan said:
FOR THE RECORD:

I'm applying this year, I haven't ever been rejected. I'm probably going to get in too, suckers!

I have a hot blonde girlfriend who I hook up with 4 times a week, including during the school year. Just a bit of advice for the scrubs on this forum: spending some time in the gym, buying nice clothes, and owning an expensive car can actually get you places with women.
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I don't think you can really consider your hand to be a "blonde"...
 
Having a high GPA with no responsibilities isn't that easy. Plus, the majority of college students only have ECs as hanging out and having fun. But, there are still quite a few who have legit ECs. You don't have to have a lot, but just some to show off the balance, and jump through the hoops. Everyone has to jump through them, and it'll be worth it if medicine is your goal 🙂
 
KnuxNole said:
Having a high GPA with no responsibilities isn't that easy. Plus, the majority of college students only have ECs as hanging out and having fun. But, there are still quite a few who have legit ECs. You don't have to have a lot, but just some to show off the balance, and jump through the hoops. Everyone has to jump through them, and it'll be worth it if medicine is your goal 🙂
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Is it really worth it? Or will you become one of those MD/MBA consultants/businessmen with no residency? 🙄
 
Patchy said:
Another option would be to double the application fees and double the tuition for med school. That will cut down on the number of applications. The people remaining will be more committed to medicine instead of less committed. Students are borrowing against future income, so it's not about their wealth before med school. Then, the added fees and tuition the med school could donate directly to poor and sick people. Write them checks instead of having pre-meds (and high school students) hovering around them as part of the game plan to get into academic programs. That would be simpler, more effective and more honest and straightforward than things I've heard about among the ultimate applicant types.
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This is possibly one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
 
Require an organ donation upon matriculation and a 10-year contract to work for the "needs of the country" upon graduation 😀
 
As a current Medical Student. I must agree with the OP. Admission really should be based on MCAT/GPA and a pass/fail interview.

Everything else is just subjective figures which often leads to discrimination. It is ridiculously hard to get a good shadowship if you are not family with a current doctor. No big name hospital is gonna take you in if you don't know people, unless your one of the lucky few that got it without any contacts. Most people I know that do not have contacts could only get something with their family doctor which isn't much, while all my classmates that got to be in cardiology etc. guess what, their dad is a cardiologist!

Volunteering is all bull. It does not teach you the life of a doctor and is nothing more than a ploy to get free hospital labour out of pre-meds. Volunteer work is suppose to be VOLUNTEER. Making it a requirement should be illegal.

Research is much the same, just getting free lab labour out of pre-meds.

Interviews are nothing more than who is the best actor. Who can come up with the best answer to "tell me about a leadership experience of yours" whether the answer is real or not, the interviewer can't tell.
 
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Patchy said:
Another option would be to double the application fees and double the tuition for med school. That will cut down on the number of applications. The people remaining will be more committed to medicine instead of less committed. Students are borrowing against future income, so it's not about their wealth before med school. Then, the added fees and tuition the med school could donate directly to poor and sick people. Write them checks instead of having pre-meds (and high school students) hovering around them as part of the game plan to get into academic programs. That would be simpler, more effective and more honest and straightforward than things I've heard about among the ultimate applicant types.
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This is *definitely one of the worst ideas I've ever heard.
 
Staradmiral said:
As a current Medical Student. I must agree with the OP. Admission really should be based on MCAT/GPA and a pass/fail interview.

Everything else is just subjective figures which often leads to discrimination. It is ridiculously hard to get a good shadowship if you are not family with a current doctor. No big name hospital is gonna take you in if you don't know people, unless your one of the lucky few that got it without any contacts. Most people I know that do not have contacts could only get something with their family doctor which isn't much, while all my classmates that got to be in cardiology etc. guess what, their dad is a cardiologist!

Volunteering is all bull. It does not teach you the life of a doctor and is nothing more than a ploy to get free hospital labour out of pre-meds. Volunteer work is suppose to be VOLUNTEER. Making it a requirement should be illegal.

Research is much the same, just getting free lab labour out of pre-meds.

Interviews are nothing more than who is the best actor. Who can come up with the best answer to "tell me about a leadership experience of yours" whether the answer is real or not, the interviewer can't tell.
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So you don't think these skills are all conducive to being a good physician who can both practice well with a *****ic populous and avoid major malpractice suits? Either way, plenty of people enjoy volunteering and research, and even if premeds weren't required there would be plenty of pre-PhD's or humanitarians who would quickly fill in the ranks. Because obviously helping others or exploring a particular area of science is completely boring to like everyone.
 
I agree with some sentiments. Volunteering is not really volunteering if it's a unstated requirement to get into medical school, right? Especially clinical volunteering. I applied to volunteer this summer, but was turned down every place I went because they had met their quota for volunteers. 😕 If they have so many they have to turn people down, it's obvious that volunteer work at hospitals is more about helping premeds out than it is about helping hospitals. And thats when it starts to feel fake and insincere. I can't stand the thought of volunteering somewhere where I'm not even needed just to be able to check it off on my application. Does that mean I'm not compassionate? I would however, be the first person to jump in the water and help you if you're drowning. But how do you put THAT on an application? You can't, so unfortunately, volunteering is currently the only way that med schools can subjectively evaluate your compassion.

I don't agree with the OP that numbers should play a more important role than they already do, however. Like someone else said, it's not hard to get a 4.0 if your grades are your only responsibility. The admissions process sucks, but it's really the only thing they can do. They get many many more applicants than they can every possible accept, so they choose the best of the best, which means OP that even if you have a 4.0/40, you will get beat out by someone with a 4.0/40 who has done extensive volunteering. You knew it was a game when you started, and if you don't like it, you can choose not to play.
 
Sorry if this has already been posted, but OP, do you think your special? Did you know that adcoms can fill every med school class with 4.0s/35+ MCAT if they want?

They need another way to screen applicants because there are plenty of perfect students out there.

Dude, you're living in the wrong era -- where the MCAT is currently being edited to include more humanities subjects; adcoms want well-rounded liberal arts educations; and a solid command of the English (and Spanish!) languages is a huge advantage in addition to all the things that bother you like ECs/volunteering/shadowing.
 
serenade said:
So you don't think these skills are all conducive to being a good physician who can both practice well with a *****ic populous and avoid major malpractice suits? Either way, plenty of people enjoy volunteering and research, and even if premeds weren't required there would be plenty of pre-PhD's or humanitarians who would quickly fill in the ranks. Because obviously helping others or exploring a particular area of science is completely boring to like everyone.
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Skills like liking the job, wanting to help people, leadership, communication, etc are absolutely important however I believe they cannot be accurately measured by the subjective evaluations of interviews, LORs, shadowing, etc. Until we come up with a machine that can read people's minds, They should be not used if they are subjective, plain and simple.
 
Staradmiral said:
Skills like liking the job, wanting to help people, leadership, communication, etc are absolutely important however I believe they cannot be accurately measured by the subjective evaluations of interviews, LORs, shadowing, etc. Until we come up with a machine that can read people's minds, They should be not used if they are subjective, plain and simple.
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So basically until we can objectively measure something, we shouldn't bother with it? Nice to know.... were you a philosophy major in undergrad by any chance? :laugh:
 
Staradmiral said:
Skills like liking the job, wanting to help people, leadership, communication, etc are absolutely important however I believe they cannot be accurately measured by the subjective evaluations of interviews, LORs, shadowing, etc. Until we come up with a machine that can read people's minds, They should be not used if they are subjective, plain and simple.
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Well, there goes any hiring process ever known to man.
 
Staradmiral said:
As a current Medical Student. I must agree with the OP. Admission really should be based on MCAT/GPA and a pass/fail interview.

Everything else is just subjective figures which often leads to discrimination. It is ridiculously hard to get a good shadowship if you are not family with a current doctor. No big name hospital is gonna take you in if you don't know people, unless your one of the lucky few that got it without any contacts. Most people I know that do not have contacts could only get something with their family doctor which isn't much, while all my classmates that got to be in cardiology etc. guess what, their dad is a cardiologist!

Volunteering is all bull. It does not teach you the life of a doctor and is nothing more than a ploy to get free hospital labour out of pre-meds. Volunteer work is suppose to be VOLUNTEER. Making it a requirement should be illegal.

Research is much the same, just getting free lab labour out of pre-meds.

Interviews are nothing more than who is the best actor. Who can come up with the best answer to "tell me about a leadership experience of yours" whether the answer is real or not, the interviewer can't tell.
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So much about this is wrong.
 
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