Who will you vote for and why? [Allopathic version]

[meister]

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It is appalling to think that even a medical student is so stupid to believe the hype about mccain's health. Did they forget the chapter on superficial melanomas at your school?

This has nothing to do with political party beliefs, but I just can't believe that someone that knows anything about medicine is actually falling for that idiocy.

Hey where in my post did I mention cancer? It is appalling to think that even a medical student is so stupid to have apparently missed his junior high English class on reading comprehension. While his history of cancer is unfortunate, I think the fact that he is seventy two years old and has sustained multiple years of torture is a bit more worrying. I wouldn't trust him to babysit my daughter let alone run the executive. Not to mention his god-awful running mate. But hey pretend I made some sort of medical judgment based solely on his cancer history and conveniently overlook the fact that he is just goddamn old.

Oh yeah I forgot you were a troll.

 

[PreMD86]

I'm not voting for a socialist who will "spread the weath around".

I'm disturbed this mentally challenged demagogy isn't confined to trailer parks and Alaska. Is that really the extent of your free thought? Do you see any rational democrat here proclaiming "I'm not voting for the guy worth 150mil that owns 20 houses"? +1 on stop watching Fox News.

 

[sirus_virus]

Hey where in my post did I mention cancer? It is appalling to think that even a medical student is so stupid to have apparently missed his junior high English class on reading comprehension. While his history of cancer is unfortunate, I think the fact that he is seventy two years old and has sustained multiple years of torture is a bit more worrying. I wouldn't trust him to babysit my daughter let alone run the executive. Not to mention his god-awful running mate. But hey pretend I made some sort of medical judgment based solely on his cancer history and conveniently overlook the fact that he is just goddamn old.

Oh yeah I forgot you were a troll.

👍 Good point. John Mcain was too old 12 years ago, now he is pretty much a walking fossil, and to make matters worse he goes and picks what might be the dumbest running mate in the history of modern politics. How in the world does he think he is going to pull off a win? Impossible IMO, this is a blowout waiting to happen. The Republican Party can thank George bush and Sarah Palin for helping start them on their path to extinction.

 

[SketchLazy]

Jon Stewart; because Diebold will conveniently decide the elections for us.

 

[strv04]

You don't know what you're talking about. You do realize that the first $250k of your income is taxed the same as it is now? You do realize that all the income over that is taxed 3% higher? But if you want to restrict yourself based on hearsay and utter nonsense go right ahead, I'll be sure to take all the patients you don't want to see.

Its appalling that a medical student would fail to factor in state, local and the uncapping of social security taxes proposed by Obama that small business owners (doctors) pay. When all that is said and done yes you will be paying +50% of your income over 250k to some form of government which I find completely unreasonable and if such a thing comes to pass I will definitely stop working for those diminishing returns.

Yeah let's let the GOP fix it! Because they did such a great job under Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2! Oh wait they're the entire reason our healthcare system is so ****ed up in the first place.

Yes lets blame Bush for the increase in utilization of medical imaging, pharmaceutical costs and the overall poor health choices the majority of people in our country make. Physicians hold the purchasing power in medicine, if you want to see an end to the upward spiral of medical costs support med malpractice tort reform which will lessen the practice of defensive medicine and slow down the rise in overall cost. Or we could just socialize the damn thing and be happy at our current level of healthcare and completely end any market incentive for research, technology, caliber of physicians.

Because that's what everyone's talking about. We're all talking about "free" healthcare.

I was referring to the sense that the consumer(patient) will only indirectly pay for their healthcare (taxes). The average patient will consume healthcare as though it were free because there is no financial consideration given when demanding care. This will increase utilization and cause the cost to skyrocket as it has begun to do in Massachusetts and California. Two things will then happen either rationing of care or a huge tax increase because in the end it is not free and somebody has to pick up the tab.

Because the solution to lowering our birth rate and bettering other embarrassing statistics is to do the opposite of what all other first world nations do? You're an idiot.

Ok if that's your position are you going to take your family to Cuba or Europe when they get sick because we all know they provide better care right? The healthcare in the US is the best in the world, we are also the leader in improvement of individual healthcare because of our market system that provides incentive to improve. Other counties under universal/socialist care provide good care but sacrifice the market incentive to improve care dare I say relaying on the US to provide the bulk of new technology pharmaceuticals advancement.

I also like how you descended so rapidly on the disagreement hierarchy there at the end.

 

[Baritonebass]

That's about as stupid as not voting for Obama because he attended Rev. Wright's church. Why does everyone buy all these BS distractions the campaigns throws at them? Figure out which campaign's platform you agree with and vote for that candidate.

Obama and McCain are basically the same. Neither one will improve America. I'm voting third party. I hope more Americans will wake up and realize that both parties are basically the same and that they both are screwing this country.

A Governor policy is different than a person's church

 

[FoundationsFan5]

lol @ this entire thread

OP knew what the outcome here would be: the "ZOMG HOW ON EARTH COULD YOU VOTE FOR ________ ????!!!!1!!! YOU MUST BE (insert derogatory adjective). SHELTERED JERK ALL YOU DO IS (read NY Times or watch Fox News, pick one)" posts.

I highly doubt that most of us here are voting for or against a certain candidate this November based simply on healthcare policy, or even based on who that candidate actually is. We're human, we come from different places, we have different priorities, and we've all been screwed over at some point in our lives, so deal with it. No one here is changing anyone else's minds.

For all our sakes, let's just hope whoever ends up in the Oval Office in January doesn't take steps to suck the fun out of being a doctor.

 

[Mr Cookie Pants]

I'm disturbed this mentally challenged demagogy isn't confined to trailer parks and Alaska. Is that really the extent of your free thought? Do you see any rational democrat here proclaiming "I'm not voting for the guy worth 150mil that owns 20 houses"? +1 on stop watching Fox News.

Go play in traffic. He flat out admitted it, using that exact language. Fox news or not. And no, I dont see any rational democrats.

 

[cpants]

A Governor policy is different than a person's church

Obviously. The point is both issues are distraction, smear issues thrown out by the opposing campaigns. If you say, I won't vote for McCain because I think we need to get out of Iraq or I won't vote for Obama, because I disagree with his tax policy, I will have some respect for you. You sound like an idiot if you parrot the stupid BS. A few examples from this campaign:

Palin makes victims pay for their own rape kits.
McCain has been tortured, probably has PTSD, might freak out in office because of it.
Obama associates with terrorists...he hates our country.
Obama goes to a church which hates America.
Palin/Obama don't have enough experience to take office (especially laughable when directed at Palin by the Obama campaign).

None of these are real issues, and none have bearing on what the candidate will do in office. Think for yourself. Look at the actual policies the campaigns propose. Then decide.

 

[gstrub]

Obama...why? Because democrats are sooo awesome.

I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America .

I'm voting Democrat because it's better to turn corn into fuel than it is to eat.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America or in Alaska.

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll think we're a good and decent country.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it will rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education, or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for that, can we?

I'm voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I've decided to marry my horse.

Obvious isn't it?

 

[DrTexas]

 

[rachmoninov3]

Obama...why? Because democrats are sooo awesome.

I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America .

I'm voting Democrat because it's better to turn corn into fuel than it is to eat.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America or in Alaska.

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll think we're a good and decent country.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it will rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education, or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for that, can we?

I'm voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I've decided to marry my horse.

Obvious isn't it?

thank you! this is just the break I needed while studying!

 

[Barts]

Obama...why? Because democrats are sooo awesome.

I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America .

I'm voting Democrat because it's better to turn corn into fuel than it is to eat.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America or in Alaska.

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll think we're a good and decent country.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it will rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education, or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for that, can we?

I'm voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I've decided to marry my horse.

Obvious isn't it?

Good stuff!! Even after all of your compelling arguments though, I'm still voting for McCain. 😉

 

[Barts]

...those from less fortunate backgrounds are stupid or do not work just as hard to get what they have? Should they be punished with no opportunity for acquiring health insurance just because they were not given the same opportunities as you?

If you could step down from that horse for a moment, could you please elaborate on what these "opportunitites" are? I always hear about how some people just never had the same opportunity--bull. My father was a ditch digger, my mother dropped out of school in 8th grade, and shortly after that gave birth to my older brother. I had no opportunities, I had nothing handed to me, I made my own opportunities and took control of my own life. "Given opportunities" are crap, or should we base everything on handouts? It's what you decide to do to make your own opportunitites that matters. I didn't need to be given the same opportunities as someone else (why should I, I'm not them) to make a better life for myself.

Anyway, I'm so sick of people complaining about how life hasn't given them opportunities (and people like you that buy into it) or how life isn't fair to them---again...bull. If that's their attitude no wonder they fail, and they have no one to blame but themselves. If they want a better life for themselves, then they should put in the effort...or I suppose they can wait for people to give them handouts....I'll pass on the latter.



/end rant

 

[rachmoninov3]

any of my other hopeless, synical, out of touch med students for mc cain get the feeling we're experiencing something similar to the world of Atlas Shrugged?
So far, the only major indicators that I see are the nationalization of the banks (even tho they say they aren't), and people falling for Obama? 'It's better for everyone if everyone does better'--or whatever Obama said to that Plumber. What's next? "From each according to their ability to each according to their need?"

 

[PreMD86]

If you could step down from that horse for a moment, could you please elaborate on what these "opportunitites" are? I always hear about how some people just never had the same opportunity--bull. My father was a ditch digger, my mother dropped out of school in 8th grade, and shortly after that gave birth to my older brother. I had no opportunities, I had nothing handed to me, I made my own opportunities and took control of my own life.

I'm so sick of people complaining about how life hasn't given them opportunities (and people like you that buy into it) or how life isn't fair to them---again...bull. If that's their attitude no wonder they fail, and they have no one to blame but themselves.


/end rant

Just as an example, studies have shown that for entry level jobs, african americans get hired at a lower rate than caucasian freshly released inmates. In effect, employers would rather hire criminals than blacks. Does that sound like equality to you?

It never fails to amaze me how, in a country with one of the most polarized wealth distributions on earth (top 1% owns 35% of wealth), the american dream is still perpetuated. It's not that it's impossible to pull oneself up by the bootstraps, it's that poverty places the barrier exponentially higher. You made it? Good for you- Count your blessings and realize there's much more to success than merit.

 

[MrBurns10]

I'm voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I've decided to marry my horse.

Because clearly that's the next logical step after marrying a human of the same sex 🙄

The rest of them were somewhat humorous.

Obama '08!

 

[Barts]

Just as an example, studies have shown that for entry level jobs, african americans get hired at a lower rate than caucasian freshly released inmates. In effect, employers would rather hire criminals than blacks. Does that sound like equality to you?

It never fails to amaze me how, in a country with one of the most polarized wealth distributions on earth (top 1% owns 35% of wealth), the american dream is still perpetuated. It's not that it's impossible to pull oneself up by the bootstraps, it's that poverty places the barrier exponentially higher. You made it? Good for you- Count your blessings and realize there's much more to success than merit.

Those studies sound fascinating. Having been in the workplace for over 25 years I can say I've never seen that...once. Care to share a link to one of those studies. ---And I'm not going to debate race with you so no need to respond if it's race related or baiting.

Anyway, poverty may place a barrier, but many of those (poor) people (including most of the ones from the trailer park I lived in for many years) do nothing to help themselves, but instead assume they will just get handouts. Doesn't seem like the best way to solve the problem does it?

 

[mglavin]

In effect, employers would rather hire criminals than blacks. Does that sound like equality to you?

No it doesn't not sound like equality to me, it sounds like a poorly made conclusion.

You have data comparing released convicts to an entire racial group and are drawing a conclusion without considering any additional factors. There is a disproportionate percentage of African Americans among the prison population and assuming the released population used is your data is similar to the overall prison population you could draw the conclusion that going to prison makes you more attractive as an employee if you are black. Does that mean that employers are only racist if you've never been convicted? That sounds pretty ridiculous which means its either really shocking data or a poorly done study or conclusion made for other reasons (lairs, damn lairs and statisticians?) I would really like to take a look at the study you mentioned.

It never fails to amaze me how, in a country with one of the most polarized wealth distributions on earth (top 1% owns 35% of wealth), the American dream is still perpetuated.

I wonder what percentage of the wealth is controlled by the top 1% in China? Iran? Cuba? Any socialist nation before them?

The American dream is all about upward mobility that is why its perpetuated. Everyone born is this country is capable of going from the bottom to the top 1% you will be hard pressed to find that anywhere else on earth or throughout history. A good portion of your classmates will one day be in the top 1% making over 350k as defined by the 2005 census. I can't decide whether you just didn't know these things or if your just making statements that you know deep down are ridiculous. However I do agree with you on being amazed by our country. Unfortunately I am also amazed why more the world hasn't followed our lead and keeps on being side tracked with the whole mob rule democracy and socialism deal.

 

[bball1984]

any of my other hopeless, synical, out of touch med students for mc cain get the feeling we're experiencing something similar to the world of Atlas Shrugged?
So far, the only major indicators that I see are the nationalization of the banks (even tho they say they aren't), and people falling for Obama? 'It's better for everyone if everyone does better'--or whatever Obama said to that Plumber. What's next? "From each according to their ability to each according to their need?"

We aren't far from it all. I just find this whole scenario frightening. People are treating Barack Obama like he's going to just come into office and usher in utopia. Banks are certainly going to be nationalized soon- they are pretty much already there. People are just handing over control of their future to the government for some free handouts- give me free healthcare, free money, free everything. The thing is, once you hand over something to the government, you lose control and NEVER get it back. The government usually doesn't say "hey we made a mistake, here is some of the freedom back that we took from you." I just worry about us reaching a point where it is Orwell's 1984. No small business- everyone works for the government. They tell you when to work, when to go home, and they interpret the world for you. Not something I am particularly excited about. Hopefully, it never reaches the point of totalitarianism. However, it is true: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is why the thought of a president, congress, and senate all from the same party is scary. It has been awhile since that happened. I wouldn't want republicans having absolute control either...

 

[bball1984]

No it doesn't not sound like equality to me, it sounds like a poorly made conclusion.

You have data comparing released convicts to an entire racial group and are drawing a conclusion without considering any additional factors. There is a disproportionate percentage of African Americans among the prison population and assuming the released population used is your data is similar to the overall prison population you could draw the conclusion that going to prison makes you more attractive as an employee if you are black. Does that mean that employers are only racist if you've never been convicted? That sounds pretty ridiculous which means its either really shocking data or a poorly done study or conclusion made for other reasons (lairs, damn lairs and statisticians?) I would really like to take a look at the study you mentioned.

I wonder what percentage of the wealth is controlled by the top 1% in China? Iran? Cuba? Any socialist nation before them? The American dream is all about upward mobility that is why its perpetuated. Everyone born is this country is capable of going from the bottom to the top 1% you will be hard pressed to find that anywhere else on earth or throughout history. A good portion of your classmates will one day be in the top 1% making over 350k as defined by the 2005 census. I can't decide whether you just didn't know these things or if your just making statements that you know deep down are ridiculous. However I do agree with you on being amazed by our country. Unfortunately I am also amazed why more the world hasn't followed our lead and keeps on being side tracked with the whole mob rule democracy and socialism deal.

This is a very good point. We have a lot of Chinese exchange students where I attended undergad at. They all will tell you the same thing- in a communist country, there are the have and have-nots. No middle class. You either work for the government, and make big money, or you don't and are poor. End of story. And usually, the people working for the government had to know someone to get there- you don't just work your tail off and reach that point over there.

We should draw a distinction between socialism and communism though. Communism= China, Cuba, old USSR. Socialism= Canada, UK.

Even in a socialistic country, it is still not easy to work your way up. Socialism has no middle class either, they just bring the upper class down a few notches and raise the lower class up a few notches. This is great in theory, but it creates all sorts of problems regarding work ethic, productivity, etc. Again, there is no reason to excel if there is no incentive. In a perfect world, everyone would bust their tail for the betterment of society, but I think we all know how unperfect this world is by now.

 

[meister]

This is like an email forward from my grandparents.

I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America.

Why fix what isn't broken?

I'm voting Democrat because it's better to turn corn into fuel than it is to eat.

And democrats think this.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America or in Alaska.

All I can say to this is ****in' LOL. Drilling now would result in a 1% savings in 10 years. Yeah that makes a whole lot of sense.

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

More like democrats will do a better job spending your money than the GOP will do.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll think we're a good and decent country.

Because Iraq was a terrorist haven before this, and we all know had everything to do with 9/11.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it will rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

Because predicting local weather patterns has anything to do with looking at global weather trends over thousands of years? Have you been paying attention to anything? And by the way, making sure your tires are properly inflated will make your gas mileage improve. I would hope someone with a graduate level science education would understand all this but I forgot who I was talking to.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting GOP because it's ok for teenage girls to have back-alley abortions and it's ok to kill living, breathing people despite the GOP-pushed idea of the error-prone state. I also attend funerals for fetuses and put an obituary in the paper when they die.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

No one in the history of the democratic party has ever put this forward as a policy proposal.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

We should all own tanks. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND HERE PEOPLE

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

NO MIDDLE GROUND YOU HEAR? WHY DO DEMOCRATS WANT TO KILL MY FAMILY?!

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

Yeah we should subsidize those oil companies don't you think? They really need all the help they can get.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

You don't have any understanding of constitutional law so I won't bother replying to this.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education, or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for that, can we?

Yeah let's get a jackbooted squad of what we'll call "brown-shirts" to go door to door and politely ask all MECKSEECANS to be handed over. Then we can put them all in their own little camps. It'll be like vacation!

I'm voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I've decided to marry my horse.

Gay people are the same as animals!

Obvious isn't it?

Yeah that you have the political nuance of a wet noodle. You're an idiot, and everyone thinks that.

Can't wait for your next chain mail post.

PS None of this has to do with either Obama or McCain, and neither does most of the other bull**** you GOP talking point spouting mouth-breathers are posting.

Wow, I knew some of you were idiots but now we have someone actually bringing up Atlas Shrugged?!

You guys just keep right on bringing yourselves up by your bootstraps.

 

[meister]

However, it is true: Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is why the thought of a president, congress, and senate all from the same party is scary. It has been awhile since that happened. I wouldn't want republicans having absolute control either...

You're right, I bet you were just as concerned from 2001-2007 when the GOP controlled both Congress and the White House weren't you?

I love how the GOP is suddenly so concerned with totalitarianism and government thugs coming to take their **** away. HAS NO ONE BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT BUSH HAS DONE? HAVE NONE OF YOU SEEN THE UNACCOUNTABILITY OF THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION?

I don't give a **** who is in charge of the government, but W has been a worse president than Nixon when it comes to ****ting all over the law. And anyone who doesn't see that isn't worth talking to.

 

[mglavin]

The thing is, once you hand over something to the government, you lose control and NEVER get it back.

Revolution has historically proven a good way to gain freedom not that I think anything like that is on our immediate horizon. Maybe in 200-300 years the colonies on Mars and Jupiter moons will start getting uppity and we'll see the birth of some new republics.

 

[abraxas20]

Ah, reminds me of my own class. Always nice to see med students so brainwashed by liberal idealism that they're voting against their own future earning potential.

I am ok with my future earning potential being lower.

 

[Barts]

I am ok with my future earning potential being lower.

Sounds good. One of my old neighbors is pretty broke, can I inform them that you will start sending them a monthy check? No reason for a middle man (government), you can just send a portion of your earnings to them each month. 👍

 

[LadyWolverine]

I am ok with my future earning potential being lower.

Tell me this is a joke, right?

Seriously, who would actually say something this ******ed??

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Obama. I'm pretty far to the left, so that's not a surprise. I have *gasp* support "socialized medicine" even with my massive looming loan repayments.

 

[Doctor Bagel]

Tell me this is a joke, right?

Seriously, who would actually say something this ******ed??

I agree that the op's statement sounds a bit naive, but I've said similar things. Honestly, I think that there are more important issues than my future earning potential. Yeah, I don't want to be poor, and heck, I even want to be upper middle class, but that's not the only thing I care about. The op's idealistic -- good for him.

 

[docscience]

Tell me this is a joke, right?

Seriously, who would actually say something this ******ed??

In all sincerity, I don't think what he said was "******ed." Considering that physicians fall in the top 10% salary bracket in all of america, (http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6) I think it is ok for him to be idealistic!
(I guess we also have some of the highest debts).

What is a society where everyone strives for more money while sacrificing morality, environmental issues, energy, etc? There is nothing wrong with him "giving" money back to the community that he lives in.

"******ed" to think that there is more than continually seeking more money? I don't think so. Try to have a little more class when making an argument albeit on an internet forum. Base your arguments on something.

 

[gujuDoc]

This election is really effectively over. Mccain needs to save his money for retirement, because there is no way in the world he is going to be able to catch up with Obama at this point. I don't like either candidiate, but at this point people have dicided Obama will be the next president, and rightfully so. What has the republican party done for us lately.

Yeah neither candidate was my first choice either. However, while I disagree with some of Obama'a policies I think we need a non republican in the office to fix this economy unless it was someone like that mormon guy from Massachusetts. I forget his name.

I think what's worse for McCain is that
1. he picked one of the worst VP candidates ever
2. He spends more time attacking Obama and then changing his tune when its not going his way that you can't take him seriously.
3. He voted with Bush most of the time but says he's against Bush now just because everyone is against him. so he's a hypocrite as far as I'm concerned.

 

[thRob]

3. He voted with Bush most of the time but says he's against Bush now just because everyone is against him. so he's a hypocrite as far as I'm concerned.

Don't fall for this, you are smarter than that. The assertion that Bush and McCain are 'so alike' is as absurd as the assertion that Obama is 'palling around with terrorists'

Obama voted w/ Bush 40% of the time btw. Oh, and also, when was the last time that the president wrote senate legislation that you disagree with? Bush gets unfairly blamed for much more than he deserves.

 

[thRob]

Also, I would take any stat on voting records in the past 2 years with a grain of salt.

1. Its a presidential season, ie the candidates are never at work
2. Do you have any idea how many special resolutions this congress has passed and how few bills they've gotten through that actually matter? If memory serves, its over 3,000 resolutions, the bulk of them being pointless. The 2006-2008 congress is a joke.

 

[gujuDoc]

Tell me this is a joke, right?

Seriously, who would actually say something this ******ed??

haha off topic but I'm surprised the PC police haven't come in here to correct you that ******ed is a bad word to use and that you should be using stupid or ludicrous. Last week there was a girl all over the forums getting deeply offended over the use of "******ed" as a word because of her Trisomy 21 afflicted daughter.

 

[incubate6times]

A few links for the pro-McCain members posting:

George Will - McCain loses his head.

Scott Adams survey of economists.

65 Nobel Laureates endorse Obama.

Larry Hunter endorses Obama.

 

[BrianUM]

Of course most on this board will vote for Obama...we are the young generation and young ppl, ppl w/ less money, lawyers tend to vote for democrats, what makes this more even is that this is asking future doctors so that bumps the conservative vote up here....if this was a law school or even undergrad, it would be more like 90 % obama

anyway, no thanks to the guy that wants to tax the wealthiest americans even more and "create equality." This isnt the USSR or cuba, this is the USA where capitalism rules...if your having money problems dont just sit on your a** and expect the gov to bail you out by taxing those who make more money...thats why we have charities set up to help those that re less fortunate and really need the help...seriously, i cant believe ppl cant see through obama's promises

and yes, i realized i am going to get crucified here but someone had to say it

 

[GatorsWearJorts]

I can't wait to have a practice one day so I can stop hiring staff and taking on new patients once my income reaches $249,999. Why work harder and miss my kids soccer games and such so I can pay the government more then 50% of my income

Thank God we have someone like Obama who will fix our health care system.



Lets make healthcare free so demand goes through the roof.

and

Lets punish people by taking their income if they make too much money like those greedy rich doctors over there.

I'm sure that will make our embarrassing infant mortality rates fall in line with Europe and Cuba so we can all sleep better at night.

This may be a slightly naive question, but say you make 260K. Can you donate 10,001$ to charity and get that deducted from your taxable income?
Does it not work like that? Thanks.

 

[mjl1717]

Of course most on this board will vote for Obama...we are the young generation and young ppl, ppl w/ less money, lawyers tend to vote for democrats, what makes this more even is that this is asking future doctors so that bumps the conservative vote up here....if this was a law school or even undergrad, it would be more like 90 % obama

anyway, no thanks to the guy that wants to tax the wealthiest americans even more and "create equality." This isnt the USSR or cuba, this is the USA where capitalism rules...if your having money problems dont just sit on your a** and expect the gov to bail you out by taxing those who make more money...thats why we have charities set up to help those that re less fortunate and really need the help...seriously, i cant believe ppl cant see through obama's promises

and yes, i realized i am going to get crucified here but someone had to say it

My response:

1)I think it was Robinhood who took from the rich and gave to the poor?

2) As far as the Republicans being in office so loong.. And the shape we are in..
(how hard is it to understand this?)
["Your fast ball is NOT working, try a curve ball...Do you even have a curve ball??] 😕

 

[thRob]

This may be a slightly naive question, but say you make 260K. Can you donate 10,001$ to charity and get that deducted from your taxable income?
Does it not work like that? Thanks.

You don't need to worry about that. If you make 260,000, you are taxed like this:

First 249,999: Taxed just like anyone else making 249,999
Additional 10,000: Taxed at a higher rate

The amount you make in each tax bracket is taxed at that brackets rate. Thus, you'll never 'lose' money by going into a higher tax bracket.

 

[meister]

You don't need to worry about that. If you make 260,000, you are taxed like this:

First 249,999: Taxed just like anyone else making 249,999
Additional 10,000: Taxed at a higher rate

The amount you make in each tax bracket is taxed at that brackets rate. Thus, you'll never 'lose' money by going into a higher tax bracket.

Shhh don't tell them that, it might actually make them think critically about public policy!

PS If you make $280k, the difference between what Obama is proposing (how it was under Reagan/Bush 1/Clinton) and how it's done now is $900. If you really need that extra $17/week or you're going to sink and you're making $280k/year, then you've got bigger problems than a nebulous Soviet specter looming from Washington. Ok go back to meaningless McCarthyism now.

 

[Blesbok]

This may be a slightly naive question, but say you make 260K. Can you donate 10,001$ to charity and get that deducted from your taxable income?
Does it not work like that? Thanks.

Yes, you can, but you are also only going to get taxed at a higher bracket on that $10,000. If you make $250,000, you are going to only get taxed at the $250,000 on your $1. Or else it would promote people being lazy in order to stay in lower tax brackets.

 

[Blesbok]

Shhh don't tell them that, it might actually make them think critically about public policy!

PS If you make $280k, the difference between what Obama is proposing (how it was under Reagan/Bush 1/Clinton) and how it's done now is $900. If you really need that extra $17/week or you're going to sink and you're making $280k/year, then you've got bigger problems than a nebulous Soviet specter looming from Washington. Ok go back to meaningless McCarthyism now.

$17/week is a nice lunch or over the year it is an extra day at the track with a new set of tires. I would personally rather have my $900 than give it to someone that doesn't deserve it.

 

[meister]

$17/week is a nice lunch or over the year it is an extra day at the track with a new set of tires. I would personally rather have my $900 than give it to someone that doesn't deserve it.

There's no shortage of selfishness in this country, that's for sure.

Anyway it was totally irresponsible of W to lower taxes for the rich when he did (and on that McCain agreed with me), and now we get to have a debate about "raising" taxes on them when in fact they are just going back to the way things were before. I'm sorry but while the upper class was getting drunk on excess these past few years, the rest of us were getting ****ed in the ass, and W managed to increase our national debt to insane levels. So you won't find me shedding a single tear for multi-millionaires having their income above $250k getting taxed an extra 3%.

I wish the modern day GOP really was about fiscal conservatism. You can't increase spending and lower taxes: IT DOES NOT WORK. Goldwater is spinning in his grave.

 

[Blesbok]

There's no shortage of selfishness in this country, that's for sure.

Anyway it was totally irresponsible of W to lower taxes for the rich when he did (and on that McCain agreed with me), and now we get to have a debate about "raising" taxes on them when in fact they are just going back to the way things were before. I'm sorry but while the upper class was getting drunk on excess these past few years, the rest of us were getting ****ed in the ass, and W managed to increase our national debt to insane levels. So you won't find me shedding a single tear for multi-millionaires having their income above $250k getting taxed an extra 3%.

I wish the modern day GOP really was about fiscal conservatism. You can't increase spending and lower taxes: IT DOES NOT WORK. Goldwater is spinning in his grave.

I am not saying that I don't believe in raising taxes. I have no problem with paying my dues. And I agree that you can't lower taxes and raise spending. If my money was being spent on education or something like that, I would have no problem.

I do however have a problem with raising the taxes of only the wealthy, especially when those taxes are being used to only benefit the poor. Redistribution of wealth is bull****. When the government puts a leash on this bull**** welfare system and all the other crap that just hand out to the lazy people in this country, then I will feel a little worse about being what you call selfish. Until then, I will do everything I can to keep my money and distribute it as I so please.

 

[thRob]

There's no shortage of selfishness in this country, that's for sure.

Agreed - BUT, we have to draw the line somewhere. If the rich can afford to give $900 more on $10,000, why not $1000? Why not $5,000? Hell, why not 7,500? I'm all for a progressive tax system, but I think we need a clear boundary that has a logical base (economic research perhaps)

I wish the modern day GOP really was about fiscal conservatism. You can't increase spending and lower taxes: IT DOES NOT WORK. Goldwater is spinning in his grave.

Agreed. The GOP needs to get back to its roots. Focus on efficiency, not throwing money into a whirlwind

 

[meister]

I do however have a problem with raising the taxes of only the wealthy, especially when those taxes are being used to only benefit the poor. Redistribution of wealth is bull****. When the government puts a leash on this bull**** welfare system and all the other crap that just hand out to the lazy people in this country, then I will feel a little worse about being what you call selfish. Until then, I will do everything I can to keep my money and distribute it as I so please.

You understand that Obama's plan wouldn't give anyone money they hadn't already earned? People that get a tax refund have put money into the system. Changing the tax code to give the middle class more of their money back makes sense because we need the middle class to spend their money. Trickle-down economics has proven to be a failure.

People throwing around the "redistribution of wealth" line are being lied to. It is a scare tactic to imply Obama's going to kick down your door and take your 52" 1080p HDTV. All he's doing is trying to give the middle class more of a break than they've received in years. The gap between the top earners and the middle has gotten bigger, and that is a symptom of a very deadly problem.

 

[coldweatherblue]

There's no shortage of selfishness in this country, that's for sure.

There are several ways of looking at this.

Democrat supporters will pine that those who wish to keep the wealth that they've accumulated through their own hard-work are being self-centered.

OTOH, assuming educated, hard-working people are financially responsible, they will invest a large portion of their income in the financial markets. This credit or capital is what DRIVES the economy. The more money is being pumped into wise investments, the more money is available for all forms of production, business, loans, etc. So in effect if you take money away from people who invest it, you are taking money directly away from the economy. One could argue that it is ethical to keep wealth in the hands of those who are financially responsible rather than give it to people who are likely to blow a large portion on unnecessary goods.

I'm not saying that wealthy people don't blow money on luxury, I'm saying a smaller percentage of their wealth is spent on unnecessary items and a LARGER percentage is spent investing when compared with lower-income spending habits. Do you disagree?

 

[aintlifegrand]

I love it. According to the mccain supporters on here who are looking at future salaries I am either, as a doctor, going to be making over $250,000 and lose it all because of taxes or making $100,000 because payments will be decreased dramatically for doctors. So which is it? I don't think both of these horrible scenerios can happen. And I think, with what salaries are right now, I will be pretty happy making over 250k.

 

[Taurus]

I will vote for Obama.

McCain was on thin ice with me when he took a hard right turn to appease the evangelicals of the Republican base. He lost my respect and vote when he picked Palin as VP. How could he risk the country he purports to love so much with such an imbecile for VP?

Obama is an intellectual heavyweight, unflappable, and is the better choice. His VP pick is also a billion times better.

Furthermore, I'm convinced that if McCain is elected that he would support the deregulation of healthcare like he did banking. That means expanded scope and role for NP's and CRNA's.

 

[thRob]

expanded scope and role for NP's and CRNA's.

If they can serve effectively in their roles, I don't see why their rights shouldn't be expanded.

I'll flip it around on you: the closer we get to a single payer and ultimately a government run health care system, the closer we get to losing free choice of who treats us. We might end up getting stuck seeing NPs for something they are not qualified to do simply because they are cheaper than an MD/DO


*edit* Just caught your sig. obviously you don't like NPs =P