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With the possibility of a drastic change in health care I was just wondering what everyone is thinking. I was going to do a poll, but I don't know how.
 
McCain....for every reason but most importantly health care. I find Obama to be extremely audacious to even consider running for president at this point in his career.

It doesn't help Obama's cause when you see all these shady relationships with individuals we would never associate with.
 
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USArmyDoc said:
McCain....for every reason but most importantly health care. I find Obama to be extremely audacious to even consider running for president at this point in his career.

It doesn't help Obama's cause when you see all these shady relationships with individuals we would never associate with.
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Exactly!!!! I am voting for McCain. There is something about Obama that just does not sit well with me.
 
CCEMTP2DOC said:
Exactly!!!! I am voting for McCain. There is something about Obama that just does not sit well with me.
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what is that suppose to mean?...
 
USArmyDoc said:
McCain....for every reason but most importantly health care. I find Obama to be extremely audacious to even consider running for president at this point in his career.

It doesn't help Obama's cause when you see all these shady relationships with individuals we would never associate with.
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Lol more audacious than McCain picking Palin??? Riiiiight.
 
Let me attempt to break this down:

Those who make less than $250,000- Obama.

Those who make more than $250,000- McCain.

However, those of you who that are making over $250,000 will no longer be making over $250,000 with Obama as President, so I guess, technically, you won't be getting a tax increase.
 
Yeah sure, I'll vote for McCain and the hockey-mom. Except for the fact that she's about as qualified to run this country as Bush was qualified to destroy it. Perfect, 8 more years of economic recession, meanwhile our military is spread thin fighting wars of no relevance to the mission we began as a country 7 years ago, as animosity builds against America worldwide.

So go ahead, bash Obama for being first in his law class and devoting his life to community service. Your right, he is too young for such responsibility. He needs more experience than just to be a member of the Senate Foreign Relations, EPW, VA, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, Homeland Security, and European Affairs committees.

And while we are at it, why can't he turn water into wine like John McCain? But, with as old and obtuse as McCain is, you can't blame him for starting the next chapter in "Republicans Never Fight Fair because if the Public Knew How Selfish and Historically Disappointing Conservatism really iss they would never DREAM of Voting Red, Politics"...

Oh, to answer the original question... Obama.
 
Forthegood said:
Yeah sure, I'll vote for McCain and the hockey-mom. Except for the fact that she's about as qualified to run this country as Bush was qualified to destroy it. Perfect, 8 more years of economic recession, meanwhile our military is spread thin fighting wars of no relevance to the mission we began as a country 7 years ago, as animosity builds against America worldwide.

So go ahead, bash Obama for being first in his law class and devoting his life to community service. Your right, he is too young for such responsibility. He needs more experience than just to be a member of the Senate Foreign Relations, EPW, VA, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, Homeland Security, and European Affairs committees.

And while we are at it, why can't he turn water into wine like John McCain? But, with as old and obtuse as McCain is, you can't blame him for starting the next chapter in "Republicans Never Fight Fair because if the Public Knew How Selfish and Historically Disappointing Conservatism really iss they would never DREAM of Voting Red, Politics"...

Oh, to answer the original question... Obama.
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Wouldn't that mean that she's highly qualified?
 
Actually, I'm not sure who I'll vote for at this point. I am however hopeful that we get a decent Congress...I like to dream.
 
I was leaning Obama but after the last couple of weeks in the way Mccain has been behaving, I'm solidly Obama. The last couple of weeks has shown me how erratic and unstable Mccain is. He shoots from the hip and thinks about the consequences later. In picking Palin, he showed politics was first and country last.
Mccain should be the last person doing guilt by association. The same people he once denounced as "agents of intolerance" are the same folks he went and sort their endorsements--Pat Robertson and Pastor Hagee. The same people that soiled his good name by claiming he fathered a black love child are the same individuals now running his media campaign. This is a guy who left his sick first wife in the hospital and moved on to his rich and prettier girlfriend(now wife no. 2). Something even Ronald Reagan never forgave him.

Are the republicans voting for him sure that he's going to be loyal to them?
 
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Forthegood said:
Yeah sure, I'll vote for McCain and the hockey-mom. Except for the fact that she's about as qualified to run this country as Bush was qualified to destroy it. Perfect, 8 more years of economic recession, meanwhile our military is spread thin fighting wars of no relevance to the mission we began as a country 7 years ago, as animosity builds against America worldwide.

So go ahead, bash Obama for being first in his law class and devoting his life to community service. Your right, he is too young for such responsibility. He needs more experience than just to be a member of the Senate Foreign Relations, EPW, VA, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, Homeland Security, and European Affairs committees.

And while we are at it, why can't he turn water into wine like John McCain? But, with as old and obtuse as McCain is, you can't blame him for starting the next chapter in "Republicans Never Fight Fair because if the Public Knew How Selfish and Historically Disappointing Conservatism really iss they would never DREAM of Voting Red, Politics"...

Oh, to answer the original question... Obama.
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That is the most ANNOYING thing about the GOP and it's supporters...apparently, if you go to Harvard, is president of the harvard law review, and maybe an "intellectual" then they use it against you. Sorry...I dont want freaking Joe "six pack"...I want someone that can lead and is intelligent enough to make judgements.

"Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices....Obama has the great intellect. I was interviewing Obama a couple years ago, and I'm getting nowhere with the interview, it's late in the night, he's on the phone, walking off the Senate floor, he's cranky. Out of the blue I say, 'Ever read a guy named Reinhold Niebuhr?' And he says, 'Yeah.' So i say, 'What did Niebuhr mean to you?' For the next 20 minutes, he gave me a perfect description of Reinhold Niebuhr's thought, which is a very subtle thought process based on the idea that you have to use power while it corrupts you. And I was dazzled, I felt the tingle up my knee as Chris Matthews would say. And the other thing that does separate Obama from just a pure intellectual: he has tremendous powers of social perception. And this is why he's a politician, not an academic. A couple of years ago, I was writing columns attacking the Republican congress for spending too much money. And I throw in a few sentences attacking the Democrats to make myself feel better. And one morning I get an email from Obama saying, 'David, if you wanna attack us, fine, but you're only throwing in those sentences to make yourself feel better.' And it was a perfect description of what was going through my mind. And everybody who knows Obama all have these stories to tell about his capacity for social perception."

David Brooks (CONSERVATIVE Columunist)
 
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McCain because I think it would potentially be better for me in in the long run.
 
I'll be voting for McCain as well. For the record, I don't think any members of the GOP condemn Obama because he was first in his class at Harvard or president of the law review. He's a very bright guy with lots of potential. I simply just don't agree with his principles on the economy and healthcare. I also question his idea of taxation and subsequent wealth redistribution. You can disagree with a candidate's stance on an issue but not think they're an awful, incompetent person. I'd go so far to say many Americans next month will base their votes on ads they've seen and how they've seen their candidate portrayed in the media while never really knowing if they agree or disagree with their candidate's viewpoints. That would require many of us to be "informed"
 
McCain all the way.

Liberals are FOR killing babies, and AGAINST killing murders... does anyone see what's wrong with that?

Also, I am against universal healthcare. It's a great idea, but honestly... Going to PCP visits would be easy enough for everyone, waiting in line for a specialist is completely bogus though. Imagine having a parent who had had decent healthcare all their life, die from having to wait to see a surgeon, cardiologist, or whathaveyou.

Also, if you talk to alot of obama supporters they are on the bandwagon and are frontrunners. A good friend of mine told me: 'you know, at this point im going to vote for obama. but its sad because i honestly have no reason to, I just dont know why"

I feel like that's alot of people.


Thirdly I am republican because if a friend asks me for $ i'd gladly lend it to them knowing that I know them and that that money will help them, and if they are ever in a position they will repay it if they can... Thats fine in my book...
Socialized programs give my money to people I never know or met, who may or may not use it to help themselves, and i'll never see a dime of that money back even if they do get back on their feet.

I'm all for helping my friends, but helping people who will never be able to or want to thank me is something else.

In summary.
1)I like babies
2)I don't like murderers
3)I dont want upstanding citizens to die waiting while 'everyone' has healthcare (like the gov. can make it a decent program anyway?)
4)I don't like mailing my money to strangers
5)Obama has as much experience as Palin...
6)Obama seems shady...
7)Ontop of that a year or 2 ago McCain was listed as the candidate for change!, he was the republican who went against the grain and followed his own rules. He has a HISTORY, and was called a maverick. (Now the liberal media really underplays that huh... what happened?)
8)It's about time we got a black in the whitehouse, but it's also about time we got a Mc. (rep. it if you're irish!)
 
Pansit said:
That is the most ANNOYING thing about the GOP and it's supporters...apparently, if you go to Harvard, is president of the harvard law review, and maybe an "intellectual" then they use it against you. Sorry...I dont want freaking Joe "six pack"...I want someone that can lead and is intelligent enough to make judgements.

"Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I'm afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices....Obama has the great intellect. I was interviewing Obama a couple years ago, and I'm getting nowhere with the interview, it's late in the night, he's on the phone, walking off the Senate floor, he's cranky. Out of the blue I say, 'Ever read a guy named Reinhold Niebuhr?' And he says, 'Yeah.' So i say, 'What did Niebuhr mean to you?' For the next 20 minutes, he gave me a perfect description of Reinhold Niebuhr's thought, which is a very subtle thought process based on the idea that you have to use power while it corrupts you. And I was dazzled, I felt the tingle up my knee as Chris Matthews would say. And the other thing that does separate Obama from just a pure intellectual: he has tremendous powers of social perception. And this is why he's a politician, not an academic. A couple of years ago, I was writing columns attacking the Republican congress for spending too much money. And I throw in a few sentences attacking the Democrats to make myself feel better. And one morning I get an email from Obama saying, 'David, if you wanna attack us, fine, but you're only throwing in those sentences to make yourself feel better.' And it was a perfect description of what was going through my mind. And everybody who knows Obama all have these stories to tell about his capacity for social perception."

David Brooks (CONSERVATIVE Columunist)
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Hi Pansit,

1. David Brooks is not really a conservative. I think he falls more under the blue bloods whom use to run the rebublican party before Regan / Goldwater. I think if you asked National Review or the weekly standard, they would have a similar opinion on Brooks.

2. It is a pitty to see the vitriol thrown at Sarah Palin and the absolute baseless garbage such as she burned books, charged for rape kits, Trig is her daughter's child, etc. While you may disagree with her experience and vision for America, you can not deny that she is a woman who has truly made it on her own. Good for her.

As for the election I think you can tell I will vote for McCain because he will do less damage to the country.

Glad to see that this conversation is still civil, much better than mud throwing. Have a great weekend!

Gold
 
DannMann99 said:
McCain all the way.

Liberals are FOR killing babies, and AGAINST killing murders... does anyone see what's wrong with that?

Also, I am against universal healthcare. It's a great idea, but honestly... Going to PCP visits would be easy enough for everyone, waiting in line for a specialist is completely bogus though. Imagine having a parent who had had decent healthcare all their life, die from having to wait to see a surgeon, cardiologist, or whathaveyou.

Also, if you talk to alot of obama supporters they are on the bandwagon and are frontrunners. A good friend of mine told me: 'you know, at this point im going to vote for obama. but its sad because i honestly have no reason to, I just dont know why"

I feel like that's alot of people.


Thirdly I am republican because if a friend asks me for $ i'd gladly lend it to them knowing that I know them and that that money will help them, and if they are ever in a position they will repay it if they can... Thats fine in my book...
Socialized programs give my money to people I never know or met, who may or may not use it to help themselves, and i'll never see a dime of that money back even if they do get back on their feet.

I'm all for helping my friends, but helping people who will never be able to or want to thank me is something else.

In summary.
1)I like babies
2)I don't like murderers
3)I dont want upstanding citizens to die waiting while 'everyone' has healthcare (like the gov. can make it a decent program anyway?)
4)I don't like mailing my money to strangers
5)Obama has as much experience as Palin...
6)Obama seems shady...
7)Ontop of that a year or 2 ago McCain was listed as the candidate for change!, he was the republican who went against the grain and followed his own rules. He has a HISTORY, and was called a maverick. (Now the liberal media really underplays that huh... what happened?)
8)It's about time we got a black in the whitehouse, but it's also about time we got a Mc. (rep. it if you're irish!)
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Are you serious........thank god i'm from california
 
I was a hardcore liberal until I saw Sarah Palin. I am voting for McCain, just because he has a hot vice president.
 
I listened to both and i just couldn't see myself wanting to continue this war for another 50-100 years as McCain wants to. The Palin wants to go to war with Russia she is a loony. Do the research every time this country has been in a economic crisis there has been a republican in office. I have had 8 yrs of one party and it has gotten this country nowhere i think its is time to change up and try something different. 10 billion a month for this war that has been going on for 6 years do the math. Now add 50-100 more years plus a potential war with Russia. I dont want to be apart of that.
 
DannMann99 said:
McCain all the way.

Liberals are FOR killing babies, and AGAINST killing murders... does anyone see what's wrong with that?
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Yes, there's something wrong with that because the republicans believe the exact opposite(death penalty and anti-abortion). If you are pro-life, be one....not only for some

DannMann99 said:
Also, I am against universal healthcare. It's a great idea, but honestly... Going to PCP visits would be easy enough for everyone, waiting in line for a specialist is completely bogus though. Imagine having a parent who had had decent healthcare all their life, die from having to wait to see a surgeon, cardiologist, or whathaveyou.
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Huh?Did you even read Obama health care plan ?I couldn't bring myself to read the rest of your diatribe but I wanna address this little nugget. The Obama health care only LOWERS the premium we pay for health care coverage(for those employed) and makes it more affordable to those not covered(unemployed or self-employed). Hospitals and insurance companies will still be in the hands of private entities and will conduct their business as usual. Ergo, non-socialized.
 
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Hi Pansit,

1. David Brooks is not really a conservative. I think he falls more under the blue bloods whom use to run the rebublican party before Regan / Goldwater. I think if you asked National Review or the weekly standard, they would have a similar opinion on Brooks.

2. It is a pitty to see the vitriol thrown at Sarah Palin and the absolute baseless garbage such as she burned books, charged for rape kits, Trig is her daughter's child, etc. While you may disagree with her experience and vision for America, you can not deny that she is a woman who has truly made it on her own. Good for her.

As for the election I think you can tell I will vote for McCain because he will do less damage to the country.

Glad to see that this conversation is still civil, much better than mud throwing. Have a great weekend!

Gold
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David Brook is a conservative but he and George Will are a dying sect of intellectual conservatives. Sadly, the republican party is becoming a party of anti-intellectualism. Not that this applies to you.
But the President Bush barely made it out of Yale and Mccain graduated second to last from his class. These are the leaders of the republican party and it says something about the party.Mccain and other republican leaders have denounced both men as "Georgetown faculty lounge" .As if there is something wrong with going to Georgetown University or gaining an elite education.
 
Not a big fan of socialism...so I'm definitely voting for McCain. Never a question in my mind.
 
andexterouss said:
David Brook is a conservative but he and George Will are a dying sect of intellectual conservatives. Sadly, the republican party is becoming a party of anti-intellectualism. Not that this applies to you.
But the President Bush barely made it out of Yale and Mccain graduated second to last from his class. These are the leaders of the republican party and it says something about the party.Mccain and other republican leaders have denounced both men as "Georgetown faculty lounge" .As if there is something wrong with going to Georgetown University or gaining an elite education.
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President Bush had a higher class rank than the "intelligent" John Kerry.
 
DannMann99 said:
McCain all the way.

Liberals are FOR killing babies, and AGAINST killing murders... does anyone see what's wrong with that?

Also, I am against universal healthcare. It's a great idea, but honestly... Going to PCP visits would be easy enough for everyone, waiting in line for a specialist is completely bogus though. Imagine having a parent who had had decent healthcare all their life, die from having to wait to see a surgeon, cardiologist, or whathaveyou.

Also, if you talk to alot of obama supporters they are on the bandwagon and are frontrunners. A good friend of mine told me: 'you know, at this point im going to vote for obama. but its sad because i honestly have no reason to, I just dont know why"

I feel like that's alot of people.


Thirdly I am republican because if a friend asks me for $ i'd gladly lend it to them knowing that I know them and that that money will help them, and if they are ever in a position they will repay it if they can... Thats fine in my book...
Socialized programs give my money to people I never know or met, who may or may not use it to help themselves, and i'll never see a dime of that money back even if they do get back on their feet.

I'm all for helping my friends, but helping people who will never be able to or want to thank me is something else.

In summary.
1)I like babies
2)I don't like murderers
3)I dont want upstanding citizens to die waiting while 'everyone' has healthcare (like the gov. can make it a decent program anyway?)
4)I don't like mailing my money to strangers
5)Obama has as much experience as Palin...
6)Obama seems shady...
7)Ontop of that a year or 2 ago McCain was listed as the candidate for change!, he was the republican who went against the grain and followed his own rules. He has a HISTORY, and was called a maverick. (Now the liberal media really underplays that huh... what happened?)
8)It's about time we got a black in the whitehouse, but it's also about time we got a Mc. (rep. it if you're irish!)
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WTF.....is this for real

Okay I'm for equality, helping the needy, freedom of choice and saving the environment. What scares me is if a Republican wins the white house the supreme court will become very conservative, I believe religion is becoming to interwined with politics and its scary.

I've lost a lot of respect for McCain, he used to be one of my fav. Senators but somehow he has become so conservative. He's become a sell out to me, not a maverick. Also what the hell is up with that woman

I think being from New York I forget how conservative the rest of the country is and its scary... Go Obama-Biden
 
I'm voting for ...

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Huh?Did you even read Obama health care plan ?I couldn't bring myself to read the rest of your diatribe but I wanna address this little nugget. The Obama health care only LOWERS the premium we pay for health care coverage(for those employed) and makes it more affordable to those not covered(unemployed or self-employed). Hospitals and insurance companies will still be in the hands of private entities and will conduct their business as usual. Ergo, non-socialized.
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I love liberals.

So obama is going to LOWER the premium we pay for coverage for those employed... and make it MORE AFFORDABLE to those not covered.

Where will this magical money come from? Honestly. Lower healthcare and raise taxes? That means 2 things. As healthcare workers not only will the gov be fighting to PAY US LESS; but ontop of that WE WILL END UP PAYING MORE TAXES?

How much bull**** is that, pay me less and make me pay the gov. more for all those people who don't work.

Ill say it again, I don't mind helping people. I do mind helping faceless strangers who want nothing more then to take the money I give the government.

Liberals are so jaded.

I in all honesty wasnt going to vote because it would be a hassle for me where I live. But thanks to your response I will absolutely put anything on hold to cancel out your liberal vote.

Congrats!


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I still don't understand why all the republican supporters believe senator Obama to be a socialist. To want the best for the for those who can't afford it in my opinion follows a similar methodology found in the Hippocratic/Osteopathic oath which underlines equality, not socialism. His health care plan is universal, not socialized, an unmistakable difference in the funding/implementation. Socialized health care is run by a centralized single payer system (usually government, but this can vary as well), while universal Health care can be a combination of both government regulated and privatized insurance, similar to what we have now.

Anyway, good stuff everyone, keep it up!
 
DannMann99 said:
I love liberals.

So obama is going to LOWER the premium we pay for coverage for those employed... and make it MORE AFFORDABLE to those not covered.

Where will this magical money come from? Honestly. Lower healthcare and raise taxes? That means 2 things. As healthcare workers not only will the gov be fighting to PAY US LESS; but ontop of that WE WILL END UP PAYING MORE TAXES?
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Money saved from ending the war($10 billion/month), tax increases on the top 5% of the population(actually the same taxes they were during the "boom" Clinton years) and no more tax breaks for the oil companies. That cover should it and leave change for other socialist programs such as funding your RESIDENCY training.You remember that evil socialist Medicare program right?Part of it's fund goes to training you. You can always decide to drop out and train for free.
 
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Top 10 reasons to not vote obama.

1. He supports infanticide, literally! (look it up)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xkT_W5l9-k)

2. His spiritual mentor for 20 years has been Jeremiah Wright whom Obama personally chose out of many Chicago pastors. It strains credibility that he didn’t know about Wright’s views. He listened to tapes of Rev. Wright when he was at Harvard Law! So why did he choose him and stick with him for so long? The only possible explanation is that he approved of Wright’s tirades.

3. He is a close friend of William Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn, unrepentant Weather Underground terrorists. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_(organization))

4. He is a target for assassination, not because he is black but because he is a Muslim apostate, according to devout Muslims around the world. Therefore, he cannot be a good Chief Diplomat to the Middle East. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12luttwak.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)

5. He was mentored by a communist. (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor)

6. His economic plan will harm the US economy and create more fiscal irresponsibility with the Congressional Budget. Why do we want to return to the days of Jimmy Carter?

7. He is in favor of unilateral disarmament, leaving America defenseless against its enemies.

8. He is unaccomplished. He hasn’t really done anything of worth relative to the office of the US presidency. He’s only been in the Senate for about two years (assumed in office Jan of 2005 and announced his candidacy for the presidency in Feb 2007). One can’t be simultaneously a full-time senator and a full-time presidential candidate. Soon he will have campaigned for almost as long as he has been in the Senate. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZTo0iGc_Dw)

9. He is willing to personally meet with hostile dictators like Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinejad with no preconditions. They don’t deserve such a privilege of meeting the President of the USA. Reagan negotiated from a position of strength, when he thought he could gain something. What does Obama hope to gain?

10. Three other people: Tony Rezko, Eric Holder, Jim Johnson. Why does Obama associate with such shady characters?
(http://townhall.com/columnists/GuyBenson/2008/06/08/obama_and_the_convicted_felon)

(http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obamas-new-advisor-stained-by-clinton-pardon-scandal/)

(http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OWEyN2JhNjU0MTk1ZmNmNzBiMWJkMmY2NTZjY2VjNzI=)
 
andexterouss said:
Money saved from ending the war($10 billion/month), tax increases on the top 5% of the population(actually the same taxes they were during the "boom" Clinton years) and no more tax breaks for the oil companies. That cover should it and leave change for other socialist programs such as funding your RESIDENCY training.You remember that evil socialist Medicare program right?Part of it's fund goes to training you. You can always decide to drop out and train for free.
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The war put us in debt... its not like once we 'quit the war' money will be everywhere... i dont know where you live but im sorry.

They can tax the top 5% all they want. Its the top 5% that have the most loopholes and highest payed attorneys and accountants. Its that HUGE middle class that will always cover the MAJORITY of taxes.

It has been noted time and time again that the clinton years economy was turning to recession at the end of his term.

I still am not sure how that will cover it. But that was a good try.

No 2 ways about it residency is a socialized form of education. On a lighter note though as resident physicians we are working and learning. for as much as a schoolteacher makes. Getting paid 35k to be a physician... somehow I feel like that separates us from the people on welfare who do nothing and (granted) get paid less. Maybe that's just me though. I tend to be 'sensible'
 
DannMann99 said:
They can tax the top 5% all they want. Its the top 5% that have the most loopholes and highest payed attorneys and accountants. Its that HUGE middle class that will always cover the MAJORITY of taxes.
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It is ironic that you mention this, Obama plans to relieve the middle class of taxes and continue to tax those with the income levels of $250,000 a year and up. I believe McCain would like to leave all taxes the way they currently are and even increase tax credits (loop holes, created by the Bush administration) in hopes that that will pull us out of the economic downfall.
 
DannMann99 said:
They can tax the top 5% all they want. Its the top 5% that have the most loopholes and highest payed attorneys and accountants. Its that HUGE middle class that will always cover the MAJORITY of taxes.

It has been noted time and time again that the clinton years economy was turning to recession at the end of his term.

I still am not sure how that will cover it. But that was a good try.
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You mean the recession that started 4 years after Bush took office?

DannMann99 said:
No 2 ways about it residency is a socialized form of education. On a lighter note though as resident physicians we are working and learning. for as much as a schoolteacher makes. Getting paid 35k to be a physician... somehow I feel like that separates us from the people on welfare who do nothing and (granted) get paid less. Maybe that's just me though. I tend to be 'sensible'
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So now there is an hierarchy of socialism? Welfare socialism (bad). Residency socialism(good). Ok Dann you getting somewhere.....
 
andexterouss said:
David Brook is a conservative but he and George Will are a dying sect of intellectual conservatives. Sadly, the republican party is becoming a party of anti-intellectualism. Not that this applies to you.
But the President Bush barely made it out of Yale and Mccain graduated second to last from his class. These are the leaders of the republican party and it says something about the party.Mccain and other republican leaders have denounced both men as "Georgetown faculty lounge" .As if there is something wrong with going to Georgetown University or gaining an elite education.
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I would still disagree with you on Mr Brooks. I think he looks down upon the conservatives unfortunately. Hence my comment about him coming from the Rockefeller side of the party. George is more conservative in though and a great writer but for a true conservative voice I would recommend Charles Krauthammer the late William Buckley.
As for intellectualism I wouldn't worry, organizations such as the Heritage Foundation and National Review are keeping it alive and straight. I believe what you are seeing is a rejection of the education given by such institutions as Harvard or Yale. Buckley's work "God & Man at Yale" while dated lays out many of the flaws with academia as seen by the right. I will warn you, if you try to read it keep an unabridged dictionary close at hand, he loved words. You may not appreciate his point of view but he certainly was an intellect.
Now I will never be confused with being a big fan of McCain (I did not vote for him in the primaries) I will give him for credit for a few things such as serving in the military, REFUSING TO BE RELEASED EARLY AS A POW, adopting an orphan and his kids have served in Iraq. As for being at the bottom of his class, they normally don't let idiots into Annapolis just as they don't allow idiots into Harvard.

Have a great weekend
 
So I have a couple things to mention here:

1) Ending the war completely may save us money, however that's not what would happen if either candidate were elected. Both understand that continuing efforts to curtail and ultimately stop terrorist operations and proliferation is essential to our national security. Taxes, education, and healthcare are all moot points if war is being fought on our soil, and we're living in a constant state of fear.

2) Right now the wealthiest 1% pay between 95% and 100% of the tax burden. The wealthy invest in small and large businesses, start companies, and ultimately create jobs, which = good economy. An equal tax % across the whole spectrum of incomes is fair and sensible. If you disagree, read the first sentence of point #2.

3) The economy under Clinton was up and down. When Bush took office, the economy was poor...ask any economist. We know that it takes some time for economic policies to take effect. If this is the case, Clinton's policies were absorbed by the economy towards the end of his 8 years, when things were declining.

4) The post below is entirely incorrect, so the post in reference to it no longer has credibility.

Originally Posted by DannMann99
Its that HUGE middle class that will always cover the MAJORITY of taxes.
 
There was no recession 4 years after Bush took office. Look up the definition of a recession and then go to the bls site and tell me when the last one was. I'm not sure if half the people in the media know what the definiton is because we're frequently asked "gosh, have we entered a recession?...maybe the country is in recession." It's pretty black and white.
 
steveo26 said:
2) Right now the wealthiest 1% pay between 95% and 100% of the tax burden. The wealthy invest in small and large businesses, start companies, and ultimately create jobs, which = good economy. An equal tax % across the whole spectrum of incomes is fair and sensible. If you disagree, read the first sentence of point #2.
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Bush came to power with that exact same talking point and it hasn't worked. People got wealthier(wall street) in this country but it never trickled down. Instead, unemployment increased ,wages remained stagnant and national debt grew.


steveo26 said:
The economy under Clinton was up and down. When Bush took office, the economy was poor...ask any economist. We know that it takes some time for economic policies to take effect. If this is the case, Clinton's policies were absorbed by the economy towards the end of his 8 years, when things were declining.
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Really? How do you define poor? Didn't Clinton leave a surplus behind? Do Presidents leave behind a surplus in a poor economy? Was the nation's unemployment 6.1%? Did the Dow drop 800 points? Was the national debt 10 trillion dollars? I wanna know how these economists define "poor" because if the Clinton economic exit was categorized as "poor", I wonder what they are gonna think of this economy now.
 
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steveo26 said:
4) The post below is entirely incorrect, so the post in reference to it no longer has credibility.

Originally Posted by DannMann99
Its that HUGE middle class that will always cover the MAJORITY of taxes.
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According to the National Taxpayers Union, http://www.ntu.org/main/page.php?PageID=6, the top 1% paid a much smaller percentage than the top 50% of income levels. So, I think it is completely valid. But I am not an economist.
 
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McCain.

Obama will destroy the last vestiges of what this country was supposed to be about, a small national government with the maximum amount of personal liberty afforded to the individual citizen.

Also, if you want to see how well universal health care will work, take a long look at Massachusetts.
 
Bill_Brasky said:
Obama will destroy the last vestiges of what this country was supposed to be about, a small national government with the maximum amount of personal liberty afforded to the individual citizen.
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How do you support this claim? Or is it just your opinion? Any evidence?
 
Most of you would do well to read the article linked below regarding taxes and myths about Bush's tax cuts (and taxes in general). The author cites info from the Congressional Budget Office and the IRS so it isn't like he's pulling numbers out of his ass, like some people here seem to be.

http://www.heritage.org/research/taxes/bg2001.cfm

BTW, I'm voting against Obama. Take that as you will. It would sure be nice to have a candidate that I was actually excited about come out of the GOP for once.

Oh, and for people (posting or just reading) that call "W" a "fiscal conservative"? What a laugh.
 
Also, if you want to see how well universal health care will work, take a long look at Massachusetts.
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i'm curious. what happened in massachusetts
 
DannMann99 said:
i'm curious. what happened in massachusetts
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Well let me put it this way. Your fellow republican, Mitt Romney, signed the universal health care law that mandates every one in the state to buy health insurance else they face a fine.He was the governor of Massachusetts at the time. Can you imagine that damn socialist conservative republican was almost the VP nominee? :laugh:

Republicans should clean their own house first before pointing fingers.
 
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