Why are DOs good doctors? (The NAKED Truth)

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Okay, premeds, I've got a question (and an answer) for you. Many of you are forever mentioning the almost universal fact that the GPA and MCAT scores of our students are inferior to our MD colleagues. So here is the question: why are DOs good doctors? Think about this question seriously. Why don't we have a two tiered medical system whereby there are MDs with their immaculate academic backgrounds practicing stellar medicine, and a lower tier with DOs who have less-than-stellar academic backgrounds practicing as poor quality physicians that no patient wants to see.

If academic performance is any indicator of intelligence and potential, why doesn't this two tiered system exist? Now, some premeds argue that it DOES, in fact, exist -- but only in their mind. To date there has been no studies demonstrating that DOs are involved in more litigation, are more prone to making medical errors, or otherwise practice poorer quality medicine. If such a trend was even suggested at any point in history, there is little doubt in my mind that an insurance company or public health organization would have published such data thus exposing osteopathic medicine as a lesser system and, perhaps, as a danger to the general welfare of the population. I have little doubt that such a publication would cause such a public outcry that it would spell the end for osteopathic medicine as we know it. And probably rightfully so.

But this hasn't happened. And I ask you, why hasn't it? Again, if academic performance is any indicator of intelligence and potential then why don't MD schools produce doctors that are so clearly superior to DOs that DOs would be either run out of business or otherwise professionally restricted by governing bodies? Why aren't there stories of DOs whose practices failed because no patients would seek their care. Why, instead, do DOs and MDs practice as legal and professional equals?

I'll tell you. Here is the answer, and many of you premed types are not going to like it.

The answer: Medicine is easy. Sorry folks, but it is true. I know we all love the admiration that our families and patients give us just because we are physicians. I know we all love the extremely large, intimidating books that sit on our shelves. But truthfully, from someone who has been to both graduate school and to medical school I can honestly say that medicine is, in fact, rather easy.

In medical school, no matter where you go, you get watered down courses. That's right, you get a watered down version of biochemistry which they rename medical biochemistry. The class should be renamed, "Here's an overview of what some biochemists have figured out, but don't worry you will never really utilize very much from this class." The same goes for microbiology, physiology, and many of the other courses in medical school. There are entire doctoral programs in biochemistry... entire programs in physiology, and so on. Folks, these are the tough programs. These are programs that demand intellectual processes beyond the ability to merely memorize esoteric facts.

So in conclusion, DOs are good doctors because medicine is fairly easy to teach and equally as easy to learn, when compared to other disciplines. All you need is a few PhDs who can teach some introductory courses, a few physicians who can give overviews of the different diseases of each body system, and a few hospitals which will allow students to spend time getting some practical experience.

I think most medical school graduates, on some level (conscious or not), have thought this at some point. Yes, we all lost sleep and worked long hours. The process was physically demanding... but intellectually? Not really. All we did was memorize and practice techniques over and over until we mastered them. We were never pushed to produce original thoughts and ideas. All in all, looking back, medical school wasn't very difficult. In fact, just about anyone could do it and emerge as a pretty good doctor, if they had the desire. Sure, some may get there faster than others, but with enough desire and discipline everyone gets to the goal line.

And that, my friends, is why DOs are good doctors. Simply, medicine is easy. When we, DOs and MDs, all stand at the other end of medical school wearing our long coats and our new titles, we all realize this fact on some level. And we recognize that we've all turned out pretty darn good, whether we admit it pubically or not.

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Sad but true, this ain't nothing more than glorified trade school. I am finding the experience to be a little disappointing actually. Med school really is not intellectually challenging, though it is demanding in other regards.
 
I agree 100% with everything you said. Success in medical school is a function of WORK ETHIC and not INTELLIGENCE. I hated my first two years of medical school. Hated it. Why? Because it was 100% work, with no intellectual stimulation at all. You spent hours upon sleepless hours doing rote memorization. Memorization of things that have almost no bearing on the actual practice of medicine.

I found college to be very intellectually challenging. Medical school, I just found to be challenging. Being a good first and second year medical student is analagous to being a good Jeoprady contestant. Those people don't have to be smart, they just have to spend countless hours memorizing drivel.

What I've learned so far, half-way through my third-year, is that the practice of medicine has almost nothing to do with the first two years of medical school, with the MCAT, with college...the practice of medicine has almost no relationship to the 6 years leading up to this point!

In fact, I would contend that you could take any motivated individual with decent intelligenece...make them an MS-III, and I bet they'd do just fine. Seriously, take someone right off the street who has a strong work ethic, and you could probably substitute them in as an MS-III and you'd never notice the difference.

Medicine doesn't require a whole lot of smarts. Rather, medicine just requires that you jump through a whole bunch of hoops.
 
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to some degree i agree with teufelhunden... but i an aspiring doctor and a somewhat intellectual person do disagree to a point that a person straight off the street could serve as a MSIII... now if that person was a RN or LPN I might be able to see that easily... but whether the first two years are rote memorization or not, you still were aquainted with medical term and specifics that someone without that knowledge would NEED.

i see what you are saying... but i personally think the reason to become a doctor has nothing to do with intellectual capacity but rather emotional compassionate capacity...

just my 2 cents

DrDad
 
damn right it's easy. a monkey could do my job- i went from zero to comatose patients in six weeks, and i'm not that smart at all. maybe knowing deep down that they really aren't nearly as intelligent as they would like to be is what makes so many of them that arrogent on the outside. it's tough convincing everyone how great you are when you don't believe it, so you have to try that much harder.
 
Sawbones,

I wish you would have posted this in pro-allo. Those are the folks that really need this perspective!
 
Originally posted by Elysium
Sawbones,

I wish you would have posted this in pro-allo. Those are the folks that really need this perspective!
True that Elysium. I'm actually agreeing with you on something!!! 😱

Hey Sawbones,
I found your post to be both informative and interesting. I never knew that medicine was that easy as you put it. Thank you for your insight.
 
Funny you should post this...just the other day a buddy of mine asked me why i'm going to medical school and i said "cuz it's the easiest thing i can think of"

🙄 :wow: :scared: :laugh:
 
just like my cousin told me (who is now a 1st year pediatric resident in Chicago) :

"The hardest thing about medical school is GETTING IN!!!!"

Anyone with half a brain and HARD WORK can become a doctor once admitted

Now if only we can get accepted....then we are all set :clap:
 
I will agree about the depth of material being no where near graduate level, but for people like me who hardly had any upper level science classes in undergrad...whew, thank God! It's mainly the mass of material that kills everyone; trying to find a balance of anatomy, biochem, histo, embryo, opp, clinical skills, significant other, children, self, God, family, etc...

I will say as far as creative thought, I think that the Philosophy of Ostoepathy in general, if taken serious, challenges us to think creatively. I think that's why Still didn't teach techniques but principles. We have a principles based system of OPP at PCSOM (we learn techniques as well) but it has allowed me to think creatively and develop new techniques of my own to correct Somatic Dysfunction and find the Health in patients.
 
Total Credit Hours: 81 (First Year) 89.5 (Second Year)

Yes, med school isn't all that intellectually demanding if you've gotten through the rigors of premed and mcat prep, but I don't think it's fair to tell these pre-meds that going from 13-20 to 40.5 credit hours in a semester is an easy task.

It takes more than half a brain to get in. 🙂
It takes even more to play the balancing act.

If it was easy, you're brain wouldn't be hurting, you'd be 10 lbs lighter and your skin would resemble fine porcelain.
 
Your question/answer makes no sense to me. You first as why are DO's good doctors, you then answer it "because its easy". Just because something is easy does not mean that you are good at it. There are good doctors and there are bad doctors, independent of the fact that medical school is easy.

Medicine is easy? Do you mean medical school? Relating with pateints? Performing open heart surgury? problem solving skills to form a diagnosis? I don't think I would trust some of my friends or family to touch me!

Yes medicine is easy compared to the majority of other careers such as teaching, dentistry, garbage man, dog groomer, gas pumper, etc... but I am getting into medicine, not because its hard and I will earn respect, but its the fact that I will enjoy my life for the next 45 years.

Just my thoughts
 
calmado mijo😛 🙄
 
material quality, no, not too difficult
material quantity, yikes 😱
 
Thank God.

I honestly don't give two ****s about being intellectually challenged at this point. I want to learn what it takes to be a good doctor. That is a huge piece in the puzzle of what I believe to be "my perfect life."

I really feel that it would be considerably harder to be an entrepreneur opening an expensive restaurant. I couldn't imagine the stress that one must go through taking out a business loan for severall hundred thousand dollars, knowing that there is pretty much a 90% chance that their business will fail within 5 years.

Sure, med school puts you in debt, but you pretty much know that if you stick with it, you'll be making enough $ some day to pay off that debt.

(My response may be different if I hadn't just studied physics for the past 3 hours.)

-NS
 
The science of medicine is easy enough. We memorize what we're told, and we promptly forget what we won't need.

This is not an easy job, after you graduate and start residency. You will toil about the fate of your patients. You will second guess yourself. You will make mistakes. You will cause suffering, and alleviate suffering (hopefully more of the latter).

The practice of medicine is a very rewarding, but oftentimes difficult job. Medical school for me wasn't as challenging as graduate school; however, a bad day as a scientist may mean not getting a grant, or screwing up an experiment. A bad day as a physician may mean you missed a diagnosis. Or you watched helplessly as someone died, as nature took its course.

Don't kid yourself that this is easy. I know you're just starting out, but if you want something easy, you should look into other, more financially rewarding, professions. This one is tough.
 
I think a little 🙄 is in order.

If I may paraphrase Sawbones' post:

"D.O.s are intelectually inferior to their allopathic counterparts, but it doesn't matter since learning medicine is so easy--in fact, any bonehead (no pun intended) can do it well."

I see where you're coming from, but I respectfully disagree.

1. The average stats for a DO student are slightly lower than the average stats for an MD student. Big deal. The gap isn't that enormous. We're all on the right side of the bell curve. DO schools aren't exactly letting any Joe Schmoe in their doors, and an MCAT score and/or GPA aren't the end-all-be-all of intelligence measures.

2. "Easy" is a relative term. First of all, the memorization isn't exactly a cake walk. Maybe it's "easy" for you, but then you're probably above average intelligence. Most people wouldn't think it's so easy. Second, there is more to medicine than just memorization (I would hope that my physician can think for himself). There are the sleepless nights, the sacrifice of your own health, family, emotions, etc. I wouldn't call that "easy."

3. Get a little self-respect, man. I'm going to school because medicine, in my opinion, is the best job in the world. Getting here is an accomplishment, and going through with it is an accomplishment. We should be proud of that. True, it doesn't take someone with a 160 IQ to do it, but it takes a special person. A good physician needs more qualities than just good grades, and not everyone has what it takes. There are plenty of opportunities to be intellectually stimulated in medicine! I guess it depends on what your goals are.

I do agree that the intelligence level of the average medical student/physician is overrated. So, maybe most people "could" do it, that doesn't mean that most people would be good at it. There are enough bad doctors (yes, even DOs) out there to prove that!

Me tired 😳
 
Originally posted by Elysium
Sawbones,

I wish you would have posted this in pro-allo. Those are the folks that really need this perspective!

I have to agree with Elysium. Our MD counterparts need to be aware of this.
 
Originally posted by PimplePopperMD
The science of medicine is easy enough. We memorize what we're told, and we promptly forget what we won't need.

This is not an easy job, after you graduate and start residency. You will toil about the fate of your patients. You will second guess yourself. You will make mistakes. You will cause suffering, and alleviate suffering (hopefully more of the latter).

The practice of medicine is a very rewarding, but oftentimes difficult job. Medical school for me wasn't as challenging as graduate school; however, a bad day as a scientist may mean not getting a grant, or screwing up an experiment. A bad day as a physician may mean you missed a diagnosis. Or you watched helplessly as someone died, as nature took its course.

Don't kid yourself that this is easy. I know you're just starting out, but if you want something easy, you should look into other, more financially rewarding, professions. This one is tough.

I think this post sums it up well.
 
QUOTE] Originally posted by The Engineer
I have to agree with Elysium. Our MD counterparts need to be aware of this. [/QUOTE]

I disagree, if you go around shoveling this into the allopaths thread
i doubt it would significantly change any of there minds, plus it screams insecurity.

And as long as im posting, I also disagree w/ sawbones. Medicine is not easy, maybe for us but im assuming that we are all above average intelligence. Sure maybe med school isnt all about depth but it sure as hell is all about volume and ill argue that processing that much information requires not only hard work but a certain amount of "brain power".

I think we get a distorted view because, like attracts like and most of the people we interact with are also fairly smart. However if you ever have the delight to work in an underprivileged community or even just think about the people youve interacted w/ in a non-academic setting, you will notice that the majority of them wouldnt be able to touch medicine with a candle.
 
posting that in the allo forum is gonna start another MD vs. DO thread...and we've all seen quite enough of those. a lot of pre-MDs and MD students are cocky and that's just the fact of life. a lot of DO students are freakin' stuck up too...just depends on the person.

medicine isn't easy but i think dr. bones was trying to say it was easier than what society has delineated it to be.
 
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