Why are pre-meds/med students so arrogant about being slightly intelligent?

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Disturbia said:
I'm currently an undergraduate at the University of California and many of the pre-med students I've come across are horrendously arrogant. They make jokes about the business majors being stupid and the liberal arts majors wasting their time. They carry the most arrogant expressions and often treat other students as dirt. They always complain about how much time they have to spend studying for their courses and are sure to carry their organic chemistry textbook around in their hand rather than their backpack so everyone can see they're pre-med.

I'm not really sure how they've come to be so arrogant, though. If they were really intelligent, wouldn't they be aiming for a PhD in quantitative finance at Yale where they would set themselves up for a career on Wall Street? But of course, none of these mediocre students have nearly the quantitative skills to make it in high finance. These aren't kids with perfect SAT scores or photographic memories we're dealing with. These are you just your average joe-bloe biology majors who thinks that getting an A- in organic chemistry at podunk state university warrants a sense of superiority over everyone else. Does anyone else find this odd? After all, with over 140 med-schools in the country, getting into one really can't be all that difficult, so where does this sense of superiority come from?
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Most of the kids that go to undergrad at the UCs are products of one of the worst K-12 education systems in the country. Dont take it personal when they act like douchebags, its pretty much all they learn in high school aside from getting high. Im from CA but did not apply to the UCs and in retrospect THANK GOODNESS I didn't.
 
What is OP's stats?! My father is a financial advisor --and it isn't all it is cracked up to be. He has told me if you can't get into a top 10 MBA school it probably isn't even worth it in this day in age. (He went to a top 5 MBA program btw). With medicine if you go to any US allopathic school you are set--and will be a physician! With being a physician comes stable employment, and a guaranteed six figure salary. A lot of people who try to break into the Wall Street scene don't make it, and end up sitting at home trying to come up with something else. Thinking you are going to break into investment banking and make millions is similar to the thought you will be a pro athlete when you are in your teens--the chances are LOW! With medicine you are guaranteed a certain level of income and stable employment. What kills me is pre-meds that get weeded and then try to justify how switching to business was the best decision they ever made; guess what? These people won't be making it into any top MBA programs, and OP it seems as if you're a troll anyways..
 
YankeeBean said:
You know, because principal investigators don't confer their expertise unto the postdocs that they spend years training to continue on similar research....

.....idiot.
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Why do people keep providing responses like this? I was simply providing a thought experiment and you guys are purposely pointing out loopholes in it while intentionally misinterpreting the larger point I was trying to make.

The point is that there is an ingenuity and creativity that goes into the medical research process. For example, say that a researcher on the cure for Breast Cancer suddenly had an inspiration for his research that he would not have had time to record in any of his notes. Then he dies before he has the chance to record this inspiration in a manner which would allow another person to resume his place and develop the cure he would have discovered. A researcher such as this could not be replaced.

Now go back to the heart surgeon. The heart surgeon dies, but another one could just step right into his shoes. Why? Because medicine is a mechanical profession. A doctor sees a problem, provides the right medication or treatment, and fixes it. There's no ingenuity or creativity that goes on in this profession. Anyone with the right training can do it. That's where the "mechanic for the human body" metaphor comes from. Its similar to the way in which an auto-mechanic fixes cars.
 
Disturbia said:
Why do people keep providing responses like this? I was simply providing a thought experiment and you guys are purposely pointing out loopholes in it while intentionally misinterpreting the larger point I was trying to make.

The point is that there is an ingenuity and creativity that goes into the medical research process. For example, say that a researcher on the cure for Breast Cancer suddenly had an inspiration for his research that he would not have had time to record in any of his notes. Then he dies before he has the chance to record this inspiration in a manner which would allow another person to resume his place and develop the cure he would have discovered. A researcher such as this could not be replaced.

Now go back to the heart surgeon. The heart surgeon dies, but another one could just step right into his shoes. Why? Because medicine is a mechanical profession. A doctor sees a problem, provides the right medication or treatment, and fixes it. There's no ingenuity or creativity that goes on in this profession. Anyone with the right training can do it. That's where the "mechanic for the human body" metaphor comes from. Its similar to the way in which an auto-mechanic fixes cars.
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There is nothing to "intentionally misinterpret", because you are a child. The hypothetical scenarios are wildly misinformed, and this thread really should be deleted. Thank you for only quoting part of my post, and completely ignoring my insightful comments that underscore precisely how misinformed you are.

With your very own "holier than thou" attitude, you are as vilified as those you point a finger at, and with those social skills, you are probably best off working as a janitor at MIT...
 
bambam92 said:
What is OP's stats?! My father is a financial advisor --and it isn't all it is cracked up to be. He has told me if you can't get into a top 10 MBA school it probably isn't even worth it in this day in age. (He went to a top 5 MBA program btw). With medicine if you go to any US allopathic school you are set--and will be a physician! With being a physician comes stable employment, and a guaranteed six figure salary. A lot of people who try to break into the Wall Street scene don't make it, and end up sitting at home trying to come up with something else. Thinking you are going to break into investment banking and make millions is similar to the thought you will be a pro athlete when you are in your teens--the chances are LOW! With medicine you are guaranteed a certain level of income and stable employment. What kills me is pre-meds that get weeded and then try to justify how switching to business was the best decision they ever made; guess what? These people won't be making it into any top MBA programs, and OP it seems as if you're a troll anyways..
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Uh... this is the point I was making. Yes, most people don't make it in high finance, but the really intelligent people do. Think Good Will Hunting smart. Thing is, most pre-meds who think they're really intelligent wouldn't have a ghost of a chance making it in finance. Yet, within the isolated worlds of their state schools they act as if they're geniuses. Well, you're not. So please stop acting like it.

And yes, I see arrogance all the time even on this message board. See here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=14378953

or here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=1020360

You people are just as pretentious as my classmates.
 
Disturbia said:
Why do people keep providing responses like this? I was simply providing a thought experiment and you guys are purposely pointing out loopholes in it while intentionally misinterpreting the larger point I was trying to make.

The point is that there is an ingenuity and creativity that goes into the medical research process. For example, say that a researcher on the cure for Breast Cancer suddenly had an inspiration for his research that he would not have had time to record in any of his notes. Then he dies before he has the chance to record this inspiration in a manner which would allow another person to resume his place and develop the cure he would have discovered. A researcher such as this could not be replaced.

Now go back to the heart surgeon. The heart surgeon dies, but another one could just step right into his shoes. Why? Because medicine is a mechanical profession. A doctor sees a problem, provides the right medication or treatment, and fixes it. There's no ingenuity or creativity that goes on in this profession. Anyone with the right training can do it. That's where the "mechanic for the human body" metaphor comes from. Its similar to the way in which an auto-mechanic fixes cars.
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People are disagreeing with you because you pretty clearly have no idea what a surgeon does, or any other physician for that matter. Which is fine; you're an engineering student. Stop pretending you have any idea what you're talking about and people will stop disagreeing with you.
 
YankeeBean said:
There is nothing to "intentionally misinterpret", because you are a child. The hypothetical scenarios are wildly misinformed, and this thread really should be deleted. Thank you for only quoting part of my post, and completely ignoring my insightful comments that underscore precisely how misinformed you are.

With your very own "holier than thou" attitude, you are as vilified as those you point a finger at, and with those social skills, you are probably best off working as a janitor at MIT...
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This janitor at this Frito-Lay plant in Cali was responsible for the inception of this tasteful idea:
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/co...-richard-montanez-janitor-invents-hot-cheeto/

It's all about passion, seriously, OP.

And innovation.:idea: 👍
 
mcloaf said:
People are disagreeing with you because you pretty clearly have no idea what a surgeon does, or any other physician for that matter. Which is fine; you're an engineering student. Stop pretending you have any idea what you're talking about and people will stop disagreeing with you.
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Nice.

The sad thing is, Disturbia is probably the next Seung-Hui Cho.
 
YankeeBean said:
Nice.

The sad thing is, Disturbia is probably the next Seung-Hui Cho.
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Nah... more like the next Rihanna.
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Disturbia said:
Why do people keep providing responses like this? I was simply providing a thought experiment and you guys are purposely pointing out loopholes in it while intentionally misinterpreting the larger point I was trying to make.

The point is that there is an ingenuity and creativity that goes into the medical research process. For example, say that a researcher on the cure for Breast Cancer suddenly had an inspiration for his research that he would not have had time to record in any of his notes. Then he dies before he has the chance to record this inspiration in a manner which would allow another person to resume his place and develop the cure he would have discovered. A researcher such as this could not be replaced.

Now go back to the heart surgeon. The heart surgeon dies, but another one could just step right into his shoes. Why? Because medicine is a mechanical profession. A doctor sees a problem, provides the right medication or treatment, and fixes it. There's no ingenuity or creativity that goes on in this profession. Anyone with the right training can do it. That's where the "mechanic for the human body" metaphor comes from. Its similar to the way in which an auto-mechanic fixes cars.
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If this is your criterion for choosing a meaningful profession, great! Go research.

It's a GOOD THING that some people are drawn to medicine, some are drawn to medical research, some are drawn to engineering, etc. Every one of those roles is necessary. Sure, there will be another heart surgeon to step up to the plate, but there will also be another researcher to spend the next 10 years studying a particular pathway. It is very rare to be irreplaceable in any profession, including scientific research. The number of discoveries and techniques developed simultaneously in 2 or more different labs is evidence of this. (Here's an article by Malcolm Gladwell for an interesting discussion of this phenomenon: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/05/12/080512fa_fact_gladwell/?currentPage=all)

You're right to point out that many pre-meds (and college students in general) are arrogant, particularly considering what they've accomplished thus far in life. Forgive me if I'm making unfair assumptions about you, but have you done anything especially remarkable or important? Because this thread isn't exactly the Litany of Humility.
 
Disturbia said:
Yes, most people don't make it in high finance, but the really intelligent people do.
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Intelligence isn't everything, especially not in the business world. There are other factors that govern success.

I still fail to understand why you think an extremely intelligent individual would not choose medicine as a career path? Because they could make a "bigger world impact" in another profession? Because they could make more money in another profession? How do you know all extremely intelligent people want to make a big impact and/or make lots of money?

Careers choose us, it's not the other way around. The ultimate goal in life is happiness - people achieve this end through different means, no one is the same, not even geniuses.

You said yourself you do not claim to be a genius, so how could you possibly know their thought processes or what they aim to do in life?
 
Disturbia said:
Uh... this is the point I was making. Yes, most people don't make it in high finance, but the really intelligent people do. Think Good Will Hunting smart. Thing is, most pre-meds who think they're really intelligent wouldn't have a ghost of a chance making it in finance. Yet, within the isolated worlds of their state schools they act as if they're geniuses. Well, you're not. So please stop acting like it.

And yes, I see arrogance all the time even on this message board. See here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=14378953

or here:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=1020360

You people are just as pretentious as my classmates.
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Poor Disturbia is seriously disturbed... A psychiatrist is my recommendation.
 
Agent B said:
Poor Disturbia is seriously disturbed... A psychiatrist is my recommendation.
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Psychiatrists are probably just going to refer him/her to a psychologist and/or set him/her up on a routine regimen.

What about clinical psychologists? I'm sure CBT is just as effective since it incorporates therapeutic methods/techniques that promote changes in beliefs and attitudes in addition to changing recurring noticeable behavior(s) present in this thread, yeah?
 
YankeeBean said:
There is nothing to "intentionally misinterpret", because you are a child. The hypothetical scenarios are wildly misinformed, and this thread really should be deleted. Thank you for only quoting part of my post, and completely ignoring my insightful comments that underscore precisely how misinformed you are.

With your very own "holier than thou" attitude, you are as vilified as those you point a finger at, and with those social skills, you are probably best off working as a janitor at MIT...
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mcloaf said:
People are disagreeing with you because you pretty clearly have no idea what a surgeon does, or any other physician for that matter. Which is fine; you're an engineering student. Stop pretending you have any idea what you're talking about and people will stop disagreeing with you.
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Ya'll realize you are feeding the troll right? He is saying inflammatory things to generate these reactions from you. That's what trolls do.
 
Koalafied said:
Psychiatrists are probably just going to refer him/her to a psychologist and/or set him/her up on a routine regimen.

What about clinical psychologists? I'm sure CBT is just as effective since it incorporates therapeutic methods/techniques that promote changes in beliefs and attitudes in addition to changing recurring noticeable behavior(s) present in this thread, yeah?
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Koalaty question.
 
BlueLabel said:
Ya'll realize you are feeding the troll right? He is saying inflammatory things to generate these reactions from you. That's what trolls do.
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Then again, there may be a possibly of getting trolled ourselves at the interview(s); a possibly, right?😀
 
Disturbia said:
Why do people keep providing responses like this? I was simply providing a thought experiment and you guys are purposely pointing out loopholes in it while intentionally misinterpreting the larger point I was trying to make.

The point is that there is an ingenuity and creativity that goes into the medical research process. For example, say that a researcher on the cure for Breast Cancer suddenly had an inspiration for his research that he would not have had time to record in any of his notes. Then he dies before he has the chance to record this inspiration in a manner which would allow another person to resume his place and develop the cure he would have discovered. A researcher such as this could not be replaced.

Now go back to the heart surgeon. The heart surgeon dies, but another one could just step right into his shoes. Why? Because medicine is a mechanical profession. A doctor sees a problem, provides the right medication or treatment, and fixes it. There's no ingenuity or creativity that goes on in this profession. Anyone with the right training can do it. That's where the "mechanic for the human body" metaphor comes from. Its similar to the way in which an auto-mechanic fixes cars.
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Lol first of all medicine saves way more lives than bankers do. All bankers do is change money around and take a cut of the profits. Doctors save lives.

Second, you probably don't have the grades to get into medical school and your inferiority complex sticks out like a sore thumb.
 
Agent B said:
Poor Disturbia is seriously disturbed... A psychiatrist is my recommendation.
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Koalafied said:
Psychiatrists are probably just going to refer him/her to a psychologist and/or set him/her up on a routine regimen.

What about clinical psychologists? I'm sure CBT is just as effective since it incorporates therapeutic methods/techniques that promote changes in beliefs and attitudes in addition to changing recurring noticeable behavior(s) present in this thread, yeah?
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I don't know what would make you think I'm disturbed. Everything I've said so far makes perfect logical sense. Just because the truth is unpleasant doesn't make it wrong.
 
Disturbia said:
I don't know what would make you think I'm disturbed. Everything I've said so far makes perfect logical sense. Just because the truth is unpleasant doesn't make it wrong.
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Yeah.... If I were you, I would request an appointment with a psychiatrist/psychologist. At the very least, you're delusional (trolling or not).
 
Disturbia said:
I don't know what would make you think I'm disturbed. Everything I've said so far makes perfect logical sense. Just because the truth is unpleasant doesn't make it wrong.
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You are not making logical sense. You just seem really mad, like you're having some personal beef with a premed at your school or you failed orgo or something, and you're talking out of your ass. It's an obvious temper tantrum.
 
THIS JUST IN: People find any possible way to feel superior over others.

MORE NEWS AT 11.
 
Disturbia said:
I don't know what would make you think I'm disturbed. Everything I've said so far makes perfect logical sense. Just because the truth is unpleasant doesn't make it wrong.
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The "truth?"😕😕😕

I apologize to disturbed tramps out there in advance.

TBH, you're beginning to make yourself appear as if you're a disturbed tramp who's yelling at a lamp post regarding plans on how to develop a time machine to travel back in time, so that you can fix an error you've made in life.
 
The Bunk said:
You are not making logical sense. You just seem really mad, like you're having some personal beef with a premed at your school or you failed orgo or something, and you're talking out of your ass. It's an obvious temper tantrum.
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Do you not understand what a troll is? Any of you people? How does this keep going and going
 
BlueLabel said:
Ya'll realize you are feeding the troll right? He is saying inflammatory things to generate these reactions from you. That's what trolls do.
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Yes, and in the process he is far less annoying and far more discussion-generating than troll-hunters making posts like this 🙄
We get it, you're clever and recognized a troll...no need to point it out; the rest of us have eyes too.
 
BlueLabel said:
Do you not understand what a troll is? Any of you people? How does this keep going and going
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Lol, yes, I know what a troll is. But I think OP is an interesting troll. If it bothers you, don't perpetuate the thread by commenting. :shrug:
 
BlueLabel said:
Do you not understand what a troll is? Any of you people? How does this keep going and going
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This keeps going because it's more entertaining than the ad nauseum "can I get into a top tier" bull**** that the rest of pre allo is. Feel free to stop clicking on the thread.
 
BlueLabel said:
Do you not understand what a troll is? Any of you people? How does this keep going and going
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You do realize later on as future-health professionals we'll have to deal with/encounter such behaviors, attitudes, and/or etc. during actual practice, right?
It's better we learn how to respond to such potential-future patients' responses and interactions now on an online forum, at the comfort of our free time, rather than during actual practice, right?
We'll become better equipped as future-health professionals later on, right?
‒In the end, practice makes perfect.👍​
It's all in the effigy of increasing empathy/sympathy for future generations alike, right?😍
mehc012 said:
Yes, and in the process he is far less annoying and far more discussion-generating than troll-hunters making posts like this 🙄
We get it, you're clever and recognized a troll...no need to point it out; the rest of us have eyes too.
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The Bunk said:
Lol, yes, I know what a troll is. But I think OP is an interesting troll. If it bothers you, don't perpetuate the thread by commenting. :shrug:
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👍
 
Because they have not yet attended medical school.
 
mehc012 said:
Yes, and in the process he is far less annoying and far more discussion-generating than troll-hunters making posts like this 🙄
We get it, you're clever and recognized a troll...no need to point it out; the rest of us have eyes too.
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Cool & Tough post. You might have it figured out but folks like the following poster:

Medstart108 said:
Lol first of all medicine saves way more lives than bankers do. All bankers do is change money around and take a cut of the profits. Doctors save lives.

Second, you probably don't have the grades to get into medical school and your inferiority complex sticks out like a sore thumb.
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are clearly continuing to take this ridiculous and inflammatory nonsense seriously. I mean, I don't really care, I just didn't realize most people on here were that dense. It's kind of surprising.
 
I'm all for making sensationalist or controversial comments and truths, but I'm going to sit this one out and watch from the stands.

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BlueLabel said:
Cool & Tough post. You might have it figured out but folks like the following poster:



are clearly continuing to take this ridiculous and inflammatory nonsense seriously. I mean, I don't really care, I just didn't realize most people on here were that dense. It's kind of surprising.
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Why do you care if they take it seriously?
Stop b!tching about the OP, you're ruining an otherwise perfectly entertaining troll thread!

Besides, engaging with a troll ≠ not recognizing one. Sometimes it's fun to participate even if you know they just want to get a reaction. :shrug:
 
BlueLabel said:
Cool & Tough post. You might have it figured out but folks like the following poster:



are clearly continuing to take this ridiculous and inflammatory nonsense seriously. I mean, I don't really care, I just didn't realize most people on here were that dense. It's kind of surprising.
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🙄
 
mehc012 said:
Why do you care if they take it seriously?
Stop b!tching about the OP, you're ruining an otherwise perfectly entertaining troll thread!

Besides, engaging with a troll ≠ not recognizing one. Sometimes it's fun to participate even if you know they just want to get a reaction. :shrug:
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Point taken.
 
GandalfTheWhite said:
I'm all for making sensationalist or controversial comments and truths, but I'm going to sit this one out and watch from the stands.

eat-popcorn-3D.gif
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Typical premed. You're probably too busy walking around with your ochem books out to post in here.

:naughty:
 
The Bunk said:
Lol, yes, I know what a troll is. But I think OP is an interesting troll. If it bothers you, don't perpetuate the thread by commenting. :shrug:
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mcloaf said:
This keeps going because it's more entertaining than the ad nauseum "can I get into a top tier" bull**** that the rest of pre allo is. Feel free to stop clicking on the thread.
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It takes a true troll master to troll a couple of user's, get them to find him interesting (sort of like stockholm syndrome), and then have them turn on the person trying to stop said trolling. So good job OP.


10/10 would read again XD
 
ToldYouSo said:
It takes a true troll master to troll a couple of user's, get them to find him interesting (sort of like stockholm syndrome), and then have them turn on the person trying to stop said trolling. So good job OP.


10/10 would read again XD
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Nah, I find ALL troll-hunters more annoying than ALL trolls. Check my post history if you don't believe me!
 
Kahreek said:
Because they have not yet attended medical school.
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This

I remember hearing the adage from a few people that in medicine, either you are humble, or you are about to be. I would guess these pre-meds will get their butt handed to them sooner or later.
 
Disturbia said:
I don't know what would make you think I'm disturbed. Everything I've said so far makes perfect logical sense. Just because the truth is unpleasant doesn't make it wrong.
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Until you've rebutted against many of the great points given in this thread already, your posts are still incorrect. You just keep repeating the same point, even though they've already been dismissed.

If this was a debate about finance, you would have lost already.
 
Disturbia said:
I don't know what would make you think I'm disturbed. Everything I've said so far makes perfect logical sense. Just because the truth is unpleasant doesn't make it wrong.
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So I got bored and read through some of this thread.

As an engineering major, it seems to me like OP is equating intelligence with the ability to get a job that "makes the most money." Obviously OP has only just started his engineering career and doesn't realize that even in engineering intelligence =/= success.

Go look at some company websites (Broadcom, etc) and you'll notice that most of the VPs/Managers/Directors are not Bill Gates types, they were just the ones lucky enough to find the seed money needed to start a company to complete a contract (i.e. the idea was contracted to them, it's not even their own). You'll notice there are multitudes of PhDs from Cal Tech, MIT, Berkeley etc working under some guy who got his BA from Pepperdine or The University of Arizona Online.

You have this idea in your head that research and engineering are about eureka moments where one man, on his own, makes a great discovery and changes all of mankind. That may have been the case at one point in time, but any work in a real company or research lab will show you that every "discovery" you see on the local news is based on years and years of grueling, back breaking research by different labs and PIs all over the world.

In terms of business and law, well you just have to be ready to be the sleaziest 😉

Also, I don't know if you knew this, but a large part of practicing medicine for many doctors is clinical research. As in, doctors actually play a large role in advancing their own field. Much in the same way that engineers advance their field through applications based on the research done by physicist/chemists.
 
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