Why CRNAs are the way of the future

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Is the ASA finally getting their act together? Is this graphic displayed to patients?
http://www.asahq.org/WhenSecondsCount/careteam.aspx
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We should post this graph in every surgical admitting area in the country, and especially at UNC. 😉
Exactly! Is this happening? Radiologists do this all the time. Why are we not protective of our turf?
 
Agreed. However I will concede that this a step in a great direction!

We should post this graph in every surgical admitting area in the country, and especially at UNC. 😉

The fact that one cannot just go to the website and easily order propaganda materials about this speaks volumes about the castrated status of the ASA.
 
All the infographics can easily be downloaded in pdf format and printed, and posted for display.
 
While most days I do my own rooms and cases, when I am the charge doctor I might supervise up to 7 CRNAs at a time. Supervision is very different than direction. There is a learning curve on how to do it, such as how to prioritize and how to delegate. You learn how to relay pertinent information that you want done a certain way, and how to decide if there are many ways that something can be done and allow the CRNA to choose the way they are most comfortable with. You must have a group of CRNAs that you trust.

Prior to the case I have foreseen and warned the CRNA about what they will likely have trouble with and how they should address it. Thus the most common emergencies I am called for are help with intubations, help with placing the spinal, help with an arterial line. But I am still called for hypotension, tachycardia, and a few other thinking problems. I have a good, but small group of CRNAs, so I know each of them well, their strong and weak suits. We try and teach them to call for help quickly, because we know things that they don't know. We only have 1 that is a bit militant (read prideful), but even she knows to come to us for help, which happens a lot more than she might believe it does.

I find it a little funny that even though they are doing 100% cases and I am supervising every 5th day (5 MDs), that I am still so much better than them at the procedures (intubations, spinals, epidurals, etc).

After practicing in this model with some pretty experienced CRNAs whom I highly trust, I would not want to give any of them independent practice. They would too often miss far too many of the big pictures and small details. There is absolutely a difference in the way we think about problems.
You liability insurance carrier is OK with you supervising 7 rooms?
 
Wow. Do patients actually see this stuff in hospitals, social media, media outlets, etc or is this just crap they posts on their website?
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A great example of where the focus needs to be.

I envision ads of the future saying something to the effect of: "Schedule your quadruple bypass at County Medical Center, where we use physician-only anesthesia!"
 
I currently work at a fairly large hospital ~500 bed in Madison WI and their anesthesia is provided solely by MDA's.

I speak to all of my patients who are going for any procedure in OR and/or having a TEE and love mentioning that we only use MDA's! Patients care who is going to be providing their anesthesia.

Why doesn't the ASA start posting these PDF's all over the internet?
 
They need to be posted all over twitter, instagram, facebook, etc. This is where most people get their trusted information nowadays.
 
Don't hold your breath for anesthesiologists to start posting this on Facebook. 😉
 
The public mostly doesn't know and mostly doesn't care who provides their anesthetic.

Surgeons and administrators mostly know the difference. They just don't want to pay up for it. They don't yet have enough cover and/or enough financial pressure or incentive to make widespread change to a solo CRNA model.
 
Most Anesthesiologists who work in a care team group are hesitant to speak up. They can't put anything on their Facebook or Twitter either. If they do, they will get crap from the CRNAs that they work with. It will ruin their work environment. They are even friends with some of them. It's not easy.


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One of my partners is married to a drug rep for a diabetes drug. She tells me that she will go and call on Nurse Practitioners who don't even understand insulin resistance. How do you become an "advanced practice nurse" in primary care and not understand insulin resistance?
I had a nurse practitioner ask if metoprolol was a good substitute for warfarin for afib.
 
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It would be embarrassing to make such a statement that CRNA school is like an anesthesiology residency. ICU experience is important FOR THE STUDENT NURSE ANESTHETIST, but it in no way = GME residency. When they do the same hours under the same guidelines and responsibility and knowledge and when they pass your board certification, maybe then they will have a leg to stand on with this. Perhaps my nurse colleagues and I are the odd balls, but we would find such a statement enormously ignorant and embarrassing. This is what we do when we hear such things: Shake our heads and :whoa:
The funny thing about ICU nursing is it doesnt actually have any relevance to the practice of medicine since it isa completely different profession. A lot of times people will tout their ICU nursing experience as an argument for equivalency
 
I had a nurse practitioner ask if metoprolol was a good substitute for warfarin for afib.

Again, an excellent example of how dangerous and uneducated these "providers" can be. And the list goes on and on and on .....
 
Yes, the ASA needs to stay vigilant and improve our overall public relations campaigns. We DO need to educate the public and stick up for ourselves and our training.

On the same token, you can't excessively worry about CRNA BS. It's a psychological cost of doing business. Keep up your skills and stay relevant, and you will find meaningful and rewarding work.
 
That video's music ...

However, I find this video far more compelling.

 
Don't hold your breath for anesthesiologists to start posting this on Facebook. 😉
My anesthesiology rotation, the MDs got along great with their CRNAs, but in private 1 on 1 convo with me (basically a stranger) they would always belly ache about them. Wouldnt want to work in a profession where you have to have all this pent up angst/anger that you have to fake yourself around with a smile and faux comradery everyday.
 
Wouldnt want to work in a profession where you have to have all this pent up angst/anger that you have to fake yourself around with a smile and faux comradery everyday.

I'm pretty sure this is what is known as "life."

Just kidding, but not really. I don't think I've ever had a job (going back to high school), where people didn't bitch about their workplace/coworkers behind their backs. Anesthesiology certainly doesn't have a patent on it.
 
My anesthesiology rotation, the MDs got along great with their CRNAs, but in private 1 on 1 convo with me (basically a stranger) they would always belly ache about them. Wouldnt want to work in a profession where you have to have all this pent up angst/anger that you have to fake yourself around with a smile and faux comradery everyday.
Then you should get out of medicine altogether, because this is the future.
 
My anesthesiology rotation, the MDs got along great with their CRNAs, but in private 1 on 1 convo with me (basically a stranger) they would always belly ache about them. Wouldnt want to work in a profession where you have to have all this pent up angst/anger that you have to fake yourself around with a smile and faux comradery everyday.

You don't think attendings say the same things about other attendings? Medicine is no different than any other work environment. People always talk **** about their coworkers.
 
You don't think attendings say the same things about other attendings? Medicine is no different than any other work environment. People always talk **** about their coworkers.

I personally talk **** about surgeons all the time, but then again I know a good surgeon when I see one. Don't hate the player, hate the game baby.
 
As a paramedic, it has always cracked me up at the level of arrogance portrayed by some ER nurses. The amount of disrespect I receive by some is laughable. Then they ask for orders to increase o2 on a NC.
 
Any other organization would be called out for their outrageous , greedy behavior. How is it that crna's don't get laughed at MORE ? Do they really have that much political pull? I find it amazing/laughable that any crna can have the stones to utter anything close to them having equivalency to physicians. Administrators are okay with their practicing at the expense of better care for patients, simply because it's cheaper? Why don't they get called out along with crna's? Its crazy that in reality, it's the physician gets the flack ( successful attempts by nurses) about "not caring" or "we spend way more time with patients!"... It's amazing that docs are seen as greedy, careless, money machines when it's actually admin and crna's who fit that bill. Didn't doctors used to have all the respect in the world? Education hasn't changed.... It's still the same level of ridiculously hard to get into and out of Med school right? So what changed? Inferior, jealous, mid levels somehow got a grip on the public and the administrators of hospitals- that is like North Korea levels of successful propaganda. If propaganda is what it will take to win back the public and gain mor political pull, then that is what needs to be done. At least you docs know the truth.
 
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